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01 Feb 19 - 03:55 PM (#3974441) Subject: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel Do we need anti gravity and what would we do with it? Since some things are intrinsically linked we might have to deal with time reversals as well, as Mr. Red warns. That would open a can of worms or even unlock Pandora's box. All I know is that if it is released, China will want it. :^/ |
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01 Feb 19 - 04:32 PM (#3974442) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: punkfolkrocker Anti gravity...??? - keep my trousers up without a tight uncomfortable belt... |
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01 Feb 19 - 04:46 PM (#3974445) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Bee-dubya-ell My main concern with anti-gravity is that its existence would allow gravity to be treated as a commodity. Some genius would figure out a way to charge us for gravity just like we're charged for electricity or water. Every month, you'd get a gravity bill and, if you didn't pay it, you'd float away. |
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01 Feb 19 - 07:30 PM (#3974477) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel good one Gravity taxes will keep you out of the cloud |
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02 Feb 19 - 03:35 AM (#3974514) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: BobL Do we need it anti-gravity? Definitely. We could all do with a laugh. |
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02 Feb 19 - 04:32 AM (#3974520) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Senoufou If there were no gravity, my body would presumably move upwards in several places, which would be a vast improvement. |
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02 Feb 19 - 09:02 PM (#3974622) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Joe_F BobL: According to G. K. Chesterton, Satan fell by force of gravity. |
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03 Feb 19 - 04:25 AM (#3974637) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Mr Red And whatever happened to Uncle Gravity? |
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03 Feb 19 - 01:03 PM (#3974687) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Nick Anti gravity? Why do people have to always be against things? Personally I'm Pro gravity. You can upgrade to this improved version of gravity by clicking here and getting the latest version. It's much better than the free version and has many features including allowing you to offer more weight to your arguments and appear more serious. Join the Gravitas today. |
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03 Feb 19 - 02:03 PM (#3974693) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: SPB-Cooperator Let's have a referendum and find out if it is the will of the people to continue having gravity or not. |
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03 Feb 19 - 02:36 PM (#3974698) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Jack Campin Levitate the Pentagon |
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03 Feb 19 - 03:18 PM (#3974704) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Dave the Gnome I have an anti gravy device. Will that do? You only need to add 'it'. |
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03 Feb 19 - 05:45 PM (#3974716) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Mr Red call me a pedant for being negative - but "against gravity" is the populist concept. Scientifically they would call it negative gravity. |
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03 Feb 19 - 09:32 PM (#3974736) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Steve Shaw All this talk is a bit beyond my orbit. Anti-gravity hardly seems the thing to keep this discussion well-grounded... |
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03 Feb 19 - 09:33 PM (#3974737) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Steve Shaw Are you happy with the way your thread has taken off, Donuel, or does it all seem to you to be a bit up in the air? |
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03 Feb 19 - 09:57 PM (#3974740) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Bill D Isaac Newton has a lot to answer for... ...but if gravity could be nullified from within and upon a device, we'd be mining the asteroids and repairing that Mars rover.... and...and.. But, since the current opinion is that gravity is not a 'thing' or 'force', but a manifestation of the effect of mass on space, I suppose it's all just sci-fi... |
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03 Feb 19 - 10:33 PM (#3974748) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Rapparee Outrun cops as a I used it to go from place to place. I assume it could be directed, if not it would make an interesting elevator. |
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03 Feb 19 - 10:55 PM (#3974749) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Bee-dubya-ell No matter how old gravity gets, it will always be attractive. |
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04 Feb 19 - 04:06 AM (#3974786) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: BobL Gravity makes the world go round (in more ways than one and yes, I do have the T-shirt) |
