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BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)

07 Jul 20 - 04:52 PM (#4063274)
Subject: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: keberoxu

The Washington Post has got hold of a copy of
Mary Trump's book about her uncle and the Trump family.
They are printing little sound-bites from the book already.


07 Jul 20 - 06:15 PM (#4063282)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

Mary says Donald did not go to the hospital with his dieing brother but went to the movies instead.


07 Jul 20 - 10:39 PM (#4063298)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: keberoxu

And now
the New York Times,
having got a copy of the book,
is getting into the act.


08 Jul 20 - 12:33 AM (#4063300)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Stilly River Sage

If you can't get MSNBC live, listen to the snippets of the Rachel Maddow show tomorrow. On July 7 she read long passages from the book (having gotten a copy herself today and read it cover to cover before the show).


08 Jul 20 - 03:38 AM (#4063309)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Ebbie

It is a pity that this kind of thing didn't come along when he was simply a candidate.


08 Jul 20 - 06:11 AM (#4063322)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

Of course all the info on Trump was here during his candidacy but you chose to either not to believe it or not care and ignore the warnings.


08 Jul 20 - 06:36 AM (#4063324)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: gillymor

You must have a pretty good view from that high horse.


08 Jul 20 - 06:57 AM (#4063327)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

All the posts here are time stamped so even in this small pond one can see what was reported and when. There is also the fact of what is said by the candidate himself or by tweet.

Much has been said about the President going with his gut. There are only two things that guts produce. Gas and crap.


08 Jul 20 - 07:23 AM (#4063329)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Helen

Well, gillymor, hindsight is 20/20 vision.

Personally, the big alarm bell for me - if I had been eligible to vote in your elections - was when he would not present his tax records.


08 Jul 20 - 07:42 AM (#4063332)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: gillymor

There have been so many single moments that should have disqualified him from consideration for one of the most difficult and important jobs on earth in the minds of all but the most greedy, stupid and racist individuals among us and breaking with the tradition of releasing his tax returns is certainly one of them. The SCOTUS could right that wrong very soon, or not.


08 Jul 20 - 08:55 AM (#4063342)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: John MacKenzie

So they say he paid someone else to take his university entrance examination. Now why does that not surprise me? What surprises me is that he had any formal education at all.


08 Jul 20 - 09:25 AM (#4063344)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: gillymor

trump said of his graduation from Wharton that he "had the highest possible grades" but the graduation program doesn't list him among the honors students. That program is about the only document regarding his academic career he's allowed to squeak through the cracks. Interestingly he's called into question the legitimacy of President Obama's academic record though it's well documented that Prez O graduated magna cum lauda from Harvard Law School and was elected president of the Harvard Law Review.
trump brings to mind that old joke about GH Bush-
-How do you know he's lying?
-His lips are moving.


08 Jul 20 - 09:35 AM (#4063346)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Jos

Maybe 'the highest possible grades' means they were the highest he was capable of achieving. It doesn't say how 'high' they were.


08 Jul 20 - 10:37 AM (#4063354)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Doug Chadwick

If the author is a member of the Trump family, can we trust everything that is written? We should beware of believing every anti-Trump story just because it is what we want to hear.

DC


08 Jul 20 - 11:02 AM (#4063360)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Stilly River Sage

She sounds like a throwback to "normal people." She and her brother were cheated out of their inheritance by the rest of the family, so some will claim "sour grapes."

The book must be going into extra printings; when I tried to order the hardback they said delivery would be sometime in August, so I cancelled that and ordered the Kindle version.


08 Jul 20 - 11:16 AM (#4063366)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

From a clinical psychologist point of view I see that Mary has made an accurate diagnosis. That she is family makes her more than an expert witness. I made the same dignosis as Mary in posts here without the benefit of as many years of experiencing the behavior of Donald Trump.
At this point it is still opinion without a battery of tests that Donald has not submitted to. The only tests he hs taken has questions that show he can discern a rhino from a giraffe and elephant.
You be the judge, you can always 'go with your gut'.


08 Jul 20 - 11:45 AM (#4063374)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: gillymor

O gawd, give me strength.


08 Jul 20 - 03:41 PM (#4063404)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

if you had strength what would you do with it?


08 Jul 20 - 07:29 PM (#4063428)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Stilly River Sage

I wish there was a clear link in the DT to the song by Woodie Guthrie. Is it "Old Man Trump" or tied to something else?


09 Jul 20 - 01:29 PM (#4063524)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Bee-dubya-ell

Trump's grounds for attempting to block the book's publication was a supposed agreement among Trump family members to refrain from publishing disparaging material about one another.

That such an agreement would be considered necessary says volumes.

The only other families I'm aware of who have similar agreements are what are usually called "Mafia Families".


