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20 Mar 21 - 11:12 AM (#4098519) Subject: BS: Census day From: Bonzo3legs Looking forward to completing the 2021 census form with my wife tomorrow!! |
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20 Mar 21 - 11:28 AM (#4098521) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Raggytash Another attempt to create discord perhaps? I shall complete it because I am obliged to. |
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20 Mar 21 - 11:35 AM (#4098522) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Geoff Wallis Why don't you use a pen like everybody else, Bonzo? |
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20 Mar 21 - 11:37 AM (#4098523) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jeri I'm amazed at the important things people decide to share with the entire population of the planet with an internet connection. Wow. A census. |
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20 Mar 21 - 12:01 PM (#4098527) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Bonzo3legs The census asks questions about you, your household and your home. In doing so, it helps to build a detailed snapshot of our society. Information from the census helps the government and local authorities to plan and fund local services, such as education, doctors’ surgeries and roads. It is of course, as we all know, a conspiracy to find out the likely consumption of treacle pudding & custard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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20 Mar 21 - 12:44 PM (#4098530) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jeri "Our society" "the government". I remember some years ago when people occasionally objected to Americans assuming everything was American. The tides have turned, haven't they? (I'm not incensed, but it *is* ironic. Maybe in the Alanis Morrisette way.) We finished ours last fall. Remember the hoopla about the citizenship question? People who live here who aren't "official" citizens are still living here. I really don't know how that ended, and what results they might have had, although they're probably still compiling data. Ours does all the things yours does, and I think it has to do with voting and apportionment. We don't get treacle pudding, though. :( |
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20 Mar 21 - 01:11 PM (#4098537) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Bonzo3legs North American yes, not South American by any means!! |
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20 Mar 21 - 01:32 PM (#4098543) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw In theory I would have been allowed to enter my nationality as Cornish. I've been here for 35 years, after all. But after consulting locals who were actually born in Cornwall I was told that incomers can regard themselves as Cornish only after they've been in the churchyard for 20 years... |
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20 Mar 21 - 03:26 PM (#4098558) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: JHW Done mine already. If I peg out meanwhile I'll not be worrying. Scared with it being online it would be overloaded on the day. (That happened with booking my jab I assume. Loading thingy went round forever. I rang 119 and got my jab that way.) |
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20 Mar 21 - 04:30 PM (#4098568) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jos I sent for a paper census. I'm probably being paranoid but I didn't want to enter so much personal information online. |
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20 Mar 21 - 04:33 PM (#4098569) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Bonzo3legs Yes paranoid. |
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21 Mar 21 - 07:36 AM (#4098623) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: JHW Hadn't worked out that paper was an option (though News broadcasts say 'form') |
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21 Mar 21 - 07:41 AM (#4098625) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw Daft questions about where I "usually" live. I don't "usually" live here. I live here, and have done for 34 years! |
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21 Mar 21 - 08:13 AM (#4098629) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Bonzo3legs Equally daft questions about "gender identity"!!! |
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21 Mar 21 - 09:37 AM (#4098635) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Dave the Gnome Ahhhh. So now we know the real reason for this thread :-) |
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21 Mar 21 - 09:39 AM (#4098636) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: DMcG I filled in the online system earlier today. It doesn't greatly bother me and I have made a lot of use of the data from earlier census data for family tree research. In a way, it feels like paying back a debt to these people from 1881 onwards to provide similar information for people to come. |
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21 Mar 21 - 09:53 AM (#4098637) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Raggytash I was a tad surprised that questions were asked about education below degree level but none were asked about degree level and above. |
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21 Mar 21 - 10:00 AM (#4098639) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jos DMcG - Shouldn't 1881 be 1801? |
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21 Mar 21 - 10:01 AM (#4098640) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Backwoodsman Or about professional qualifications. |
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21 Mar 21 - 10:27 AM (#4098641) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jos RE: "Hadn't worked out that paper was an option" Not everyone has an internet connection, so paper has to be an option if those not online are to be included. |
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21 Mar 21 - 10:52 AM (#4098645) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: DMcG Jos: You are right the first census was 1801. I just haven't had occasion to refer to information back that far yet. When I have gone to that date, it has usually been following other threads. |
