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24 Apr 20 - 08:54 AM (#4048096) Subject: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel I know why this thread may disappear in days. Americans are suffering from Trump fatigue to the point of completely giving up. The unfathomable ignorance has no bottom. We are shell shocked into submission. All we can do is to ignore. We need to look away. We know it is at our own peril. But There will be a renewed interest as the election is called into question or even be done. All the dirty tricks in the book will be in full force. The absurdity is to the point of abbandoning the sinking ship. Twice in the last 2 Republican Presidents the US is robbed by bail outs |
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24 Apr 20 - 09:06 AM (#4048101) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel A challenge. As repulsive as it is, look at the most recent photo of Trump you can find. COMPARE to photo of Donald getting off the bus at Access Hollwood after his pussy remarks. You will see two different men or you will see a dreadful deterioration. |
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24 Apr 20 - 09:14 AM (#4048104) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Barb'ry Sorry, Donuel, this post seems to be a clone of the one started last night. Could you copy your posts over to the 'real' one, please. |
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25 Apr 20 - 06:29 PM (#4048452) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Barb'ry I am so sorry, I closed this thread because I read the title without my glasses on/ when I was tired and mistook it for a replica UK politics post. Again, my apologies. |
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26 Apr 20 - 03:37 AM (#4048525) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Jim Carroll I the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed woman is queen Jim |
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26 Apr 20 - 04:00 AM (#4048529) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Dave the Gnome I said this on the UK thread but it's more suitable here A clergyman who injected himself with Domestos on the advice of the president has died. His family are sueing Trump for a bleach of the priest. |
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26 Apr 20 - 04:15 AM (#4048530) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Jim Carroll That's all white then Jim |
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26 Apr 20 - 04:51 AM (#4048542) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Jim Carroll A bit beyond the Pale though Jim |
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26 Apr 20 - 08:59 AM (#4048595) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: keberoxu Who was it who spoke of "leading lives of quiet desperation?" Okay, maybe not so quiet of late ... |
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26 Apr 20 - 11:01 AM (#4048636) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel We are entering the End of Growth. Even Wall Street is mortal. As they are buying up clinics and Dr. Offices and various medical practices it is more than apparent that they are only parasites on the suffering to serve owners. This despicable practice will alter the concept oh life and death by markets and will create such anger that no security or army can protect Wall Street's amoral greed. Perhaps this is news to you. This goes way beyond the advent of HMOs. When Wall Street has a profit stake in your death at the most expensive rate, Guess what they will choose. The price of life AND death will go up. Yep its like private Insurance companies but much bigger. |
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26 Apr 20 - 11:06 AM (#4048638) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel It will look similar to the death of family farms. |
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26 Apr 20 - 11:36 AM (#4048648) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel The business of death is good and growing so Wall St. wants a piece of the action. What did you expect? I am not a big corporate take over fan. They already have much of the Earth, Wind, Fire and Oceans, now they want Blood Sweat and Tears. |
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26 Apr 20 - 01:55 PM (#4048676) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: keberoxu Well, we all know that Bernie Sanders will never take over the Oval office. Having determined that, I am really curious to see where he will end up when the smoke clears (is it too much to hope that the smoke will clear by New Year's Eve?). |
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26 Apr 20 - 03:24 PM (#4048703) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mrrzy Cartoon: Panel 1: 2 people, one says Let's not talk politics, it's too depressing. Other says ok. Panel 2: 2 silent people. Panel 3: 1st person starts It's just that (2nd person interrupts) THOSE FUCKING IDIOTS! Non-partisan. Both sides having that alla time. |
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27 Apr 20 - 02:06 AM (#4048802) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Backwoodsman From Fintan O’Toole in The Irish Times, Saturday 25th April, 2020. The IT is paywalled, so the article is C&P’d here without comment... ”THE WORLD HAS LOVED, HATED AND ENVIED THE U.S. NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE PITY IT Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger. But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity. However bad things are for most other rich democracies, it is hard not to feel sorry for Americans. Most of them did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. Yet they are locked down with a malignant narcissist who, instead of protecting his people from Covid-19, has amplified its lethality. The country Trump promised to make great again has never in its history seemed so pitiful. Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the coronavirus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicentre of the pandemic. As the American writer George Packer puts it in the current edition of the Atlantic, “The United States reacted ... like Pakistan or Belarus – like a country with shoddy infrastructure and a dysfunctional government whose leaders were too corrupt or stupid to head off mass suffering.” It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a natural disaster, quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time – wilfully, malevolently, vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail (as, in one degree or another, most governments did), quite another to watch a ruler and his supporters actively spread a deadly virus. Trump, his party and Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News became vectors of the pestilence. The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people (some of them armed) to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives is the manifestation of a political death wish. What are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis, demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge, have been used by Trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror show in which all the neuroses that haunt the American subconscious dance naked on live TV. If the plague is a test, its ruling political nexus ensured that the US would fail it at a terrible cost in human lives. In the process, the idea of the US as the world’s leading nation – an idea that has shaped the past century – has all but evaporated. Other than the Trump impersonator Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, who is now looking to the US as the exemplar of anything other than what not to do? How many people in Düsseldorf or Dublin are wishing they lived in Detroit or Dallas? It is hard to remember now but, even in 2017, when Trump took office, the conventional wisdom in the US was that the Republican Party and the broader framework of US political institutions would prevent him from doing too much damage. This was always a delusion, but the pandemic has exposed it in the most savage ways. Abject surrender What used to be called mainstream conservatism has not absorbed Trump – he has absorbed it. Almost the entire right-wing half of American politics has surrendered abjectly to him. It has sacrificed on the altar of wanton stupidity the most basic ideas of responsibility, care and even safety. Thus, even at the very end of March, 15 Republican governors had failed to order people to stay at home or to close non-essential businesses. In Alabama, for example, it was not until April 3rd that governor Kay Ivey finally issued a stay-at-home order. In Florida, the state with the highest concentration of elderly people with underlying conditions, governor Ron DeSantis, a Trump mini-me, kept the beach resorts open to students travelling from all over the US for spring break parties. Even on April 1st, when he issued restrictions, DeSantis exempted religious services and “recreational activities”. Georgia governor Brian Kemp, when he finally issued a stay-at-home order on April 1st, explained: “We didn’t know that [the virus can be spread by people without symptoms] until the last 24 hours.” This is not mere ignorance – it is deliberate and homicidal stupidity. There is, as the demonstrations this week in US cities have shown, plenty of political mileage in denying the reality of the pandemic. It is fuelled by Fox News and far-right internet sites, and it reaps for these politicians millions of dollars in donations, mostly (in an ugly irony) from older people who are most vulnerable to the coronavirus. It draws on a concoction of conspiracy theories, hatred of science, paranoia about the “deep state” and religious providentialism (God will protect the good folks) that is now very deeply infused in the mindset of the American right. Trump embodies and enacts this mindset, but he did not invent it. The US response to the coronavirus crisis has been paralysed by a contradiction that the Republicans have inserted into the heart of US democracy. On the one hand, they want to control all the levers of governmental power. On the other they have created a popular base by playing on the notion that government is innately evil and must not be trusted. The contradiction was made manifest in two of Trump’s statements on the pandemic: on the one hand that he has “total authority”, and on the other that “I don’t take responsibility at all”. Caught between authoritarian and anarchic impulses, he is incapable of coherence. Fertile ground But this is not just Donald Trump. The crisis has shown definitively that Trump’s presidency is not an aberration. It has grown on soil long prepared to receive it. The monstrous blossoming of misrule has structure and purpose and strategy behind it. There are very powerful interests who demand “freedom” in order to do as they like with the environment, society and the economy. They have infused a very large part of American culture with the belief that “freedom” is literally more important than life. My freedom to own assault weapons trumps your right not to get shot at school. Now, my freedom to go to the barber (“I Need a Haircut” read one banner this week in St Paul, Minnesota) trumps your need to avoid infection. Usually when this kind of outlandish idiocy is displaying itself, there is the comforting thought that, if things were really serious, it would all stop. People would sober up. Instead, a large part of the US has hit the bottle even harder. And the president, his party and their media allies keep supplying the drinks. There has been no moment of truth, no shock of realisation that the antics have to end. No one of any substance on the US right has stepped in to say: get a grip, people are dying here. That is the mark of how deep the trouble is for the US – it is not just that Trump has treated the crisis merely as a way to feed tribal hatreds but that this behaviour has become normalised. When the freak show is live on TV every evening, and the star is boasting about his ratings, it is not really a freak show any more. For a very large and solid bloc of Americans, it is reality. And this will get worse before it gets better. Trump has at least eight more months in power. In his inaugural address in 2017, he evoked “American carnage” and promised to make it stop. But now that the real carnage has arrived, he is revelling in it. He is in his element. As things get worse, he will pump more hatred and falsehood, more death-wish defiance of reason and decency, into the groundwater. If a new administration succeeds him in 2021, it will have to clean up the toxic dump he leaves behind. If he is re-elected, toxicity will have become the lifeblood of American politics. Either way, it will be a long time before the rest of the world can imagine America being great again.” Discuss... |
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27 Apr 20 - 02:22 AM (#4048805) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Joe Offer Yeah, Backwoodsman. We're sure screwed up. We can make excuses about how the Republicans manipulated the Electoral College and won the 2016 election by losing by 3 million votes, but how did we ever have even 46.1 percent of our voters vote for somebody like that? (Clinton had 48.2%). I really can't understand the madness that rules such a large part of the country. The entire middle of the US voted for Trump, and they still support him despite all his idiocy. And those are good people in the middle of the country, the "heartland." They used to all be Democrats. What happened? -Joe- P.S. The article you posted is excellent. I have seen few better descriptions of the plight the United States faces. |
