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25 May 21 - 07:47 PM (#4107579) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: (To) Pad the Road (With Me) From: GUEST,# Andy M. Stewart – Haud Your Tongue Dear Sally -- lyrics https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/andy_m_stewart/haud_your_tongue_dear_sally.html https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/andy_m_stewart/haud_your_tongue_dear_sally.html |
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02 Jun 21 - 01:48 AM (#4108512) Subject: RE: ADD: Haud Your Tongue Dear Sally From: Joe Offer # posted the message above in the "Pad the Road" thread, but I don't see the connection. Can anybody tell us about this disturbing song? Is it an Andy M. Stweard composition, or does it have earlier roots? HAUD YOUR TONGUE DEAR SALLY (trad, as sung by Andy M. Stewart) "Oh, hold your tongue, dear Sally, as I gang tae the town And I'll buy for you a jaunting car and a braw white muslin gown I'll buy for you a jaunting car and a braw white muslin gown And likewise a bonnie wee lap dog tae follow your jaunting car" "Oh, the de'il gang wi' your lap dog, you jaunting cars and all For I'd rather hae a young man tae row me fae the wall Oh I'd rather hae a young man wi' no a penny at all Before that I'd hae an old man tae row me fae the wall "For your pipes they're never in order, your chanter's no in tune And I wish that the devil would hae you and put a young man intae your room I wish that the devil would hae you and put a young man intae your room For I'd rather have a young man wi' no penny at all" And now the old man's dead and gone, but he's left her a gey fee He's left tae her ten thousand pounds and all of his lands sae free He's left tae her ten thousand pounds and all of his lands sae free And likewise a bonnie wee lap dog tae follow her jaunting car Oh and now she's gotten her young man wi' no a penny at all Aye now she's gotten her young man tae row her fae the wall But he's smashed her china cups and saucers; aye he's gone and broke them all And he's killed her bonnie wee lap dog that followed her jaunting car https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/andy_m_stewart/haud_your_tongue_dear_sally.html Andy M. Stewart recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-LulT22qrw The melody sounds very much like "Tramps and Hawkers," Peter Emberley, Lakes of Pontchartrain, etc. |
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02 Jun 21 - 01:52 AM (#4108513) Subject: RE: ADD: Haud Your Tongue Dear Sally From: Joe Offer The Traditional Ballad Index says it's traditional: Sally's Love for a Young HusbandDESCRIPTION: The singer complains that her parents married her to a rich old man. She would prefer a "young man without a penny." When her old man dies she marries a young man who rolls her from the wall but kills her dog and breaks her chinaAUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: before 1813 (broadside, Bodleian Harding B 25(955)) LONG DESCRIPTION: Although the singer would rather have a young man, she or her parents apparently find a marriage to the old suitor convenient when he offers Sally such things as a "jaunting car," muslin gowns, china or a lap dog. When her old man dies she marries a young man who rolls her from the wall but kills her lap dog and breaks her china. KEYWORDS: age marriage sex money dog wife youth bargaining bequest husband youth FOUND IN: Britain(England(North),Scotland(Aber)) REFERENCES (3 citations): Greig/Duncan7 1362, "To Row Me frae the Wa" (2 texts) Porter/Gower-Jeannie-Robertson-EmergentSingerTransformativeVoice #43, pp. 190-192, "O Haud Your Tongue, Dear Sally" (1 text, 1 tune) Palmer-EnglishCountrySongbook, #99, "Oh, It Was My Cruel Parents" (1 text, 1 tune) Roud #2897 BROADSIDES: Bodleian, Harding B 25(955), "The Jaunting Cur" ("I have often heard of an old man"), J. Evans (London), 1780-1812; also Firth c.20(74)[some words illegible], Harding B 25(954), "The Jaunting Car"; Harding B 25(953), "The Jaunting Carr" or "Sally's Love for a Young Husband" NOTES [284 words]: Among the identifying lines you may find in a version are: "It was my cruel parents, that first did me trepan" -- an apparent mangling of .".. as you may understand"; the title line that "I'll buy for you a lap-dog To follow your jaunting car"; and the complaint about an old man that "his pipes are out of order And his chanter