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26 Jan 21 - 10:14 PM (#4090109) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Ballade De Mercy From: RunrigFan I added wrong album oops |
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11 Feb 21 - 11:15 PM (#4092707) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Ballade De Mercy From: RunrigFan Does anyone have a translation |
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12 Feb 21 - 01:27 AM (#4092712) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Ballade De Mercy From: Monique I'll do it. |
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12 Feb 21 - 02:16 AM (#4092716) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Ballade De Mercy From: Monique Well, some people having a better command of English than me did it better. Here are some links Original poem in original spelling (though it won't make it clearer!) Translated by H. de Vere Stacpoole (1914) -though he left many old words untranslated. The "unprintable words" are "farts and burps" Translated by John Payne (1918?) Translated by Robert Louis Stevenson (1917) and for those who understand Danish and can read blackletter En Pariser students bekjendelser (1892) |
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12 Feb 21 - 06:41 AM (#4092748) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Ballade De Mercy From: Monique Here's the more literal translation I came up to, with some notes. BALLAD 15 - BY WHICH FRANÇOIS VILLON CRIES MERCY TO EVERYONE To Carthusians and Celestines monks, To beggars and devotees, To loafers and shoe slappers/scamps(1), To servants and cute/elegant girls Wearing surcoats and tight-fitted tunic dresses, To presumptuous transfixed with love Without embarrassment wearing tawny boots(2), To all people I cry mercy. To young girls showing their nipples, To have widely more guests, To crooks, troublemakers, To tumblers dragging trunks, To scatterbrains, to jokers, Who go whistling in [groups of] five and six To widows (3) and puppets/Virgin Mary figurines (4), To all people I cry mercy. Except to the traitor mastiff dogs(5) That made me eat hard [bread] crusts, Chew many evenings and mornings,(6) [So much] that now I don't fear three droppings(7). I'd make farts and burps for them; I cannot, for I am seated. Furthermore, to avoid quarrels, To all people I cry mercy. Let them have their fifteen ribs (8) crumpled With big, strong and massive mallets, Clubs and such balls. To all people I cry mercy. (1) young men who wanted to attract young ladies' attention would go out of the church flapping their "patins" – (Shoe consisting of a plate -generally wooden- more or less richly decorated, resting on the ground by a more or less thick sole, and fixed to the foot by means of straps. - Other sources say it means "galopin" = scalawag, scamp (2) Tawny boots were actually laced ankle boots and the tawny color showed publicly that the person was in love/a lover. -I'm not really sure "méhaing" to mean "embarrassment/shame" but the primary meaning of "mutilation" doesn't seem to fit. (3) Some versions have "marmousets" = young children (4) A "mariotte" was an image / figurine of Virgin Mary (hence the word = "little Mary") or a puppet. Could it mean here well-behaved young ladies? Mystère et boule de gomme ! (5) The bishop of Orléans and his officers who jailed him (in Fr.). (6) Some versions have " Et boire eau maintz soirs et matins," = "And drink water many evenings and mornings" 7) I couldn't make three droppings (8) At that time people believed men had only 15 ribs while women had 16 because the Bible says that God took a rib from Adam to make Eve. |
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12 Feb 21 - 06:42 AM (#4092749) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Ballade De Mercy From: Monique Zut! 6th line "To presumptous [young men]..." |
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12 Feb 21 - 06:43 AM (#4092750) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Ballade De Mercy From: Monique Presumptuous!!!! |
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21 Feb 21 - 08:31 AM (#4094115) Subject: Lyr Add: Vor Vollen Schüsseln From: RunrigFan Vor vollen Schüsseln Vor vollen Schüsseln muß ich Hungers sterben Am heißen Ofen frier ich mich zu Tod' Wohin ich greife fallen nichts als Scherben Bis zu den Zähnen steht mir schon der Kot Bis zu den Zähnen steht mir schon der Kot Von meinem Schädel ist das letzte Haar Zu einem blanken Silbermond vereint Ich hab kaum ein Feigenblatt es anzuziehen Ich überall verehrt und angespien Ich überall verehrt und angespien Ich bin mit Unglück bis zum Halse voll Und schlafe auch unter dem Holunderstrauch Auf den noch nie ein Stern herunter schien Ich überall verehrt und angespien Ich überall verehrt und angespien Ich überall verehrt und angespien Ich überall verehrt und angespien found online, bbyCorvus corax, words François Villon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REDZDEEFxVM not sure if accurate |