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27 Apr 20 - 02:51 AM (#4048809) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Backwoodsman Whilst we Brits have a habit of poking fun at Trump and the US in general, Joe, I do believe that the majority of us feel desperately sad that the nation we’ve admired since we were kids seems to have wilfully inflicted on itself such damage, culminating in the election to the position of the most powerful man on Earth (and, I suspect, the re-election, later this year) of a monster whose sole interests are in money and his own ‘ratings’ (whatever that means). I think the O’Toole article sums up the situation you have over there perfectly. That’s not to say that I believe the Brits can claim any degree of superiority - we’ve elected our own master of deceit and slave to avarice who has led us out of the world’s largest trading-bloc and sat on his hands while Covid-19 took hold here. But I do wonder if the supporters of Trump and Johnson realise that we are in danger of becoming seen by the rest of the civilised world as joint village-idiots? |
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27 Apr 20 - 03:43 AM (#4048811) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Jim Carroll "seen by the rest of the civilised world as joint village-idiots?" Unfortunately, Trump's admirers aren't confined to Britain Despite his open outbursts of antisemitism and his drawing support from historically the oldest and most violent antisemitic and racist group in recent history, the Israeli Government are intending to name a railway station in his honour. Even considering the shadow-boxing and posturing, Putin's 'Free' Russia and Trump's America are world running-mates - or will be when the dust settles The resistible rise of the ultra-right in Europe is bound to look for international leadership and inspiration when it gets its act together - perhaps they will succeed where LePen has failed (so far) This goes far beyond a 'laughing stock' I'm afraid Jim Carroll |
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27 Apr 20 - 09:23 AM (#4048874) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel "You can't hide in a corner when you are in the oval office." This pun was said to Trump when interviewed in the Oval Office during his first week in office. He did not get it. Instead he remarked there was no place for an intruder to hide outside. He still did not get it even when the pun was explained that the Oval Office had no corners. Then several seconds later he looked shaken and awkwardly changed the subject. He was confused then and he is confused now. As long as 3 branches of government tries to hide that Trump is a danger to himself and others, the more obvious it is to everyone including his supporters. Even a 5 year old can break things but are unable to fix anything except TV ratings. Honey Boo boo proved that. For rational people who believe in proof and facts I ask you, do we have enough proof and facts yet? That being asked, how many european young people know about the Marshall plan? |
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27 Apr 20 - 09:35 AM (#4048882) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Jim Carroll SOME PEOPLE HAVE IT RIGHT Jim |
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27 Apr 20 - 09:44 AM (#4048886) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mrrzy Another county heard from https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/27/lysol/ |
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27 Apr 20 - 10:04 AM (#4048890) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Bill D The US has a political system that works quite well when most of both major parties follow the rules and.... at least formally.... put the country's interests first. We also supposedly have laws and aspects of the Constitution that protect us against dishonest & rogue politicians. The problem is, we never expected or planned for an administration in which a totally self-serving and incompetent president would install a cabinet filled with incompetent and self-serving sycophants and spend 2-3 years purging everyone he could who crossed him.... ending up with an Attorney General who lied at his confirmation and proceeded to sabotage attempts to get at the truth. Add a leader of the Senate whose major goal in life is to pack the Federal courts with Republican judges, and we are left with nothing but an election under awkward circumstances to get us out of this mess..... and in the meantime, this corrupt administration is doing everything possible to limit voting rights for those who might repeat that popular vote of 4 years ago! The USA is a bold experiment in some combination of a democracy and a republic. It has had many successes... and a few failures. IF... I say IF.. we can overturn this travesty of an administration AND win back the senate, there will be efforts to shore up the rules which allowed this mess to happen.... beginning with dumping the electoral college and seriously curtailing Gerrymandering. Wish us luck... |
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27 Apr 20 - 10:07 AM (#4048892) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mossback Two articles worth a read in their entirety, excerpts follow: Trump reveals our staggering incompetence before the whole world by Heather Digby Parton / Salon April 27, 2020 ...Now the country that sent men to the moon and brought them home again, all the way back in the 1960s, is a fumbling mess, unable to manage the simple logistics of getting supplies from one place to another or coordinating a national set of guidelines in a public health crisis... Donald Trump is a completely incompetent leader — we know this. Literally any other president would have done a better job. But it’s not just him, is it? The U.S. government seems to have lost its capacity to act, and the private sector is so invested in short-term profit-making that it’s lost its innovative edge. The result is that the United States of America, formerly the world’s leader in science and technology, now only leads the world in gruesome statistics and body counts. The country that planned the D-Day invasion is incapable of coordinating the delivery of medical supplies to New York City? Apparently so. https://www.alternet.org/2020/04/trump-reveals-our-staggering-incompetence-before-the-whole-world/ ------------------- Trump and the coronavirus have exposed America as a declining empire: Time to face the facts. by Andrew O'Hehir, April 26, 2020 5:08PM (UTC) ...It isn't just that the U.S. response to the pandemic has been among the worst of any major nation — OK, let's make that clearly the worst — utterly bereft of coherent national leadership. With barely 4% of the world's population, the U.S. has by far the largest share of COVID-19 cases and deaths, and is apparently about to risk a second upward spike in both statistics. ...our dysfunctional government has flung billions at big corporations and one monthly paycheck at regular folks, followed by the stupidest and starkest form of social-Darwinist choice: Go broke or risk your life. ...one thing is for sure: We need to stop pretending that America after the coronavirus, and after the Trump presidency, will be the same kind of nation it was before, with the same role of more-or-less unquestioned global dominance. We have deluded ourselves far too long on that front already. There is no making America great again, and it's time to move past that. But there's a real chance to make a better future for this country and the world. https://www.salon.com/2020/04/26/trump-and-the-coronavirus-have-exposed-america-as-a-declining-empire-lets-face-that-honestly/ |
