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18 Dec 18 - 02:09 AM (#3966933) Subject: concertina bellows technique From: The Sandman an interesting clip from simon thoumire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVUEhUqKEgU& |
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18 Dec 18 - 02:12 AM (#3966934) Subject: RE: concertina bellows technique From: The Sandman my comments, are there to be seen, concerning reversal of bellows |
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18 Dec 18 - 02:26 AM (#3966935) Subject: RE: concertina bellows technique From: The Sandman The downside of bellows reversal is loss of speed, which is one of the reasons why some irish anglo players, cross row to varying degrees to enable smoothing out bellows reversals,so bellows revrsals is in my experience more problematic with fast reels on the english concertina |
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18 Dec 18 - 05:02 AM (#3966952) Subject: RE: concertina bellows technique From: Jack Campin Technique is all Thoumire's got - cold and expressionless. Something I've never heard a concertina player do: bellows shake, as you can do it on an accordion. (Ex-)Soviet classical players do that with unbelievable power, it must take the strength of a weightlifter. Is there something about the design of a concertina that makes it impossible? |
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18 Dec 18 - 05:14 AM (#3966955) Subject: RE: concertina bellows technique From: The Sandman you can do it, you can also tap on the knee if you are sitting, i dont normally do either, maybe very occasionally all a question of style i suppose |
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19 Dec 18 - 12:05 AM (#3967161) Subject: RE: concertina bellows technique From: EBarnacle It creates a rather interesting effect. |
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19 Dec 18 - 05:11 AM (#3967189) Subject: RE: concertina bellows technique From: JHW Steve Turner has long used the tap on the knee to give a driving effect. I like but maybe thats just me. Rev Ken Lovelace had treble bellows (to match treble pink gin I guess) They needed almost juggling. |
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19 Dec 18 - 01:17 PM (#3967271) Subject: RE: concertina bellows technique From: GUEST Dick/Sandman, I absolutely agree concerning reversals and Anglo playing that the common difference between *most* anglo playing and *most* english playing is just THAT : When playing anglo you spontaneously get more rhythmical feeling since you HAVE to reverse bellows a lot more often. Being lazy and playing english you just pull the bellows out till it stops and push it in again until it stops. Often people forget articulation of tone and phrases completely on the route... Jack Campin, Bellows shake mostly is trickier with concertinas than with accordions since you seldom got the same stability holding the concertina between your hands and the bellows itself being 6,8, or 12 sided instead of 4-sided makes it much floppier.The technique with an accordion is keeping the lower part of the bellows closed and doing the reversals only with the top end of the bellows. There are some accordion players who facilitate this by keeping the lower bellows lock/strap closed to increase stability even more. I use that trick myself almost all the time by having elastic "cross-the-bellows-straps" to stabilize the bellows work and this makes almost all playing a lot easier since pumping is more effective and articulation of tone very much more accurate. I made some YT clips myself many years ago trying do illustrate it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np_LqPKlJko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt4YpRFxJqA&list=UUGdQYXkECYm5Gr6pHYm2EHg&index=16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8dj_CJNbF8 |
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19 Dec 18 - 02:30 PM (#3967283) Subject: RE: concertina bellows technique From: The Sandman my advice would be to take a fiddle tutor like fr orexample Matt Cranitch, and study marked bowing for slides and polkas these might need to be adapted sliohtly, i find that where three seperate bows might be marked then i would adapt by slurring three in other words changing bellows on first and after third, but by roughly following and approximation of fiddle emphasis can be achieved, more difficult on reels however. |
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19 Dec 18 - 05:24 PM (#3967319) Subject: RE: concertina bellows technique From: GUEST,.gargoyle My technique for a reed-harp" "technique" is to rest the right elbow on the right knee....the vibration provides tremello that verges on the ghostly. |