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04 Feb 19 - 04:27 AM (#3974791) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Steve Shaw I always find that bringing gravity into the discussion adds weight to my argument. |
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04 Feb 19 - 07:16 AM (#3974800) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Senoufou I imagine I have a low centre of gravity, having very little in my head and rather a lot on my bottom. |
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04 Feb 19 - 10:36 AM (#3974815) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Mr Red Allow me to accelerate this discussion |
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04 Feb 19 - 10:40 AM (#3974816) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Mr Red May the force be with you......... |
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04 Feb 19 - 10:42 AM (#3974817) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: gillymor My Auntie Gravity always said don't let the world weigh you down. |
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04 Feb 19 - 12:04 PM (#3974831) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Steve Shaw Apollo to Mission Control We're almost in sight of our goal But this reading of g Seems excessive to me I think we are near a black |
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04 Feb 19 - 12:11 PM (#3974833) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel We fall at 32 ft per sec per sec on Earth, on Jupiter cloud tops we fall at over 300 ft per sec...The speed of gravity moves at the speed of light/causality everywhere. Anti gravity is generated by a negative pressure in bubble regions of empty space to preserve the proportionality of energy to space and like gravity accelerates not the attraction of mass but the expansion of space. Therefore Anti gravity does not cancel or annihilate gravity. Anti gravity that would cancel gravity would require a force that would shield mass from propagating the force of its energy and mass which is either impossible or unknown. This is weighty stuff but if I get it so can Steve. |
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04 Feb 19 - 04:49 PM (#3974866) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Senoufou I am at this very minute watching Brian Cox in his programme 'Wonders of the Universe', the episode about Gravity. He's just been describing the Crab Nebula, which has released a stupendous amount of gravitational force. It could attract in and compress the entire population of the Earth into an egg-sized lump weighing trillions of tons. If it dropped on the Earth's surface it would (in his words) 'cut through it like a knife through butter'. I do so like Brian, he's down-to Earth (sorry!) and yet extremely knowledgeable - the perfect teacher. No wonder he's a University Professor! |
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04 Feb 19 - 04:53 PM (#3974868) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Big Al Whittle I'd introduce Anti Gravity to Uncle Levity. |
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04 Feb 19 - 05:34 PM (#3974874) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Senoufou I heard for the first time at the end of the programme a singer called Kate Rusby. The song was 'Falling' (very appropriate for a study of Gravity!). It was enchanting, and I found tears in my eyes. Does anyone know anything about her? She has a beautiful voice. I think I may add it to my list for my funeral. |
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04 Feb 19 - 05:49 PM (#3974875) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Steve Shaw She's been going for donkeys' years. She's a very nice, down to earth lady, and she makes good music, but her voice is absolutely not up my alley. I met her at a gig in Bude well over 20 years ago. |
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04 Feb 19 - 06:01 PM (#3974877) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Senoufou Ah, thank you Steve. I see from Google she's known as the 'Barnsley Nightingale', from the West Riding of Yorkshire. Brian was explaining Black Holes which sound terrifying. They have such enormous gravity that they are sucking in matter and compressing it with untold forces. I think he said also that this alters Time but I may have misunderstood. (I have no background in Science) What if the entire Universe were eventually sucked in to become a tiny nugget of matter with an infinite Mass? Then it might all explode and started all over again with a Big Bang? Maybe this cycle has been going on for aeons, perhaps indefinitely? Scary! |
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04 Feb 19 - 08:31 PM (#3974886) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: olddude I would float a few political guys out into space |
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05 Feb 19 - 04:18 AM (#3974906) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Mr Red Sort out Brexshit? Maybe not, it would need something a hole (sic) lot more powerful. It must be near to it because thing couldn't look more black! |