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27 Apr 20 - 10:19 AM (#4048897) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Jeri The problem started (I could be wrong) when McConnell denied Obama anything. Then it was a war with the Republican Senate, and they refused to see the correctness in ANYTHING Democrats put forward. He and the Repubs couldn't care less about the American people, because they have a hard-core crowd of idiots who think it's a pro wrestling match behind him. Seriously, I think if McConnell goes, EVERYTHING will change. It helps me to be aware that this is only one moment in time. It's historically significant, and will likely prompt assertions of "never again", and it sucks in the moment, but it will pass. (I just hope they don't do crippling damage to the Constitution in the meantime.) |
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27 Apr 20 - 10:22 AM (#4048899) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Jim Carroll HERE MRRZY Jim |
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27 Apr 20 - 10:58 AM (#4048906) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Bill D Jeri... the problem started when the Republican candidates in 2016 were such a motley crew that they couldn't figger out how to cope with Trump's appeal to the baser instincts of the party. Several of them clearly stated how unappealing he was, but the problem was exacerbated when he actually sneaked in and their tone changed to obsequious nonsense and began giving them presents of judges and legislative coups. By the time his weaknesses were obvious, there was no way to gracefully back down and return to their pre-nomination positions. ... and maybe the problem 'started' with the Dixiecrats in the 60s..or with Karl Rove's plan to establish a can't-lose Republican dynasty.. or maybe there's a way to explain Trump with a metaphor about this virus sneaking in when people were careless ... or...or... or... |
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27 Apr 20 - 11:17 AM (#4048911) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Dave the Gnome I think the trouble started when people began to believe that WWE was real Trump was clever enough to pick up on that and campaigned as if the presidential election was a wrestling match. Just watch his performances with the Hilary Clinton debates. Sadly, it worked :-( As someone said earlier though, us Brits have no room to talk about leaders in the Walter Kitty mold! |
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27 Apr 20 - 11:20 AM (#4048912) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor We're not just fighting this virus we have to overcome the stupidity of our CinC. He's already deleted his Noble (sic) Prize tweets from a weekend rant against Pulitzer Prize-winning journalists. Scary to contemplate.- Politico |
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27 Apr 20 - 11:54 AM (#4048917) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel Tying into Bill's comment that Republicans were all in for the presents and tax cuts the deconstruction of government as outlined by Bannon continued. Although Bannon is in Italy fomenting devotees to ready for more nationalistic dictatorships, the US damgage continues. Sometimes you need government to deal with crises. Amateurs were put in charge and experts were fired. Mostly positions were not filled in the thousands. All this seems too resolute, clever and strategic in how to break the government for a Donald Trump to implement. A master plan or outline to discredit the CIA and the press is one thing but a deliberate incremental planned assault takes the hand of a power behind the golden throne. This is not all Steve Millers work in my opinion. Dare I say Putin or neo nazi Bannon? Waving a Trump flag as the focus of fame or rage is part of the distraction plan. This feels like a surrnder to a coup by intimidation of a credible threat. Or sometimes a cigar is just a penis. |
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27 Apr 20 - 11:54 AM (#4048918) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mossback Regardless of where "the problem" started, it was helped along immeasurably by the Repubs. infamous "Southern Strategy" and by Reagan's senile "government is the problem". The Gipper is father to the Trump. However, the REAL cause was explained by Isaac Asimov some years ago: There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-iltellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through out political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Trump, Republi-Trumpism and the Trump Cult in a nutshell. |
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27 Apr 20 - 12:06 PM (#4048919) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel What do we call it when the intelligesia is attacked/fired and the ignorant take over? Its pretty smart for ignorance to beat intelligence at every turn. Conservative think tanks must have been burning the midnight oil. Didn't it take a great depression for Hitler to win? When will they introduce the fourth reich by name? |
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27 Apr 20 - 12:08 PM (#4048921) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh In Britain, at least, it's often the case that describing a person as "an intellectual" is intended as a sneer. |
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27 Apr 20 - 12:26 PM (#4048924) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor Trump is, to some degree, the price we're paying for having had a black president. His gang knew how to exploit the deep-seated racism still extant in this country and they couldn't have found a better mouthpiece than this bunko man. |
