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04 Apr 19 - 03:56 PM (#3985944) Subject: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: DaveRo Sat 6th April 2019 20:00 Charles Parker: Radio Pioneer |
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10 Apr 19 - 08:11 AM (#3986720) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: GUEST,Jack Campin That was really good. Two things that surprised me:
Parker was born three days after my father. Nice to able to pin his generation down that precisely. I wouldn't have guessed he started out as a conservative Christian and never really dropped it. They could have been more explicit about what actually happened when he was sacked. |
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10 Apr 19 - 08:30 AM (#3986728) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: Jim Carroll "Epigones" It seems the perwsitant attack on somebody thirty years dead has now been extended to those guilty by association WEhen will yhou people never learn - if you don't know ort understand what MacColl was about - leave him to lie in peace As Peggy said, in her leter to'The Livin Tradition' - "He's no longer around to defend himself If MacColl behaved to otherees the way you peoplestill do to him, he would have deserved twice as much shit poured on his memory than he is still getting MacColl never attempted to 'persuade' any of those who work with him to sing in any way other than their own - we worked as a Group that shared ideas and opinions Jim Carroll |
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10 Apr 19 - 09:01 AM (#3986735) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: Jim Carroll Sorry for the typos, but I'm sure it will give somebody pleasure to chew on Did it in a hurry Jim Carroll |
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10 Apr 19 - 09:25 AM (#3986739) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: GUEST,Jack Campin That weird vocal trick was a defect on otherwise brilliant soundtracks. Do you think differently? Would you WANT it repeated? |
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10 Apr 19 - 10:47 AM (#3986760) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: Jim Carroll I've yet to hear the programme Jack, the BBC doesn't like people living in Ireland listening to their programmes on line I was referring to your small-minded necrophobia Jim Carroll |
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10 Apr 19 - 10:54 AM (#3986762) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: Jack Campin You haven't heard the Radio Ballads???? |
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10 Apr 19 - 01:15 PM (#3986786) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: Jim Carroll Heard them all - and the actuality that went into making them I understood this was a programme on Parker - The Radio ballads were groundbreaking programmes - prizewinners, still regarded as the best made on the lives of working people - many of the songs made for them have become standards MacColl's singing is a matter of personal taste - I likes it from the fisrt time I heard him sing and have all the records - his ballad singing was superb in my opinion Hisd early recordings (which he couldn't bear to listen to himself) showed signs of a natural vibrato which he was fully aware of and fought against, (unlike some revival singers who cultivated it) My response was to the typically nasty remark on his attitude to those he generously chose to work with (while those who spent a great deal of time knocking him) got on with their careers MacColl and the Group left behind them nearly ten years of workshop generated research on the singing of folk songs - utterly unique, as far as I can see It's thanks to snide attitudes such as yours that these remained largely unused and unexplored - more than a little disappointing considering the state of a folk revival that appears to have lost its way Jim Carroll |
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10 Apr 19 - 02:49 PM (#3986793) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: Vic Smith Jack wrote:- thank god he never persuaded any of his epigones to follow suit. I'm not sure that "epigones" is the right word here, Jack. To me it carries quite a perjorative impression. One of my dictionaries defines it as "an inferior follower or imitator" I think that "adherent" or even "follower" on its own might be better in this context. If we consider the members of the Critics Group, though there are some who sounded, certainly at the time, like "impersonators", it is not difficult to name people who were active in taking what MacColl had to offer and then built on it to make themselves more rounded performers. Names like Frankie Armstrong, Bob Blair and Sandra Kerr come to mind as those who blossomed into some of the finest that the folk scene has heard. |
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10 Apr 19 - 04:23 PM (#3986797) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: Jack Campin Yes, Sandra Kerr and Frankie Armstrong were two people who I couldn't imagine ever making that braying noise. I can't imagine where MacColl got the idea. |
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10 Apr 19 - 04:53 PM (#3986799) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: GUEST,Hootenanny Jack, could it be that there were a few sheep around on Kinderscout. On a more serious and important note the Beeb appear to be going through a "folky" phase. This Friday evening they have a programme on BBC 4 Television "Rock Island Line" and the recording that REALLY gave the folk scene a kick start here in he UK. Bily Bragg is presenting. I am not a fan of his music but I have to say he did an excellent job with his recent book. The following Friday there is on the same channel a programme on Woody Guthrie and I don't believe that is a repeat of any previous programme. |
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10 Apr 19 - 05:07 PM (#3986800) Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April From: DaveRo Rock Island Line: The Song That Made Britain Rock Woody Guthrie: Three Chords and the Truth |