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21 Mar 21 - 12:13 PM (#4098655) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Joe Offer One wouldn't think a census would be controversial, but It certainly was so in the US in 2020. The Trump Administration did what it could to suppress the counting of immigrants and minorities. Tweaking census results was a big part of the Republican strategy to get more power in legislative bodies. I worked on a campaign to register as many Latinos as we could. We did pretty well. -Joe- |
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21 Mar 21 - 12:23 PM (#4098656) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Bonzo3legs Excellent Joe. |
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21 Mar 21 - 01:39 PM (#4098665) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Bonzo3legs Done, took about 10 minutes each. |
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23 Mar 21 - 03:42 AM (#4098819) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Murpholly Apparently I don't exist. I did not get a leter about the census (the one that gives an identification number) and I still have not received a form from the powers that be. My poor descendents will have problems tracing me! |
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23 Mar 21 - 04:17 AM (#4098826) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Senoufou I did it online several days ago, on behalf of myself and husband. I translated every question for him so he could answer for himself. But he couldn't for the life of him understand the sexual orientation questions. He just kept repeating "Mais, je suis HOMME!!!" ever more angrily, so I just tried to figure it all out myself for him and filled it in appropriately. (He's not LGBTphobic, just confused!) I do see that the Census helps the government to assess the numbers and location of many types of people - ethnicity, sexual self-identity, languages spoken and so on, in order to provide facilities, cater for needs and so on. |
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23 Mar 21 - 04:24 AM (#4098827) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Rusty Dobro A great opportunity missed to answer some of life’s great questions: milk in first? Cream or jam first on a scone? How to pronounce scone? What is the definition of ‘folk’? |
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23 Mar 21 - 05:10 AM (#4098830) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: DMcG "How to pronounce scone" As a student in my flat were two Northerners and one Southerner. I remember going into a bakery after such a discussion and the Southerner ordering "Two 'scon's and a 'scown', please." |
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23 Mar 21 - 05:15 AM (#4098831) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Doug Chadwick Those could have been interesting, if controversial, questions. "When putting jam and cream on a scone do you: put the jam on first ? do it the wrong way round ? I don't eat scones." "When pronouncing scone, do you: rhyme it with gone ? pronounce it incorrectly ?" Or, the most controversial:- "When eating a boiled egg, do you put it in the egg cup: blunt end up ? upside down? I don't eat boiled eggs" "When opening the egg, do you: slice ? smash and waste time picking off all the bits of shell ? the butler does it" I don't think that there is any benefit to asking about people's preference for putting milk in before or after although the dairy industry might be interested in how many choose lemon or, indeed, nothing at all. These should be serious considerations for 2031 and beyond. DC |
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23 Mar 21 - 05:42 AM (#4098836) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Nigel Parsons "Do you put jam and cream on a scone? or Do you eat it with nothing on? |
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23 Mar 21 - 05:46 AM (#4098837) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw Both. |
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23 Mar 21 - 05:52 AM (#4098838) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Doug Chadwick or Do you eat it with nothing on? No. The crumbs get in my belly button. DC |
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23 Mar 21 - 06:09 AM (#4098839) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Nigel Parsons Doug: Save them for later. At least you won't get cream stains on your clothes. |
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23 Mar 21 - 06:16 AM (#4098840) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: JHW I was always told whether you put jam on your scone first or cream depended on whether you were CofE or Methodist. (other faiths are available). Personally prefer just scone + spread. No jam or cream. |
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23 Mar 21 - 06:38 AM (#4098841) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jos If the jam is runnier than the cream, the jam goes on top. If the cream is softer than the jam, the cream goes on top. Make life easier for yourself. I make tea in a pot. I put milk in the cup before the tea because it mixes better, so no need to stir (no sugar for me). The idea of a teabag floating in milky liquid in a mug is so revolting I prefer not to think about it. So if I am somewhere without a teapot or a suitable jug it is certainly milk in last, AFTER removing the teabag. |
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23 Mar 21 - 06:55 AM (#4098844) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Doug Chadwick Agree with all of that, Jos, The jam should never be runnier than the cream so, of course, goes on first. DC |
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23 Mar 21 - 07:06 AM (#4098845) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw There is only one correct way with cream teas. The still-warm scone (which should have no bloody sultanas in it) is split in two. The jam goes on, then the clotted cream. I'll brook no variation on this theme. That's the Cornish way and the only way. Just over the border in England I understand that the great unwashed Devonians have been known to get the jam and cream the wrong way round, rendering the dish completely inedible (except in emergencies). The jam may be strawberry or raspberry. The tea must be served in a pot, preferably with a dainty floral design, and consumed from proper matching china cups and saucers. And none of that bloody Earl Grey nonsense, thank you. And if you're not getting it all down your chin you're not doing it right. |
