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18 Feb 19 - 12:24 PM (#3977590) Subject: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Mr Red Labour Party splinter group. FWIW not a surprise, given the leadership. Michael Foot. SDP. History about to repeat itself, it has to, nobody is listening. |
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18 Feb 19 - 12:26 PM (#3977593) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: keberoxu Michael Foot is dead, correct? |
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18 Feb 19 - 12:29 PM (#3977594) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Dave the Gnome Let's see if any of them have the courage to stand for re-election. Highly unlikely I would have thought so we will just have to wait and see how many are still at Westminster after the next election. |
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18 Feb 19 - 12:31 PM (#3977598) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Mr Red yea and he never made it to PM. |
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18 Feb 19 - 12:39 PM (#3977600) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Mr Red so we will just have to wait and see how many are still at Westminster after the next election. given the country's disenchantment with either party there may be a swag of MP's missing come next time. Blame Brexshit** - it will have to carry the can for a lot of things, like any price rises, shortages, hoarding, short-time working - (Honda announced today) etc. **And rightly so IMNSHO. |
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18 Feb 19 - 01:30 PM (#3977609) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: punkfolkrocker ..apart from high profile slick smarmy Chukkles [who's bound to end up in some cushy job of some sort...].. ... who exactly are the other six non entities...???? |
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18 Feb 19 - 01:44 PM (#3977616) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: peteglasgow Michael Foot was a good guy - highly intelligent, humane, honest and respected. When he lost the election to thatcher it marked a truly sad and significant day in UK history. it was a thoroughly depressing change in attitudes when those qualities could be trashed by the media and the country could choose to go down the path of brash selfishness and idiocy. it's all been downhill since then. Foot rightly said that wealthy people do not need a good government as they will always do alright - while the rest of us rely on it. |
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18 Feb 19 - 01:47 PM (#3977617) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Steve Shaw Absolutely right, Pete. But if you want to hate Foot or Corbyn, all you have to do is read the right "news"papers. You have plenty of choice. |
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18 Feb 19 - 01:50 PM (#3977618) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains When he lost the election to thatcher it marked a truly sad and significant day in UK history. Some would beg to differ |
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18 Feb 19 - 01:57 PM (#3977620) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Steve Shaw Sorry, Pete, clearly I should have said the right "news"papers and other delusional right-wing sources that feed into the confirmation bias of the feeble-minded. |
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18 Feb 19 - 02:03 PM (#3977621) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jos It would be interesting if a few of conservatives now decoded to form a group of independents alongside them. |
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18 Feb 19 - 02:06 PM (#3977624) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: punkfolkrocker Immediately post Michael Foot, we had the panic and rapid yuppiefication of the Labour Party... Bloody suits and ties and the mindset and values they pander to... |
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18 Feb 19 - 02:56 PM (#3977627) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Dave Hanson Anti Corbyn the lot of them. Dave H |
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18 Feb 19 - 03:35 PM (#3977635) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Bonzo3legs Corbyn is "disappointed" poor chap, more like finished!!! |
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18 Feb 19 - 03:52 PM (#3977637) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: peteglasgow i would have hoped that the disappointed 7 would have spent their moment in the limelight attacking this weird and hopeless government and promising to fight alongside their ex-colleagues to be rid of them. surely they must have far more animosity towards the tories than their friends in the labour party who they have worked with for many years. yet they chose the moment when they could do the most damage to the progressive cause and came out with some nasty and divisive shit - for what? who is this behaviour going to benefit? tom watson may be (politically) correct to say we shouldn't call them traitors but it does look that way. 'Tories' would be another appropriate insult |
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18 Feb 19 - 03:58 PM (#3977639) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains Corbyn is "disappointed" poor chap, How very sad! I am heartbroken he is only disappointed. |
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18 Feb 19 - 04:26 PM (#3977642) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Acorn4 I reckon Tony Blair might join this lot which should spell curtains with a bit of luck. |
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18 Feb 19 - 04:37 PM (#3977644) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains The only man in Christendom that makes a poisoned chalice utterly redundant! |
