23 Sep 19 - 10:40 PM (#4010134) Subject: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Big Al Whittle I know this must seem strange, but it suddenly struck me that what we ought to do is look at the person we love most, write their obituary and read it to them. What is the point of waiting until someone is dead and then telling a lot of outsiders - some who scarcely know you? Surely the time to articulate the reasons you love and respect people is while they are alive, and they can hear what a miracle of joy their life has been to you. |
24 Sep 19 - 01:17 AM (#4010145) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: The Sandman Al not strange i would describe it as thoughtful or thought provoking |
24 Sep 19 - 01:43 AM (#4010146) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: The Sandman Obituaries are comforting for partners of those who have died |
24 Sep 19 - 08:55 AM (#4010237) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Steve Shaw I think you'll find that newspaper obituaries for prominent people are routinely written well before their deaths, so that the papers can get them into the next day's edition with just a few update tweaks. |
24 Sep 19 - 09:28 AM (#4010241) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Big Al Whittle True enough - they don't tend to be very prominent in my life. |
24 Sep 19 - 09:42 AM (#4010246) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: gillymor I let my wife know how much I appreciate and love her as often as I can and don't see any reason to bring the grim reaper into it. |
24 Sep 19 - 09:46 AM (#4010247) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Steve Shaw It's easier when you do the cooking... |
24 Sep 19 - 10:09 AM (#4010252) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Mrrzy When my grandfather was dying I wrote him a long letter about what a great grandfather he'd been. My uncle (his sirviving son) read it to him. I am truly in favor of that idea. On the other hand from my mom's obit I learned things about her that I had not known. For instance I remember doing origami with her, but had not known that years earlier she had sold original origami designs to the Japanese government. |
24 Sep 19 - 10:43 AM (#4010256) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: punkfolkrocker I thought obits were like a starting pistol for greedy distant relatives to decend on the deceased's house to strip it of valuables whilst searching for a will..??? |
24 Sep 19 - 10:44 AM (#4010257) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Steve Shaw As long as you don't write those long letters to people who don't know they're dying as yet... ;-) |
24 Sep 19 - 10:47 AM (#4010258) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Steve Shaw Could we not make up a cod obituary for the now belly-up Boris? Even a limerick would do. I have to go to Sainsbury's now though... |
24 Sep 19 - 11:10 AM (#4010261) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: meself Al, what you're talking about is often done at wedding anniversary and birthday celebrations, isn't it? |
24 Sep 19 - 12:34 PM (#4010273) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Jim Carroll "As long as you don't write those long letters to people who don't know they're dying as yet... ;-)" A Sergeant major Major suring National Service, reputed for his tactlessness was sent to inform one of his men that his mother had died He assembled the men on the parade ground, line them up and roarded - "Jenkins - your mother is dead" The recruit collapsed with the shock His superiors got to hear of it, called him in and reprimanded him severely Not long afterwards he was given the task of informing one of the men that both of his parents had died in a car crash He assembled the men on the parade ground, lined them up and roared: "Will every man with both parents still living take one step forward - not so fast Harris" Jim Carroll |
24 Sep 19 - 03:57 PM (#4010296) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Mrrzy Oh, Steve, I didn't *say* Now that you're dying, I just wrote a long appreciative letter. This was back when we used to write letters. Uncle Greg is going to get one of those soon, he's still alive and coherent. Grandmother didn't; first I did not appreciate her, but also she outlived her wits by about 15 years. Hardy old bat. Mom, another hardy-seeming old bat, didn't because she died suddenly. |
24 Sep 19 - 07:29 PM (#4010323) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Steve Shaw Wasn't it the estimable Dave Swarbrick who opened the newspaper one morning, only to read his own obituary? :-) |
24 Sep 19 - 10:12 PM (#4010347) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Mrrzy There's a song about that... |
24 Sep 19 - 11:14 PM (#4010350) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Stilly River Sage Some of the most fascinating reading in the paper can be in the obituary section. I worked at a weekly paper and regularly had to compose them from what people were telling me, others wanted to dictate long rambling treatises and though the paper makes money (Obits are a form of add, paid for by the inch) I would usually step in and suggest edits to smooth the content and make for better reading. No on was ever upset with the results, and sometimes they were incredibly grateful. There was one in my hometown paper in 2008 that was simply so amazing it got lots of remarks from readers that amounted to "I didn't know him, but I'm so pleased to learn about his life." His name was John Wayne Dappen, and if the family ever search on his name and discover this posted on Mudcat, all I can say is that I also wish I'd gotten to know him and appreciate his humor and candor (and the kids' as well). I made a PDF copy and have just copied to past it here:
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25 Sep 19 - 03:47 AM (#4010365) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Jim Carroll Finest last wishes I ever heard was by a local farmer with a somewhat colourful reputation and a large number of anecdotes about his behaviour "When I die, put me face down in the coffin so they can all come and kiss my arse" Jim Carroll |
25 Sep 19 - 04:46 AM (#4010375) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Neil D Then there was the old boy who went to put an obit for hiw wife in the local paper. When told they charge by the word he told them to print "Ellie Died". When told there was a 5 word minimum he decided on "Ellie Died Bike For Sale". |
25 Sep 19 - 05:02 AM (#4010380) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Steve Shaw Heheh. That's a cracker is that one, Neil. You could have embellished it for us Brits by replacing "old boy" with "Yorkshireman." :-) |
25 Sep 19 - 05:09 AM (#4010382) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Steve Shaw My great Auntie Florence, dead these last fifty years or more, is reputed to have looked ruefully into the grave of Auntie Smith, the woman who'd looked after my dad when he was a little boy but who Florence had never got on with, and said with a shake of the head, "Eee, Auntie, tha were a bad 'un but I'm sorry tha's gone..." |
25 Sep 19 - 05:17 AM (#4010386) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Mr Red Wasn't it the estimable Dave Swarbrick who opened the newspaper one morning, only to read his own obituary? Did Swarbie read the Telegrope? |
25 Sep 19 - 10:07 AM (#4010439) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Mrrzy Front of shirt: where the hell is Grinnell? Back: Who the hell cares? I had a friend went there. |
25 Sep 19 - 07:56 PM (#4010537) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Tattie Bogle No, it was Eric Bogle: unless there's more than one such incident. Apparently Tony Blair (remember him?) had said that "No Man's Land" was one of his favourite songs, "written by a young man who died in WW1". Eric loved to tell the tale at his gigs! (Eric is no relation of mine, btw!) |
26 Sep 19 - 03:04 AM (#4010557) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Ebbie There is a woman named Heather Lende in the small town of Haines, Alaska, about a 5 hour ferry ride from here in Juneau who has written the obits for their local paper for years, and several books, including one called "If You Lived Here, I Would Know Your Name". Good writer. She got me thinking one day and I decided to see if I could write a coherent obit for myself. I gave it up, shortly after the birth and (purported) death dates. Has anyone else here tried it? |
26 Sep 19 - 03:05 AM (#4010558) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: BobL There was considerable embarrassment for The Daily Telegraph newspaper when in April 1999 it published a premature obituary for Swarbrick after he was admitted to hospital with a chest infection. He commented, "It's not the first time I've died in Coventry." Cribbed from Wiki |
26 Sep 19 - 04:57 AM (#4010578) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Mr Red Yes and Swarbie had copyright permission to sell copies of his Obit at gigs. I guess the Telegrope had to let him after that. |
26 Sep 19 - 09:38 AM (#4010622) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Charmion I have written obits, and I always read them. One of the main uses of an obit is to identify for the community the closest relatives and friends of the deceased, and the reach of the extended family. Thus, a reader of the Ottawa Citizen might see a familiar family name, check the age at death, and scan the list of survivors to see if the deceased is, indeed, the parent of that kid who spent Grade 6 in the hallway in 1964. A little more detail shows that the horrible kid of 1964 managed to marry and produce a family of his/her own, and is still on this side of the sod. This information may or may not comfort the reader, but it at least rounds out one's perception of the world. |
26 Sep 19 - 10:20 AM (#4010637) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Steve Shaw The good stuff that men do lives after them; The bad is oft interréd with their bones... [Shilliam Wakespeare, commenting about obituaries] |
27 Sep 19 - 06:12 AM (#4010757) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Neil D Actually Steve, the way I heard the joke the old miser was a Scot. I was just trying to be politically correct. |
27 Sep 19 - 09:47 AM (#4010793) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Steve Shaw As a Lancashire lad I'd plump for the Yorkshireman interpretation every time, Neil. In the immortal words of the Oldham Tinkers, when standing on Owdham Edge: Neaw we’re touchin’ Yorkshire’s line, Aw can’t see owt past theer—but grime. |
27 Sep 19 - 12:01 PM (#4010809) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Newport Boy There was considerable embarrassment for The Daily Telegraph newspaper when in April 1999 it published a premature obituary for Swarbrick after he was admitted to hospital with a chest infection. He commented, "It's not the first time I've died in Coventry." Yes and Swarbie had copyright permission to sell copies of his Obit at gigs. I guess the Telegrope had to let him after that. I think the full story is that the Telegraph published the obit, which amused Swarb, so he had copies printed to sell at his gigs. He then received a 'cease and desist' letter from the Telegraph's lawyer, threatening action for breach of copyright. He asked them to try and continued selling the copies. Phil |
29 Sep 19 - 11:16 AM (#4011064) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Mrrzy I am afraid to write my obit. Sounds suicidal to me. Not the act, me. |
30 Sep 19 - 06:30 PM (#4011285) Subject: RE: BS: obituaries - their uses... From: Joe_F I wrote an obituary for my best friend when I thought he was dead. He got to read it, because he wasn't. |