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13 May 19 - 05:33 PM (#3992195) Subject: BS: native american: Hopi Wedding (photos) From: keberoxu I hope I can get this link to work. The story is from the Arizona Republic. Inside a traditional Hopi wedding |
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14 May 19 - 05:48 PM (#3992416) Subject: RE: BS: native american: Hopi Wedding (photos) From: keberoxu One of the attractive qualities of the photojournalism story in the previous post, is its respectfulness. Unless I'm mistaken, the journalist who submitted the story is of Hopi descent. Although in some of the striking photos, miniature figures of kachinas may be seen in family homes, the story does not expose ceremonial secrets or beliefs that might seem exotic or sensational. The emphasis throughout the report is on the communal, the familial, and the handcrafted homemades aspects of the occasion. The two households joined in marriage appear to be of extremely modest means, and the materials and items with which they celebrate also appear modest. I found the article really moving. |
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14 May 19 - 09:34 PM (#3992448) Subject: RE: BS: native american: Hopi Wedding (photos) From: Rapparee I'm assuming that everyone in the pictures gave permission to the photographer to take them and use them. I'm a bit of a stickler for that sort of thing -- no Indian*, no Amish, no nobody, should be photographed without permission. And "no means no." Each of the ceremonies probably had a religious significance; I know the corn meal did, as do the directions. You see, in a about three weeks I'm going down the Cortez, CO to curate some Anasazi artifacts.** I've been refreshing my knowledge of Hopi and Navaho does and don't -- well, all the Pueblo peoples. As a guest I don't want to offend if I can help it. *"Call me an Indian. Better yet, call me a Pottawatomi. But anyone born here is a "Native American." Don't call me that." -- Bill, to me, about 1998. I never knew his last name, as he said it went against his beliefs. **I'll fly back to SLC from the cruise on Chesapeake Bay and drive right on down. Pat's going to a college reunion in Philly and then home. |
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15 May 19 - 12:31 PM (#3992528) Subject: RE: BS: native american: Hopi Wedding (photos) From: meself Fascinating. |
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15 May 19 - 06:17 PM (#3992576) Subject: RE: BS: native american: Hopi Wedding (photos) From: keberoxu One has to click one's way deeper into the provided link, it turns out, to see all of the photographs. Inside the link with the story/report, there is a further link to "25 photos." The story/report has perhaps nineteen photos total. Inside the further photo-link, and the photos omitted from the printed verbal article, there is a photo outdoors in daylight, in which the photographer stands above ground at a respectful distance, and photographs men disappearing down a ladder into an underground kiva. That is the closest the photographer, or the reporter, take us to the ceremonial center of communal Hopi functions. We do not peer down into the opening at the ladder, nor are we taken into the underground space. These are briefly spoken of, and then the story moves on. |
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15 May 19 - 09:08 PM (#3992592) Subject: RE: BS: native american: Hopi Wedding (photos) From: Rapparee I have been in a (long, long unused) kiva at Chaco. Actually, I've been in several, some of which were unroofed. They are round rooms with a ledge around the inside for sitting, some have two ledges in a step fashion. You enter and leave through what also functions as the smokehole. Kivas were and are sacred to different groups, although some are shared. Usually those entering had to take a sweat bath first. |
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16 May 19 - 06:55 PM (#3992691) Subject: RE: BS: native american: Hopi Wedding (photos) From: robomatic I have driven through the American Southwest including Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, and a few other areas. Beautifully haunting. In one park where the seasons were transitioning I was visiting and camping pretty much on my own. I could imagine dinosaurs browsing in the canyons among massive natural bridges and winding streams with pale green fronds touched by morning humidity quickly dispelled after sunrise. I don't remember which of the tribal areas it was, but I saw some local ceremony with a lot of people throwing candy. It was charming. It was the same neck of the woods where you could find blue corn meal. Thanks for the link. |
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16 May 19 - 11:07 PM (#3992704) Subject: RE: BS: native american: Hopi Wedding (photos) From: Rapparee If there was blue piki bread it was Hopi. Blue cornmeal is available even here, but I wouldn't try to try to make paper-thin piki bread! |
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17 May 19 - 06:35 PM (#3992830) Subject: RE: BS: native american: Hopi Wedding (photos) From: robomatic Yeah, this was a bunch of years ago before it became a boutique fad item. I bought some at a trading post and it might have been a blue corn masa rather than regular corn meal. I really liked the food of the area and the old Anasazi/ Hohokum structures and the driving for miles leaving dust trails (for miles). Kind of like a warm version of Alaska with spicier non-muktuky foods. |