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18 Feb 19 - 08:10 PM (#3977660) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: McGrath of Harlow Well, they didn't belong in the Labour Party, as they have now confirmed. And they had the nerve to object to the mere notion of being expected to seek reselection of sitting MPs. Whatever happened to the Gang of Four? Still I imagine once they've lost their seats, and established the Tories in power for another generation, there'll be peerages and we’ll paid sinecure jobs going. |
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19 Feb 19 - 02:43 AM (#3977693) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll Needs to be regarded as Labour's cleaning out of its Augian Stable - long overdue Any new party they form will be right wing with policies little different than the Tories, and just as they are, made up of career politicians Any takers who will get the support of the media Jim Carroll |
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19 Feb 19 - 03:20 AM (#3977697) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains Yesterday it was 7! How many by the end of the week? Perhaps Jeremy should move fulltime to his allotment. There he will do less damage. I do like to see the Labour party rip itself apart.Fine entertainment! |
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19 Feb 19 - 03:28 AM (#3977701) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: The Sandman if history repeats itself[ it often does] they are bound for the political wilderness and obscurity |
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19 Feb 19 - 04:20 AM (#3977710) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll It's been fascinating to see the shift of attitude towards Michael Foot down the years and compare it to what is happening to Corbyn While in office, Foot became a figure of fun - "the man who attended Armistice Day in a duffle coat" When he was driven out of harm's way he became a respected elder statesman - corbyn seems to be going through the same media grinder I met Foot once - a gentle, kind humanist who dedicated his life to changing society or the better - his son was similarly inclined Corbyn, although less experienced, has many of the same qualities and, as far as I am concerned, offers the only chance of changing British politics for the better Both made mistakes - that's what being human is about It's when rightist scumbags start targeting people like these, yo know they must be doing something right Why would Corbyn suggest he "move to an allotment" if he didn't threaten to make a difference - surely it would suit the rabid right to have someone as incompetent as they describe him as being at the head of the opposition party Frightened rats - the lot of them - lets face it, they can hardly hold their own representatives, too busy snapping at each others throats to run a country and totally unable to govern without giving massive bribes to sectarian parties - as examples of dedicated and principled politicians Let the rats continue to snap and take it as a compliment Jim |
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19 Feb 19 - 04:22 AM (#3977711) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll "Why would Corbyn suggest he" Should read "whhy would they suggest Corbyn... |
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19 Feb 19 - 04:39 AM (#3977715) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: peteglasgow i just need to point out that the letter 'e' occurs 3 times in the word 'independent' i'm not sure how long i can contribute to this group that has so little concern for correct spelling. it's only a minor irritation now but when i feel it can cause the most trouble for our hosts i may have to go full troll and chukka my toys out the pram |
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19 Feb 19 - 04:53 AM (#3977719) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Steve Shaw Chukka your toys? Surely you should be umunna to such petty irritations by now... |
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19 Feb 19 - 10:06 AM (#3977765) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: KarenH Well there seem to be two groups, the independent one and the independant one. Does Latin help us to get the right spelling here? |
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19 Feb 19 - 10:10 AM (#3977768) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: bobad It doesn't bode well for Corbyn when even some of his own advisors believe him to be an anti-Semite. |
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19 Feb 19 - 10:56 AM (#3977776) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains Why would Corbyn suggest he "move to an allotment" if he didn't threaten to make a difference - surely it would suit the rabid right to have someone as incompetent as they describe him as being at the head of the opposition party What is he going to make a difference to?His carrots and onions? Believe me it does suit to have a buffoon like Corbyn in charge of the opposition.He is as effective as a poodle in a bear baiting contest and presiding over the destruction of his own party. His fiasco will make a hell of a christmas pantomime in years to come. Some one mustbe suffering terrible delusions to ever imagine corbyn could ever pose a threat to the Tories. The only threat he poses is to his own party and still they keep him as leader. Rather shows the low caliber of the average labour party member(Those few that are left!) |
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19 Feb 19 - 11:11 AM (#3977780) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains From Guido. The labour gift thst keeps giving! https://order-order.com/2019/02/19/labour-mp-suggests-labour-split-group-is-funded-by-israel/ As one aptly quoted: "Political parties shooting themselves in the foot is nothing new. Using a Gatling gun is novel. Reloading it is remarkable." Bring on the clowns! |