09 Jul 20 - 05:18 PM (#4063554)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: saulgoldie

To those who did not *actively choose* to ignore them, all the facts we needed to know to anticipate the Trump catastrophuk were in plain sight. Some people knew them and casually dismissed them. Some people did not recognize the true danger, and refrained from voting. I am not sure that this book would have made much difference back then. Other than "piling on," I don't know how much difference it makes even now. He is still who he always was; no surprises. At this point, whose mind that might be swayed has not already been made up? I honestly do not understand.

Saul


09 Jul 20 - 06:03 PM (#4063559)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

I agree.
Now the clever Biden strategy of running against the most lethal hated social psychopath and ignorant ass hole in the world, seems to be working.

Even Obama had a similar advantage of having such a dismal predecessor like W, despite running against Mitt the 'all white guy'.


10 Jul 20 - 01:01 AM (#4063597)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Neil D

Speaking of Trump's academic record, one gem from Mary's book is that he got into Wharton by paying a smart guy to take his SAT.


10 Jul 20 - 02:26 AM (#4063601)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Mr Red

So all we need is to find that guy? Was trump savvy enough to do it through lawyers? If not, I bet he has retrospectively.

Another Stormy Daniels in a teacup?


12 Jul 20 - 08:17 PM (#4063929)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: keberoxu

I'll have to look up Woody Guthrie's "Old Man Trump"
because I forget which Mr. Trump the song is about.


Mary Trump's book includes her conclusion that
Donald Trump's, shall we say, condition is all about
his father, Fred Sr.,
according to the Washington Post.


13 Jul 20 - 12:07 PM (#4064019)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Stilly River Sage

This book is released on Wednesday. If you have ordered it via Kindle be sure to turn it on so it will download automatically.

The odd thing (still/so far) is that she still can't speak about it publicly while the non-disclosure agreement (NDA) is active; it seems to be generally understood that NDA's don't stand in the face of hiding a criminal enterprise. And since the family cheated Mary and her brother on the estate proceeds, the NDA should be thrown out as bogus. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/04/mary-trump-book-nda-fraudulent-financial-information.

    Earlier this week, a judge in New York granted a temporary restraining order against Mary Trump and the publisher. But in a sign that the book is likely to come out regardless, Simon & Schuster was released from the order, after saying it had printed 75,000 copies and started to ship them to sellers, and had been unaware of the NDA.


The family that lies together hides together as Trump tries to block his niece from speaking. He can't block the writing, that cat's out of the bag.

    In a statement, Ted Boutrous, a lawyer for Mary Trump, called the order in New York supreme court in Dutchess county “a prior restraint on core political speech that flatly violates the first amendment”.

    The book, he said, “addresses matters of great public concern and importance about a sitting president in election year [and] should not be suppressed even for one day”.


Legal document.


15 Jul 20 - 02:01 PM (#4064308)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

A judge has cleared Mary to be able to give interviews but I haven't seen any.


15 Jul 20 - 02:52 PM (#4064313)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Ebbie

I saw snippets last night of an interview she had yesterday (I believe) with George Stephannopolus (sp). Of course, given covid, it was done by video.


15 Jul 20 - 04:39 PM (#4064325)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: gillymor

If Mary does start doing interviews the old bunker inspector is going to feel it's impact twice. All these lawsuits indicate he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, of course there are plenty of other indicators to that effect these days.


15 Jul 20 - 05:21 PM (#4064332)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

I agree with Penny :^/


16 Jul 20 - 02:16 AM (#4064372)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (Mary Trump)
From: Mr Red

Donald Trump's, shall we say, condition is all about his father, Fred Sr.,

There was an interview including with her life-long friend who was acting as a spoke-person. And a lawyer also gave an assessment that Simon & Schuster were not part of the original gagging order so would not be bound by it. AND alluded to Mary's lawyers who were citing fraud in the splitting of the inheritance.

Mary is a psychologist, Uni lecturer no less, which adds credence to her assessment. The spokes-person said Mary stands to loose a lot in this debacle but felt obligated as a US (& world) citizen.

Trumps lawyers said it was an attempt to affect the Nov elections.
Which a "Legal Eagle" on U toob is adamant Trump cannot use Article 2 to delay (or stay) because - The Constitution says............. - well watch the video.

Hallelujah X2.


16 Jul 20 - 04:03 AM (#4064381)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Ebbie

Mary Trump is scheduled to be on the Rachel Maddow show tomorrow (Thursday, July 16).

From what M. Trump says, the father, Fred Trump, sr, was a real piece of work. So far I haven't heard any discussion of *his* father; DJT's grandfather emigrated from Germany. The story goes that he immigrated to America to avoid military duty in Germany and that later he petitioned the German government to allow him to return but was denied.


16 Jul 20 - 04:52 AM (#4064389)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: gillymor

I suppose bone spurs are hereditary.


17 Jul 20 - 12:26 AM (#4064519)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Ebbie

Interesting hour with Rachel Maddow.