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21 Feb 21 - 09:15 AM (#4094123) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Vor Vollen Schüsseln From: Reinhard There are a few more lines: Vor vollen Schüsseln Corvus Corax Vor vollen Schüsseln muss ich Hungers sterben, am heißen Ofen frier ich mich zu Tod, wohin ich greife, fallen nichts als Scherben, bis zu den Zähnen geht mir schon der Kot. Und wenn ich lache, habe ich geweint, und wenn ich weine, bin ich froh, dass mir zuweilen auch einmal die Sonne scheint, als könnte ich im Leben ebenso zerknirscht wie in der Kirche niederknien… ich, überall verehrt und angespien, ich, überall verehrt und angespien. Nichts ist's mir sichrer als das nie Gewisse, nichts sonnenklarer als die schwarze Nacht. Nur das ist mein, was ich betrübt vermisse, und was ich liebte, hab ich umgebracht. Erst wenn ich denke, dass ich gestern war, bin ich erst heute zugereist. Auf meinem Schädel ist das letzte Haar zu einem blanken Silbermond vereist. Ich habe kein Feigenblatt, es anzuziehn… ich, überall verehrt und angespien, ich, überall verehrt und angespien. Ich habe dennoch soviel Mut zu hoffen, dass mir sehr bald die ganze Welt zuhört, und stehn mir wirklich alle Türen offen, schlag ich sie wieder zu, weil es mich stört, dass ich aus goldnen Schüsseln fressen soll. Toll sind die Würmer nach meinem Bauch, ich bin mit Unglück bis zum Halse voll und bleib auch unter dem Holunderstrauch, auf den noch nie ein Stern hernieder schien, ich, überall verehrt und angespien, ich, überall verehrt und angespien. The original, slightly different, verses with the title "Die Ballade von den Vogelfreien" are in François Villon, Paul Zech: Die Balladen und lasterhaften Lieder des Herrn François Villon in deutscher Nachdichtung, Weimar 1931, p.72. |
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21 Feb 21 - 09:33 AM (#4094126) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Vor Vollen Schüsseln From: RunrigFan https://chirb.it/nv3Ohm |
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22 Feb 21 - 04:23 PM (#4094336) Subject: Lyr Add: Ougenweide From: RunrigFan From band of the same name Ougenweide Komen ist uns eine liehtiu ougenweide Man siht der rosen wunder uf der heide Die bluomen dringent durch daz gras Wie schone ein wise getouwet was Da mir min geselle zeinen kranze las Da mir min geselle zeinen kranze las Nu ist der küele winder gar zergangen Diu naht ist kurz, der tac beginnet langen Sich hebet an ein wünneclichiu zit Die al der werlde vreude git Baz gesungen nie die vogel e noch sit Baz gesungen nie die vogel e noch sit Komen ist uns eine liehtiu ougenweide Man siht der rosen wunder uf der heide Die bluomen dringent durch daz gras Wie schone ein wise getouwet was Da mir min geselle zeinen kranze las Da mir min geselle zeinen kranze las Der walt hat siner grise gar vergezzen Der meie ist uf einen grüenez zwi gesezzen Er hat gewunnen loubes vil Bint dir balde, trutgespil Du weist wol, daz ich mit einem ritter will Du weist wol, daz ich mit einem ritter will Daz gehörte der mägde muoter tougen Si sprach "behalde hinne vür din luogen Din wankelmuot ist offenbar Wint ein hüetel um din har Du muost an die dinen wat, wilt an die schar Du muost an die dinen wat, wilt an die schar." "Muoter min, wer gap iu daz ze lehen Daz ich iuch miner waete solde vlehen Dern gespunnet ir nie vadem Lazet ruowen solhen kradem Wa nu slüzzel?, sliuz uf balde mir das gadem Wa nu slüzzel?, sliuz uf balde mir das gadem." Diu wat diu was in einem schrin versperret Daz wart bi einem staffel uf gezerret Diu alte ir leider nie gesach Do daz kint in kisten brach Do gezweic ir zunge, daz si niht ensprach Do gezweic ir zunge, daz si niht ensprach Dar uz nam sie das röckel also balde Das was gelegen in maniger kleinen valde Ir gürtel was ein rieme smal In des hant von Riuwental Warf diu stolze maget ir gickelvehen bal Warf diu stolze maget ir gickelvehen bal Neidhart Von Reuental Ougenweyde Corvus Corax Komen ist uns eine liehtiu Ougenweyde Man siht der rosen wunder uf der heide Die bluomen dringent durch das gras Wie schone ein wise getouwet was Da mir min geselle zeinem kranze las! Nu ist der küele winder gar zergangen Diu naht ist kurz, der tac beginnet langen Es hebet sich eine wünneclichiu zit Diu all der werlde vreude giht Baz gesungen nie der vogel e noch sit Der walt hat siner grise gar vergezzen Der meie ist uf ein grüenez zwi gesezzen Er hat gewunnen loubes vil Bint dir balde, trutgespil Du weist wol, daz ich mit einem ritter wil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy35Cvjs5Q8 |