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19 Feb 19 - 11:26 AM (#3977784) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Doug Chadwick i just need to point out that the letter 'e' occurs 3 times in the word 'independent' i'm not sure how long i can contribute to this group that has so little concern for correct spelling. it's only a minor irritation now but when i feel it can cause the most trouble for our hosts i may have to go full troll and chukka my toys out the pram You don't have to be a capitalist to be irrited by the lack of capitalisation. DC |
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19 Feb 19 - 11:29 AM (#3977786) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Steve Shaw It's also quite difficult to accommate people who leave bits out of words, Doug. |
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19 Feb 19 - 11:29 AM (#3977787) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll " You don't have to be a capitalist to be irrited by the lack of capitalisation. " Wonder how e e cummins would have fared here Jim |
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19 Feb 19 - 12:01 PM (#3977794) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Mr Red It is an observable reality, regardless of a man's integrity, or aspirations for the community, the message has to be absorbed by the community. It has to be worded at that level. Michael Foot didn't manage, Ed Milliband struggled. At the risk of provoking some of this parish - David Milliband was more electable. He seemed to me to have gravitas, as well as the handsome gene of the family. My worry was that King Boris had the right bait for the public, And he might well re-load his fishing rod. Beware! He is a survivor - until the mess that will hit the fan after April 1st comes home to haunt him. All The Independant Group will achieve is the gratitude of middle ground. They are the tip of the iceberg, and it will be a cold spring! |
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19 Feb 19 - 01:12 PM (#3977805) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: punkfolkrocker 'dent' or 'dant... don't matter... here's the most appropriate spelling... The Independunce Group.... |
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19 Feb 19 - 01:38 PM (#3977810) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains Heh Heh! https://news.sky.com/story/independent-group-third-most-popular-party-sky-data-poll-11642205 Jack Straw former Home Secretary says: Corbyn is a security risk! Oh Jeremy Corbyn......... and now he has Hatton and Livingstone ! What could go right |
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19 Feb 19 - 01:58 PM (#3977816) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: peteglasgow sadly, with the way our political system works - there is no room for a principled stand when voting in england. as a comrade put it to me in the pub just now - 'what is the matter with these (7) people - you are either red or blue these days' if you have been voted in by labour voters you have a duty to support labour and our manifesto. it's very simple - do these people really want 10 more years of a tory government? apparently... |
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19 Feb 19 - 02:08 PM (#3977822) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: punkfolkrocker How many more defectors do the Indies need asap to consider forming a mutual backscratching partnership with May, and a possible coalition govt with the tories next election...??? Wonder what ministry Chukkles Ammonia has on top his wish list...??? Troublesome DUP might need to worry about finding themselves made redundant from propping up the tories, and even more irrelevant in the greater scheme of things... |
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19 Feb 19 - 02:43 PM (#3977826) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Mrrzy Hey can we brexit with you guys? -Virginia, especially Charlottesville |
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19 Feb 19 - 04:11 PM (#3977836) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: David Carter (UK) Chuka Umunna and colleagues may have got their timing wrong, but their aims are laudable. The job of the opposition is to oppose, and particularly to oppose the Tories' destructive brexit agenda. Corbyn seems to have been seduced by the right wing agenda of Len McCluskey, and if he cannot come out and fight brexit with everything he has got, then he should make way for someone who can. |
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20 Feb 19 - 02:20 AM (#3977889) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Backwoodsman An interesting POV from Craig Murray's Blog yesterday. Inconvenient things, facts, aren't they? |
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20 Feb 19 - 03:30 AM (#3977892) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains And another one bites the dust! https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/corbyn-not-fit-to-be-prime-minister-eighth-labour-mp-has-quit-the-party-905467. You could not make it up. Heh Heh! |
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20 Feb 19 - 03:38 AM (#3977894) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Mr Red exceptional! |
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20 Feb 19 - 05:14 AM (#3977910) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: banjoman I have asked this question in a previous thread but not had any response. "Anti Semitic" is a phrase being bandied about in respect of Corbyn but I ask, what is the difference between that and being opposed to the actions of the Israeli government? I feel that to those shouting about anti Semitism there is no difference. To me and many other party members, there blatantly is. |
