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15 Jun 20 - 11:20 PM (#4059437) Subject: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: allanwill I'm surprised there has been no mention (that I can find) of Dylan's masterful history lesson "Murder Most Foul". As far as I am concerned the old boy has still got it! Allan |
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16 Jun 20 - 03:19 AM (#4059451) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: The Sandman by christ he murders some songs these days when he tries to sing, its worse than foul MURDER MOST FOUL (Bob Dylan) Twas a dark day in Dallas, November '63 A day that will live on in infamy President Kennedy was a-ridin' high Good day to be livin' and a good day to die Being led to the slaughter like a sacrificial lamb He said, "Wait a minute, boys, you know who I am?" "Of course we do, we know who you are" Then they blew off his head while he was still in the car Shot down like a dog in broad daylight Was a matter of timing and the timing was right You gotta pay debts, we've come to collect We're gonna kill you with hatred, without any respect We'll mock you and shock you and we'll put it in your face We've already got someone here to take your place The day they blew out the brains of the king Thousands were watching, no one saw a thing It happened so quickly, so quick, by surprise Right there in front of everyone's eyes Greatest magic trick ever under the sun Perfectly executed, skillfully done Wolfman, oh wolfman, oh wolfman howl Rub-a-dub-dub, it's a murder most foul Hush, little children, you'll understand The Beatles are comin', they're gonna hold your hand Slide down the banister, go get your coat Ferry 'cross the Mersey and go for the throat There's three bums comin' all dressed in rags Pick up the pieces and lower the flags I'm going to Woodstock, it's the Aquarian Age Then I'll go to Altamont and sit near the stage Put your head out the window, let the good times roll There's a party going on behind the Grassy Knoll Stack up the bricks, pour the cement Don't say Dallas don't love you, Mr. President Put your foot in the tank and step on the gas Try to make it to the triple underpass Blackface singer, whiteface clown Better not show your faces after the sun goes down Up in the red light district, they've got cop on the beat Living in a nightmare on Elm Street When you're down in Deep Ellum, put your money in your shoe Don't ask what your country can do for you Cash on the ballot, money to burn Dealey Plaza, make a left-hand turn I'm going down to the crossroads, gonna flag a ride The place where faith, hope, and charity died Shoot him while he runs, boy Shoot him while you can See if you can shoot the invisible man Goodbye, Charlie Goodbye, Uncle Sam Frankly, my Scarlet, I don't give a damn What is the truth, and where did it go? Ask Oswald and Ruby, they oughta know "Shut your mouth, " said the wise old owl Business is business, and it's a murder most foul Tommy, can you hear me? I'm the Acid Queen I'm riding in a long, black Lincoln limousine Riding in the backseat next to my wife Heading straight on in to the afterlife I'm leaning to the left, got my head in her lap Hold on, I've been led into some kind of a trap Where we ask no quarter, and no quarter do we give We're right down the street from the street where you live They mutilated his body, and they took out his brain What more could they do? They piled on the pain But his soul's not there where it was supposed to be at For the last fifty years they've been searchin' for that Freedom, oh freedom Freedom above me I hate to tell you, mister, but only dead men are free Send me some lovin', tell me no lies Throw the gun in the gutter and walk on by Wake up, little Suzie, let's go for a drive Cross the Trinity River, let's keep hope alive Turn the radio on, don't touch the dials Parkland hospital, only six more miles You got me dizzy, Miss Lizzy You filled me with lead That magic bullet of yours has gone to my head I'm just a patsy like Patsy Cline Never shot anyone from in front or behind I've blood in my eye, got blood in my ear I'm never gonna make it to the new frontier Zapruder's film I've seen that before Seen it 33 times, maybe more It's vile and deceitful It's cruel and it's mean Ugliest thing that you ever have seen They killed him once and they killed him twice Killed him like a human sacrifice The day that they killed him, someone said to me, "Son The age of the Antichrist has just only begun" Air Force One coming in through the gate Johnson sworn in at 2:38 Let me know when you decide to thrown in the towel It is what it is, and it's murder most foul What's new, pussycat? What'd I say? I said the soul of a nation been torn away And it's beginning to go into a slow decay And that it's 36 hours past Judgment Day Wolfman Jack, he's speaking in tongues He's going on and on at the top of his lungs Play me a song, Mr. Wolfman Jack Play it for me in my long Cadillac Play me that "Only the Good Die Young" Take me to the place Tom Dooley was hung Play "St. James Infirmary" and "The Port of King James" If you want to remember, you better write down the names Play Etta James, too Play "I'd Rather Go Blind" Play it for the man with the telepathic mind Play