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05 Feb 19 - 10:31 AM (#3974948) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel Sometimes I wonder why Brexit can't be sorted by one person. Sometimes I wonder why people who believe in an omnipotent all knowing eternal and infinite God of love can be angry. Sometimes I wonder if my dog is messing with me. I know my cat is. Sometimes I wonder if my mind hates me. Sometimes I wonder who-who wrote the book of love. Sometimes I wonder why I behave against my self interest. Sometimes I wonder why an editorial staff thinks I care about the Duke and Duchess of anything. Sometimes I wonder if fast forwarding past commercials will make me live longer. SometimesIwonderwhy I didn't notice the spaceship now moving past Jupiter at ludicrous speed. Sometimes I wonderwhyI wonder. |
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05 Feb 19 - 10:51 AM (#3974954) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel Senofou I think you now see why Cosmology can be more fun than drugs. |
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05 Feb 19 - 11:36 AM (#3974962) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Senoufou Donuel, anything is more fun than drugs. |
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05 Feb 19 - 12:40 PM (#3974971) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Bee-dubya-ell Anti gravity is generated by a negative pressure in bubble regions of empty space to preserve the proportionality of energy to space and, like gravity, accelerates not the attraction of mass but the expansion of space. Well, that's all well and good, but it's not gonna help me lift those heavy drywall panels when I get around to installing a new ceiling in my pottery studio. For that, I need some good old poorly conceived, cheap science fiction. hocus-pocus anti-gravity. Or I could go rent a drywall jack. |
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05 Feb 19 - 03:03 PM (#3974990) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel Senoufou then I can not classify the sacred Amazonian Cubensis mushroom as a drug. Even after 30 years the memory is wrapped in sublime beauty and boxed in profound omniscience preserved within an environmentally controlled vault to be protected for a lifetime or more. BWL you found the one key sentence that was most difficult to construct and summarize the current theory of Dark Energy. imo |
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06 Feb 19 - 01:29 PM (#3975159) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: SPB-Cooperator Donuel, in answer to your 7th point, many believe, including myself, that mankind has evolved to survive through cooperation, in spite of capitalist ideology doing its level best to show otherwise. According to Ed Mayo, even the expression dog-eat-dog is a misnoma in that in the wild dogs/wolves in behave cooperatively for the good of the pack. Senoufou, I am wondering in terms of supernovae what the extent of the heliosphere of the resulting neutron star is, and how what percentage of the exploding matter actually escapes the stars' gravitational influence into inter-stellar space, and of what is left, how much is eventually is swallowed up by the star, and how much eventually accretes to become stable orbiting planetary bodies (or would the extreme energy pulses prevent that from happening?) |
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06 Feb 19 - 02:03 PM (#3975164) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Senoufou That's interesting SPB. Brian Cox showed that the Crab Nebula had seven stars caught in small, frantic orbits around the entrance to the black hole. They weren't sucked in exactly, but couldn't escape. He described them as resembling 'bees around a honey pot'. So evidently, some of the matter doesn't move away and form new planets. Also he said that huge eruptions of radiation can be observed shooting out of the hole at intervals. I find the whole idea quite frightening, although I can't explain why. I suppose one feels very small and insignificant in comparison to the Universe! |
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06 Feb 19 - 02:59 PM (#3975168) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel SPB I think you are referring to wonder point #6. "Sometimes Iwonderwhy I behave against my self interest". Why people will heroically throw caution to the wind for a stranger is a common occurrence. In the few times, (far fewer than a nurse) that I have been a first responder I have noticed the cooperation of other witnesses to be zero to none, granted one such situation was on a NYC subway car. Ones morality, empathy and group cooperation are ideals. History is violent. I have seen 100 people watch a child get skull fracturing blows from an assailant while only one person intervened. Most people prefer not to get involved. Civilized cooperation by humans in my opinion out paces wild dogs by a long shot. I bet there is a similarity of black hole cores and neutron star cores compared to what is blown away in a super nova. |
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06 Feb 19 - 03:39 PM (#3975172) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Jos Donuel, sometimes bystanders do cooperate to help a stranger, such as when someone is pulled from a burning car, or when dozens of people all work together to lift a car or even a bus to free someone trapped underneath. Maybe the difference is that they don't expect the car or bus to suddenly turn on them, as might be the case when one person is being attacked by another. |
