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05 Jul 19 - 03:52 PM (#3999440) Subject: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Big Al Whittle A friend of mine who hasn't got much money revealed to me that she had in her possession some pre decimal coins. occasionally i seem to see this stuff on craft and antique stalls. does anyone know where she could raise a few quid for her old coinage? I thought someone on mudcat would know. |
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05 Jul 19 - 04:10 PM (#3999442) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Raggytash I suspect Al that unless it is in pristine condition she won't get very much for it........... unless she has a good deal if it. Mint condition coins are sought after, others tend to be worth a pittance. |
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05 Jul 19 - 04:53 PM (#3999455) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: keberoxu If I knew a joke about Mike Pence, I'd post it here. |
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05 Jul 19 - 05:47 PM (#3999463) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: robomatic My first trip to England I was exposed to the 'old' system. Being young and alert and mathematical, I found it not only quaint but a lot of fun. Explained a lot of the references from Dickens and Conan Doyle and The Goons. The very next year they'd shifted to the New Pence and the decimal system and a lot of the small prices hadn't changed, I don't remember specifically which ones, but possibly tube entrance was the same number New Pence as it had been Old. Which meant a 140% boost in real value. |
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05 Jul 19 - 09:31 PM (#3999483) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Joe_F When I was in Britain (1958-1959), one still had the amusement of calculating the tip on a restaurant bill of 2 pounds, 7 shillings, & fourpence, and, when traveling, of heavy pocketfuls of pennies, of which a pay phone needed four. The pennies & halfpennies were not only large but remarkably long-lived; ones with Queen Victoria on them were not uncommon. |
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05 Jul 19 - 11:11 PM (#3999486) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: beardedbruce Some of us in the US collect a subset of the old UK coinage. I have crowns, half crowns and florins. There is a large market for sovereigns and guinas (Sp?) but most others cost more to mail or ship than they are worth. An Angel would be nice to get! |
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06 Jul 19 - 02:48 AM (#3999494) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: BobL Any quiz question involving pre-decimal coinage is a gift for the over-sixties... |
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06 Jul 19 - 02:53 AM (#3999495) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: DMcG Indeed, BobL. When I look back at my primary school education it is quite horrifying just how much of the time was spent adding lists of pounds, shillings and pence together and then sharing them between three or more fictitious characters. |
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06 Jul 19 - 04:21 AM (#3999498) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Dave the Gnome Have a look on Ebay, Al. Doesn't look like your friend will make a lot I'm afraid. |
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06 Jul 19 - 11:52 AM (#3999513) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Big Al Whittle 42 pounds 16 shillings and seven pence three farthings multiplied by seventeen. oh! the fun we had! It wasn't all free milk and Singing Together.... |
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06 Jul 19 - 12:17 PM (#3999521) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Steve Shaw A system built on twelves makes a lot more sense than a system built on tens. You can divide 10 only by 2 and 5. You can divide 12 by 2, 3, 4 and 6. |
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06 Jul 19 - 12:22 PM (#3999524) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Raggytash Personally Steve I can divide 12 by 5 !!!! |
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06 Jul 19 - 01:27 PM (#3999534) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: punkfolkrocker so which king was it had 12 toes then...??? |
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06 Jul 19 - 02:20 PM (#3999547) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Dave the Gnome I can divide 12 by 5 You can indeed and it makes the average amount of children! :-) |
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06 Jul 19 - 02:51 PM (#3999558) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Big Al Whittle twelve toes...not a clue! |
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06 Jul 19 - 03:15 PM (#3999561) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: punkfolkrocker Al - i don't know either... But aint that how we used to get our weights and measures...??? the number, size, and girth of royal appendages... |
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06 Jul 19 - 03:29 PM (#3999564) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Steve Shaw Ten toes and two bollocks. That should cut it. Oh...hang on... |
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06 Jul 19 - 03:42 PM (#3999568) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Dave the Gnome Steve, Steve, Steve! I've been looking for a non serious thread that you were on so I could make two Morrisons recommendations Cornish Camembert and Mossers signature Barbera D'Asti. Both bought from the Swinton store today and both sublime. I have now retired so not even on a bonus :-) |
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06 Jul 19 - 03:48 PM (#3999571) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Dave the Gnome Oh, and lightly salted tortilla chips but they are not quite in the same league. |
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06 Jul 19 - 03:50 PM (#3999572) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Raggytash Congratulation on your retirement Dave, however I hope you realise that you will now be classed as part of the great unwashed sponging off the government by some on here. |
