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22 Mar 19 - 05:26 PM (#3983969) Subject: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Tattie Bogle To give it its full title: Petition to Parliament to revoke Article 50 and cancel Brexit. This was actually launched some weeks back and attracted only moderate interest...until Theresa May's ill-conceived speech the other night, when she blamed the MPs for the mess she's got herself into. Since then the petition has taken off meteorically, with so many people trying to sign up in support of it that the (government) website crashed repeatedly. After signing, you were supposed to get an email where you had to click on a link before your vote could be counted: many people thought the system wasn't working, but for me, it took 4 hours before that confirmatory email came through. The number of signatures, UK-wide, now stands at 3 and a quarter million, of which most have accrued in the last 2 days. Given that many people still do not have computers or, if they have, don't indulge in any form of "social media" and therefore see invitations to join the petition, this is quite stunning. They only needed over 100,000 signatures to get it debated in Parliament, and it's already 37 x that! I have never been much of a great political animal, but this Brexit total fiasco is turning me into one in my later years: I was out tonight at a rally to precede (and support) a contingent from Scotland going to London for tomorrow's "Put It to the People" rally. If anyone has not seen the invitation to support the Petition and would like to do so (UK residents/voters only), here is the link: UK Petition re Brexit No doubt some of you will disagree with this: if so, just ignore my post or submit only polite comment, please. |
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22 Mar 19 - 06:34 PM (#3983980) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Steve Shaw Pushing four million now. My mum, my missus, both my kids and their partners, my sister and all of our friends without exception have signed. Maybe it won't work. But sign the bloody thing will you!! |
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22 Mar 19 - 07:13 PM (#3983985) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Tattie Bogle Hear, hear, Steve! There is also a website showing percentage signings per no of constituents by parliamentary constituency: my area was showing over 11% signed at last count, and Leith (not too far from here) was over 14%. Map of Petition replies |
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22 Mar 19 - 07:21 PM (#3983986) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Steve Shaw It may never make seventeen and a half million, but then it hasn't had a massive six- months' long lying campaign. SIGN, SIGN, SIGN!!! |
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23 Mar 19 - 03:51 AM (#3984031) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains But sign the bloody thing will you!! If you can find space among all the russian bots. If the government ignores a referendum result do you seriously think they will pay the slightest bit of attention to your squiffy petition? It takes a peculiar form of arrogance to feel a pathetic petition has more weight than a referendum! It must be s consequence of living in a pinky socialist dreamworld where you can wish upon a star, hug a tree,and all is right with the world. The petition conveniently overlooks the fact that those with a counter view are totally sidestepped and ignored. (A truly socialist tradition) |
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23 Mar 19 - 04:12 AM (#3984037) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Bonnie Shaljean 4 MILLION Why bots probably aren't gaming the Cancel Brexit petition https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47668946 |
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23 Mar 19 - 05:34 AM (#3984048) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains I wonder why anything to do with leave is riddled with bots according to the MSM, but perversely leave is pure as driven snow. It is illogical Mr Spock. |
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23 Mar 19 - 07:10 AM (#3984073) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains Even the pope has signed. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1103577/brexit-revoke-article-50-petition-nigel-farage-russia-hugh-grant-theresa-may "The creator of the petition is a certain Margaret Anne Georgiadou, who went on LBC to discuss the petition. A series of shocking posts from her on Facebook are where she makes repeated death threats against Theresa May. She even discusses in detail with fellow Remainers how to purchase “legal” guns and go to the House of Commons. In January, Georgiadou wrote about how she hoped that May would kill herself. In two further comments that now appear to have been deleted, she described May (or possibly Andrea Leadsom) as a “creature” that “needs putting down” and threatened to shoot May “point blank”. |
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23 Mar 19 - 07:23 AM (#3984076) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: DMcG I take it you are not an Agatha Christie fan, then. It feels like a good quarter of her suspects threaten to kill the person who dies in the end... Saying you want someone dead is normally hyperbole, not incitement to violence. But in any case, it is absurd to characterise 4,181,961 (as at the time of writing) based on one person. |
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23 Mar 19 - 08:47 AM (#3984096) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: McGrath of Harlow "May urged to 'fall on her sword...," (Guardian headline today). That evidently is how various Tories have interpreted the timing of the EU extension. That's the leaders of 27 countries, with a few hundred million people urging her to kill herself. Would any patriotic Brit excuse this shocking suggestion as possibly being made figuratively rather than literally? |
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23 Mar 19 - 08:57 AM (#3984098) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains Your excuses are not very convincing. Falling on a sword is a figure of speech, discussing how to convert paintball guns into lethal weapons goes a tad further in my book. In another deeply disturbing thread, Georgiadou and two other Remainers discuss at great lengths how to purchase “completely legal” paintball guns and them load them with “solid ‘training balls'” that will cause “extreme pain”. Georgiadou asks if people “need a licence” to own one and “where can you buy?” She then jokes about shooting Brexiteers “with impunity”… |
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23 Mar 19 - 09:42 AM (#3984105) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Bonzo3legs Excellent concert by Michael Bolton on Radio 2 last night!! |
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23 Mar 19 - 10:36 AM (#3984124) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: DMcG This has just been posted on a live news feed: ===== margaret georgiadou @madgie1941 Hi - am the person responsible for the Revoke Art 50 petition. Just needed to tell you that 1. am currently visiting Cyprus. and 2. last night I had three telepohoned death threats. (!) Who wants Brexit so much that they are prepared to kill for it? ===== You may choose to say she started the threats if you like. But I doubt if she telephoned Number 10 specifically. |
