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25 Nov 19 - 05:24 PM (#4021082) Subject: RE: Scout Songbooks Index PermaThread From: Steve Gardham Jack Could you please let me have the text of Gilwell's 1957 'Green and Yellow'? Whilst I'm here if anyone has any info on the song prior to the 50s it would be very welcome. I think I know who wrote the last verse but the other 2 new verses out of the 6 I would dearly love to know who wrote them. Strangely the nearest Henry my Son versions to the burlesque come from Somerset as collected by Sharp, but he doesn't seem to have published them, preferring versions of Lord Randall. |
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26 Nov 19 - 01:56 AM (#4021105) Subject: Lyr Add: GREEN AND YELLOW (Gilwell Camp Fire Book) From: GUEST,Guest Green and Yellow From Thurman & Hazlewood, The Gilwell Camp Fire Book. Pub. London: Pearson 1st edition (1957), Reprinted 1960. Mother: Where have you been all day, Henery, my son? Where have you been all day, my pretty son? Son: In the woods, in the woods, Mother do be quick, For I’m feeling very sick, And I want to lay me down and die. Mother: What did you do in those woods, Henery, my son? etc Son: Ate dear Mother, ate dear Mother, etc Mother: What ate you in the woods, Henery, my son? etc Son: Eels, dear mother, eels, dear Mother, etc Mother: What colour were those eels, Henery, my son? etc Son: Green and yeller, green and yeller, etc Mother: Those eels were snakes, Henery, my son? etc Son: Oh dear Mother, oh dear mother, etc Mother: What colour flowers do you want, Henery, my son? etc Son: Green and yeller, green and yeller, etc |
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26 Nov 19 - 12:33 PM (#4021200) Subject: RE: Scout Songbooks Index PermaThread From: Jack Campin ...and to not give credit where it isn't due, that GUEST wasn't me. |
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27 Nov 19 - 04:04 PM (#4021407) Subject: RE: req/ADD: Green and Yellow / Green and Yeller From: Joe Offer refresh - messages moved to this new thread. |
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27 Nov 19 - 05:35 PM (#4021435) Subject: RE: req/ADD: Green and Yellow / Green and Yeller From: Steve Gardham Very interesting. The Gilwell 6 stanzas seem to derive from a version on the 50s folk scene, which would be quite logical. There may still be people about who can shed light on how it passed from folk song to burlesque. 3 of those 6 stanzas do not appear in earlier oral tradition. (2, 4 & 5). (unless you know different!) Thanks, GG |
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27 Nov 19 - 05:53 PM (#4021445) Subject: RE: req/ADD: Green and Yellow / Green and Yeller From: GUEST,Martin Ryan I first heard this, as an Irish Boy Scout on only my second trip out of Ireland, at a Scout jamboree in the English Lake District - probably 1960. Curiously enough, one of my fellow scouts from the 45th Mount Argus on that ocasion was a lad called Tom Munnelly - who went on to become Ireland's foremost collector of traditional songs. Among his collection were several very rare Child Ballads. Many years later, having long lost touch with Tom, I started attending a Traditional Song Festival in Ennistymon, Co. Clare - organised by the man himself. It took several years for it to dawn on me why he looked (and sounded) familiar! Regards |
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27 Nov 19 - 06:07 PM (#4021448) Subject: RE: req/ADD: Green and Yellow / Green and Yeller From: Mrrzy Pete Seeger's children's records |
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27 Nov 19 - 06:14 PM (#4021449) Subject: RE: req/ADD: Green and Yellow / Green and Yeller From: Steve Gardham Thanks, Martin. I already have your version from an earlier thread. Yes, Pete seems to have had a hand in its popularity. One of the earliest versions I have came from him reprinted in Sing Out. He learnt it from a Londoner on the early folk scene. |
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28 Nov 19 - 02:48 PM (#4021510) Subject: RE: req/ADD: Green and Yellow / Green and Yeller From: GUEST Redd Sullivan used. To sing this, with great relish. |
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28 Nov 19 - 03:28 PM (#4021514) Subject: RE: req/ADD: Green and Yellow / Green and Yeller From: Steve Gardham Yes, the more I'm coming to the probability that it originated in London. Redd did our club in Hull many times, on his own and with MartinW. He once came with us to look at a half-submerged wooden keel in Goole, the last of its type, appropriately named Mayday. |