17 Jul 20 - 12:20 PM (#4064604)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Stilly River Sage

Yes it was. Here is a link to the Pulitzer Award-winning stories by David Barstow, Susanne Craig and Russ Buettner of The New York Times. Mary Trump contributed tax documents to help them write these stories.

"For an exhaustive 18-month investigation of President Donald Trump’s finances that debunked his claims of self-made wealth and revealed a business empire riddled with tax dodges. (Moved by the Board from the Investigative Reporting category, where it was also entered.)"

Once she'd participated in these, and when the whole thing with children taken from the families at the border began, she decided it was time to speak out.


18 Jul 20 - 10:15 AM (#4064755)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Mr Red

Captain Catastrophe's grandfather has been described as running a brothel at one time. Anyone remember where that factoid came from?


18 Jul 20 - 01:24 PM (#4064785)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: meself

While I welcome the book, we knew all we needed to know about drumpf a long time ago. If you took one look at this person in 2016 and said, This man should be president, then ... well, that thought leaves me at a loss for words ....


19 Jul 20 - 09:26 AM (#4064902)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

Too much hair dye and not enough bronzer.
Too much belly and not enough fingers.
Too much conspiracy and not enough clarity.
Too much aberrancy and not enough ability.
Too much tyranny and not enough liberty.
Too much tie and not enough zipper clearance.
Too much porn and not enough horn.
Too much Ivanka and not enough Melania.
Too much bankruptcy and not enough cash.
Too much Putin and not enough Washington.
Too much Roger Stone and not enough Michael Cohen.
Too much Nazi not enough kofefe.
Too much Klan not enough man.
Too much confederacy not enough mentality.


19 Jul 20 - 10:06 AM (#4064908)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

Too much disease and not enough expertise.


19 Jul 20 - 04:33 PM (#4064973)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Helen

Mr Red, a member of our session group in Oz told us that Trump's grandfather ran a brothel in the small town in Canada where our friend grew up.

I just found this article with a section on Frederick Trump's hotels and brothels.


19 Jul 20 - 07:38 PM (#4064998)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Stilly River Sage

No surprise there. When you look at the photos of the grandparents you can see that they get that broad jawline from the grandmother. And it's interesting that the grandfather was accused of being a draft dodger and lost his Bavarian citizenship because of it.


19 Jul 20 - 08:23 PM (#4065002)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: keberoxu

The grandmother warrants a bit of attention, it seems to me.
This is Elisabeth Trump, née Christ -- her maiden name
became the middle name of Donald Trump's father,
Frederick Christ Trump (pronounced 'krist' , I suppose).

After all, Fred Trump Senior was rather young when
his father died during the influenza pandemic;
and it was the widow, Elisabeth Trump, who went on with the real estate business.
Because Fred Trump Senior was a minor,
his widowed mother Elisabeth had to sign everything for him
and pretty much manage the business that he worked in, until
he came of age himself.
So, Fred Senior must have had his character formed
as much by his widowed mother as by his father.

I saw an anecdote that the long-lived widow Elisabeth,
when Fred Senior was at the peak of his own real estate career,
would go around to all the Trump residential properties,
to all of the coin-operated laundry rooms for tenants,
and take all the coins out of the washer and dryer machines ...


21 Jul 20 - 05:28 PM (#4065319)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

You are an avid reader so did you ever find that
it is true that his great great great great grandfather was a baboon?


21 Jul 20 - 06:50 PM (#4065326)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: keberoxu

An insult to baboons if ever I heard one.


24 Jul 20 - 12:43 AM (#4065632)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Ebbie

That was an interesting read, Helen. It appears that the Trumps have a knack for making money. It would be even more interesting to read an account of Friedrich's personal life. It doesn't seem likely that with the advent of Fred, Sr.the trumps suddenly discovered their despicable side.


24 Jul 20 - 12:59 AM (#4065634)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: freda underhill

I read the book last week. It seems Elizabeth Trump built the empire, Fred Senior consolidated it and Donald went bankrupt five times. The author Mary Trump has written a very good book, detailing formative influences in Donald's life (including the illness and absence of Donald's mother when he was very young). I hope for a change in American politics in November.


24 Jul 20 - 01:35 AM (#4065638)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: robomatic

Mary Trump interviewed by Terry Gross today on Public Radio's Fresh Air. Should be available via internet audio stream.


24 Jul 20 - 06:35 AM (#4065664)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Steve Shaw

There was a long interview with her on Woman's Hour on BBC Radio 4 this morning.


24 Jul 20 - 07:04 AM (#4065669)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Jos

Link for Woman's Hour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l2ch

You might have to sign in to listen to it.


24 Jul 20 - 07:45 AM (#4065674)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Steve Shaw

Thanks!