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23 Mar 19 - 12:09 PM (#3984146) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker yeah right.. a very homely looking [code for fat & unfit ] 77 year old lady is feared to be a potential crack ninja assassin...!!!??? |
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23 Mar 19 - 01:59 PM (#3984165) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Backwoodsman David Davis, former Brexit Secretary, 9/11/2012 - "If a Democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy". For once he was dead right. |
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24 Mar 19 - 09:17 AM (#3984313) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jos Now 5,000,070 |
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24 Mar 19 - 10:47 AM (#3984338) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Tattie Bogle And still rising, and over 1 million people estimated to have been on yesterday's "People's Vote" march in London, and other smaller marches elsewhere. Friends who were on it, said it was peaceful and friendly. Whatever the rights and wrongs of anything, NO-ONE should be making death threats against anyone whether politicians, petition organisers, and whether they really mean them or not. |
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24 Mar 19 - 11:24 AM (#3984350) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Backwoodsman "Whatever the rights and wrongs of anything, NO-ONE should be making death threats against anyone whether politicians, petition organisers, and whether they really mean them or not." You are so right, Tattie! But, since the referendum was first mooted, it's been a tactic of the rabid Brexit-Loonies. I've lost count of the number of times some foaming-at-the-mouth, bulging-eyed Brexit-Loony has told me, on one forum or another, and a couple of times to my face, that because I voted Remain and continue to oppose Leaving, I should be "Arrested, marched out, and shot". |
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24 Mar 19 - 12:25 PM (#3984366) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains Funny it is the remainers that constantly hurl insults at those that voted leave. Must be sore losers like Democrats and live in a constant state of denial. I suggest therapy to help cope. |
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24 Mar 19 - 12:42 PM (#3984375) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: The Sandman it looks like T May is going to be replaced |
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24 Mar 19 - 12:48 PM (#3984377) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker I love the way tories revert to roman empire style treachery and back stabbing when it comes to deposing their leaders who fall out of favour ... |
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24 Mar 19 - 12:50 PM (#3984378) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll The fist signs of violence and threats came immediately after the vote when those of a different culture and colout wer asked when they were going to "go home" Since then racist and cultural attacks have continued to rise to a previously unheard of peak SORE WINNERS, MORE LIKE Jim Carroll |
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24 Mar 19 - 01:00 PM (#3984380) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains Tendayi Achiume, the UN’s special rapporteur on racism and xenophobia, said that hate crimes had risen starkly since the EU referendum in 2016 and that anti-migrant and anti-foreigner rhetoric had become “normalised” even among high-ranking civil servants. No proof of course. Must be the same as jackboot jimmie in making all sorts of unsubstantiated allegations. Neither are the brightest buttons on the SS uniform. |
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24 Mar 19 - 01:47 PM (#3984386) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: The Sandman ian, i am sorry but you are wrong, in boston lincs, the night after the vote, an umber of english people verbally abused eastern european workers on their way to work.ism unleashed: 'Send the lot back' – on the road in post-referendum England Cards saying 'Polish vermin', immigrants leaving because of the hostility – and a Ukip councillor talking about Albanian-Russian gang warfare, even though the police say it's 'totally false' Adam Lusher Boston Thursday 28 July 2016 22:00 729 comments Click to follow Indy Politics Eastern European shops on West Street in Boston, where 75.6 per cent of EU referendum voters backed Brexit, the highest proportion in the UK Eastern European shops on West Street in Boston, where 75.6 per cent of EU referendum voters backed Brexit, the highest proportion in the UK ( Andrew Fox ) The two Polish mothers are hesitant at first. In the town of Boston, Lincolnshire, it seems you must watch what you say, and to whom. There’s no question of giving names. Fear of repercussions hangs heavy. “It started the day after the referendum,” says the bright, articulate 30-year-old waitress. She tried to help another woman looking for accommodation. “I asked the guy if the properties were still available. He said ‘Of course. What nationality is it?’ “I said Polish. He said ‘Sorry, no.’” Read more Read more Revealed: the shocking scale of racist hate since the Brexit vote “Last week,” adds her 35-year-old friend, “a man at work called me a f***ing foreigner, made comments about foreigners taking benefits. “Before the referendum, people tried to be nice, tried not to let it show. Now, some of them don’t even try. You see it in their faces.” And with a wry smile, she notes that while she has a job, her female – British – neighbours are the ones claiming benefits. Race hate incidents that have occurred since the June 23 EU Referendum There might be more anecdotes than you get elsewhere, but they find their echo all over the UK, in the 500 accounts of race hate incidents collected by the twitter page PostRefRacism, the website iStreetWatch, the facebook group Worrying Signs and the Institute of Race Relations, and seen by The Independent. They point to what Assistant Chief Constable Mark Hamilton, the national police lead on hate crime, has called “floating hate” – hiding in plain sight until, “for some people, the referendum vote gave them licence to spread their hate”. And now the 35-year-old mother wonders whether all that hard work – in a factory, for the minimum wage, despite a Masters degree from Krakow University – was for nothing. “Since the referendum,” she says, “My partner and I are thinking about leaving Boston.” “Among my friends,” adds the waitress, “five families have already left the country.” Fear and Loathing in Great Britain This is partly because they wonder if a Brexit Government will allow immigrants with less than five years’ residency to stay. But it’s also because of “the hostility”. Already, for the past year, the 35-year-old and her partner have been driving to Spalding or Lincoln to do their supermarket shopping. In Boston, she says, “you can’t ask your husband one question in your own language, because someone will look at you like: ‘I want to kill you.’ “But we work hard, pay our taxes – so we are paying for their pensions. We spend money here, so we help the British economy. “If we left, how many factories around Boston would shut because there would be no-one to work in them?” “Nigel Farage,” she sighs. “There was a lot of propaganda. Someone has to explain to the British the real situation.” Brexit racism and the fightback Show all 9 To understand the force with which this is said, we might have to return to the beginning, to the start of our tour of what officialdom sometimes calls “migrant worker towns and countryside”, to the pleasant Cambridgeshire town of Huntingdon. In the suburb of Stukeley Meadows, the sun shines on comfortable, substantial modern houses. A child’s party balloon drifts in the summer air. Yet it was around here, on the morning after the EU referendum, that someone distributed laminated cards saying: “Leave the EU. No more Polish vermin.” Cards distributed in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire Across the flat fenland fields lies Spalding, Lincolnshire, the main town in South Holland, the district that recorded Britain’s second-highest Leave vote – 73.6 per cent. Here, there is tragedy. Police tape cordons off the Castle Sports Complex. Three people have died in a shooting. Local schools were, for a time, in lockdown. Residents are terrified. And Ukip county councillor Victoria Ayling is telling the Daily Express about gang warfare involving Russian and Albanian criminal gangs in Lincolnshire. The first reaction of locals upon hearing of the shooting, she says, was "Oh God, it's the gang warfare again". Read more Read more Incident by incident – the grim litany of post-Brexit hate crime Yet it turns out only Britons were involved. Lance Hart, 57, is thought to have shot dead his wife, daughter and himself after learning his marriage was over. The involvement of Russian-Albanian gang warfare seems conspicuous by its absence. Not to worry: Ms Ayling is tweeting: “Freedom of speech is dead. Am subject to a barrage of abuse just because I dare to report residents’ concerns about cause of shooting.” She also offers a link to the Daily Express story headlined: “REVEALED: Warring migrant gangs engaged in bloody turf war near site of Spalding shooting. “Warring gangs of migrant workers have been responsible for a spate of shootings” it says. “The Ukip councillor [Ms Ayling] revealed she has been informed of a sharp rise in shootings, including reports from hospital staff about the number of Eastern Europeans attending A&E with gunshot wounds.” There is a line in the article making clear the Spalding shooting was unconnected to gang warfare, so let us not dwell on the bafflement of a Lincolnshire police source who told The Independent: “It’s so untrue, it’s perplexing how it got printed. “Shooting incidents are incredibly rare in Lincolnshire. The idea of gunfights between East European gangs is totally false.” But let us show due deference to Ms Ayling. After all, she says she is “very tempted” to run to become the next leader of Ukip. German woman didn't leave her house for 3 days after the Brexit vote for fear of being abused And so, 15 miles up the A16, to Boston, which pipped South Holland to record the UK’s biggest Leave vote, with 75.6 per cent in favour of Brexit. In the Fenside council estate, we chat to the first group of people we see enjoying the sun in their front garden. A tattooed 57-year-old grandmother of 16 rises from her chair and points to the other houses in turn. “Polish,” she says. “Polish… Polish, Polish, Polish… All down our street. They should send the f***ing lot back.” “They took all the English jobs,” she says. “Kids can’t get spaces in the schools. They can’t get houses. But if you’re Polish, you get moved in straight away…” You wonder whether you are hearing an early draft of a Nigel Farage newspaper article, perhaps his October 2015 offering, in which he wrote: “Our schools, hospitals and infrastructure are already reaching breaking point” – “breaking point”, of course, being the slogan for his referendum campaign poster, the one showing a flood of non-white refugees, all seemingly heading for Britain. Nigel Farage unveils the infamous ‘Breaking Point’ poster during Britain’s EU referendum campaign (Rex) There’s no denying Boston’s immigration levels. Oxford University’s Migration Observatory has recorded that between 2001 and 2011 Boston experienced a 467 per cent rise in its foreign-born population, the highest proportional increase in the UK. In January the Policy Exchange think-tank rated Boston the least integrated town in England. “Invaded?” says the 57-year-old former potato picker. “Yeah. It weren’t like this years ago.” “You are frit of them,” she adds. “People get murdered in Boston. A lot of Polish are stabbing each other.” And their black relatives are attacked too, one of them bottled for no reason by the intimidating, “badly racist” louts who drink by the banks of the River Witham. “Some women don’t even dare walk to the cash machine,” says John, a 72-year-old who left school at 14 to work on the land. They’re not racist. How could they be with all those black relatives, and in one woman’s case, an Angolan partner? And at points during the conversation, the “send the f***ing lot back” line does waver. “There’s good ‘uns,” acknowledges the 57-year-old. “One of ‘em works in a factory, brings me meat every Wednesday…” But in almost the next breath she admits: “Hate? Some of ‘em, yeah. When my family’s boys come home beaten up.” Yet amid all these strident views, there seems to be little engagement with mainstream politicians who might put the pro-immigrant case. The 57-year-old comes from a Labour voting family. Did she vote in the referendum? “Did I f***! [However you vote] nothing happens.” Read more Read more Three race hate crimes every hour since EU referendum, say Met Police But both she and her 61-year-old aunt nod in vindicated agreement when you read out: “Local children cannot get in their selected schools … People don’t know if they are living next door to rapists, murderers and paedophiles. Boston has double the national average of sex crimes…” The words of Elliott Fountain, of the far-right English Democrats, written in 2011, shortly after he was elected – alongside ex-BNP man David Owens – as a borough councillor for Fenside. “David Owens, he was all right,” says the 61-year-old. They urge you to take a walk down West Street: “It’s Polak Street now.” We stop for directions from a 47-year-old ex-Army corporal who spits out the words: “Too many f***ing foreigners. West Street? Most of the legal high drugs are sold there. Polish, Russians, riddling this town with drugs. There’s this shop ...” And yet when you get there, the fabled “Polak Street” looks disappointingly like many other British shopping streets: a Pizza Hut, a Ladbrokes, a Co-op. And the shop selling legal highs: yes, they sold them, until the Government banned them. And though the staff may be Polish, the owner… British born and bred. But West Street does have a European Market store, and a Polish butcher, and a Polish restaurant, next to a Lithuanian patisserie. So ignore the fact that those alien "invading" Lithuanians are proudly displaying the competition-winning cake they baked for the Queen’s 90th birthday. Widen it out to the whole of Boston, as the BNP did in January 2015; take seven photos – one of them of an Asian grocery shop – put them next to each other and you too can say: “Take a look at the photographic montage which illustrates how Boston is almost lost in a sea of Eastern European occupation.” When constructing a racist narrative, it always helps to build from a small kernel of truth. Manchester tram abuse