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20 Feb 19 - 05:26 AM (#3977914) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll The common response of critics of Israel as "Antisemitic" is in fact an act of Antisemitism The last clause of the new definition states clearly that it is antisemitic to link the actions of the Israeli Government with the Jewish People Accusing critics of Israel of doing this does just that Even the Israeli Minister of Justice has openly stated that critics of Israel are antisemites and described criticism of Israel as "The New Antisemitism" Jews who criticise the regime are deprived of their Jewishness by being described as "self hating Jews" - some leading Israelis, including an Army General and several ex-directors of Mossad, the Israeli Security Service - are "self-hating Jews" The term has been manipulated to protect extremist right wing politics - there's a term to define politicians who place their policies above the opinions of the people Jim Carroll |
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20 Feb 19 - 05:31 AM (#3977915) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: David Carter (UK) I agree banjoman, there are some people, by no means all, but it does seem to include a couple of the MPs in this group, who would like to equate support for the Palestinian cause with antisemitism. To blame all Jews for the actions of Israel, that is antisemitism according to the IHRA definition and this I agree with, but the statements from Berger and Ryan go much further than this. |
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20 Feb 19 - 06:08 AM (#3977919) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll Four of the group are active 'Friends of Israel' and one has business links with the regime - all are ex Blair's babes and boys As far as Antisemitism is concerned, the safest way to approach the term is to restrict it to denigrating and persecuting the Jewish People There are other aspects of the new definition that may become impossible to avoid without being labeled antisemitic Already an army general and two ex Mossad heads have compared Israel's actions to those of The Nazis - as have many Holocaust survivors and their families Albert Einstein and a dozen of his fellow scientists warned of the possible rise of Fascism in Israel nearly seventy years ago Jim Carroll |
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20 Feb 19 - 06:23 AM (#3977922) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains Now Tories are defecting. Two party politics is fast fragmenting. Gonna be a lot of homeless chickens come the next election. |
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20 Feb 19 - 07:08 AM (#3977933) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Mr Red and some of them have clung on to their party (& Brexshit) despite their constituency being pro-remain by quite a margin. I live in one such. The outgoing MP was pro-remain! Talk about complexity. All bets are off for a while. When the blame game kicks-in, Brexshit will be the target. And no MP will be able to good-mouth it in any convincing way. They will lie, they always do. The public won't forget - well not within the 5 year tenancy. |
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20 Feb 19 - 07:15 AM (#3977934) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll WHERE ARE THEY NOW, ONE WONDERS ??? Jim Carroll |
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20 Feb 19 - 07:38 AM (#3977938) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains Who cares. In the words of a FOLK SONG, 'yesterday's papers' telling yesterdays news! Far more relevant: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/10/why-the-sickly-ugly-sisters-of-our-politics-deserve-to-suffer-the-splits |
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20 Feb 19 - 08:25 AM (#3977944) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll Three Tories out - probably more on the way and a rapidly diminishing Tory voting majority for Brexit "What will become of old England" in the words of a real folk song (almost) Mayfly will really have to reach deep in the taxpayers coffers - wonder which disreputable bunch of sharks and shysters she'll bung now Jim Carroll |
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20 Feb 19 - 09:05 AM (#3977950) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Steve Shaw I note that one of the Labour ship-jumpers, Angela Smith, citing Labour's racism and institutional antisemitism, made a blatantly racist remark about skin colour in an interview. All over twitter it is. Heheh. Google "Angela Smith funny tinge." She thinks racism can be excused if you're "very, very tired." |
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20 Feb 19 - 10:31 AM (#3977960) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll HERE TIRED and EMOTIONAL MAYBE ? Jim |
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20 Feb 19 - 10:44 AM (#3977963) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll Latest Labour resignation Joan Marie Ryan She was a government whip under Tony Blair from 2002 to 2006, a junior Home Office minister responsible for ID cards from 2006 to 2007, and the Prime Minister's Special Representative to Cyprus from 2007 to 2008, when she was sacked. She lost her seat in the 2010 general election after an expenses scandal and was deputy campaign director of NOtoAV in the 2011 Alternative Vote referendum. She was chair of the Labour Friends of Israel (LFI) She'll be missed ! Jim Carroll |
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20 Feb 19 - 11:00 AM (#3977969) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Backwoodsman "She'll be missed" Like the proverbial hole in the head.... |