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27 Apr 20 - 12:28 PM (#4048926) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Jeri Bill, the partisan "war" started before 2016. Or maybe you don't want to count them denying Obama's appointment of a Supreme Court judge? I think that's when it became "us vs. them" instead of "we're here to serve the American people". AND the went from being deficit hawks to piling on the debt so they could put more money in rich guys pockets. (Yeah, we need reforms of campaign contribution laws.) |
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27 Apr 20 - 12:33 PM (#4048927) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel The touchstone, the lingus, the holy grail and final solution of Trumpism is racism. So a potential US dictatorship is not in anyones line of sight? |
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27 Apr 20 - 12:53 PM (#4048930) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Bill D Jeri.. I'm not sure whether to count the denial of Obama's SCOTUS nomination as a serious starting point by itself, or as merely a sub-category of basic McConnellism. Remember McConnell announced his plan before Obama even made a choice! And, they have always yelled about debt when Democrats funded anything, then spent even more doing less... My treatise on the various forms of causality will explain the difficulty in correlating the categories.. due out in..oh, a few years... |
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27 Apr 20 - 12:58 PM (#4048933) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Stilly River Sage McConnell would do a rapid about-face if in his last few months Trump had the opportunity to name another Supreme Court Justice. No waiting for the next guy to do it. |
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29 Apr 20 - 08:05 PM (#4049438) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: keberoxu To watch clusters of contiguous states forming coalitions in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic restrictions, working together to coordinate the re-opening of 'non-essential' employment and businesses etc. : this suggests the shape of the pieces into which this nation may fracture, in the not too distant future. Then all the fractured jigsaw puzzle pieces will have to learn how to get along with each other, without one centralized government. |
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29 Apr 20 - 08:26 PM (#4049440) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Bill D keberoxu...That's a pretty negative speculation. Is it just your worrisome idea, or is it something others have said? How is this different from the variable ways individual states already operate? Currently, we only HAVE a centralized government in certain federal ways, "States Rights" have dominated many operating practices for a long time... guns, abortions, liquor laws, death penalty, Gerrymandering, election & voting rules... etc. |
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30 Apr 20 - 08:02 AM (#4049523) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel Biden accused of sexual assault of Harvey Wienstien? 8*o The orange bankruptcy King wants blue states to illegally declare bankruptcy so corporations will not have to pay for pensions, or be able to pay police and firemen. Since the small business bail out money went to the Lakers and Ritz Carlton types until it ran out, the real small business' without the best lawyers are looking at bankruptcy in the many thousands. The administration has ordered some workers back to work before he gets a no liability law passed by Republicans so workers can't sue for dieing. Ah oh. |
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30 Apr 20 - 08:33 AM (#4049533) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/business/meat-processing-plant-workers-reaction-executive-order/index.html |
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30 Apr 20 - 08:35 AM (#4049534) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor McConnell is facing a serious challenge in Kentucky from likely Democratic candidate Amy McGrath, who has raised more money than Moscow Mitch this year. In light of his blue state bailouts and suggesting states declare bankruptcy comments and with trump nosediving he's probably more vulnerable than ever. If I ever get my stimulus check (held up so trump could get his name on it and include a campaign letter) a chunk will go to "f***ing" Biden and some will go to McGrath, whom I don't know much about but jettisoning MM is almost as essential to the preservation of our Democracy as dumping trump. |
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30 Apr 20 - 09:13 AM (#4049543) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mrrzy Yeah, thanks, I saw that too. My trumpian friends, of which I have 2, are shutting up a lot more lately, so I have hopes for them. |
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30 Apr 20 - 05:48 PM (#4049624) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel I have been being silly latly butnot as silly as https://www.the-sun.com/news/659745/david-icke-coronavirus-5g-conspiracy-theory/ |
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01 May 20 - 09:38 AM (#4049745) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel Paul Krugman says our economy is in a sort of medically induced coma. Our relief programs have huge problems of instrumentation run through state officesthat areoverwhelmed.. White collar teleworkers are fine but hourly employees are suffering. State and local governments are facing tremendous stresses. Small business did not go to who needed it but went to big bussiness. However; There is no danger of hyper inflation. Red States that have no income tax but rely on sales tax and will suffer the most because Consumer spending has fallen off the cliff. The market was saved by the Federal Reserve. The US political discussion is between defensible ideas and arguments that have no good faith and are things we know are false like tax cuts pay for themselves or that deficit spending leads to disaster - all ideas that proved false and should have been killed off years ago. Advanced countries (US, UK, Japan) that borrow on their own currency out grow their debt over time because interest rates are below the GDP growth curve. The Us had a 100% debt in relation to GDP after WWII and never had to pay it back since we outgrew it. -Don't argue with Zombies.- their ideas died long ago. |