As Jakub, 25, a thoughtful Polish-born shopkeeper, acknowledges when talking about the louts drinking by the river. “It’s like every stereotype,” he says. “Some people came here to escape from the law, from payment for kids in Poland. Things like getting drunk make them a stereotype. But it’s only one part of the people who are here. Just as not every Muslim is a bomber.” Similarly, the Lincolnshire police source may be astounded by the English Democrats claim that Boston has double the national average of sex crimes – “I’ve worked here 10 years and never heard that figure.” There may also be caution about newspaper reports that used Home Office statistics to rate Boston the “murder capital” of the UK, with 15 murders or attempted murders per 100,000 residents: “The problem with per capita figures is that many Boston population statistics aren’t accurate [because of the influx of immigrants].” But there is an acknowledgement: “Boston has had its fair share of violence. Not shootings, but there have been stabbings. It’s well documented that some people involved in that come from other cultures.” Indeed the local newspaper has – entirely legitimately – put on its front page a story about a Lithuanian accused of stabbing to death a 61-year-old German in Fenside. Because murders make headline news. While "East European goes to work, does job, goes home, causes no trouble" is daily life, not a front page scoop. As for that East European having stolen a British job: the angry ex-corporal may talk about immigrants “taking all the jobs and working for £4.50 an hour”. But when you speak to someone actually involved in recruitment in Boston, you are told: “For every one British applicant, there are 20 to 30 Europeans.” Read more Huge rise in anti-immigrant hate crimes caused by EU referendum, police chiefs warn Hate crimes surge by 42% in England and Wales since Brexit result Brexit: BBC journalist called a 'n****r’ as post-EU referendum race hate crime spikes It’s “absolute crap” that East Europeans are taking British jobs, “absolute rubbish” that he and others are hiring them on sub-minimum wage rates – the law would be on to them if they did. And Boston’s unemployment rate is comfortably below the national average – bearing out studies which found areas with higher employment rates for immigrants also tended to have more of the UK-born population in work. And yet, somewhere in Boston, two Polish mothers seem less than confident such anti-racist counter-narratives will prevail. Instead they fear a younger generation will learn from their parents’ hatred. “Three days ago,” says the 30-year-old, “my friend’s son, about 15 years old, was talking to another Polish boy, at school, in Polish. The English boys started punching them.” “How long,” she asks, “are we going to stay here with this aggressive behaviour towards us? Imagine, now, all the Polish, all the Latvians leave the UK |
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24 Mar 19 - 04:57 PM (#3984416) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jos Strange that one petition has suddenly taken off - is it down to Twitter and Facebook? As well as the one with 5.27 million votes (so far), on the first two pages of the government’s list of thousands of petitions I found the following: Revoke Art.50 if there is no Brexit plan by the 25 of February 147,652 signatures Grant a People's Vote if Parliament rejects the EU Withdrawal Agreement 141,192 signatures Hold a second referendum on EU membership. 118,949 signatures Stop Brexit if parliament rejects the deal 31,759 signatures Repeal the EU Withdrawal Act to Prevent Accidental No-deal Brexit 14,351 signatures Halt Brexit For A Public Inquiry 12,446 signatures And for balance, supporting the other side I also found these: Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019. 529,977 signatures Parliament must honour the Referendum result. Leave deal or no deal 29/03/19 102,181 signatures Walk away now! We voted for a No Deal Brexit 36,147 signatures Ban the EU flag from UK Armed Forces uniforms. 18,454 signatures Leave with No Deal if Parliament rejects the EU Withdrawal Agreement. 5,929 signatures |
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25 Mar 19 - 02:32 AM (#3984470) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll I have been involved in protest marches and petitions for most of my adult life, I can honestly say I have never at any time seen a march or petition have the effect Saturday's one has - it has become an immediate talking point, among politicians, in the press and on the media When over a million people jam up the London streets on a single issue the Government will have to listen - if they don't, any clims of democracy will be a total farce Instead of referring to what those people are demanding, Theresa May is now negotiating a deal with Boris the Groper and Lord Snooty PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE MARCH Jim Carroll |
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25 Mar 19 - 02:32 AM (#3984471) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll I have been involved in protest marches and petitions for most of my adult life, I can honestly say I have never at any time seen a march or petition have the effect Saturday's one has - it has become an immediate talking point, among politicians, in the press and on the media When over a million people jam up the London streets on a single issue the Government will have to listen - if they don't, any clims of democracy will be a total farce Instead of referring to what those people are demanding, Theresa May is now negotiating a deal with Boris the Groper and Lord Snooty PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE MARCH Jim Carroll |
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25 Mar 19 - 02:38 AM (#3984472) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Mr Red If you can find space among all the russian bots. Now why would the Russians want to undo what they have already spent a lot of time and money doing? They might be considered perverse but they ain't stupid, stupid! The only thing that Brexit has proved is that there are people prepared to argue for the sake of arguing. Ironic - what? |
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25 Mar 19 - 02:45 AM (#3984474) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: DMcG I thought Stephen Barclay's comments on Andrew Marr about as anti-democratic as you could get. If Parliament votes to take control of the agenda on Monday and on Wednesday by some miracle comes to a common view, Barclay made clear the government would only accept it if it happened to be to support May's deal. Of course, there is a lot of talk and posturing at the moment, so what is stated may not reflect reality, but as a stance it is pretty dubious. |
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26 Mar 19 - 10:46 PM (#3984711) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Steve Shaw The government's response to the petition was highly predictable. I object to two remarks in the response, first that the government won't "disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote" - the referendum did not and could not give the government "an instruction" - and second, the bullshit about 80% of those who voted in 2017 voting for pro-brexit parties; I don't vote on single issues in general elections and I disagreed with the stance of both parties on brexit, yet I still voted for one of them. The underlying assumption that the votes in that election somehow confirmed the mandate of a government who couldn't even get an overall majority is utterly without foundation and is outrageously dishonest. And I must say that the government claiming that, in taking us out of the EU, it is working to deliver an exit that benefits both leavers and remainers alike is just laughable. |
