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22 Apr 21 - 10:37 AM (#4103112) Subject: BS: time to change US flag From: Donuel When we get a new state it gets a star on our flag. Where is it going to go? Inside another star below all the other stars? 5 rows of five stars with 1 above and below? With more people than North Dakota or Vermont, DC is favored to finally be a state after hundreds of years. |
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22 Apr 21 - 11:11 AM (#4103113) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Stilly River Sage Doesn't DC also have more people than Wyoming? I've wondered about that myself, but will never let the change of a pattern and the job security for flag makers producing millions of the new flags be a reason to NOT add a new state. It's way past time. (It would be interesting to see if they could confine the flag production to the US - probably not - China has cornered the market on this kind of thing for decades.) |
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22 Apr 21 - 11:53 AM (#4103116) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: McGrath of Harlow Plenty of room to adjust the presnt design to allow for a few additional states.And you'd need sharp eyes to any difference from the present ones. I'd think that in a country where the role of government is to oblige capitalist enterprises the fact that an extra state or would mean millions of flags needing to be replaced would be likely to make it more likely that that would happen. After all most of those flags would be privately owned. It'd be fun if they put in a few more colours. After all red white and blue is a combination shared by any number of countries - the UK, France, Russia, Cuba, just for a start. Perhaps go for rainbow stripes... |
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22 Apr 21 - 12:21 PM (#4103122) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Bill D Flag designs are already done. I saw a pic of one that looked quite reasonable. I'll see if I can find it........... not that getting a 51st state is likely soon. DC is way majority Democrat and no way Republicans will allow that. |
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22 Apr 21 - 02:40 PM (#4103137) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Joe Offer Wikipedia is your friend. Here is its page on the 51st state, with the flag design. Looks good to me. I think there are already official designs for 51, 52, and 53 stars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state |
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22 Apr 21 - 02:55 PM (#4103139) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: robomatic I was talking about this just a couple of days ago while dog walking. I thought 3 interlaced circles of 17 stars would do it. I didn't know Wikipedia had already figured it out. figured already how to do it. figured how already it could be done. had figured it out already (apologies to the irritating grammar thread). I was so afraid we'd have to conquer another part of Mexico to make it an even number. |
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22 Apr 21 - 03:07 PM (#4103140) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Jos If they went for circles, then how about a spiral? Stars could be added indefinitely. |
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22 Apr 21 - 04:22 PM (#4103145) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Donuel It would look like stars going down the drain/ |
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22 Apr 21 - 05:15 PM (#4103154) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: robomatic Jos not only that. if the stars weren't all the same size different states would argue that they owned the bigger stars. Texas would insist they're the biggest in spite of 'laska being a State since '59. |
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22 Apr 21 - 09:02 PM (#4103174) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: McGrath of Harlow The block on Washington becoming a stare is just another reason you need to get rid of the filibuster, which is unique to the US. That could be done tomorrow, if all the Democratic Senators agreed. |
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22 Apr 21 - 11:00 PM (#4103178) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: keberoxu 'becoming a stare' |
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22 Apr 21 - 11:05 PM (#4103180) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Mrrzy Right now 50 stars is rows of 6 5 6 5 6 5 6 5 6 so make the center stripe 7. But I am against statehood. Conflict of interest - it is the capital OF the states, so it can't be A state. |
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23 Apr 21 - 03:14 AM (#4103191) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Mr Red There are those that can't count past 13 anyways. Y'all. |
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23 Apr 21 - 04:04 AM (#4103195) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Dave the Gnome There is already a 51st State Samuel L Jackson and Robert Carlisle can't be wrong :-D |
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23 Apr 21 - 06:01 AM (#4103206) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Nigel Parsons Right now 50 stars is rows of 6 5 6 5 6 5 6 5 6 so make the center stripe 7. My thought (even before seeing the Wiki version) was 51 = 17*3 Three rows of 17, or 17 rows of 3 doesn't seem balanced. 17= 8+9 so, 3 rows of 8 and 3 of 9 (alternating) results in a flag with a similar balance/look to the existing. People will hardly notice the difference. Unlike the WWII flag with 6*8 in neat rows and columns. Next may come 52 states (cards in a pack) = 4*13. Same basis, 8 rows of 6 & 7 alternating. Or 7 rows (4 with 7, 3 with 8 alternating) |
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23 Apr 21 - 07:10 AM (#4103208) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Jos To Donuel and robomatic A spiral of stars wouldn't look as if they were going down the drain if they were all the same size – and why ever wouldn't they be the same size? They are all the same size on the current flag. |