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06 Jul 19 - 03:56 PM (#3999576) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Dave the Gnome I am a proud unemployed benefit scrounger, Raggy :-D |
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06 Jul 19 - 04:17 PM (#3999582) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Rusty Dobro 'Rule Britannia, Two tanners make a bob, Three make eighteen pence, And four two bob.' Hope that makes everything clear.... |
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06 Jul 19 - 04:21 PM (#3999584) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: punkfolkrocker An older relative gave each of us kids in the family a plastic commemorative presentation case displaying all the new coins.. Obviously I prized them all out and spent 'em... Parents weren't too happy when they found out... |
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06 Jul 19 - 05:19 PM (#3999596) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Murray MacLeod Steve Shaw is perfectly correct that a numerical system based on twelves would make a lot more sense than our system based on tens. We would of course have to invent two new symbols to represent the numerals ten and eleven. |
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06 Jul 19 - 05:23 PM (#3999597) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Steve Shaw Cheers, Murray! Rusty, I learned it as: 'Rule Britannia, Two tanners make a bob, Three make one-and-six And four two bob.' |
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06 Jul 19 - 05:39 PM (#3999598) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Mr Red check the dates silver before 1947 contained silver - can't remember how much. But are worth finding out about, maybe 40 times face value depending on the price of silver. Pre 1920 the silver content was even higher 92.5% - Sterling Silver - hence the appellation to UK currency "Sterling". Before decimalisation you could still find the odd coin of silver instead of cupro-nickel. I used to check - always. Some coins were issued without the date, they are probably worth a little. see Gaurdian article |
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06 Jul 19 - 08:41 PM (#3999608) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Steve Shaw When I were a lad we'd always check our small change for rarities. Pennies dated 1912 that had a letter H next to the date were sought after, as were 1918H and 1919KN pennies. 1950 pennies, and especially 1951 pennies, were seen as quite valuable. Very few 1933 pennies were ever struck and you'd be quids-in big time if you found one, though you might have to demolish the foundations of a bridge to find it... |
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07 Jul 19 - 11:34 AM (#3999689) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: robomatic A system of ten when you've got a ten based numerical system makes sense. You can divide ten by any of the numbers.... just go into decimals. Man up, man! I thought the ha'pnees and farthings and all was a lot of fun when I was there, though. And the weirdness in big heavy coins with small value, the itty bitty sixpence,etc. Someday we'll look back on foot-pounds feet and miles with the same sense of disbelief. |
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07 Jul 19 - 11:48 AM (#3999691) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: punkfolkrocker Brian may used silver sixpenny bits as plectrums... That's why they might be harder to find and more expensive to collect... Millions of his fan boys need to copy his gear... |
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07 Jul 19 - 12:32 PM (#3999696) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Nigel Parsons The information above about silver content is good (except 'sterling' silver coins are 1920 and earlier, so pre-1921) You used to be able to get eight pounds for 1920 pennies. (but that was mathematical value, not rarity value) |
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07 Jul 19 - 03:03 PM (#3999731) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Raggytash Nice one Nigel!! |
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08 Jul 19 - 11:09 AM (#3999807) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: FreddyHeadey robomatic ... But what's the big deal with dividing by ten? If we used base twelve(two extra symbols) then dividing by twelve would be the big deal. People would say "Wise up, man, just move the duodecimal point." ;) It won't happen. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've got a Japanese import vehicle, odometer in km. I buy petrol in litres. ! I still want to know how many miles it does to the gallon. |
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08 Jul 19 - 04:08 PM (#3999878) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Nigel Parsons 16 ounces to the pound, 14 pounds to the stone 12 inches to the foot, 3 feet to the yard, 22 yards to the chain, 220 yards to the furlong, 8 furlongs one mile. 12 pennies to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound. Back in pre-decimal, and pre-metric, days children learnt their times tables, and needed to know how to use them. Even Europeans seem to sell eggs by the dozen (easier to pack), but we used to know that if an egg was threepence, then a dozen was three shillings. |
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10 Jul 19 - 07:06 PM (#4000246) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler You can divide 10 by three but you need an infinitely long piece of paper to write the answer down. Robin |
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10 Jul 19 - 07:57 PM (#4000256) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: beardedbruce 3 1/3? |
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11 Jul 19 - 12:15 PM (#4000328) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Nigel Parsons or, in decimal notation, 3.33.. |
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11 Jul 19 - 12:19 PM (#4000330) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: punkfolkrocker or, in practical terms - go on then, let's round it down to threepence... |