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20 Feb 19 - 12:58 PM (#3977989) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: DMcG I do have a concern that the three Conservatives are correct that the right wing of the party has full control. Forget Brexit if you can - that could be a serious issue next time they get a Parliamentary majority, which will happen eventually. |
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20 Feb 19 - 01:36 PM (#3977992) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: The Sandman I fail to see how Corbyn is anti semitic, The establishment are clearly very worried about Corbyn, smear after smear |
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20 Feb 19 - 01:55 PM (#3977995) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: punkfolkrocker Sandman - he's anti semitic because some folks say he is... and what they say is indisputable fact... .. and some of these folks are so obsessed with rooting out antisemiticism to denounce & fight back against that they could even find some if locked alone naked in an undecorated padded room... |
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20 Feb 19 - 02:04 PM (#3977996) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains The Liverpool Echo is reporting that hard left firebrand Derek Hatton has been suspended from the Labour Party again – just two days after he was readmitted to the party after being banned for 34 years Now you see him. Now you don't! Brian Rix would be proud! |
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20 Feb 19 - 08:31 PM (#3978032) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Mossback so obsessed with rooting out antisemiticism to denounce & fight back against that they could even find some if locked alone naked in an undecorated padded room... May I present...(drumroll)............... BOBAD! |
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20 Feb 19 - 08:57 PM (#3978036) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: bobad Lower case if you please Greg. |
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21 Feb 19 - 04:56 AM (#3978068) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Dave the Gnome Much as I disagree with the way all these MPs have approached this, it may have a beneficial effect. Any MP that resigns from the party should stand down and be subject to re-election by the people that put them there in the first place. However, it may cause the 2 major parties to re-think their approach to the rapidly approaching disaster that is brexit. If it happens that we either do not leave the EU or we get a better deal, I would personally like to shake their hands and offer them my condolences for them losing their seats. I doubt very much that any of them have done this for altruistic reasons but maybe them falling on their swords is what is needed. I did like Anna Soubry's comments about a right wing minority now running the Tory party. Shows that it is not just us 'left wingers' who believe this and gives credence to the contention that politics has shifted greatly to the right. |
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21 Feb 19 - 05:01 AM (#3978070) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: David Carter (UK) MPs are elected as individuals to represent their constituents' interests. That the process has been hijacked by party machines is unfortunate. But as long as they are still voting for what they judge to be in their constituents' best interests, I don't think they should have to stand down. |
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21 Feb 19 - 05:16 AM (#3978075) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Dave the Gnome I disagree, David. They were elected with party funds on a party manifesto so they should be subject to re-election if they then break their part of the contract. I would also point out that representing all their constituents interests is not possible. For instance, the split between leaving the EU or staying is almost 50/50. No one can represent the interests of both sides! They should be representing the best interests of the country in general. |
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21 Feb 19 - 05:30 AM (#3978077) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Backwoodsman I'm with Dave on this, although I understand David's viewpoint and have some sympathy with it. But I do believe that a sizeable majority at GEs vote for the party, not the individual candidate - many would vote for a centipede if it was standing for 'their' party - so the eleven should resign and stand as Independent candidates at a by-election. |
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21 Feb 19 - 05:35 AM (#3978080) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: David Carter (UK) DtG, there is a difference between their constitiuents' interests and their constituents' views. And it is the former that they must represent. |
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21 Feb 19 - 05:41 AM (#3978083) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Dave the Gnome Ah - got it. Sorry I did not spot that before. Thanks David. |
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21 Feb 19 - 08:29 AM (#3978109) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll Two Tory ex-Ministers have now threatened to resign and join the little band of brothers and sisters Jim Carroll |
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21 Feb 19 - 09:21 AM (#3978121) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: punkfolkrocker ..plus the conservative MP for Brecon in Wales is now being investigated for the good old fashioned traditional tory pecadilo of fiddling expenses... fingers crossed he gets booted out... |