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27 Mar 19 - 02:24 AM (#3984720) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: DMcG I agree with all that, Steve. It is a favourite fallacy of the Brexiteers that since 80$ or so voted for a party which supported Brexit that implies most people support Brexit. It is sophistry of the lowest order, and to make that argument shows the speaker either foolish or dishonest. |
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27 Mar 19 - 03:29 AM (#3984722) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Backwoodsman I've been searching gov.uk recently for the section in the Bill where it clearly states that the result is 'advisory only' and is not binding on the government. In the aftermath of the referendum, I located it several times but I didn't bookmark it - bugger, damn and blast!! However, in my recent searches, I've been unable to find it. If I had a particularly suspicious nature, I'd probably be inclined to think that a devious and deceitful government of the kind we currently have has removed that section from the on-line documentation. Surely not? Why on earth would they do that? (Anybody know the HTML for a 'Tongue-in-Cheek' emoticon?). And, after three years of wriggling, obfuscation, and bare-faced lies, the Leavers are still lying to us - including lying by the government in the email received overnight from the 'Petitions' site. As Steve has pointed out, the Referendum was not an 'instruction' to the government, it was an advisory expression of opinion yet, in the email, they claim they have no option but to Leave, because they have been 'instructed' by 17 million voters. Another bare-faced lie in a long list of bare-faced Leave lies. Oh, how we Brits laughed when Americans lost all sense and reason and elected Trump as their president! The Yanks are definitely getting the last laugh now - at us. |
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27 Mar 19 - 04:24 AM (#3984728) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains Hansard: 27 June 2016 Volume 612 3.31 pm The Prime Minister (Mr David Cameron) With permission, Mr Speaker, I will make a statement on the result of the EU referendum. Last week saw one of the biggest democratic exercises in our history, with more than 33 million people from England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar all having their say. We should be proud of our parliamentary democracy, but it is right that, when we consider questions of this magnitude, we do not just leave it to politicians but listen directly to the people. That is why Members on both sides of the House voted for a referendum by a margin of six to one. and yet remainiacs still argue it was merely advisory and could be ignored! The remainiacs are so wrapped up in their efforts to overturn the majority vote they do not care if democracy is destroyed in the process. IF brexit is frustrated the next election will destroy the 2 major parties. Then we can have a proper party dancing on their ashes. |
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27 Mar 19 - 04:35 AM (#3984729) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: The Sandman Sorry but what Cameron said was incorrect legally , that means it is the law, the law states the referndum was advisory,parliament has the last decision |
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27 Mar 19 - 04:45 AM (#3984730) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Stanron Any law on the legality of referenda is irrelevant. The Government made a promise to the electorate that they would implement the result of the referendum on leaving the EU. If they break that promise they expose themselves as liars. What's that saying about sowing something and reaping the result? |
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27 Mar 19 - 04:59 AM (#3984732) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: The Sandman The European Union Referendum Act 2015 – the law that allowed the referendum to take place – didn't specify what would happen in the event of a vote to leave. ... It said “because of the sovereignty of Parliament, referendums cannot be legally binding in the UK, and are therefore advisory”.Oct 11, 2017. it might be an object lesson not to believe, Cameron, there were other lies told about the referendum during the campaign, such as increased money for spending on the NHS. THE GOVERNMEMNT MADE PROMISES, they know thes promises could not be implemented legally, that is not my fault |
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27 Mar 19 - 05:05 AM (#3984734) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll Now knowing what Brexit will and is already bringing about in Britain, that is an exercise in gross lemmingism Stanron It is utterly undemocratic to refuse the British people the right to confirm or reject the previous decision based on what they now know Lat night the BBC announced that a survey has shown that many leavers have now changed their mind and now wish to remain in Europe and that, if the referendum was re-run there would be a clear majority to stay If that is true, then it would be the cabinet, not the British people who would take Britain out of Europe Even if it were only a possibility, any country describing itself "democratic" are obliged to test it An Government who hides behind Government drawn up laws to refuse the British people a choice on such a decision as this has to be considered an oppressive power Jim Carroll |
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27 Mar 19 - 05:15 AM (#3984738) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Backwoodsman David Davis (failed former BrexShit Secretary) in 2012 - "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy" End of. |
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27 Mar 19 - 07:26 AM (#3984741) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Stanron The left has an interesting history when it comes to political parties promising one thing and delivering something else. The Lib Dems are vilified as a result of promises about tuition fees which they were forced to break when they became junior members of a coalition but Labour is totally absolved from promising no tuition fees at all to get elected then introducing them when they were elected. I'm sure someone will explain to me why this is not hypocritical double standards. |
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27 Mar 19 - 07:35 AM (#3984743) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Steve Shaw "The Government made a promise to the electorate..." Sure, Stanron. "Made a promise." So let's make a list of "government promises" that never came about. Shall I start? Immigration would be reduced to the tens of thousands. The deficit would be paid off by 2015. Care fees capped at £72000. How long have we got? It's as easy as pie to cherrypick the 'promise" that you agree with. But even the least cynical among us know bloody well that "government promises" don't anount to a hill of beans. Let's hope this one, a promise that Cameron was not entitled to make in any case as he couldn't bind the next administration that might not have been his, goes the same way. |