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11 Jul 19 - 01:57 PM (#4000359) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Mr Red You can divide 10 by three but you need an infinitely long piece of paper to write the answer down. Simples. the answer is: "3 ...... Now what am I bid for this beautiful lonely item .................?" Or is it "3 and carry one" - sort of cash and carry........... I'll get my money bag............. |
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12 Jul 19 - 03:48 AM (#4000404) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: JHW Today's calculators and tills would have no trouble dealing with £sd so we might never have changed. |
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12 Jul 19 - 04:26 AM (#4000409) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Rob Naylor Nigel PRSONS: 16 ounces to the pound, 14 pounds to the stone 12 inches to the foot, 3 feet to the yard, 22 yards to the chain, 220 yards to the furlong, 8 furlongs one mile. 12 pennies to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound. I remember when I started doing a bit of programming in the late 70s, trying to explain Hexadecimal and Octal to my mum.....when I finished my explanation she said (in a broad yorkshire accent): "Oh, that's nowt then, tha coulda sed that it's nobbut ounces ter pahnds and stoans ter 'underdweights". I reckon those of us brought up on imperial measurements have a lot less trouble with base-shifting than people brought up in an almost purely base-10 world! |
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12 Jul 19 - 06:04 AM (#4000422) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Iains I remember when I started doing a bit of programming in the late 70s, trying to explain Hexadecimal and Octal to my mum Oh the joys of inputting 31 lines of bootstrap instructions into an HP 2100 by switching blocks of lights, on the front panel, on and off. Coupled with a TI keyboard,xy plotter and Linc tape drives it was the bees knees in 1974. The system did not like salt offshore or humidity in the jungle. |
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12 Jul 19 - 09:12 AM (#4000453) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Mr Red You had lights & Switches? You wus lucky............ We had to write it down on pre-printed paper and give it to the girls to punch the tape and wait a week to find the mistakes. Ours usually. In 1969 we had access to a mainframe with 16K of core (cf RAM now at 8 & 16 Gb) & we thought we wus luckky until 32K came along........... Then in 1972 ish we got to program the old 8080 on a developement system with switches and a teletype and punched tape. I learned my first programming lesson in never letting go of the remainders when I found a simple first order filter couldn't get to the asymptote. With a capacitor & resistor the remainder remains on the capacitor, but with integers..................... you still have to carry the remainder for the next iteration. And you know, when I worked for Smiths Industries (aircraft instrumentation) they reported the same problemo and they were gobsmacked when I asked (in a fraction of a second) "what they did with remainder"! Nothing new under the sun - is there? |
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12 Jul 19 - 09:32 AM (#4000458) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Rob Naylor Iain : Sounds like you worked in seismic exploration? ?? |
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12 Jul 19 - 09:38 AM (#4000459) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Nigel Parsons Back When I was a boy "We programmed in ones and in zeros" |
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12 Jul 19 - 05:18 PM (#4000544) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Iains Bob Naylor Related. I was supposedly detecting overpressure on wildcat wells with varying degrees of success. Even with computers it was still handballing the data on semilog graph paper and tinkering about with best fit. It was early early days for overpressure detection back then and if you got it wrong you took a kick(semi controlled blowout) As a sprog it was quite a challenge to persuade a hairy assed company man to up the mud weight and slow the drilling down on the basis of your gut feeling and a few contentious squiggles on a graph. It was not uncommon to just sitback and wait for the inevitable kick and well control situation. Sometimes they would get away and sink the rig, not that it ever happened to me. But my first intro to not red adair but his band of merry men was a kill well job in the Java sea in late 73 Even with a workstation and fancy software interpretation today is still not 100%, although knowledge and techniques have come on dramatically, and it is a discrete speciality today. |
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12 Jul 19 - 07:40 PM (#4000558) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Steve Shaw Or was it on the checkout tills at Asda? Bwahahaha! |
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14 Jul 19 - 02:10 AM (#4000649) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Jos A 1933 penny was sold three years ago. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36257107 |
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14 Jul 19 - 05:32 AM (#4000669) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Mo the caller Mr Red. In my first job we didn't use tape. Punched cards, easier to correct / modify. But oh dear, don't drop the pack on the way between office and computer room, especially if it hasn't been interpreted. |
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14 Jul 19 - 05:43 AM (#4000670) Subject: RE: BS: uk pre decimal money From: Mo the caller Ireland had predecimal coinage too, and the first time we visited ('68 honeymoon) they would take English coins too, but we kept a few Irish coins, as souvenirs. Next time (silver wedding celebrated with a trip to the Willie Clancy festival) it was punts and decimal coinage, not interchangeable. Though I think some shops took pounds too. We decided we'd be coming again so kept our spare notes. We did go again, but not till '08 and by then you couldn't change punts to Euros in the little local banks. Drat. For a while we hung onto the Euros, but when the Greek crisis blew up I gave them to my daughter to use before that system changed too. |