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23 Apr 21 - 09:00 AM (#4103215) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Mrrzy Ueah, Puerto Rico should be a state first. If they want to be. DC should declare those living North of Constitution to be Maryland voters, and south, Virginia. |
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23 Apr 21 - 09:25 AM (#4103216) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: gillymor North or south of Constitution they can't vote in Congressional elections because they have no representation in that body, other than a non-voting delegate, they only receive it's dictates. Pretty shabby treatment for tax-paying U.S. citizens. |
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23 Apr 21 - 09:44 AM (#4103221) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: McGrath of Harlow Most countries treat their capital cities the same way as other cities so far as representation is concerned. No-one would suggest that the inhabitants of London, Paris, Berlin or Rome would have their political representation curtailed. It's pretty evident the block on statehood for Washington is based on that being seen by one party as disadvantageous - that is essentially corrupt. It'd be easy enough to give special status to the actual government buildings. |
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23 Apr 21 - 10:34 AM (#4103232) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Mr Red Wasn't the District of Columbia created so no one state could be seen as superior, by association, as host? Rather detracts from the concept of statehood for DC. There are politicians who don't even recognise Guam as American. Mind you she is so off the wall it does beg questions about those that willingly vote for her. On the size of the stars, why not according to population? Or yet more contentiously, the number of college votes? Just saying........... |
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23 Apr 21 - 11:33 AM (#4103243) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Stilly River Sage There would still be several hundred acres of federal land for all of the governmental activity. The residents of D.C., however, deserve representation and aren't interested in being shoe-horned into Virginia or Maryland. Yes, Puerto Rico should be a state. Talk about a poor stepchild. With statehood comes a great deal of debt and a need for reform, something PR is badly in need of. There are other places, like Guam and American Samoa, where laws and rights need to be reviewed. The colonial aspect of holding territories in this day and age should be sorted out. The US and Philippines still have a complex relationship though the Philippines gained independence in 1946. It's the military bases that are a problem for them now. I just looked up the US Territories, 16 distinct areas: American Samoa. Guam. Northern Mariana Islands. Puerto Rico. United States Virgin Islands. Minor Outlying Islands: Bajo Nuevo Bank. Baker Island. Howland Island. Jarvis Island. Johnston Atoll. Kingman Reef. Midway Islands. Navassa Island. Palmyra Atoll. |
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23 Apr 21 - 03:04 PM (#4103263) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Bill D ".. aren't interested in being shoe-horned into Virginia or Maryland. Some wouldn't care, some would. As I've said elsewhere, I personally would favor either making the District just the Capitol Hill area and making the rest Maryland, OR expanding DC to the original rectangle that included Northern VA. Thing is, there will be vehement opposition to all of the alternatives..."It all depends on whose ox is being gored." I don't think much will actually happen. I think I would support Puerto Rico being #51... all the other 'possessions' are too far-flung to include any of them fairly. |
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23 Apr 21 - 04:24 PM (#4103269) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Stilly River Sage They're far flung and un-represented. The things they are allowed to vote on are generally nothing to do with national politics, yet it is national politics that impact their well-being. |
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23 Apr 21 - 05:33 PM (#4103273) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Mrrzy MrRed, rat own! |
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23 Apr 21 - 09:16 PM (#4103290) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: mg you can't call it washington because there already is a washington. i think you would have to call it columbia. has a nice ring. or they could take washington and we could call ourselves columbia after the river. but can't have two washingtons, which we have and it confuses non usa people. |
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24 Apr 21 - 09:06 AM (#4103327) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: gillymor To deny D.C. residents all the same rights that other U.S. citizens enjoy on the basis of an antiquated notion formulated more than 220 years ago when the D.C. area was a swamp runs contrary to the democratic principles this country was established on. Those Founders got a lot of things right but they also gave us the 2nd amendment,though I imagine they assumed that we would have the will, the intelligence and the humanity to adjust laws to suit the times. Dave Mattingly, former D.C. resident. |
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24 Apr 21 - 09:40 AM (#4103331) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Donuel Right now DC laws can be and was overturned by a Congressman from South Carolina. Thats not democracy. PR would be like West Virginia but tropical. If they renamed the island South Virginia they got a shot :^/ |
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24 Apr 21 - 10:11 AM (#4103334) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Donuel A name change will be needed for Washington District of Columbia. Washington Douglas Commonwealth? Columbia? Chocolatetown? Crazytown? Generica? America? (so nice they named it twice) |
