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30 May 20 - 09:09 AM (#4055994) Subject: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Bonzo3legs I've been watching the amazing Molly Tuttle It looks painful to learn but very effective!! |
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30 May 20 - 09:24 AM (#4055997) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Dave Hanson Sounds great. Dave H |
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30 May 20 - 09:33 AM (#4055999) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Bonzo3legs Just put my acoustic into Molly Tuttle tuning - it was like picking up a guitar for the first time! |
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30 May 20 - 09:37 AM (#4056000) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: GUEST,Don Meixner Molly is a force of nature. Here Clawhammer style on the guitar is very much an out growth of her Clawhammer banjo style. Both are brilliant. Years ago Donovan Leitch played a fingerpicking style that was called Clawhammer guitar but I don't believe it was related in much of any way to what Molly Tuttle plays. There is a great deal of discussion about Donovan teaching John Lennon how to play that style. I think even some YouTube videos cover it. But I beleive that Molly Tuttle plays the real deal of Clawhammer guitar if it fair to call it such. Don |
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30 May 20 - 09:47 AM (#4056001) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Jeri I think she calls it "frailing". I saw her keep up (at least) with Tommy Emmanuel, and it was glorious! |
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30 May 20 - 10:19 AM (#4056010) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: GUEST,Don Meixner Jeri, there is a video with her and Billy Strings going at, I think, The Black Mountain Rag. Wow. As to whether its Clawhammer or Frailing, I will leave that to experts to determine. D |
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30 May 20 - 10:38 AM (#4056022) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman clawhammer guitar is easier in open g tuning particularly if you play 5 string banjo, it is not frailing at all it is clawhammer, i have not wtched the molly video, but steve baughman explains clawhammerguitar here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Me42csgzU |
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30 May 20 - 10:44 AM (#4056025) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman what donovan plays is like thumb melody on banjo roscoe holcomb style.or like maybelle carte guitar style , donovan style works in standard tuning using c or shapes. steve baughman style initially usesopen g but it works using thumb melody banjo stle using the top string as a drone in dgdgcd a tuning martin simpson uses. can we use less confusing terminology frailing is not clawhammer banjo and not thumb melody banjo, frailing is its own style involving bump dity, nic jones used something like that sometimes but in effect damped the drone string |
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30 May 20 - 10:54 AM (#4056028) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman right i have looked at her video it is frailing NOT clawhammer and it is good,it is frailing banjo used on guitar |
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30 May 20 - 11:03 AM (#4056032) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman BONZO the easiest way to learn frailing is get a banjo stick it in g tuning, a good starter is single girl. |
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30 May 20 - 11:08 AM (#4056034) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Bonzo3legs Thanks, I don't have a banjo, but I'll try on guitar in g tuning. |
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30 May 20 - 11:22 AM (#4056036) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Backwoodsman About a year ago I sat about 6 feet away from Molly while she played her gig at The Greystones in Sheffield. She was phenomenally good, both in terms of her guitar playing - flatpicking, fingerpicking and frailing - her songwriting, and also vocally. Martin Simpson, Damien O’Kane, and Kate Rusby were also there - they seemed impressed too! When she tours here again, I strongly recommend going to see her, she’s the real deal. And it’s frailing. |
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30 May 20 - 11:50 AM (#4056041) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman bonzo i suggest practisin the bump ditty just on open strings to start and damp the off beat thumb 5 or 6 string, its 1 full beat then two half beats with the thumb on the second halfbeathence bump dit ty |
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30 May 20 - 12:05 PM (#4056044) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Joe Offer Steve Baughman is probably the best-known practitioner of clawhammer guitar in Northern California. He's got some interesting teaching materials online. |
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30 May 20 - 02:18 PM (#4056071) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman Joe, i put up a clip at 10 28 |
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30 May 20 - 02:39 PM (#4056075) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Joe Offer Thanks, Sandman. I usually see Steve in a cappella singing sessions, and did not know about his guitar work until long after I met him. He's an immigration attorney by profession, but his passion is playing instruments. He did a house concert in this area a few months ago, and there was very little singing. And then afterwards, we had an a cappella singing session. And then afterwards, he wouldn't let a few of us leave, and he gathered us into a close circle for harmony singing. He really loves his music, and he has so much fun with it. |
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30 May 20 - 02:44 PM (#4056076) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Bee-dubya-ell Clawhammer ukulele is also quite popular. Since the fourth (G) string on a uke is usually tuned an octave up, it sounds much like the 5th string on a 5-string banjo. |
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30 May 20 - 03:23 PM (#4056083) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Jeri Molly Tuttle - she starts talking about clawhammer technique at 9+ minutes. |
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30 May 20 - 04:03 PM (#4056090) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: DonMeixner Clifton Hicks, who has taught banjo styles for sometime, calls it Overhand style because he thinks it is more accurate. I have played what I thought of as Frailing for years. I am not able to do any drop thumb work because of a hand injury and most of what I play is very rhythmic. As I said before, I will rely on the experts to tell me the difference. Don |