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23 Mar 21 - 07:52 AM (#4098848) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Raggytash Where is the lashing of butter in that Steve. I've GOT to have butter on mine I don't care what any celt (I think that's the correct spelling) say! |
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23 Mar 21 - 07:57 AM (#4098850) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jon Freeman Murpholly, I believe we did receive a letter with the code but we couldn't find it on Sunday. Getting a new code from the government web site sent via a text message was a simple process. As for scones, I prefer home made cheese ones. |
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23 Mar 21 - 08:10 AM (#4098851) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw Butter my arse (perhaps later...). Try asking for that round here and you'll be laughed all the way back to England! |
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23 Mar 21 - 08:13 AM (#4098852) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw Cheese scones are indeed a thing of beauty, but not with a cream tea. |
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23 Mar 21 - 08:20 AM (#4098853) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw We always go for a cream tea on my birthday to a place called Trelawney at Widemouth Bay, where you can sit out front weather permitting. It's very close to the Bay View Inn, Raggytash. Every end-of-season, the lady who runs it, Vicky, says she's not opening next year. Every winter when we bump into her in town we twist her arm, and it's worked for many years. Who knows what'll happen this year! She serves up the cream teas exactly as prescribed. My friend's missus always asks for marmalade instead of jam, which is of course a perfectly disgusting request. I have to avert my eyes... |
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23 Mar 21 - 09:09 AM (#4098862) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jos Back to the census form. Why all those details about work? They don't need the name and address of your employer or your previous employer for their statistics. Is this to be cross-checked by the tax officials? The distance travelled to work would be sufficient. And asking whether the unemployed were actively looking for work the previous week sounds more like the details required by the benefits office, who seem to look for any excuse not to pay up. Yes, I'm paranoid. |
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23 Mar 21 - 09:17 AM (#4098865) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Bonzo3legs I remember meeting friends for lunch at The Waterside "Bistro" in Totnes, South Devon. The meat dish I wanted "came with" hideous rocket salad. I asked if I could have boiled potatoes instead of the salad - the young thing of a waitress gave me the "it comes with" nonsense. So I ordered a side dish of boiled potatoes, and when it arrived I exchanged the rocket for the potatoes on my plate, and shoved the bowl of rock in her hand and told her to take it away. The owner eventually came to our table and asked if there was problem, to which I replied "I DO NOT WANT YOUR HIDEOUS ROCKET" - everyone applauded!!! |
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23 Mar 21 - 10:27 AM (#4098879) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Raggytash Can't fault you there Bonzo, even though I quite like Rocket. Furthermore I would have told the owner that I didn't expect to pay for the Rocket. |
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23 Mar 21 - 11:04 AM (#4098886) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw How come you didn't know it was going to come with a rocket salad? Here in Cornwall we have things called "menus." |
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23 Mar 21 - 11:07 AM (#4098888) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Raggytash Steve, if you read Bonzo post again he does make it clear that he knew the salad was part of the meal and asked for potatoes instead. |
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23 Mar 21 - 11:16 AM (#4098889) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Rain Dog Steve asked Bonzo 'How come you didn't know it was going to come with a rocket salad?' Yeah, how come? It's hardly rocket science is it? |
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23 Mar 21 - 11:30 AM (#4098890) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Mr Red DMcG - Shouldn't 1881 be 1801? From my days of family research I seem to remember 1881 was the first real census, but I do remember cencii (?) from about 1851 in the towns I visited (before computers), basically people lists. I did find "Burgher's Lists" which may have been the equivalent of the Electoral Register. But mostly it depended on the quality of the reference library as to what you got. Never saw an 1801 census. |
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23 Mar 21 - 11:49 AM (#4098894) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: JHW At a (Barnard Castle) Museum Freinds tea we were discussing scones. I proposed that the best were at the Edinburgh Modern Art place, the across the road one. Amazingly I got agreement. I make tea in a pot, don't have sugar but milk first or after is not a decision. Might be either way |
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23 Mar 21 - 12:41 PM (#4098907) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Backwoodsman It is absolutely essential that the milk goes in tea last. If you put the milk in first, you don’t know if you’ve over-milked the tea until it’s too late - milked tea can’t be un-milked. |
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23 Mar 21 - 12:57 PM (#4098910) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Dave the Gnome Yes it can. Pour some out and put more black tea in :-D |
