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06 Dec 19 - 02:30 PM (#4022517) Subject: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: Donuel Weasle words like possibly and partially are already trying to tone down the Detroit dock disaster with its water intake 50 yards downstream which had an enormous collapse of nuclear waste going back to 1941. Don't worry everything looks visually normal. More weasel words to come Thanks only to a local newspaper reporter did anyone learn the scope of the disaster called a "collapse" of aggregate material into the Detroit river. There has been 60,000 tons of radioactive waste stored on great lake shores but those slow leaks do not compare to what has been sucked into the Detroit tap watersystem. Thanks to the Windsor Star and ace reporter Debbie Downer did a few people learn they have been drinking Uranium juice. This occurred Nov. 26 and thank goodness Rick Perry's Energy Dept kept tongues from wagging about this nagging problem around the thanksgiving table. Actually they did not know until yeaterday. This is litterally a fluid situation for Detroit and downstream. I'd keep an eye on it |
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06 Dec 19 - 06:40 PM (#4022545) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: Rapparee What is your source for nuclear waste in Detroit in 1941? The Stagg Field pile was in Chicago and hence didn't operate in Detroit. As far as I know there was no radioactive materials in Detroit until many years later (save for those in chemistry labs, etc.). |
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06 Dec 19 - 08:09 PM (#4022553) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: Donuel I didn't think nuke waste was in Detroit either. This story is in between a local reporter and powers of denial and minimizers. I foresee a lot of back and forth before facts come out, most likely from Canada. There are reports the water was tested but no out right declaration that it's safe to drink. I added the ficticious name Debbie Downer There is no harm in getting imported bottled water until tight lips get loosened. Right now 2 weeks later, folks don't want to get in trouble more than help 40 million people downstream. I recall how slow the response was to Flint's lead poisoned water. I'm hoping its all a mistake-scratch that, - it already is a mistake-I hope there is no uranium in that pile of aggregate next to that single bucket loader. It looks like real small private contrator job. I've only checked half a dozen googled sources so far. |
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06 Dec 19 - 08:27 PM (#4022556) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: Donuel There is a difference* between old bomb making nuke waste and medical nuclear waste which is everwhere from hospital grounds to play grounds. (lots of cesium 137) They often look like glass wells with a thick glass cover. Not far from Ferguson Missouri there is nuke waste that is facing an impending underground fire and possible floods. The people are very sick, dead and dieing and have gotten a raw deal for years. *the difference is plutonium |
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06 Dec 19 - 08:47 PM (#4022558) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: Joe Offer Gee, this is the first I'd heard of it. According to the Detroit Free Press, the storage began in the 1960s or late 1950s, on the US and Canada sides of all the Great Lakes. According to the article (October 2018), "Spent nuclear fuel sits not far from the shores of four Great lakes - Michigan, Huron, Erie, and Ontario - at 15 currently operating or former nuclear power plant sites, including four sites in Michigan." I was born in Detroit and drank Great Lakes water 1948-70. My sister died of ALS two years ago, but the rest of us haven't had health problems that I'd relate to nuclear waste. Nonetheless, it's scary. I gather that most of the waste was from nuclear power plants, more on the Canadian side than on U.S. shores. All of those Rust Belt cities were drinking water from the Great Lakes. -Joe- |
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06 Dec 19 - 10:41 PM (#4022569) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: keberoxu Hmmmmmmm: "... the collapse had taken place on the property where the Revere Copper and Brass Company had manufactured uranium rods used in the development of the first atomic bomb |
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06 Dec 19 - 10:56 PM (#4022570) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: keberoxu sorry: the public computer kicked me off and I had to sign in again. The quote in the previous post is from a 6 December (that's this morning) editorial in the Detroit Free Press. Published with the only byline, The Editorial Staff. This piece identifies a reported named either Dave Battagallo or Dave Battagello (sadly, the editorial spells it BOTH ways, take your pick?) representing the Windsor Star. Now: looking at the OP, "nuclear waste going back to 1941" is the statement; this statement is misleading in its vagueness, maybe that's the problem? 1941 perhaps does not refer to storage? Perhaps it refers to the storage contents, and the storage occurred , erm ... later ... I'm losing steam here. No use getting all exercised over it, but: at the very least, greater clarity and precision are needed especially with a hot-button story like this one. |
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06 Dec 19 - 11:38 PM (#4022572) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: meself Jeesh, I grew up in Windsor - that might explain a few things ... ! |
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07 Dec 19 - 12:02 AM (#4022574) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: keberoxu and the computer kicked me off again. Well, I better not push my luck. That article from the Windsor Star is online, and can be linked to. The Windsor Star spells his name, Dave Battagello. And the date referenced in the article is not 1941, I looked for that number in particular, and it isn't present. The Battagello piece does speak of "the 1940's" when it says that Revere Copper and Brass had a subcontractor connection to the Manhattan Project. Is that what is implied by "going back to 1941", or was something else intended? |
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07 Dec 19 - 09:51 AM (#4022611) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: Donuel I can imagine a cleanup was ordered and some material was brought to the dock to be loaded on a barge to go somewhere. No containment, no tarp and total exposure to wind and rain with apartment buildings a half block away isn't how the energy department would handle hot isotopes and is clearly not a superfund site. Unless this was done on the down low OR all rules and truth were overlooked in the new Rick Perry budget rules OR it was just plain gravel. The Detroit newspaper has more reasons to make this story go away than Windsor. I would not have mentioned this story but for the reason it is a good example to watch as a cover up in real time. 1 a local tiny paper says something 2 a larger media with clients with something to lose tones down claims 3 the story is ignored and weasel words are heaped on 4 the watered down story is reported to be a silly mistake and evidence is removed. Sounds like the 1st chapter of the movie Dark Water so don't worry I'm not an engineer, I am an imagineer. |
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07 Dec 19 - 11:39 AM (#4022627) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: Jack Campin Medical nuclear waste couldn't exist until there were nuclear reactors to make it. But uranium had industrial uses long before the nuclear industry. Did they make Fiesta glazed pottery in the area? Or did they make instruments with radium dials? |
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10 Dec 19 - 06:57 AM (#4023058) Subject: RE: BS: Detroit not warned of water From: Donuel Its ben a week yet there are no test results released and nothing can be ascertained as of now YET the Detroit paper made the baseless headline that the water is safe to drink https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2019/12/06/uranium-detroit-river-bulk-storage-water/4351792002/ |