24 Jul 20 - 11:26 AM (#4065699)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: robomatic

Fresh Air Interview- Transcript and access to the audio stream


24 Jul 20 - 11:28 AM (#4065700)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Stilly River Sage

Fresh Air July 23, 2020 show with the Mary Trump interview.

I've made time to start reading the book. Apparently Ms. Trump has a an academic literature background and as Rachel Maddow remarked, it shows. The book is well written, pulls you along.


26 Jul 20 - 05:55 PM (#4065996)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Helen

I just watched an interview which aired last night on Oz TV. Mary Trump appeared to be rational, well-informed, balanced, empathetic, with her expertise in her psychological field very much to the fore. I might read the book just based on that interview so that I can look more deeply into what she is saying.


27 Jul 20 - 03:16 PM (#4066163)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Donuel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp_Ew98D4OM

ABC


30 Jul 20 - 12:51 AM (#4066509)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Ebbie

OK, I know this is not the fAcebook Martin guitar page but I also know there are a good many musicians here.

So, I have a question.

Today Mary Trump was a guest on The REIDout show. Trump, of course, was in her own home.

Against the wall leaned a guitar; I am wondering what kind it is. The headstock had a gentle slope on each side with a flat, squared mesa joining the slopes. (These are NOT technical terms)

But what kind is it?


30 Jul 20 - 07:15 AM (#4066536)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: gillymor

I can't quite read the script, Ebbie, but judging from the slotted head stock and the design of it I think it's a Taylor nylon string.


01 Aug 20 - 08:50 PM (#4066922)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Ebbie

Thank you, Gillymor.


24 Sep 20 - 12:50 PM (#4072999)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: keberoxu

Look at this!

The New York Times: Mary Trump sues Donald Trump, his sister Maryanne, and the whole Trump family


24 Sep 20 - 05:32 PM (#4073029)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Mr Red

In the great chess game this is, surely she has to sue Captain Catastrophe and his siblings. Twitler threatens, she counters. She then has documents in a law court that would be used to defend against his actions. Assuming he is stoopid enough to carry out the threats.

And doesn't half (plus a bit) of the USA want her to go for the jugular? Plus a sizeable portion of the rest of the world, that isn't in Putin's pocket.


24 Sep 20 - 07:37 PM (#4073042)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Stilly River Sage

If one of the surviving siblings concurs, then it's game over. But they will give up income in the process, and they're Trumps. This does hit him where it hurts - the documents he doesn't want to share need to come out.


26 Sep 20 - 03:47 PM (#4073228)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: keberoxu

There are narcissists in my own family of origin as well,
even though they are not Trumps.

The detail that I cannot get out of my head,
is an image without Donald Trump in it.
It is the image of Mary Trump secretly recording a conversation
with Maryanne Trump Barry,
whom Mary Trump is now suing.


26 Sep 20 - 05:47 PM (#4073247)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Stilly River Sage

In Texas it is legal to make a recording of a conversation if one person knows it is being recorded. You'll have to look at the rules from state to state to decide if it passes the smell test. In a family of vipers like the Trumps, protecting herself by recording conversations makes perfect sense.


28 Sep 20 - 01:20 AM (#4073418)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Ebbie

OK, another bombshell. The New York Times has acquired trump's tax records of the last 20 years. They are, let's say, interesting. For 11 of the last 18 he paid zero, zip, federal taxes. In both 2008 and 2009, when he was elected president he paid $750.00 in Federal taxes. That is Seven Hundred Fifty dollars.

Will he slide out of this? Will the polls suddenly show him leading among the electorate? Will he emerge triumphant? It doesn't seem possible but I suppose it is. His base seems impermeable. What scares me is the crowds he draws- if they are indicative of his standing among MOST American voters, we are doomed.

Incidentally I am one person who never saw The Apprentice but I had known of him for a number of years. It never occurred to me that anyone would take him seriously in the world of politics and that view was only enhanced by his couple of abortive attempts to run.


28 Sep 20 - 02:28 AM (#4073419)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: JennieG

Ebbie - you and I might be horrified (although not surprised), but I can't help wondering how many of his fan base will admire him for this?

"Gee, I wonder how I could weasel out of paying taxes too? He must be pretty smart to be able to get away with it."

Or something along those lines.


28 Sep 20 - 04:48 PM (#4073518)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Ebbie

Oh dear. You could be right. In trying to get inside my brother's head - he is a trumper - I don't THINK that would be his response, I THINK that he would/will be more along the lines of 'It's just another liberal lie!'. On the other hand, I was wrong in thinking he'd never fall for the Con, so what do I know.


30 Sep 20 - 05:53 PM (#4073786)
Subject: RE: BS: Too Much And Not Enough (book by Mary Trump)
From: Stilly River Sage

Mary Trump has a lot to say about the Trumps and taxes. In a nutshell, the Trumps hate to pay them and cheat to avoid doing so.