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23 Mar 21 - 01:50 PM (#4098916) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: DMcG How come you didn't know it was going to come with a rocket salad? Here in Cornwall we have things called "menus." You would be surprised how often such things are not mentioned on menus. Many a time I have looked at a sandwich menu, selected the only thing on it without salad listed and guess what the sandwich includes? (While salads are fine, I don't think they suit everything.) |
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23 Mar 21 - 02:05 PM (#4098919) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Bonzo3legs The best salads I ever had were in Argentina - no weeds or rocket to be seen!!! |
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23 Mar 21 - 02:10 PM (#4098922) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Backwoodsman “Yes it can. Pour some out and put more black tea in :-D” But only if it’s ‘proper’ tea made in a tea-pot. If it’s a quick bag-in-a-cup jobbie you don’t have any black tea in reserve! ;-) |
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23 Mar 21 - 03:09 PM (#4098929) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw We lefties don't drink proper tea. We believe that proper tea is theft. |
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23 Mar 21 - 03:22 PM (#4098932) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Backwoodsman I only drink it at a weekend, Steve. The rest of the week it’s a bag-in-the-mug dunker. |
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23 Mar 21 - 03:23 PM (#4098933) Subject: RE: BS: The other recipe thread is too long From: Steve Shaw Ah, sorry about that, Bonzo. |
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23 Mar 21 - 03:27 PM (#4098937) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw Ah, sorry about that misreading, Bonzo. |
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23 Mar 21 - 07:04 PM (#4098976) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Bonzo3legs Tea is theft??? Surely only Proudhon Tea!!! |
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24 Mar 21 - 06:29 AM (#4099019) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Senoufou One of the silliest questions in the Census is in two parts:- What job do you do? (Husband "School Cleaner") Describe what this job involves. (Husband "Eh?") He was tempted to reply "Robbing banks then cleaning their toilets". Your ethnicity? He was tempted to answer "Senoufo" but thought they might not have heard of this tribe. It must be tempting for people to answer facetiously to these daft questions, but I suppose they'd risk a fine. |
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24 Mar 21 - 06:57 AM (#4099022) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: The Sandman since they can track where people are by their smart phones, it seems to bebelonging or appropriate to an earlier period, especially so as to seem conspicuously old-fashioned |
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24 Mar 21 - 07:01 AM (#4099024) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: The Sandman so we are all tracked anyway if we have a smart phone, since The 2001 Census cost approximately £255 million for the UK, what does the 2021 census cost , a waste of money imo |
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24 Mar 21 - 07:03 AM (#4099025) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: JHW Nother reason not to have a smartphone. Realised at breakfast that milk often goes in second. Had to open another bottle. Glass, delivered by the milkman. |
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24 Mar 21 - 07:09 AM (#4099026) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: The Sandman The total cost of the 2011 Census in England and Wales over the period from 2004/05 to 2015/16 is estimated to be £482 million. This is more than twice the £210m spent on the 2001 census. so we are in a middle of a pandemic[apparently according to the establishment] so why are these inefficent politicians wasting this money , why not postpone the census for 2 years and spend the money on better wages for nurses and doctors more vaccines better designed virus hospitals, feckin inept idiotic politicians |
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24 Mar 21 - 07:25 AM (#4099027) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Megan L Not in Scotland our census is next year |
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24 Mar 21 - 07:33 AM (#4099030) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Nigel Parsons It is impossible to estimate the cost of the current census based on previous ones. This is the first to be conducted mainly online, reducing the need for census officers to visit properties. I would expect (but don't guarantee) that this one will prove less expensive. |
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24 Mar 21 - 07:45 AM (#4099031) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw The official reasons for having a census are complete bollocks. Findings will not be acted on. Take the guff about housing, for example. Round here, planning for new housing has nothing to do with local need indicated by any census (massive new estates with no regard for the increased burden on local infrastructure - don't get me started...). The planning round here is far more likely to be predicated on baksheesh and on making a few landowners, especially those chummy with the local councillors, as rich as Croesus. "Planning services" has meant ruthlessly running them down for at least the last ten years. Council funding slashed, numbers of doctors and nurses slashed, schools crumbling to the ground, GP services shite... We seem to be having a census for no better reason than that we always have a census. So I'm with Dick on this. Bloody waste of money. I suppose we'll be spending a few more tens of millions chasing up people who haven't done it or who have done it wrong, and even after all that you won't find any better information than is already available at a hundredth of the cost, as if we were going to use it anyway, which we won't be. Still, it keeps an army of people temporarily busy, I suppose... |
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24 Mar 21 - 02:50 PM (#4099090) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Dave the Gnome Well, if you are making it with a teabag in the cup you have to put the milk in last anyway. If you pour milk on a teabag then put the boiling water in it can never get to the right temperature to brew the tea! |
