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28 Jun 19 - 03:47 AM (#3998151) Subject: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman Does anyone remember an eccentric in the sheffield area who used to sit in club with an imaginary dog and occasionally bark. anyone else remeber any other interesting eccentrics with dogs, oh yes grisweld the super dog here A ventriloquist says he was quizzed by police for more than an hour after a woman claimed his PUPPET made lewd comments to her in the street. David Sampson, 67, says a woman reported him after his dummy - Grisweld The Super Dog - hid down his trousers and was heard asking her to "have a feel". He is alleged to have made the comments while he handed out leaflets for a Red Nose Day event outside the Bulls Head pub in Rugby, Warks., on February 14. The former musician and comedian, who has not been charged, denies that the comments were made - because Grisweld "doesn't talk". The dad-of-three was stunned when he received a letter on April 29 outlining the allegations and inviting him for a police interview. Mr Sampson, who has been a ventriloquist for five years, claims he was interviewed for more than an hour at Rugby Police station in Warwickshire on May 3. Mr Sampson, of Brinklow, near Rugby, Warks., said: "Grisweld and I were distributing leaflets at the time, and I was making jokes to passersby to raise interest in our event. "The woman claimed that Grisweld gave her a lot of sexual abuse, and then hid in my trousers and said 'why don't you come and have a feel of this, missus?' "But he would never do that, and I certainly wouldn't either. "Grisweld doesn't talk, he never has done and never will do. "And even if he did, he's a polite character anyway. "Whenever he's appeared he's always under the vet, he's lost his bark, he doesn't speak. "He's like Sooty. My dummy can't speak. "It's impossible for him to fit in my trousers, especially as I was wearing a coat at the time. "The woman even described him as an emu in her statement, which shows how little she knows about it." Mr Sampson says he was initially questioned by police days after the woman reported him for sexual abuse. He added: "Two police officers came to see me on a Saturday morning and took my statement about the meeting in the street. "Then I had an email saying they would like me to come to the station and make a recorded interview. "I said I didn't want to do that, then a PC came round the following day and said that if I didn't do a recorded interview voluntarily I would have to be arrested and taken down to the police station. "I didn't make any offensive comments, and neither did Grisweld. "At the station, I just said I hadn't done anything. I thought 'I'm not going to take Grisweld with me'. "I had already spoken to the PC and pointed out that Grisweld could not physically get into my trousers. "I have not been arrested, I have not been charged and I have not been put on police bail either. "I think, in an age when you have robberies and break-ins that the police are not bothering to investigate, it's absolutely ridiculous to go to all the trouble of taking any action whatsoever. "Had this happened, I would have expected it to have been reported back in February. It seems like the obvious time to report Grisweld. "I will do whatever I can to fight for justice. We were trying to do something good for charity, so for it to end up like this is just awful. "Grisweld is definitely innocent, okay. "He did raise nearly £300 for Comic Relief, but I would imagine the cost to the taxpayer of that interview the other week - employing two officers to listen to it for an hour and a solicitor - would have probably cost more than we raised for Red Nose Day. "It's a disgrace." |
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28 Jun 19 - 04:26 AM (#3998157) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Joe Offer Great story, though... |
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29 Jun 19 - 03:05 AM (#3998309) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: r.padgett Regarding the Sheffield eccentric ~ yes we had some interesting times at Whitby ff ~ we went for a meal and he had a joke dog's collar on a lead ~ he proceeded to order food for the dog (at least pretended to) upset the waitress ~ o dear ~ he wrote little song booklets ~ he was Brian the milkman ~ remember having a Meep Meep workshop in the Metropole (don't ask!) Not seen him for some years now Ray |
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29 Jun 19 - 05:16 AM (#3998320) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: JHW Are we supposed to list all FC eccentrics? Some might be offended. |
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29 Jun 19 - 07:04 AM (#3998336) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Grisweld was present when we last performed at Dave's club in Rugby. Robin |
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29 Jun 19 - 09:14 AM (#3998347) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST,guest What a disappointment that the 'eccentric' you give so many tedious lines to is just yet another boring misogynist. Unbelievable in 20019. Les Barker is one who hasn't resorted to such unnecessary hostility towards the majority of the population. The Sheffield prat is an idiot and doesn't deserve the respect of the description of eccentric. For people in the UK tonight at 8pm on R4 a programme about such people will probably draw attention to several eccentrics, several will be women, who have more class than to attack the opposite sex. |