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27 Mar 19 - 07:37 AM (#3984744) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Steve Shaw And didn't he "promise" to enact Article 50 the day after the referendum in the event of a leave vote? |
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27 Mar 19 - 08:42 AM (#3984750) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Backwoodsman Aha! I've re-discovered it - in the House of Commons Library Briefing Paper No. 07212. To save others spending time searching, here's the applicable piece in Section 5 regarding the type of referendum into which the 2016 EU Referendum falls.... "This Bill requires a referendum to be held on the question of the UK’s continued membership of the European Union (EU) before the end of 2017. It does not contain any requirement for the UK Government to implement the results of the referendum, nor set a time limit by which a vote to leave the EU should be implemented. Instead, this is a type of referendum known as pre-legislative or consultative, which enables the electorate to voice an opinion which then influences the Government in its policy decisions. The referendums held in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 1997 and 1998 are examples of this type, where opinion was tested before legislation was introduced. The UK does not have constitutional provisions which would require the results of a referendum to be implemented, unlike, for example, the Republic of Ireland, where the circumstances in which a binding referendum should be held are set out in its constitution." For anyone - in particular, in-denial Brexshitters - who might be sufficiently interested in what the precise status of the referendum was, rather than rely on their own creatively-over-fertile imaginations, it can be found here. |
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27 Mar 19 - 09:51 AM (#3984756) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Mossback Oh, how we Brits laughed when Americans lost all sense and reason and elected Trump as their president! The Yanks are definitely getting the last laugh now - at us. The very last thing this Yank is doing is laughing at the Bresit catastrophe OR Trump and his gang of criminals. |
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27 Mar 19 - 10:01 AM (#3984759) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Backwoodsman Yeah, my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that, Mossback! Far from laughing, those of us with a fully-working brain were horrified! |
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27 Mar 19 - 10:16 AM (#3984761) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker "The Government made a promise to the electorate that they would implement the result of the referendum on leaving the EU. If they break that promise they expose themselves as liars." or even if merely irresponsibly incompetent making stupid damaging promises because they aren't good enough at their jobs... It's good to see consensus at mudcat that the tories are a useless bunch of idiots and liars... |
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27 Mar 19 - 06:38 PM (#3984829) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Steve Shaw Could be six million by sparrow's fart tomorrow... |
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27 Mar 19 - 07:15 PM (#3984841) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: The Sandman THANKYOU BACKWOODSMAN, for confirming that which i have been banfging on about |
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28 Mar 19 - 09:29 PM (#3984964) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: robomatic "If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you. . ." |
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29 Mar 19 - 03:51 AM (#3984984) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains Today UK democracy died. Requiem |
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29 Mar 19 - 03:55 AM (#3984986) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jos Were they trying to tell us something when they decided to have the debate on the petition on April Fool's Day? |
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29 Mar 19 - 05:37 AM (#3984995) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll Fascinating conversation with farmers fuming of the bumwipe Daily Excess headline "A dark day for Democracy" in or local paper shop an hour ago One farmer who I know hates the the May Government demanded of me "What the ***** going on in your country - the only one over there with any balls is a woman - you're going to end up being run by eunuchs, my cows have got more balls that that shower of bastards have Another said, "How can it be democracy to drag six Irish Counties out of Europe when they voted against it?" I had to tell him, "that'show what they think democracy is over there" Don't know about a dark day - a great, if embarrasing morning to buy a newspaper Britain is now the leading laughing stock on the planet I will live to see a United Ireland and the fall of the United Kingdom, it would appear- never thought I'd live that long Jim Carroll |
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29 Mar 19 - 05:50 AM (#3984996) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll Mustn't get the old man who said "And they think Paddies are t'ick" Great speech by Michael D last night slagging off Brexit and Europe, pointing out how neither give a toss for ordinary people Jim Carroll |
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29 Mar 19 - 10:29 AM (#3985037) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker .. well if e can't at least have a wry laugh in difficult times... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEyTLRcNNMU |
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29 Mar 19 - 10:30 AM (#3985038) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker "we"... |
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29 Mar 19 - 11:10 AM (#3985043) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll "we"... E's fine PFK as long as it' not accompanied by 'bah goom' Those wrong-side-of-the Pennies johnnies need to learn their place Great clip - we really do need something to laugh about Jim |
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29 Mar 19 - 11:12 AM (#3985044) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll Pennines, of course - Pennies are going to be a bit on the short side if this fiasco succeeds |
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29 Mar 19 - 11:41 AM (#3985045) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker Jim - last week's news bulletin, if you've not already watched it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IL2XwSkFJQ |
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29 Mar 19 - 11:54 AM (#3985046) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll Jay-sus - I really needed that Best piece of satire for along time - pity is's so close to the real thing Made my day **** the rest of the garden JIm |
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29 Mar 19 - 11:58 AM (#3985047) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker Jim - well we can have our little cheeky banter 'disagreements', and the occasional real one.. but deep at core we care about very similar things... |