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06 Feb 19 - 03:46 PM (#3975173) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Senoufou We've noticed this sometimes Donuel. My husband can't bear to see an elderly, frail person struggling with a full trolley in a supermarket car park. People ignore them, but he will always go to them and offer his help. At first they're usually a bit wary, but he's so gentle and kind they let him load their stuff into the boot of their car, then he gives them a pound and takes the trolley back himself to get the coin back. We would always go to someone who had fallen or is looking unwell. I can understand why people are reluctant to put themselves in danger, for instance in a mugging or attack, but helping the weak, ill or frail is perfectly normal in our view. |
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06 Feb 19 - 05:11 PM (#3975187) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel Going from examples of wild dogs being more constructively cooperative than people to helping with groceries is quite a wide ranging conversation. Language is a valuable tool for we humans to avoid conflict but conflict happens anyway. I know that my life has been in jeopardy by attempted first degree murder a number of times BUT the 10,000 times I have been helped is the picture of reality I prefer to cherish. Absolute power is as dangerous as absolute trust. I assume these truths to be self evident. I bet a number of people here realize they are honestly lucky to be alive despite the malevolent or insane hand of man. You know the difference between an unsafe traffic maneuver and a deliberate act of violence. If you are unsure, it was not deliberate. |
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06 Feb 19 - 06:12 PM (#3975199) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Charmion I guess I'm just lucky. I fall down occasionally, this being Canada where we have ice for at least three months of the year, and usually I have to practically beat people off as they insist on dragging me to my feet before I am fully recombobulated. The only people I remember who did not immediately rush up to grab me were two obviously terrified teenaged girls who found me sprawled in the snow in front of my own front door, having slipped off the stoop, landed on my arse, and displaced a lumbar disc. I managed to get to my feet but could not get back up on the stoop to go back inside to call an ambulance. One of the girls allowed me to coax her close enough to put my hand on her shoulder, so I could lift my foot and step up. The entire exchange felt like luring a deer with a salt lick. French people, especially Parisians, are notoriously rude and dismissive of tourists, but when I tripped over a curbstone in front of Samaritain one day during the Christmas shopping rush, three women scooped me up off the pavement, brushed me thoroughly and checked me for broken bones. They then marched me to a nearby cafe and sat me down with a coffee and a piece of cake. Then they patted me on the shoulder and left. Yes, the French have style. |
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07 Feb 19 - 01:58 AM (#3975219) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Joe Offer I am strongly anti-gravity. The world would be a much happier place without all this gravity. People take themselves far too seriously. Oh, sorry, gotta go..... -Joe- |
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07 Feb 19 - 07:28 AM (#3975267) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel Going from water to land is a transition of perceived weight that makes me anti gravity for a moment but that soon passes. I haven't checked the actuarial tables but I think homicide is right up there with heart disease as a cause of death. Some 90% Veterans have not experienced the threat of attempted murder in active duty. The possibility of accidents is more likely. I recall Mudcatters who have died under suspicious circumstances but I don't recall a homicide. I've had to study this topic at length since my wife writes murder mysteries. Joe where were you May 12 2004 at 10:30? Charmion would a cane help? An anti gravity sky hook invention has been desired for centuries. |
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07 Feb 19 - 03:21 PM (#3975353) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Joe Offer Where was I May 12 2004? Well, my pictures show I did not get a digital camera until May 20, 2004, so I can't use photos to help. So, I looked on Messages by Day on Quicklinks at Mudcat, and that shows I was at my desk here in Applegate, California, posting the indexes for the various Penguin songbooks. I've always been fond of those Penguin songbooks. What should I have been doing or experiencing on May 12, 2004? -Joe- |
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07 Feb 19 - 05:41 PM (#3975364) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Steve Shaw "I am strongly anti-gravity. The world would be a much happier place without all this gravity. People take themselves far too seriously. Oh, sorry, gotta go...." I hope you didn't go with a heavy heart, Joe.... |