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01 May 20 - 05:34 PM (#4049838) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel Subject: RE: BS: Bill Maher From: Bill D - PM Date: 15 Apr 14 - 10:50 AM If you listen closely to Carlin arguing with a conservative {zombie}, you will discover 2 very different basic modes of making a point. The conservative states his version to be true and denies as rubbish the accusations of Carlin's 'liberal' view..... Carlin, in turn, lays out point after point demonstrating in detail what he means, then summarizes it. The conservative then makes MORE generalized denials using prefabricated talking points with almost no references that support them. It becomes asserted facts versus evasive hyperbole. Sadly, there are far too many who are too easily taken in by easy-to-follow hype and propaganda rather than following and researching the details of a more complex explanation. |
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02 May 20 - 09:33 AM (#4049940) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mrrzy What about Biden? |
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02 May 20 - 10:13 AM (#4049947) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel He handled himself poorly on Morning Joe show. His clips clean up his presentation. |
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02 May 20 - 10:29 AM (#4049950) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor What about Biden? The choice this fall is between either a possible female abuser or a well-documented one who is also lazy, stupid, incompetent, corrupt, mendacious, greedy, inhumane, anti-democratic, anti-American, (I could go on) who doesn't care how many decent people he has to trample to get what he wants. That answers that question for me. |
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03 May 20 - 11:29 AM (#4050134) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel The election between 2 senile delinquents will not be about policy. It will be about culture, hatreds and "if mot for me things will get worse". It won't be about policy to make things better, although it should. The biggest Biden advantage is that he truly knows how a successful executive branch works. Bernie was never allowed to play those reindeer games and never was assigned to the most meaningful comittees. |
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03 May 20 - 12:11 PM (#4050138) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Bill D Biden was not my first choice, but he is what a majority chose. I really don't think the moniker of "senile delinquent" is accurate OR useful. There's a lot of ground to cover before the convention and even more before the election... not to mention the 2 months to the inauguration if he is elected. So far, the accusation against him seems pretty late, vague and undocumented. This won't prevent swarms of ads, memes and 'explanations' in line with the Carlin remark of mine you posted from 2014. The Republicans biggest hope at this point is to "throw lots of mud at the wall and hope some of it sticks." |
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04 May 20 - 07:52 AM (#4050323) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel I should have sought your permission Bill but it seemed so 'deviously delicious' like Keebler heroin cookies. Senile delingquent only works if compared to Obama but in this relativistic time Biden towers above the orange amorality and empathy free administration. Our president is so unwell he is a clear danger to himself and others. Republiccans running for office are now politically distancing from Trump as well as socially distancing. |
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04 May 20 - 11:00 AM (#4050394) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel There is no such thing as the anti Bhudda but DT comes close. He is the epitome of greed, anger and ignorance. The opposite is generosity, compassion and knowledge - the teaching of bhudda. |
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05 May 20 - 07:22 AM (#4050590) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor Scroll down the page of this article to view the Lincoln Project Ad that set off a middle of the night tweet storm from our peerless leader. WaPo |
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05 May 20 - 08:09 AM (#4050598) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel In this post truth world, knowledge is still power. It is left to you, the individual, to learn and decide life and death matters. You ask when things return to normal, well bucko, this is the new normal in many fundamental ways. For 20 years I have told you about the war between those who put all their energy into the appearence of reality in hopes to create that reality VERSES those who seek actual reality. The fantasy reality people win battles in the short run with lies. The long term war is won by actual reality whether you help or not. I hope you stay brave and help despite greed and attractive lies. |
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05 May 20 - 08:18 AM (#4050603) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor O sagacious one, we are not worthy. |
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05 May 20 - 10:09 AM (#4050630) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mrrzy It is also right to you, making those decisions... |
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06 May 20 - 04:27 PM (#4050895) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel I'll take some aspirin and tell myself to fuck off and that should handle it. If you need more info on my decision just lemmee know. |
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06 May 20 - 06:07 PM (#4050908) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor I've heard that a slug of Lysol makes a dandy panacea. |
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07 May 20 - 03:12 PM (#4051083) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel Do your own experiment. To see how much of an instant killer Lysol is, try spraying micro ants or even well armored stinging insects. This may have been the cure for the original Confederates, House of Unamerican activity members, Tea Party and Nazi Trumpists for all we know. I support the efforts of the stategic use of Oxytocin myself. |
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07 May 20 - 03:35 PM (#4051085) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor That was a joke directed at your aspirin comment, in case you weren't aware. The guy who needs a Lysol injection is A.G. Barr, now he's asking the judge to drop the case against the self-confessed, convicted (for lying to the FBI on 2 separate counts) Michael Flynn who was fired, in twitler's own words, for lying to the V.P. What the hell happened to Barr, he was once a highly regarded law enforcement officer but now he's forsaken the rule of law for the rule of trump. |
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07 May 20 - 04:29 PM (#4051090) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Stilly River Sage It turns out that one of Trump's non-mask-wearing military household servants has tested positive for the novel coronavirus. Let that sink in. It could turn a lot of politics on its head. |