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24 Mar 21 - 03:36 PM (#4099101) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Backwoodsman The teabag has to be out before the milk goes in though, Dave. Makes me feel nauseated when I see people milking it with the bag still in. Revolting! |
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24 Mar 21 - 03:43 PM (#4099103) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Dave the Gnome Spot on, BWM |
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25 Mar 21 - 09:56 AM (#4099214) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw I had a road to Damascus moment outside a cafe near Venice after I'd asked for a cup of tea. Out came a little teacup three-quarters full of rapidly cooling water, a teabag in a packet and a little jug of milk. It was not possible to obtain the required beverage from that lot. Up to that point I'd always thought that I hated coffee. But after that incident we tried coffee Italian-style and we've never looked back. We now have a bean-to-cup coffee machine. I still won't touch instant coffee, the very vomit of the Devil. |
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25 Mar 21 - 04:11 PM (#4099272) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Dave the Gnome I thought the same about instant coffee until I discovered Lavazza instant. Not as good as proper stuff but passable. Although I do need to add milk or cream which I don't do with proper coffee. |
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25 Mar 21 - 04:39 PM (#4099279) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw Lavazza red label beans are our go-to. We keep them in the fridge in an airtight tin. It helps that Lavazza are sponsors of Liverpool FC. :-) |
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25 Mar 21 - 05:05 PM (#4099283) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Rain Dog Camp coffee? |
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26 Mar 21 - 08:16 AM (#4099358) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Dave the Gnome We have a bottle of that Rain Dog! Good in cooking and the Mrs likes it in hot milk. A chickory Latte :-) |
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26 Mar 21 - 09:15 AM (#4099366) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Senoufou Here's an extract (April 14th 1951) from our local paper (EDP) on the subject of the Census 'back then'. It's about Sidney Grapes and his relatives (imaginary Norfolk family) and was always written in Broad Norfolk dialect:- "Granfar arsked har sum lot of questions. Sum on 'em wus on the form, but a rare lot of 'em wornt. "Dew they reely want ter know orl that?" say Old Mrs W. Then she dint tell him har roit airge. Granfar say, "If yew woz only that old, how cum yew're a-gettin the Pension?" Arter that, Mrs W reckon she'd only bin a widder wunce, but Granfar knew she'd buried at least tew on 'em. At the finish, Mrs W said that Granfar should put her down fer a bathroom, 'cause that'd look better. "Bathrume!" say Granfar. "The only bathrume yew're got hang on a nail behoind the scullery dor!" |
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26 Mar 21 - 09:23 AM (#4099367) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jon Freeman I'd not heard of Sidney Grapes. |
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26 Mar 21 - 10:26 AM (#4099379) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: ripov Blimmin 'eck, you are a health concious lot,-no-one#s mentioned putting the sugar in,which raises another question, if you have a "no added sugar" fruit juice, do you add sugar to hide the taste of the sweetener? take a moment to ponder onhow the british paid china for their tea leaves |
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26 Mar 21 - 11:19 AM (#4099389) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jos I don't put sugar in tea or coffee. I avoid artificial sweetener if possible, which means carefully reading the labels and packets of anything claiming "No added sugar" (it doesn't mean the product won't be horribly sweet - it probably will, because it will have artificially sweetener in it), and I am very suspicious of anything labelled "No artificial sweetener" (it may mean the product contains the HORRIBLE STEVIA, which is derived from a plant and thus doesn't count as artificial). |
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26 Mar 21 - 12:24 PM (#4099398) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Steve Shaw Not sure about this, but I don't think you can market something as just "fruit juice" if you've added anything to it to sweeten it. You can call it a "fruit juice drink" I think, but the labelling rules are fairly tight. I stand to be corrected on that. But don't run away with the notion that fruit juices are that healthy. Bought orange juice of the Tropicana ilk contains as much sugar as coca-cola. You're much better off eating an orange. At least you get fibre that way and the vitamins therein haven't been mangled by the processing. As for sweeteners, I once bought a packet of sugar-free sweeties from Tesco to scoff on my 90-minute drive home to come. Within half an hour of starting them my stomach was imitating a cement mixer in both churning and noise. Yep, Stevia. Always read the label and avoid Stevia like the plague! |
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03 Apr 21 - 06:15 AM (#4100555) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: JHW Got a Census letter saying I hadn't completed it. Asked them for new code, not supplied. Answer was that 'Everyone in England and wales at the moment are receiving reminder letters.' |
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03 Apr 21 - 06:52 AM (#4100560) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: Jos You would think it would be cheaper to check which households had completed their census forms, and then just send out reminders to the missing few (unless, in fact, most haven't completed it). |
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03 Apr 21 - 11:01 AM (#4100596) Subject: RE: BS: Census day From: JHW Yes but robots don't think like that, if at all. |