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29 Jun 19 - 09:25 AM (#3998348) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman I am unaware that taking an imaginary dog to a folk club is anything else but eccentric , how is that misogynistic? if he has committed some other offence that i am unaware of when posting, is that relevant?or how i supposed to know. |
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29 Jun 19 - 09:33 AM (#3998350) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST,guest What?? I don't think you have read the first part of the post. You conveniently ignore that. He is just another misogynist, of which there are legions. They don't deserve space here. |
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29 Jun 19 - 11:34 AM (#3998363) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman What??What are you talking about |
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29 Jun 19 - 11:46 AM (#3998364) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Jeri You know what it feels like when you're being wound up? It feels like this. Trolls don't have to make sense. It works better if they don't, so you have to respond to set them straight. I seriously wish people would get some different hobbies. |
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29 Jun 19 - 12:48 PM (#3998371) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST Oh dear. I am shocked about the response. I am not a troll, just offering a normal response to offensive content about a sexist prat. Says a lot about the folk scene and how unwelcoming it is. It would be refreshing to hear about people not having to defend schoolboy behaviour when they are in their dotage. By people also in their dotage. Grow up! |
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29 Jun 19 - 01:52 PM (#3998375) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST,Cj My dog's got no nose. How does it smell? Awful. Sorry if anyone finds that sexy. |
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29 Jun 19 - 02:21 PM (#3998381) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman guest. You know nothing about Dave Samson and the case involving his daughter who was allegedly a rape victim, yet you call him a misogynist and a sexist prat, you are very wide of the mark. guest cj..did anyone apart from you say anything was sexy?this was posted by DaveSampson .Last week I received a phone call from Detective Inspector Manze of the Metropolitan police. He told me he was in charge of the Fixated Threat Assessment Centre. (I had used the Freedom of Information Act to find out who was in charge.) He told me they had not ordered Rugby police to arrest me in May 2008. I was getting ready for work when I was arrested at my home. I phoned solicitor Richard Best who said he would meet me at Rugby police station. I found out later , that he had gone to the police station and was told it was not a criminal matter as the Fixated Threat Assessment Centre had ordered I be held. I was held in a secure unit for 4 months. They claimed I was going to murder the Chairman of Warwickshire Police Authority. As a result of my arrest & being held I lost my full time job at MEL Secure Systems. I met with Mark Pawsey MP a few weeks ago and about a week ago he passed me a letter from a Home Office minister Sarah Newton MP slagging me off. I have been subjected to a smear campaign by people connected with Warwickshire Police & the former Warwickshire police authority. As I was detained in the West Midlands I have also sent a copy of a new letter I have written to Mark Pawsey MP to Dave Thompson The Chief Constable of West Midlands Police. The reason someone wanted me held prisoner was because I had taken civil court action against the then Chairman of Warwickshire Police Authority. On July 3rd 2008 I missed the civil court case at Rugby court as I was being held against my will. In November 2004 Sergeant Philip Growden of Rugby police pleaded Guilty to misconduct at an IPCC tribunal after we complained about him. Despite attempts by BBC News & The Mail on Sunday to expose my family's problems with the police nothing was resolved. I have been subjected to serious abuse by Warwickshire police. I have also found out from Lord Goldsmith that they had withheld evidence from the CPS about a serious crime which took place in Brinklow. I now hope there will be a proper criminal investigation into a number of former Rugby police officers & former members of Warwickshire police authority. I think the people have a right to know the truth about how the Independent Police Complaints Commission has failed to deal properly with serious corruption by police. It is over 2 years since I made a speech about police corruption in the Houses of Parliament and still this government hasn't done a thing about it. Please copy & paste my message and send it to your MP. Dave Sampson |
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29 Jun 19 - 02:26 PM (#3998383) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Severn Does the dog do any otherexen-tricks? An imaginary dog walks into a pub on Folk Night (on you pick how many legs) and the eqally, if not more so, imaginary bartender says..... They were soon joined by a priest, a nun, a rabbi, a duck, a kangaroo and a termite, some eccentric, others easily offended...... |