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30 May 20 - 04:48 PM (#4056101) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: GUEST,Hootenanny Don, Re Donovan Leitch I don't know if he took lessons from Peggy Seeger in the late fifties early sixties but I believe it was she who used the phrase incorrectly to describe her fingerpicking guitar style that she was teaching us in London. |
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30 May 20 - 05:06 PM (#4056104) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: DonMeixner Thanks Hoot, Even if that doesn't solve the riddle it adds to the puzzle. Success isn't as important to me as is a good tale to tell. Don |
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31 May 20 - 01:11 AM (#4056146) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman hootenanny, yes some people used to call travis style clawhammer Travis Picking" is a syncopated style of guitar fingerpicking rooted in ragtime music in which alternating chords and bass notes are plucked by the thumb while melodies are simultaneously plucked by the index finger Donovan does not play like that, he plays thumb melody which is generally known as carter style. he wrongly calls it clawhammer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3tWkyYXcLc it does not sounds if peggy was his teacher from this interview |
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31 May 20 - 01:55 AM (#4056151) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Bonzo3legs After trying a basic clawhammer exercise for 30 minutes after the SpaceX launch last night, my right hand aches this morning - will that excuse me from gardening? |
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31 May 20 - 02:07 AM (#4056153) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman bonzo it is importantto not overdo a new movement like frailing 15minutes max at a time |
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31 May 20 - 03:05 AM (#4056164) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: GUEST,Hootenanny "Ma Carter took a banjo style and transposed it" ? and he still appears to be as modest as he never was. |
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31 May 20 - 03:13 AM (#4056165) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: GUEST Yes, there has been a tendency to call Travis style picking here in the UK clawhammer picking, which confused me a bit when I first took up five string banjo in the late 70s. However, I disagree that Donovan only played bass melody style guitar picking, on songs like Ballad of a Crystal Man, Ballad of Geraldine and (if I recall correctly) Try for the Sun, he played rock solid Travis style fingerpicking, which he later introduced to the Beatles for songs like Blackbird, Julia, Here Comes the Sun, etc. |
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31 May 20 - 05:03 AM (#4056179) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman ok guest i havent looked at the three you mention, my comments were bsed upon colours.and the impression he gives in the interview Maybelle was taught it by lesley riddle, and it s a banjo style, one used by roscoe holcomb, tune is played by thumb. maybelle occasionally used another style, but she is genarlly associated with thumb melody,plus the bump ditty of frailing Donovan turned up at a festival i organised he appeared modest pleasant and unassuming |
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31 May 20 - 05:56 AM (#4056192) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: GUEST,Jerry Sorry, that was me above, but yes he used ‘Carter’ style as well on a lot of stuff like Colours, etc. I have to say the frailing guitar style in the right hands seems to be a good development of the bluegrass flatpicking style, because the latter relies largely on other instruments providing the chord backing to my mind. The beauty of Travis picking is that you can provide your own rhythm and bass lines as well as the melody, plus you are not tied to either just standard tuning or an open tuning (in the case of frailing). |
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31 May 20 - 06:34 AM (#4056197) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: gillymor Al Petteway uses DADGAD capoed at the 5th fret to replicate clawhammer banjo style played in Sawmill tuning on the guitar. It's not too difficult to learn if you already play some clawhammer banjo (although to play it as well as Al is another matter). His style involves an up stroke on the high D string (G capoed) for the drone string. Al Petteway |
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31 May 20 - 09:49 AM (#4056243) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Bonzo3legs Tuning explained by Molly Tuttle is DGDGCD which sounds quite modal. |
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31 May 20 - 09:57 AM (#4056245) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: GUEST,Jerry That’s the sawmill tuning, or mountain minor, traditionally used on the banjo, without the low D (and the high G). |
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31 May 20 - 10:23 AM (#4056249) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: gillymor Petteway uses DADGAD capo V to get the Sawmill tuning sound and I've found that tunes I play in Sawmill on the banjo like Little Sadie, Maggie Walker Blues and Pretty Polly transfer fairly easy to Petteway's method. He does a section on it in his Appalachian Folksongs For Fingerstyle Guitar in DADGAD Tuning DVD. |
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31 May 20 - 01:14 PM (#4056291) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Bonzo3legs Up until I can hear what I want to play, but my right hand will not do it - practise, practise, practise for weeks it seems!! |
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31 May 20 - 01:25 PM (#4056296) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: gillymor Getting that bum ditty stroke down can take awhile. |
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31 May 20 - 02:05 PM (#4056304) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman yes it takes a while on banjo, but heres a suggestion up pick the first note with your index then do a strum down and then thumb to get the bump diity its easierand is vrtually the same as frailing but the first pick is up, its seeger style?there is hardly any difference in sound, as a guitrist you might find it easier. |
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31 May 20 - 02:13 PM (#4056308) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: The Sandman personally i find it easier to hit the 6 string as if it was the high string and then i damp it |
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31 May 20 - 03:05 PM (#4056316) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: babypix Alec Stone-Sweet plays excellent clawhammer guitar. |
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31 May 20 - 04:35 PM (#4056330) Subject: RE: Does anyone play 'clawhammer guitar'? From: Bonzo3legs Wait a minute, why am I not hearing any bass string notes played by the thumb? |