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21 Feb 19 - 09:55 AM (#3978125) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Nigel Parsons for the good old fashioned traditional tory pecadilo of fiddling expenses... I seem to recall that the 'expenses scandal' caught members of all the major parties in its trawl. So 'traditional tory peccadillo' is clearly based on a misunderstanding. |
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21 Feb 19 - 09:58 AM (#3978126) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Mr Red "She'll be missed" Like the proverbial hole in the head.... Yea I hear you .......................... with two, & pour a mind altering drug down another one** and in danger of looking down my nose revealing another two. And I need all 5 holes in my head. Three let in live-giving oxygen that feeds the computation circuits that we call logic! Holes in the head would be sorely missed PAL! Try another metaphor? **only ever apple preserved in alcohol - mind. |
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21 Feb 19 - 10:15 AM (#3978131) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: punkfolkrocker "I seem to recall that the 'expenses scandal' caught members of all the major parties in its trawl" now forgive me if my memory is a little hazy, but it seems to me the post Michael Foot haste to yuppiefy the labour party attracted too many ambitious suits and ties from the professional and business classes... Including all the ex tory defectors fleeing like rats from a sinking ship to Blair's succsess... ..and of course many of them the kind's of folk who enjoyed fiddling expenses/white collar petty fraud as norm for their working culture...??? Of course, that's not to deny the that the grass roots working class core of the real original labour party weren't too adverse to 'borrowing' the odd tool or boxes of nails and screws from their factories and building sites... |
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21 Feb 19 - 10:18 AM (#3978133) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: punkfolkrocker btw.. bugger it.. I could have sworn I'd pasted the correct spelling for "peccadillo"... [bloody annoying when quick first draft spullings slip through into to posts...] |
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21 Feb 19 - 10:30 AM (#3978136) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Jim Carroll "I seem to recall that the 'expenses scandal' caught members of all the major parties in its trawl." Yup certainly did - Tories of all parties The line was somewhat blurred when Blair's Boys and Babes were at the helm Jim Carroll |
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21 Feb 19 - 10:52 AM (#3978140) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains Three Labour MPs who cheated their expenses ordered to pay huge £125,000 bill to cover cost of legal aid and prosecution. Three former Labour MPs who were sent to jail for falsely claiming expenses have been ordered to repay a total of £125,000 in legal fees.Dec 15, 2011 A Tory peccadillo? Anything Tories do labour does better (in this instance) Remember Labour have plenty of form for squandering other peoples money |
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21 Feb 19 - 11:21 AM (#3978144) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: punkfolkrocker Iains - well... It's no surprise the Tories are much better at it, and getting away with it. Cuz they've been doing it far longer, know/invented all the tricks; and more importantly, have the old school tie network to rely on to help cover up and escape detection and punishment... |
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21 Feb 19 - 12:36 PM (#3978166) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains Pfr no party covers itself in glory when it comes to their elected or non elected representatives and their behaviour with public funds. From your favourite source guido: https://order-order.com/2019/02/21/disgraced-debens-dodgy-drax-dealings/ On another level there is dispute over just how green the power is. The coal once came out of the ground next door. Biomass is imported from the States. https://www.pellet.org/wpac-news/drax-fires-up-biomass-power?jjj=1550770317475 |
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21 Feb 19 - 12:46 PM (#3978167) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: punkfolkrocker Dunno why you are bothering to defend the tories against recognition of being dodgy fraudsters... You should be celebrating something they are actually better at than any other UK party...!!!!! |
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21 Feb 19 - 02:03 PM (#3978170) Subject: RE: BS: The Independant Group (UK politics) From: Iains Pfr I prefer to go where the facts lead me. |
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21 Feb 19 - 06:20 PM (#3978223) Subject: RE: BS: The Independent Group (UK politics) From: Steve Shaw Well one fairly inconvenient fact about this latest Tory expenses cheat is that he did it a good number of years after the major outrage of 2011. One might have thought that the scandal had been cleared up, but here we have another self-entitled Tory trying it on. |
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21 Feb 19 - 07:15 PM (#3978239) Subject: RE: BS: The Independent Group (UK politics) From: Acorn4 Isn't a group of "Independents" an oxymoron? |
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21 Feb 19 - 07:20 PM (#3978241) Subject: RE: BS: The Independent Group (UK politics) From: keberoxu thank you, O mighty mud-elf, for correcting the thread title spelling. |
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21 Feb 19 - 07:32 PM (#3978244) Subject: RE: BS: The Independent Group (UK politics) From: Steve Shaw Nah, Acorn. Just morons. |
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22 Feb 19 - 04:08 AM (#3978294) Subject: RE: BS: The Independent Group (UK politics) From: Mr Red Yea but independent morons cf slavish morons |