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07 May 20 - 04:33 PM (#4051092) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor And Trump and his entourage flouted the rules and went maskless at that factory in AZ yesterday. I wonder how many microbes they left behind. |
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07 May 20 - 05:05 PM (#4051098) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel The navy valet was tasked with serving Trump's fries and food, morning noon and some nights. I hope they contact trace. It will give something for Trump to think about as he is already afraid of poisoning. If Henry the 8th could live through the plague so can Trump. Covid 19 is a wimp in comparison. Snap - food stamps, require that people are working. Too bad for the 60 million kids who have parents who are unemployed at the moment. There is a 20% hunger crisis that needs a solution. Don't be gilly. My humor is not a joke. Writing using mostly the right hemisphere has no cure and isn't funny. Could you check and see if my test results are back? |
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07 May 20 - 05:35 PM (#4051102) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor To borrow a fictional movie title from Seinfeld, Prognosis:Negative. |
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08 May 20 - 04:33 PM (#4051297) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel Should Putin succeed again by electing Trump President via kill chain hacks and astro turf demonstrations against tryanny and incarceration/isolation I believe between 1 and 2 million Americans will die as a direct result. I also believe Americans only say they care. Instead they praise each other on the descriptions of the current disaster. |
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08 May 20 - 04:43 PM (#4051301) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel see? |
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08 May 20 - 09:30 PM (#4051343) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel Yes we are all in this together. But what is this thing we're in? It is a complacency in our desent into idiocracy with no violent overthrow of those in charge. We hoped, we waited, we wasted time to only see the death of wisdom measured on TV like a new weather forcast showing dispassionate death in the millions. Lets do nothing is their battle cry. Promises are lies that help us die quietly. I do not confuse preserving civility with obeying the masters of the market. Most of you will entertain yourselves to death, It only takes one to do what needs to be done. Survivors will claim we were all in this together in our calm cowardly march into Idiocracy. We all hope to be the survivor. |
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10 May 20 - 08:35 AM (#4051599) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel I rarely mention it but my peer inlaws are a bunch of hard core racist antisemetic hateful conservatives who were Trump enthusiasts before Obama. The closest couple of the bunch are Kiwanis Republicans in Dayton Ohio. Well they are now contributors and volunteers for Biden. Even with gerrymandering and voter suppression and kill chain hacks of our elections I feel hopeful for the first time that the great Republican obstruction has come to an end. |
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10 May 20 - 08:48 AM (#4051603) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor Back in 2015 David Brooks (or maybe it was his fellow conservative George Will) predicted candidate Trump was going to do far more damage to the GOP than good. I don't want to jinx it but it looks like it's coming to pass. |
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10 May 20 - 09:00 AM (#4051606) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Stilly River Sage It has looked like that since day one when he was sworn into office! |
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10 May 20 - 09:35 AM (#4051612) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor Not in the eyes of many in the GOP, given the state of the economy (which was basically following the same arc as the last few years of the Obama administration) they thought they had good prospects in the coming election (and winning is the only consideration for them) until a couple of months ago when it became apparent that they chose a corrupt, cowardly ninny for a messiah. |
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10 May 20 - 09:46 AM (#4051613) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mrrzy More thanone WH staffer has it. I have hope... |
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10 May 20 - 09:26 PM (#4051720) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Bee-dubya-ell The age group most likely to die from Covid is the same age group most likely to vote Republican. I would find it highly ironic if Trump were to lose the 2020 election due to narrow losses in a few key states where Covid death rates are high. |
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10 May 20 - 10:33 PM (#4051724) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mysha At least two confirmed. But do you really hate White House staffers that much that you would let them die for now other reason than that they didn't irritate the president enough to get fired? Mysha |
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11 May 20 - 06:46 AM (#4051772) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor It's the mental illness running through the White House that worries me. |
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11 May 20 - 07:11 AM (#4051776) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Steve Shaw Can't go around wishing death on people, chaps... |
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11 May 20 - 08:07 AM (#4051784) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor If you're talking about innocents, yeah, but I often wish trump were dead in the interest of the greater good and if Pence were to kick it at the same time so much the better. He, Pence, is now pissing backwards on the Flynn affair saying he was never lied to though the video of him saying just the opposite in Dec. of 17 is getting a lot of airplay. Twitler trained him well. |
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11 May 20 - 08:33 AM (#4051789) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor ...I guess you can teach old born again christian dogs new tricks. It seems that President Obama is wading back into the fray calling the WH response a "chaotic disaster". Let's hope he amps it up and stays a presence through the election. |