John Lee Hooker Play "Scratch My Back" Play it for that strip club owner named Jack Guitar Slim going down slow Play it for me and for Marilyn Monroe Play "Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" Play it for the First Lady, she ain't feeling any good Play Don Henley Play Glenn Frey Take it to the limit and let it go by Play it for Karl Wirsum, too Looking far, far away at Down Gallow Avenue Play tragedy, play "Twilight Time" Take me back to Tulsa to the scene of the crime Play another one and "Another One Bites the Dust" Play "The Old Rugged Cross" and "In God We Trust" Ride the pink horse down that long, lonesome road Stand there and wait for his head to explode Play "Mystery Train" for Mr. Mystery The man who fell down dead like a rootless tree Play it for the Reverend Play it for the Pastor Play it for the dog that got no master Play Oscar Peterson Play Stan Getz Play "Blue Sky" Play Dickey Betts Play Hot Pepper, Thelonious Monk Charlie Parker and all that junk All that junk and "All That Jazz" Play something for the Birdman of Alcatraz Play Buster Keaton Play Harold Lloyd Play Bugsy Siegel Play Pretty Boy Floyd Play the numbers Play the odds Play "Cry Me A River" for the Lord of the gods Play Number 9 Play Number 6 Play it for Lindsey and Stevie Nicks Play Nat King Cole Play "Nature Boy" Play "Down In The Boondocks" for Terry Malloy Play "It Happened One Night" and "One Night of Sin" There's 12 Million souls that are listening in Play "Merchant to Venice" Play "Merchants of Death" Play "Stella by Starlight" for Lady Macbeth Don't worry, Mr. President Help's on the way Your brothers are coming, there'll be hell to pay Brothers? What brothers? What's this about hell? Tell them, "We're waiting, keep coming" We'll get them as well Love Field is where his plane touched down But it never did get back up off the ground Was a hard act to follow, second to none They killed him on the altar of the rising sun Play "Misty" for me and "That Old Devil Moon" Play "Anything Goes" and "Memphis in June" Play "Lonely At the Top" and "Lonely Are the Brave" Play it for Houdini spinning around his grave Play Jelly Roll Morton Play "Lucille" Play "Deep In a Dream" And play "Driving Wheel" Play "Moonlight Sonata" in F-sharp And "A Key to the Highway" for the king on the harp Play "Marching Through Georgia" and "Dumbaroton's Drums" Play darkness and death will come when it comes Play "Love Me Or Leave Me" by the great Bud Powell Play "The Blood-stained Banner" Play "Murder Most Foul" Source: LyricFind Songwriters: Bob Dylan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbQkyvbw18 |
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16 Jun 20 - 05:10 AM (#4059465) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: JHW In the courtroom of honour the judge pounded his gavel To show that alls equal and that the courts are on the level And he stared at the person who killed for no reason Who just happened to be feeling that way without wanting And he spoke though his cloak most deep and distinguished And he handed out strongly for penalty and repentance William Zumzinger with a six month sentence... (from memory) Great songwriter |
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16 Jun 20 - 06:48 AM (#4059488) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: The Sandman soory jhw i think that is one of the worst bits of songwriting he has ever done, good subject matter, but badly wriiten reminiscent at times of mcgonagle, masters of war is much better |
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16 Jun 20 - 10:50 AM (#4059541) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Dave Sutherland I'm sure that Martin Carthy (along with thousands of others) would disagree with you Sandman; check out the sleeve notes to "Signs of Life". Anyway as far as "Murder Most Foul" is concerned I find it totally mesmerising and the new album, from which it has been lifted, has, to date, received fantastic reviews. Roll on Father's Day and if not I'll have to put my hand in my own pocket. |
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16 Jun 20 - 01:26 PM (#4059567) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Chris C I think by this late date most listeners are firmly in the "Bob is Great" camp, or else consider him overrated and perhaps generally tough to listen to. Personally, I love his work, (and even his much-maligned voice) and this latest epic is no exception. While I doubt it will win over any new fans, I highly recommend it to the existing base(many of us long-time supporters) who I think will find the old master in fine form. It is, of course, quite long, so I'm not sure how often even I'll sit through it, but I strongly encourage at least one good, attentive pass. There are some gems among the many freewheeling stream-of-consciousness-yet-somehow-coherent lines, references, and rhymes. In summary, it's fantastic. I look forward to hearing the rest of the album. |
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16 Jun 20 - 04:47 PM (#4059596) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: JHW I don't like his later voice. He did Christmas shows a couple of years ago and I couldn't listen. Sorry. But I love the songs. |