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22 Feb 21 - 05:57 PM (#4094356) Subject: Lyr Add: Mille Anni Passi Sunt From: RunrigFan Mille Anni Passi Sunt Oh dragul meu me misuie focul iubirii Ceea ce am fost, esti tu acum O mie de ani au trecut Ceea ce sint vei fii tu O mie de ani au trecut Quod fuimus estes Quod sumus fos erites Mille anni passi sunt Viata va fi schimbata si nu lunata Simt si acum buzele tale pegitul meu Dragul meu, tu mai facut nemuritoare Te vreau toata Quod fuimus estes… Corvus Corax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl_PTSriVMc |
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22 Feb 21 - 09:34 PM (#4094376) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Mille Anni Passi Sunt From: Joe Offer What language is this? It kinda sounds like Latin, but not like any Latin I learned in 6 years. If you want to post songs, take your time and learn something about them and tell us. Follow the standard Mudcat format specified in the FAQ:
then the songwriter name in parentheses Then a blank line then the lyrics then a double blank line Then source information and any background information. But most of the songs you've been posting are unsourced, untitled, and unexplained. In other words, they're crap. We're not a dump for any old lyrics you happen to find on the Internet. We expect quality lyrics posts, not crap. -Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor, trained in Latin, German, Greek, and Spanish- |
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22 Feb 21 - 09:43 PM (#4094378) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Mille Anni Passi Sunt From: RunrigFan Crap? oh cheers It's Romanian From the album from the same name The others are sourced mainly from Tempi Antiquuii those are from the internet as the CD doesn't have lyrics. |
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22 Feb 21 - 09:44 PM (#4094379) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Mille Anni Passi Sunt From: RunrigFan In other words, they're crap. We're not a dump for any old lyrics you happen to find on the Internet. We expect quality lyrics posts, not crap. Not a nice way to talk to your members |
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22 Feb 21 - 10:23 PM (#4094381) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Mille Anni Passi Sunt From: Joe Offer I suspected the song might be in Romanian, a rather obscure Romance language that is fairly closely related to Latin. And since I'm fluent in Latin, I can understand most of it. Do you speak Romanian? Latin? You seem to be compulsively posting lyrics, basically dumping lyrics on us. If you post lyrics without explanation and without your own understanding, it's basically Spam, and we tend to block Spammers. We deserve intelligently presented lyrics. Take your time, and teach us something. But if you keep just dumping lyrics on us, you're going to be blocked. Most of know nothing about "Corvus Corax," and that's something you need to tell us. Start out by telling us about Corvus Corax and their recordings, and THEN present their songs, one at a time, and discuss them. Thank you. -Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor- |
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22 Feb 21 - 10:34 PM (#4094382) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Mille Anni Passi Sunt From: RunrigFan Nice to feel not welcomed. I don't know many lyrics posted here. |
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22 Feb 21 - 10:37 PM (#4094383) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Mille Anni Passi Sunt From: RunrigFan So I have to understand the language nice!!!!!! |
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22 Feb 21 - 10:46 PM (#4094384) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Mille Anni Passi Sunt From: Joe Offer It's a matter of your knowing what you're talking about. If you don't, then STOP! We welcome your speaking about what you know, but have no need for your posting things you don't understand. And please understand that you are very close to being blocked. -Joe Offer- |