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29 Mar 19 - 03:07 PM (#3985075) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll "but deep at core we care about very similar things..." Never doubted it for a second... I'm even prepared to bite the bullet over your poor musical tastes :-> Jim Jay-sus - I really am having trouble posting to this forum - must be something I said |
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29 Mar 19 - 06:05 PM (#3985087) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Steve Shaw The forum has been very frustrating for two or three days. Like an old crock... |
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30 Mar 19 - 12:52 AM (#3985107) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Backwoodsman Ah, it's not just my wi-fi or iPad then! |
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30 Mar 19 - 01:07 AM (#3985109) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Backwoodsman I've been having to use the awe. server, haven't been able to get in at all on the 'normal' route. |
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30 Mar 19 - 02:05 AM (#3985111) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker I just refresh until I get in... |
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30 Mar 19 - 02:07 AM (#3985112) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Bonnie Shaljean Same here. Takes ages to load, or hangs until it times out. Backwoodsman, can you give me the full address of the awe server? I haven’t used a mirror link in so long that I’ve no idea what it is now. |
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30 Mar 19 - 02:24 AM (#3985115) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Backwoodsman I just typed 'awe.mudcat.org' in the search box in Safari, and then bookmarked it for future use. That was...ooooohh....a long time ago! |
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30 Mar 19 - 02:56 AM (#3985116) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker We had a list of alternative alphabetic ordered servers but I forget the names, and can't remember if we were advised by mods to try them, or stop using them...??? |
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30 Mar 19 - 03:42 AM (#3985119) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll So relieved I'm not alone in having trouble I was beginning to think that somebody up there didn't like me or that Tommy Robinson's Raiders had teamed up wit Putin's bloggers and finally brought the forum down Jim |
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30 Mar 19 - 01:02 PM (#3985135) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker Taken me since 3.00pm to get in here.. .. random attempts between mugs of tea and toilet visits.. it's now 4.59pm....... |
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30 Mar 19 - 01:08 PM (#3985137) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker ..and previewing and submitting posts has been a right PITA for several days now... |
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30 Mar 19 - 01:28 PM (#3985139) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll I suspect there has been a major overhauling in the also few days - well worth the wait, if that's the case Let's not make too much of an issue of it The're an old Australian joke - How do you know when Brit Plane has landed at the airport - you can still hear the whining after the engines have been turned off :-> Nice to talk t'yall again fellers Jim |
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30 Mar 19 - 01:39 PM (#3985142) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll "also few days -" Must lay off the cooking sherry "In the last few days", of course Jim |
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30 Mar 19 - 01:41 PM (#3985143) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Bonnie Shaljean Having a trillion things to do, and resolutely not doing them, I went to PFR's brilliant YouTube clip of the "news broadcast". WOW. Jonathan Pie totally nails it. Saved me a lot of swearing. For today. Thanks also to Backwoodsman for that awesome awe.mudcat.org link, which works much better on my devices than the regular URL, enabling me to procrastinate far more efficiently. (Can't settle down and concentrate on anything anyway.) Now if you'll excuse me, I've got some crochet hooks that urgently need sorting by colour. Then there are those paperclips waiting to be counted... Fave tweet of the day: I voted Remain, but not for political reasons. My mum's moved to Spain and I want her to stay there. |
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30 Mar 19 - 02:50 PM (#3985146) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker not as astute or cruelly amusing as Pie.. but one of these had to turn up eventually... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-1gWw0beww [actually as both weere posted on the same day, this seems possibly 'inspired' by the pie bulletin...???] |
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31 Mar 19 - 02:56 AM (#3985208) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll Another winner PPR - genius I watched 'Dowwnfall' (great name for Brexit) last week - Bruno Gantz must be chortling in his newly dug grave (brilliant display of acting) Jim |
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31 Mar 19 - 05:56 AM (#3985218) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Bonnie Shaljean Petition's just hit six million. |
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31 Mar 19 - 06:04 AM (#3985220) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains If the referendum result is not honoured why would anyone pay the slightest attention to a petition? Is a petiiton more meaningful than a referendum ? If an MP cannot honour an election pledge where do we go next? Time for an election but it will not happen because the MPs have more loyalty to their party than to their country. Yet they call each other honourable. What a farce! |
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31 Mar 19 - 06:12 AM (#3985222) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll It has just been suggested in Murdoch's bum-wipe Sunday Times that not only can Parliament not agree that the Cabinet is no longer functional due to splits Next job - draw lots to see who is going to be eaten to feed the crew Jim Carroll |
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31 Mar 19 - 06:26 AM (#3985223) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains Tory Election manifesto 2017 Britain has always been a great trading nation. Trade will continue to be crucial to our future growth and prosperity. As we leave the European Union, we want to negotiate a new deep and special partnership with the EU, which will allow free trade between the UK and the EU’s member states. As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible. Leaving the European Union also means we will be free to strike our own trade agreements with countries outside the EU. In english this means No customs union with the EU |
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31 Mar 19 - 12:49 PM (#3985256) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll BREXITEER'S ANTHEM Jim Carroll |