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29 Jun 19 - 02:53 PM (#3998386) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman GUEST GUEST YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT David Sampson , yet you had the gall to call him a misogynist, if you have read the above i hope you are ashamed of your ignorant remarks |
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29 Jun 19 - 03:39 PM (#3998394) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Big Al Whittle Is this THE Dave Sampson ftom the Wurzel Bush folk club on the Coventry ring road? |
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29 Jun 19 - 04:23 PM (#3998399) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Raggytash Many. many years ago I was at Bracknell Folk Festival. The security guy was a complete pain in the proverbial. He worked for "Bank Security" and he and his ill tempered Alsatian dog managed on the Friday and Saturday to upset a good many of the wonderful people there. On the Sunday morning one of the good people turned up wearing a Safari suit short pants and a "military jacket" and wearing a badge that said "Wank Security". He also had a starched lead with no dog. I don't know who he was, but if he ever reads this, thank you, oh thank you, oh thank you |
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29 Jun 19 - 05:03 PM (#3998408) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: JHW Bit of a dissappointment to see I still haven't got a mention... |
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29 Jun 19 - 05:16 PM (#3998410) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman yes Al |
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29 Jun 19 - 05:22 PM (#3998411) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Jack Campin Please somebody put this thread out of its misery. |
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29 Jun 19 - 05:35 PM (#3998415) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Big Al Whittle Right said thread... |
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29 Jun 19 - 07:02 PM (#3998423) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST,Nick Dow There was Thin John T. Do you want to tell them Dick or shall I? (He was alright when you got to know him, wonder what happened to him) |
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30 Jun 19 - 12:16 AM (#3998442) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Big Al Whittle Eccentric Dave Sampson may have been - but he sure knew how to run a superb folk club. I've lost count of the amazing acts I saw courtesy of Dave. Come to think of it, I think he ran The Roebuck on Erdingtpn High Street as well. Carthy, Capstick , Derek Brimstone, Sidney Carter, Vin, Jeremy Taylor, Ian Campbell, Waterfall, loads of others. We weren't best mates or anything. I don't think he was keen on what I did - I was just starting out - there wasn't much to be keen on.But he wasn't pushy, he'd always help you get a floorspot and present you. And he wasn't out to use his club to launch his own career. I heard he had his problems - but bloody hell! It was the 1970's - the only ones not having problems were dead from the neck up. |
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30 Jun 19 - 03:44 AM (#3998457) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST,Cj Seeing as though this David Sampson stuff was initially reported over two years ago, do you think he’ll thank you for dragging it all back up, Dick? Especially when you’re posting all sorts of other, far more serious cases, alongside it, as though they’re connected? Do me a favour and don’t bring up my apple stealing conviction of 1979 |
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30 Jun 19 - 03:49 AM (#3998458) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman Absolutely agree Al, someone who ran and is still running a successful folk club, in my opinion a lovable eccentric., and who was helpful to floorsingers. as far as i am concerned eccentrics make the UK folk scene more colourful and interesting. Nick Dow as you very well know, Thin John was my half brother, you asked what happened to him? he died after a long and not very pleasant illness similiar to Alzheimers, i find the tone of your e mail offensive and unpleasant |
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30 Jun 19 - 03:52 AM (#3998459) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman cj, i know Dave and have stayed in his house recently, since he was talking about it then a lot, I am confident he wants lots of people to know exactly the problems he has had with the police |
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30 Jun 19 - 04:08 AM (#3998464) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman cj , furthermore an anonymous guest accused Dave of being a misogynist, as i know him personally and know that he has said to me in the past, that he wants people to know about the injustice he and his daughter and family received from the police. i thought it necessaary to mention it, to counter the ridiculous slur that he was a misogynist. As for Nick DowS comment,A nasty spiteful remark |