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22 Feb 21 - 11:09 PM (#4094388) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Mille Anni Passi Sunt From: RunrigFan I don't know the lyrics or translation, but I know a bit of info about the band. I'm not going to bore you But Corvus Corax was formed in 1989 in (East) Germany. They are known for playing neo-Medieval music using authentic instruments. Their name is the Latin name for the common raven. The band often uses bagpipes as the solo instrument; their live performances attract attention with the bizarre look of the musicians being reminiscent of ancient Greek myths: half-naked, dressed in unusual clothes, wearing primitive tribal decorations, often tattooed. They have gone through many changes, but have been together for 30 years. They released their first album Ante Casu Peccati (1989) Congregatio (1991) Inter Deum Et Diabolum Semper Musica Est (1993) Tritonus (1995) Live auf dem Wäscherschloß (1998) Viator (1998) Tempi Antiquii (1999, compilation of works from 1988 to 1992) Mille Anni Passi Sunt (2000 – limited edition of 2000 copies issued as 'MM') In Electronica Remixe (2000) Seikilos (2002) Gaudia Vite (live) (2003) Best of Corvus Corax (2005) Cantus Buranus (2005) Cantus Buranus Live in Berlin (2006) Venus Vina Musica (2006) Kaltenberg anno MMVII (2007) Cantus Buranus II Cantus Buranus – Das Orgelwerk Live in Berlin Sverker (2011) Sverker Live at Summer Breeze & Castlefest (2011) Gimlie (2013) Ars Mystica – Selectio 1989–2016 (2016) Der Fluch der Drachen (2017) Skál (2018) Tanzwut EP (1996) Corvus Corax erzählen Märchen aus alter Zeit EP (2000) Hymnus Cantica CDS (2002) They have performed all around the world, playing to many crowds and still make music today. They draw inspiration from Carmina Burana, with many songs in Latin, some in Old French/Ottican, Irish to name a few The original members are Castus Rabensang, Meister Selbfried who were researchers in the music |
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22 Feb 21 - 11:34 PM (#4094390) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: Joe Offer That's better. Please keep all Corvus Corax songs in this thread, and give us a chance to discuss them here.. Thank you. -Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor- |
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23 Feb 21 - 02:22 AM (#4094394) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: Reinhard "Ougenweide" is a song in Mittelhochdeutsch (Middle High German, 1050-1350), not Romanian. It was a signature song of the wonderful medieval folk rock band Ougenweide who recorded it in 1973 as the title track of their eponymous album, "Ougenweide". Corvus Corax covered it in 1999 on their album Tempi Antiquuii. Up to now I didn't care vary much for this band or similar ones like In Extremo which seem to be mostly bad goth / fake medieval stage show. But some of the tracks Runrig Fan linked to on YouTube are surprisingly nice. |
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23 Feb 21 - 02:48 AM (#4094396) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: Monique French and Occitan (not Ottican) are two different languages, so there's Old French and Old Occitan. They're both Romance languages but none is the "mother tongue" of the other. |
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23 Feb 21 - 08:52 AM (#4094431) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: RunrigFan Reinhard Subject: Lyr Add: Mille Anni Passi Sunt From: RunrigFan - PM Date: 22 Feb 21 - 05:57 PM Oh dragul meu me misuie focul iubirii Ceea ce am fost, esti tu acum O mie de ani au trecut Ceea ce sint vei fii tu O mie de ani au trecut Quod fuimus estes Quod sumus fos erites Mille anni passi sunt Viata va fi schimbata si nu lunata Simt si acum buzele tale pegitul meu Dragul meu, tu mai facut nemuritoare Te vreau toata Quod fuimus estes… Corvus Corax was Romanian |
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23 Feb 21 - 10:03 AM (#4094443) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: Reinhard Sorry, i missed that song and thought you meant the lyrics of Ougenweide. |
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23 Feb 21 - 10:38 AM (#4094452) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: RunrigFan Tempi Antiquuii has Ougenweide, Veris Dulcis, Rotes Haae, Rabensballade, Fur Minne (spanish song), Totentanz no words |
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23 Feb 21 - 10:54 AM (#4094455) Subject: ADD: Meie Din Liehter Schin From: RunrigFan This song was from their 1993 album Inter Deum Et Diabolum Semper Musica Est No translation is given Meie Din Liehter Schin Meie, din liehter schin Und diu kleinen vogelin Bringent vrouden vollen schrin Daz si willekommen sin! Ich bin an den vrouden min Mit der werlde kranc Alle tage ist min klage Von der ich daz beste sage Und ir holdez herze trage Daz ich der niht wohl behaage Von den schulden ich verzage Daz mir nie gelanc Also noch genuogen an ir Dienest ist gelungen Die nach guoter wibe lone Höveschlichen rungen Nü han ich beidiu umbe Sust gedienetunde gesungen