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31 Mar 19 - 01:48 PM (#3985258) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker By now anyone in their right minds are sick of the bunch of arseholes in parliament... Any remaining good sensible politicians, labour or tory, are being f@cked over by all the rest of the self serving wankers and fanatics... Increasing mass voter discontent is the best opportunity for ukip and the far right to exploit and capitalise upon.. How much closer are we getting to their threatened civil war and a farage & tommy dictatorship...??? .. and my toilet's blocked up.. bollocks.. just bollocks to everything..... Can life ever get any better than this...?? |
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31 Mar 19 - 04:08 PM (#3985267) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: The Sandman Brexit: Can the United Kingdom Change Its Mind? Series: Brexit: The International Legal Implications Published: January 25, 2018 Author: Helen Mountfield Download PDF This paper addresses the question of whether, as a matter of law, Brexit is now unstoppable, without the agreement of the remaining 27 members states of the European Union. In other words, what would happen if, on a date before March 29, 2019, Parliament were to conclude that Britain should not leave the European Union, despite notice of its intention to do so having been given by the prime minister on March 28, 2017? There are two parts to this question. The first is whether a formal (and legally binding) decision to leave the European Union has already been taken as a matter of national constitutional law, or whether all that the prime minister has done so far, and all she has had statutory authority to do, is give notice of the present government’s intention to leave. On this matter, this paper’s view is that a further act of Parliament, not just an indicative vote, is needed before a constitutionally valid decision can be taken to leave the European Union. If no such statutory authority is given before March 29, 2019, no constitutionally valid decision to withdraw has been made, and, in any event, the government could withdraw the notification of an intention to leave the European Union and decide to remain. The second issue is whether, as a matter of EU law, a member state that has given notice of an intention to leave the European Union is bound to leave, or whether it can nonetheless withdraw the notice and decide, unilaterally, to remain. This question requires close consideration of the text of article 50, and what it might mean, and close consideration of the Miller decision. While this paper argues that the better view is that article 50 is unilaterally reversible before the two-year notice period contained in article 50(3) has expired, there is no case law on this question. On this, should it be tested, the Court of Justice of the European Union would be the ultimate arbiter. |
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01 Apr 19 - 03:32 AM (#3985301) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll "just bollocks to everything....." Hope they don't hang too low if your toilet's blocked Jim |
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01 Apr 19 - 07:01 AM (#3985327) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains As an aside! Flora Loip, the BBC’s Director of Commissioning said: We are thrilled to licence Guido’s content to the BBC. The Guido Fawkes brand is a strong news brand and the BBC has been wanting for some time to synergise our content aligning our core competencies in this dynamic and exciting new partnership. |
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01 Apr 19 - 07:10 AM (#3985329) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: DMcG Flora Loip, the BBC's Director of Commissioning said And Flora Loip is an anagram of april fool... |
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01 Apr 19 - 07:16 AM (#3985330) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Bonnie Shaljean Yes, nice to see her again. Anybody heard from Avril Betts lately? |
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01 Apr 19 - 07:19 AM (#3985332) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Backwoodsman Or Betty Swollocks? |
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01 Apr 19 - 07:28 AM (#3985333) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: DMcG I was reminded of Keith (RIP) posting how a BBC comedy was a serious documentary on how to avoid a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. As we have said before, taking Guido as a reliable source (which is where the post was copied from) is unwise without applying some crucial awareness. |
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01 Apr 19 - 07:39 AM (#3985334) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Iains I suspect it had a few fooled for a minute or two! |
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01 Apr 19 - 07:52 AM (#3985336) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: DMcG I suspect only one! |
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01 Apr 19 - 08:03 AM (#3985338) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Steve Shaw "The custom is that pranks can only be perpetrated until twelve o'clock noon. After that time, anyone who tries to play a prank is himself (or herself) the fool." The attempt at the prank in this thread arrived one minute after noon UK time. |
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01 Apr 19 - 08:15 AM (#3985340) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll "I suspect it had a few fooled for a minute or two!" As you proved when putting it up You are guilty of many things but possession of a sense of humour is certainly not one of them Jim Carroll |
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01 Apr 19 - 08:46 AM (#3985343) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker "The custom is that pranks can only be perpetrated until twelve o'clock noon. " bugger that then, I set my alarm for 13.00pm and have only just woke up [2 very late night movies on netflix..] Jim - the poo pond nearly broke over the rim by mere millimeteres.. Why aren't bog brush handles ever long enough..??? So lads, always remember to stand up before flushing... |
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01 Apr 19 - 10:29 AM (#3985351) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll OFR If you ever come across a copy of 'The Tenants of Moonbloom' by Edward Lewis Wallant (author of 'The Pawnbroker') avoid it like the plague It's about tenants of a NY slum are eventually drowned by blocked drains Will work out som lavatorial jokes later Jim |
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01 Apr 19 - 10:44 AM (#3985353) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll "Mummy, mummy, can I lick the bowl ?" "No dear, pull the chain like everybody else" Jim |
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01 Apr 19 - 11:59 AM (#3985359) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: punkfolkrocker Jim - if anyone accuses us of starting to lose the plot in this thread, we are still nowhere near as stupid as parliament... A little lavatorial humour is quite appropriate when so many MPS have their heads rammed so firmly up their own rear ends, or are dependant on licking DUP arses... |
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01 Apr 19 - 01:14 PM (#3985370) Subject: RE: BS: UK: Petition to Parliament re Brexit From: Jim Carroll "A little lavatorial humour is quite appropriate" A Tory minister has just written off the cabinet as the most disorganised in iis experience One step forward, two steps back Jim |