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07 Feb 19 - 05:59 PM (#3975365) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Mr Red well strangers do cooperate. Only today I was waiting for the penultimate bus in the middle of nowhere and a car pulled up and the lady told me there was a blockage and the bus would not get through. She gave me a lift to the next village and she was going in a loop to get to the village the bus would have come from. Sadly after she dropped me off I realised I had seen a "Road Blocked" sign on her most likely route also! But Thanx Janet. I had noticed walking on that side of the road there were next to no cars suddenly, and a lot the other way. Never connected. Dunno what the gravity of the situation, but otherwise I may have re-traced on foot and found out. |
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07 Feb 19 - 06:02 PM (#3975367) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Steve Shaw Next time, just weight for the bus. |
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08 Feb 19 - 08:07 AM (#3975484) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel Joe 'Brown' is the hardest working man in Mud business |
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08 Feb 19 - 09:58 AM (#3975507) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Charmion No, Donuel, a stick would not help any more than it already does; I have a spike-tipped stick for bad days. But falling down is normal in winter in Canada. It happens to everybody, including the young and spry. The old and fragile stay home when things get too slippery; the rest of us wear flat-soled boots, perform the penguin walk, watch the ground for bare patches, bless those who sprinkle salt and grit, and travel hopefully. |
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08 Feb 19 - 10:33 AM (#3975516) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Donuel Charmion they are a bother but ice gripping attachments to shoes do help. A spill on the ice crippled my wife for life. Mass matters in a fall. When I fell down icy stairs I used an English cello as a protective sled. At the bottom I gave the canvas bag a shake and it was all shards. |
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09 Feb 19 - 12:32 AM (#3975633) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: leeneia If I could tap anti-gravity, I would float up and down the 14 steps to my front door. How lovely that would be! Mr. Red, thanks for the story about the nice driver. |
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09 Feb 19 - 04:08 PM (#3975766) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: olddude Float all jello into space forever where it belongs |
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10 Feb 19 - 04:17 AM (#3975840) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Mr Red Leeneia I have learned from previous taxi episodes to look for fall-back stratagems, preferably 2 options. like aiming for the penultimate bus when far from a reliable datum. And not averse to long walks. Though hills do slow me a bit now. Anno Domini more than gravity. |
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10 Feb 19 - 12:13 PM (#3975928) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Mr Red drove past today and there is a stone wall had succombed to gravity and it looks like it could have caused an accident if not the result of one. So the bus wan't stonewalling. |
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12 Feb 19 - 12:18 AM (#3976253) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: leeneia My newspaper reported on a young woman who was damaged by Chernobyl, being born with no feet and shortened legs. She came to the United States, finally got state-of-the art artificial limbs and is now a runner. She said, "It's like flying. I AM flying! I have no feet." What heart, what spirit! |
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14 Feb 19 - 05:33 PM (#3976741) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Uncle Phil Manufacture brassieres |
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14 Feb 19 - 05:43 PM (#3976744) Subject: RE: BS: What stocks are the big long? From: Donuel Cresco labs, Kush bottles, iAnthus, Acreage holdings, liberty health sciences |
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15 Feb 19 - 04:16 AM (#3976789) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Ebbie Donuel: Sometimes I wonder why I wander. I keep thinking of 'anti-gravity' as being 'NON-gravity'. How would that work? Does it mean that if I threw a ball for a dog to fetch, the ball would travel at the height that my strength achieved? Would the leaping dog also NOT fall? Houston, we have a problem. |
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15 Feb 19 - 04:27 AM (#3976792) Subject: RE: BS: What would you do with anti gravity? From: Senoufou Am I correct in thinking that a spaceship that had lost power would just keep travelling on and on through space for eternity in the original direction it was headed? Until perhaps a large star or planet's gravity drew it into orbit? I have this image in my head of a human face peering out while the ship gently turned over and over as it continued on and on forever. |