Lieben wan den ich han Gein der lieben wolgetan Der ist immer unverlan Unde enkan mich niht vervan Sol diu guote mich vergan Sanfter waere ich tot Ich was ie, swiez ergie Sit daz ich ir künde vie In ir dienste, des sie nie Selten mich geniezen lie Dort und etewenne hie Swie si mir gebot Sol ich dienen und des Ane lon von ir beliben Sost des übelen mere dan Des guoten an den wiben Von dem gelouben möhte mich Ein keiser niht vertriben Ungemach mir geschach Do ich von erste ein wip ersach Der man ie daz beste sprach Unde ir guoter dinge jach Die ir kiusche nie zerbrach Und ir hövescheit Ist min har grisgevar Daz kumt von ir schulden gar Ir vil liehten ougen klar Nemet min vil kleine war So diu minen blickent dar Anekunterfeit Wollte sie mit einem gen Den minen beiden zwieren! Minne diu gebuitet daz Diu ougen scharmezieren Diu liep zwischen wiben Unde mannen underwieren Hochgemuot, dar zuo fruot Ist an jungen manne guot Der vor schanden ist behuot Und daz beste gerne tuot Den begiuzet saelden fluot Minnet werdiu wip Fürhtet scham, wibes nam Der enwirt dir nimmer gram Ist er guoten wiben zam Ist sin zunge an schelten lam Sost er aller tugende stam Saelic si sin lip Der daz lop behalte! Der ist ane missewende; Aller saelden saelic muoz er sin unz an sin ende Diu liet ich der werlde zeiner bezzerunge sende recording here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uxr7iq28P4 Another recording here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDIljrlYaVg Written by Neidhart von Reuental, it seems To me (someone can correct me) the song is speaking about trying to impress the ladies and would do anything to get her. Flirting song? |
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04 Jan 22 - 06:48 PM (#4131023) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: RunrigFan Qui Nous Demaine Qui Nous Demaine lyrics Artist: Corvus Corax Album: Venus Vina Musica French A A Qui Nous Demaine Play "Qui Nous Demaine" on Amazon Music Unlimited (ad) Au jardin mon père entrai, voici le mai, le joli mois de mai. Trois fleurs d’amour i trouvai, en la bonne estraine. Voici le mai, le joli mois de mai, qui nous demaine. Trois fleurs d’amour i trouvai, voici le mai, le joli mois de mai. Un chapelet en ferai, en la bonne estraine. Voici le mai, le joli mois de mai, qui nous demaine. Un chapelet en ferai, voici le mai, le joli mois de mai. À m’amie l’enverai, en la bonne estraine. Voici le mai, le joli mois de mai qui nous demaine. À ma mie l`enverai, voici le mai, le joli mois de mai. S’i preut, bon gré lui sai, à la bonne estraine. Voici le mai, le joli mois de mai, qui nous demaine. S’i preut, bon gré lui sai, Voici le mai, le joli mois de mai. Ou si non, renvoi le mai, à la bonne estraine. Voici le mai, le joli mois de mai, qui nous demaine. Ou si non, renvoi le mai, voici le mai, le joli mois de mai. Une autre amie en ferai, à la bonne estraine. Voici le mai, le joli mois de mai qui nous demaine |
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05 Jan 22 - 01:48 AM (#4131063) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: Monique This is OLD French (or written in Old French style), not just "French". Nobody understands "s'i preut". |
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05 Jan 22 - 09:15 AM (#4131102) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: RunrigFan That's from a website; lyrics from booklet from Venus Vina Musica from 2006 |
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05 Jan 22 - 11:49 AM (#4131129) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: Monique YouTube recording. Does your booklet say who wrote the lyrics? If you enter "s'i preut" into Google, the only pages you get are these lyrics. If you put only "preut", you'll find what it used to mean (English dictionary). "Preut" wasn't a verbal form AFAIK. Here is the meaning of "estraine" and here is the meaning of the verb "demener" (you'll find "demaine" only once in the corpus). What looks weird is "Au jardin mon père entrai": it needs a preposition, you can't have "In garden my father (I) went in/entered", you need "of": we don't have and never had the German genitive case "im Garten meineS VaterS in any Oïl dialect. |
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05 Jan 22 - 04:31 PM (#4131168) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: RunrigFan https://img.discogs.com/GuNP4-WCAH6vQnGBoCiFU9eAdbw=/fit-in/600x589/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-772236-1461182713-1833.jpeg.jpg no only the lyrics |
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05 Jan 22 - 04:34 PM (#4131171) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: RunrigFan https://www.discogs.com/release/772236-Corvus-Corax-Venus-Vina-Musica/image/SW1hZ2U6MjI3ODcwMDM= |