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16 Jun 20 - 05:22 PM (#4059603) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: The Sandman dave sutherland , i dont care a fiddlers trump what Martin or anybody else thinks, why should i are you influenced by what other perfoprmers in the uk folk revival think,i doubt it so why should i in my opinion dylan has lost the abilty to sing , and in my opinion he has written at the most six good songs. |
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16 Jun 20 - 06:34 PM (#4059613) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Peter T. New album, Rough and Ready Ways, out soon! Peter T. |
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16 Jun 20 - 09:24 PM (#4059637) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: allanwill Not having a singing voice myself, I wish I couldn't sing as good as Dylan! Allan |
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17 Jun 20 - 02:08 AM (#4059646) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST,paperback Written like a extended 20th Century Mother Goose nursery rhyme with a touch of Grimm. Any five lines can stand alone. A work of genius. |
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17 Jun 20 - 02:39 AM (#4059652) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Allan Conn I suppose whether you like someone's music or not is subjective so there are always going to be differences. I have always really liked Dylan's earlier music until the three Christian albums which apart from the odd song I couldn't take too. I liked both "Infidels" and "Oh Mercy" but from then on I really struggled getting past the ever croakier voice and his singing style is now kind of half spoken, croaky and not in truth very melodic. So I never really gave the later material much of a chance until relatively recently. It wasn't really until "Tempest" was released that I gave the albums in between that and "Oh Mercy" a chance. And once you get used to the voice along with "Tempest" another three albums "Time Out Of Mind" "Love And Theft and "Modern Times" are all great listens - for me anyway! The strange thing is with the exception of "Make You Feel My Love" how little of this material is better known outside the world of Dylan fans. There is some great material. So aye his work has been patchy at times but I am looking forward to the new album. Hopefully it is as good as some of these others. Though I full understand how the voice puts some people off. My wife simply won't listen to his more recent albums and in truth only tolerates his earlier singing even on the likes of "Desire" while I think he delivers that album really well. |
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17 Jun 20 - 11:29 AM (#4059711) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST,Peter Laban The review in the Guardian was in favour, five star: Bob Dylan: Rough and Rowdy Ways review – a testament to his eternal greatness |
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18 Jun 20 - 12:04 PM (#4059902) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST,DrWord If blueKlikky doesn’t, some elf will fix. Interesting interview. Dennis https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/arts/music/bob-dylan-rough-and-rowdy-ways.html?referringSource=articleShare |
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19 Jun 20 - 12:25 PM (#4060152) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Dave Sutherland Not that I would advocate that anyone buys, or even reads, the Daily Mail but in today's edition their man gives Rough and Rowday Ways a five star review. |
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20 Jun 20 - 05:30 AM (#4060278) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Allan Conn Just back from a long walk listening to the new Dylan album. I must admit I am impressed. |
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26 Jun 20 - 03:55 PM (#4061571) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: JHW Chart topper |
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26 Jun 20 - 04:43 PM (#4061578) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: RTim Just enjoyed quietly listening to it all.....on YouTube... Tim Radford |
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27 Jun 20 - 05:06 AM (#4061631) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST,maj Thanks for the lyrics. It is Art Pepper not hot pepper |
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27 Jun 20 - 05:09 AM (#4061633) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Joe G I lasted twenty minutes with the new album waiting in vain for something that resembled a melody. Might work as poetry but not as music in my view. I'll admit I'm not a Dylan fan - though I do love Blood on the Tracks |
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27 Jun 20 - 07:03 AM (#4061652) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Backwoodsman Great song. And his croaky talking/singing voice is perfect for it. IMHO, YMMV. |
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27 Jun 20 - 09:25 AM (#4061679) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Never been a fan & not really interested in really - however isn't the phrase 'ROUGH AND ROWDY WAYS' taken from a Doc Watson song- can't recall which. Think I'll stick to Doc Watson & if you want croaky, try Leon Redbone... |