ne'er in tune." [The "trepan/trapan" line may be original -- one of the meanings of "trepan" is a trick. So the parents might have tricked the girl. However, this is a rare usage. - RBW] The title of the earliest Bodleian broadside, "The Jaunting Cur," appears not to be a misprint. When the old man offers to buy her "a little lap-dog To follow you to the fair," she says "I do not value your lap-dog Nor you, you jaunting cur." The answer in later broadside becomes "To the Devil with your Lapdog, Your jauunting car also." In Greig/Duncan7 he buys her the dog and car but her young husband "killed my little wee lap dog and broke my jaunting car." Greig/Duncan7 1362A tells the essential story. The broadsides may end with the singer's complaint about an old man (Bodleian Harding B 25(955) and Firth c.20(74)), or when she takes a young lover (Bodleian Harding B 25(953)), or with her old man's death and her marriage to a young man, or with her dissatisfaction, after all, with the young man she married (Bodleian Harding B 25(954)). The advice in the Greig/Duncan7 text is "Far better to be an auld man's pet with servants at my call For you can easily hire a young man to roll you from the wall." This solution to the problem is also in "The Whirley Wha." - BS As Porter and Gower note, the song may have journeyed from Scotland to Ireland and then back (p. 192). - DGE Last updated in version 5.3 File: GrD71362 Go to the Ballad Search form Go to the Ballad Index Instructions The Ballad Index Copyright 2021 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. |
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02 Jun 21 - 02:23 AM (#4108517) Subject: ADD Version: To Row Me Frae the Wa From: Joe Offer Greig-Duncan 1362 A TO ROW ME FRAE THE WA To Roll Me From the Wall My parents treated me cruelly as you may understand They made me marry an old man for his riches and his land But I’d rather marry a young man without a penny at all For he could take me in his arms and he’d roll me from the wall. At night when my old man comes to bed he’s as cold as any stone His pipes are out of order and his gent is never in tune I wish that death would seize him and take him at his call And I’d easily get a young man to roll me from the wall. Now my old man he’s dead and gone and his riches to me he’s left them all Five thousand guineas bright and glittering without his houses and his lan And it’s now I’ve got a young man for to roll me from the wall. After the honeymoon was over he began to loose his charms He’s killed my little dog that followed my jaunting car And he’s broken all my china ware he’s broken and smashed it all So I think I’m paying dear for a young man to roll me from the wall. Come all ye young fair maids a warning take from me To never marry a young man except he has the fee Far better to be an auld man’s pet with servants at my call For you can easily hire a young man to roll you from the wall. Singer Miss ANNIE SHIRER — collected by Greig #1362, page 156 in Volume 7 of the Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection |
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02 Jun 21 - 02:29 AM (#4108519) Subject: ADD Version: To Row Me Frae the Wa From: Joe Offer Greig-Duncan 1362 B TO ROW ME FRAE THE WA 1. I wish that my auld man were dead and a young man in his room. 2.Oh hold your tongue pretty Nancy till I gae to the toon I’ll buy to you some china dishes likewise a satin gown. There’s nae a lady in a’ the land wi’ you that shall compare I’ll buy a little wee lap dog to follow your jaunting car. 3. The devel gae wi’ your lap dog yer jaunting car likewise For a’ that I want is a young man wi’ twa black rolling eyes Wi’ twa black rolling eyes and without a penny ava That will tak me in his arms and row me frae the wa. 4. Before six months had come and gone then he began to waur He killed my little wee lap dog and broke my jaunting car And he has broke my china dishes my . . . . . . and a’ And surely I’ve repented my rowin frae the wa’. Singer - Miss BELL ROBERTSON — Collected by Greig #1362, page 156 in Volume 7 of the Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection |
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02 Jun 21 - 10:42 AM (#4108543) Subject: RE: Origins: Haud Your Tongue Dear Sally /Jaunting Car From: GUEST,# I have no idea why I posted that link. My apologies. The melody also shares similarities with "Roddy McCorley". |