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11 May 20 - 09:00 AM (#4051800) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel With the White house positively slick with virus we don't have to wish the insideous pandemic will infect air head republicans who don't wear masks or gloves or follow the guidlines.. The administration and enablers have wished death upon themselves. They will reap what they sow. We are in a new world in which EVERYBODY is a potential unintentional assasain. |
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11 May 20 - 09:15 AM (#4051803) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor Interesting that trump discounts the importance of testing, and really has done nothing to bring it up to anywhere near the levels that his own health experts say it needs to be, yet says he is tested everyday while many of the people fighting this virus on the front lines still can't get tested. I suppose he doesn't want people to know the actual number of infections because he thinks it's bad PR but he still can't escape that 80,000+ number, though he is trying to jigger that too. I wonder if the steward who de-buns his Big Macs is now wearing a mask. |
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11 May 20 - 09:28 AM (#4051807) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel We are reaping what they sowed after ~ 100,000 deaths, don't ya think? So what if Trump and Pense end up with a respirator up their wazoo*. Nancy Pelosi would then be President. *an incorrect use of a respirator similar to Harry Potter blowing up his Aunt. |
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11 May 20 - 09:33 AM (#4051808) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor In trump's case it would more likely be a grolight up his wazoo. |
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11 May 20 - 10:05 AM (#4051817) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel I shouldn't say but we really can thread a fiber optic light inside blood vessels. It's just never been damaging UV light. Balloon sized figures floating into the sunset would be a sight to behold. It would be a tough call to issue shoot down orders |
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11 May 20 - 10:27 AM (#4051820) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel Gilly as red states reopen, some restaurants advertise fine dining in a beautiful Hazmat atmosphere. |
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11 May 20 - 02:47 PM (#4051848) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel A voice of reason |
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11 May 20 - 04:33 PM (#4051858) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mrrzy 2 opeds about the same idea in todays washpo, idea being republicans bailing, giving me hope: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/11/republicans-have-already-decided-trump-is-going-lose/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/11/republicans-finally-realize-trump-will-drag-them-under/ |
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12 May 20 - 04:44 AM (#4051936) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mr Red I can't help thinking that storming out of a press briefing is a sign Twitler knows he is loosing grip. Until I saw that, I thought the world was in such an interesting time, enough to see the possibility of him re-elected. Strangely I don't have the same confidence COVID-19 is having a similar effect in the UK. Thatcher had the Falklands, Borish may just have the current war to his aid. (other interesting times also available). |
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12 May 20 - 03:11 PM (#4052081) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel It took 3 1/2 hours to enter the argument of Vance v Trump to the Supream court today. Trump's lawyer Sekulo said very little but he is going with the Nixon defense. |
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12 May 20 - 03:12 PM (#4052082) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel JUSTICE THOMAS SPOKE! |
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12 May 20 - 03:38 PM (#4052086) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor Didn't work out too well for Tricky Dick. |
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12 May 20 - 03:40 PM (#4052087) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor ... but of course twit's got a packed court. |
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12 May 20 - 04:20 PM (#4052095) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Mrrzy Shit I keep forgetting to listen to the Supreme Court. They were apparently dithering Monday about legalizing religious bigotry... |
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12 May 20 - 06:12 PM (#4052116) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel VERIZON CHANNEL 678 Law and Crime Maybe C Span but I don't know Justice Thomas has a basso profundo voice and range (deeper than Paul Robeson or James Earl Jones) |
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12 May 20 - 06:15 PM (#4052119) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: gillymor Hope he doesn't damage that lovely voice by choking on a pubic hair off his Coke can. |
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15 May 20 - 08:27 AM (#4052593) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel The Trump push for an Obamagate investigation to lock Obama up for, he says 50 years, is a campaign ploy but in the midst of a pandemic will probably not work like it did with Hillary. |
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15 May 20 - 10:43 AM (#4052612) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel The charges against President Obama deserving a life sentence are well, a secret known only by Trump but dollars to donuts has something to do with setting up Trump to look like he conspired with Russia. Obama will have to appear before the Senate to be questioned regarding his involvment in secret crimes against Trump. This is another first in history. It is my guess Obama will be proved suspicious beyond a reasonable doubt. The November surprise might be Trump's Attorney General and FBI director writing letters regarding Obama and the deep state a week before the election. |
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16 May 20 - 01:36 PM (#4052808) Subject: RE: BS: US thread, Politics and political From: Donuel California Maine and Arizona will probably go Democratic in the Senate race. Who else? Wisconsin has the most Infection elections so far. Voting by mail is a huge threr to Republicans. SCOTUS could possibly screw Trump by decision or by sending it down to lower courts. Dem bones dem bones dem dry bones Dem bones dem bones dem dry bones Miller's wife is connected to the Steven whose connected the Donald whose connected to the Russains And The lord spoke all world wide |