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27 Jun 20 - 10:23 AM (#4061692) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: gillymor My Rough and Rowdy Ways was written by Jimmy Rogers and Elsie McWilliams and Rogers released a recording of it in 1929. Doc did an excellent cover of it, as he did with a number of Rogers songs. I recognize Bob Dylan's genius, still sing some of his songs and consider him one of the best songwriters in history but sometime around the mid-70's I got to where I just didn't care to hear him sing any more though he has continued to write good songs. |
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27 Jun 20 - 10:26 AM (#4061693) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST,Guest Jim,I agree with you. Jimmie Rogers The Yodelling Brakeman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=073MdJzs5xU It was also recorded by the great Doc Watson. |
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27 Jun 20 - 03:45 PM (#4061755) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Jeri Anybody know if Doc Watson or Jimmie Rogers copyrighted that combination of those four words? I'd guess Dylan just liked them. |
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28 Jun 20 - 10:06 PM (#4061962) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST “Murther most foul” ~ the ghost of King Hamlet. (Spelling in firstFolio) |
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30 Jun 20 - 08:06 AM (#4062150) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST,Jerry I shouldn’t get on too high a horse when it comes to arguing that the phrase Rough and Rowdy Ways is pinched from an earlier artiste. Dylan’s lyrics, song titles and even album titles are littered with borrowed phrases and quotations, which you can either view as homage or plagiarism depending on how you rate his body of work overall. Half the fun in listening to his offerings is in spotting all the literary and musical references, from Shakespeare and the Bible, to classic film scripts and song lyrics (including the extensive cannon of songs in folk, blues, country and all points in between). |
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30 Jun 20 - 08:41 AM (#4062157) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST,crumbly 'half the fun in listening to his offerings' ??? Dylan has many admirers & has had recognition as a poet but FUN? I think not! |
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30 Jun 20 - 08:52 AM (#4062159) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST,Jerry ‘Half the fun’ is a borrowed sarcastic phrase in itself, and rarely to be interpreted literally, as in “half the fun in attending funerals is seeing who else turns up.” |
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30 Jun 20 - 04:34 PM (#4062219) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST,paperback It's Bob's Labor of Love, a bit of a labor to love it |
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30 Jun 20 - 05:13 PM (#4062221) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Jeri I haven't heard anything but the title song. As a song, I don't like it. As a sound poem, it's a masterpiece. I think I'd have a serious problem if I wanted it to be what it isn't. |
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30 Jun 20 - 05:46 PM (#4062225) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Stilly River Sage There was a longish review of it this afternoon on Fresh Air (WHYY-FM). It isn't showing up online yet, probably later tonight or tomorrow. |
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30 Jun 20 - 06:05 PM (#4062228) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: GUEST Dylan released a pre-release take of the song back in March 27 of this year. The remarks on that YouTube presentation including one from Mr Dylan himself are worth a read. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbQkyvbw18 |
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01 Jul 20 - 07:30 PM (#4062368) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Neil D Jeri, you can't copyright a title. There are many examples of different songs with the same title. For instance, I was surfing Youtube the other day and was surprised to see a video of David Byrne doing "Dirty Old Town". When I played it I was surprised again since it wasn't the MacColl song at all. Good song though, very Caribbean. I also just listened to the new Dylan album on Youtube and enjoyed it muchly. I like Dylan's singing as he's gotten older and find it soothing. I remember him saying in his autobiography that at some point he had gotten to a point where he thought he couldn't sing anymore and then he stumbled upon a different way of singing that kept him going. As I recall, it had to do with relaxing everything and not trying to force it. And really, if I've come to love Tom Waites rasp, which these days is barely a whisper, embracing Dylan's recent singing style is a piece of cake. |
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01 Jul 20 - 07:41 PM (#4062370) Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul From: Jeri We need to agree on a font color for sarcasm. |