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05 Jan 22 - 05:30 PM (#4131173) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: Monique Doesn't help much, does it? We still don't know who wrote the damn thing that means more or less "I entered my father's garden and found three flowers of love there, what a good luck! Here comes the pretty (month of) May that leads/guides/shakes us. I'll make a string (lit. "rosary") out of them, I'll send it to my beloved. If it (preut = ??? but I'd say "pleases") I'll be greatful, if it doesn't, send it back". |
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05 Jan 22 - 07:54 PM (#4131192) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: RunrigFan Who is tomorrow In the garden my father entered, This is the beautiful month of May. Three flowers of love, In the good country. This is May, the beautiful month of May. Who brings us tomorrow. Three flowers of love, This is the beautiful month of May. A chapel in a roof, In the good country. This is May, the beautiful month of May. Who brings us tomorrow. A chapel in a roof, This is the beautiful month of May. To my friend I will send you, In the good country. May is the beautiful month of May. Who brings us tomorrow. I will send it to you, This is the beautiful month of May. If he knows, good grace, In the good country. This is May, the beautiful month of May. Who brings us tomorrow. If he knows, good grace, May is the beautiful month of May. If not, then return it. In the good country. This is May, the beautiful month of May. Who brings us tomorrow. If not, then return it. This is the beautiful month of May. Another friend of mine, In the good country. May is the beautiful month of May. Who is tomorrow |
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05 Jan 22 - 07:55 PM (#4131193) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: RunrigFan https://translate.glosbe.com/oc-en/preut |
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06 Jan 22 - 03:19 AM (#4131214) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: Monique I'm sorry, I don't know where you found the translation but it doesn't hold water. "entrai", "trouvai", are 1st person singular, indicative simple past tense. "ferai" is 1st person singular, indicative future tense and it can't be any other person. "A chapel in a roof" for "Un chapelet en ferai" is just nonsense. About "chapelet": "The French word "chapelet" is a derivative of the word "chapeau" (hat), the old form of which was chapel. Originally (c. 1200), it designated a headdress, a crown of flowers and became a term for religious use by analogy with the crowns of roses, with which the heads of Marian statues were adorned (cf. rosary). Synonyms: suite, series, parade. We say a rosary of roses for a series of roses linked together longitudinally." (French Wiki, translated by Google and edited by me). "Un chapelet en ferai": "Un" = a, one, "chapelet" = rosary, crown, wreath, garland, "en" = of it, "ferai" = will make. About "qui nous demaine": "qui" = who/that, "nous" = us (object, not subject), "demaine" = verb "demainer/démener" (link in one of my posts above) and not "demain" = tomorrow. I forgot to translate "Une autre amie en ferai" = I'll make another lover (amie at that time didn't only mean "friend"). Btw "I will send it to you" as a translation for "À mon amie l'enverai" is wrong, it means "To my beloved (I) will send it" [To my beloved it (I) will send]. Those are just a few things. Re. to your last link, it's an Occitan-English translator. I already said that Occitan isn't French and vice versa just like English isn't Dutch though they are Germanic languages. |
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06 Jan 22 - 10:26 AM (#4131256) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: RunrigFan Translated from Occitan to English |
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06 Jan 22 - 11:28 AM (#4131263) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: Monique These lyrics are NOT in Occitan, whether old or modern, in any variety of it from any of the Occitan speaking area, be it in France, Italy or Spain. Most of the song is modern French with a few Old French words ("estraine", "demaine", this "preut" thing), some old spellings ("i" instead of "y", "sai" instead of "sais", "envoi" instead of "envoie"), some turns of phrase used in poetry ("Trois fleurs d'amour i trouvai" instead of "J'y trouvai trois fleurs d'amour") and omission of the subject pronoun. |
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08 Jan 22 - 06:29 PM (#4131601) Subject: RE: Songs of Corvus Corax (German Band) From: RunrigFan oh sorry |