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30 Jun 19 - 04:25 AM (#3998467) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST,Nick Dow No offence Dick! I had no idea he had passed on. As I said he was a decent man when you got to know him, and my post was really tongue in cheek. He was an eccentric, but in a very pleasant way, unlike it seems his illness. So lets forget this one and I hope you accept my apology for unintended offence. |
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30 Jun 19 - 04:49 AM (#3998474) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman JHW wants to be mentioned. Many years ago Isaw JHW THREE SHEETS to the wind, he was sailing along and he managed to walk through a live electric fence unscathed while singing a long ballad, despite receiving a shock he showed a stiff upper lip and carried on singing without hesitation deviation or repetition, A YORKSHIRE ECCENTRIC |
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30 Jun 19 - 04:53 AM (#3998477) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Acorn4 Surely all the eccentrics are here on Mudcat? |
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30 Jun 19 - 06:58 AM (#3998504) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST Les Barker and his non-imaginary dog, Mrs Ackroyd, while she lived. No longer with us - Jake Thackray and Don Minifie, who died last September, who lived in Kent in the 1970s in a house called 'Les Gonads'. A friend online paid tribute to his eccentricity and humour. |
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30 Jun 19 - 01:23 PM (#3998557) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST,Starship Could someone other than Dick Miles please explain why this stuff is in the music section? Thank you. |
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30 Jun 19 - 03:29 PM (#3998571) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Jeri "Unclassified/General Music" Although the fighting part of it is making it seem like it ought to be in "BS". |
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30 Jun 19 - 03:44 PM (#3998573) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Big Al Whittle Well I suppose its hard for some people to comprehend, but the folk clubs and what we created in them have been a major part of our lives. And the folk clubs, not just the dickheads on BBC4, are something that enabled and initiated our creativity. Ordinary people - not just the stars of Glastonbury, and the people written about in Froots. Ordinary people. And the weird experiences and oddballs that these folk clubs inevitably brought to the surface was part of the buzz that meant you didn't sit at home with your parents like the poor sods in the Royle family. |
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30 Jun 19 - 04:10 PM (#3998574) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST,Starship Thank you Jeri and BAW. |
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30 Jun 19 - 04:39 PM (#3998582) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Big Al Whittle well folk music isn't all crochets and quavers, its people... and some very weird buggers frequently turned up. There was Mike (spoons) Sealey in the folk clubs of Exeter and Exmouth. There was a bloke called Nail at Andy Caven's club in Walsall. I think they would have fitted in better with folk clubs nowadays. I popped into a folk club tonite but they were all involved in playing a dismal folk dance tune - all the violins out of tune. In a way, the weirdoes have finally won. Mike and Nail would have fitted in well with that lot. |
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30 Jun 19 - 04:55 PM (#3998585) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: GUEST,Starship They exist all over the world, Al. :-) |
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30 Jun 19 - 04:57 PM (#3998586) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: JHW Ah yes the electric fence at Malton...by gum aye...how did I do that? |
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30 Jun 19 - 05:13 PM (#3998593) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman jhw, those were the days we sang walked though electric fences walked on pints of sam smiths, lived it up and had a good time, we enjoyed ourselves, we were not wondering about being stars or being on x factor or being the flavour of the month on the uk folk scene , x factor did not exist |
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01 Jul 19 - 04:37 AM (#3998641) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Acorn4 I used to have an uncle who used to say "There are too many sane people in the world". |
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01 Jul 19 - 09:55 AM (#3998687) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: The Sandman acorn 4 do 9ii know you you r from midlands?have we met inthe loony bin |
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01 Jul 19 - 01:32 PM (#3998721) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Acorn4 Sandman - I think our paths have probably crossed - are you sure we're not 2 of the sane ones? |
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01 Jul 19 - 01:40 PM (#3998723) Subject: RE: Folk Club Eccentrics From: Andy7 "... all the violins out of tune." (BAW) One of them might have been in tune! ;-) |