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24 Apr 21 - 12:08 PM (#4103360) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Nigel Parsons It's not really confusing. Most people from other countries can cope with the fact that there is a city called Washington, and also a state with the same name. Names will get duplicated (or more) over a period of time. We (in UK) can cope with several towns/cities called Newport even within the one country. (Newport Gwent, Newport Isle of Wight, Newport Pembrokeshire etc. ) What confuses us is to see in films where the scene of the action changes and the Eiffel Tower appears with a label "Paris, France", or Buckingham Palace with a label "London, England". Is it really necessary to give the country names? (yes, I know that there's a "Paris, Texas" but the change of scenery should make the disambiguation unnecessary). |
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24 Apr 21 - 12:21 PM (#4103361) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Donuel 1 vote for Washington, minus the district and Columbia part... I like Crazytown for recognizing the minority of representatives who immigrate to Crazytown to do their crazy things. |
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24 Apr 21 - 12:46 PM (#4103366) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Stilly River Sage On the news yesterday I heard the discussion about the name - it is proposed in the legislation to be Washington Douglass (after Frederick). |
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24 Apr 21 - 02:24 PM (#4103376) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: gillymor Washington Douglass would be great. My 2nd choice, Ovechkingrad. |
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24 Apr 21 - 08:34 PM (#4103413) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: robomatic Attitude is everything. I heard as a true story that a Boston man was overheard asking for a train ticket in London: "I want a ticket for Cambridge - Cambridge, England!" |
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25 Apr 21 - 02:42 AM (#4103434) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Mr Red er - I live near Cambridge. Cambridge, Gloucestershire (England). Also on the river Cam. |
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25 Apr 21 - 03:02 AM (#4103437) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Jos And was the "Boston man" from Massachusetts? or from Lincolnshire? |
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25 Apr 21 - 01:54 PM (#4103479) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Bill D There is a high class place called "The Inn at Little Washington"" It is in Virginia... *shrug* Perhaps this potential state could be "Little Washington" No more complicated than North or South Carolina Then the restaurant could open a local branch. |
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25 Apr 21 - 02:38 PM (#4103487) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: robomatic Jos: You got me! Guilty of the very joke! No wonder Boston (Mass) is called 'the hub' by the locals. |
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25 Apr 21 - 05:09 PM (#4103498) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: mg How about plain old Douglass? Or if you want to keep DC how about Douglass Carver. No Washington in it. Or else change Washington State to Cascadia or Utopia or Tsunami Zone or something. I know..Earthquakia. |
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26 Apr 21 - 06:20 PM (#4103625) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Mr Red That'd shake up |
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27 Apr 21 - 03:07 PM (#4103747) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: robomatic Speaking of Earthquakes we just had a 4.8 9 miles from town, otherwise we might not have noticed it. Why not just 'DC'. You could probably get the comic book people to pay for the State Capitol building. They could put their logo over the portico. The Governor could dress like Superman. |
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29 Apr 21 - 06:06 AM (#4103938) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: JHW The title is 'time to change US flag' So how about one with no stars? Something else altogether. No stars. No stripes. Good for keeps. |
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29 Apr 21 - 08:56 AM (#4103950) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Bill D Kinda sounds like a white flag of surrender. Also seems like a silly suggestion... |
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29 Apr 21 - 02:14 PM (#4103988) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: WalkaboutsVerse Time to change the US: Biden, after 100 days in office, just said that, as long as you pay your share, it is ok to be a billionaire - by God, that level of inequality is NOT acceptable; my WalkaboutsVerse poem on "Global Regulationism" |
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29 Apr 21 - 03:16 PM (#4103991) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: robomatic "Ah but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" -Browning |
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29 Apr 21 - 03:47 PM (#4103994) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Stilly River Sage WAV, will you please stop promoting your awful poetry in every topic you come across? Except that someone responded to you that last one would have been deleted. |
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29 Apr 21 - 04:17 PM (#4103995) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: WalkaboutsVerse If the poem is pertinent, why not, SRS?..after all, you just called me "WAV"! And nothing wrong with striving, Robomatic, but NOT to be 100s of times wealthier than our fellow human beings. |
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29 Apr 21 - 05:35 PM (#4104010) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: robomatic WV, I've long felt that way, but who decides the multiplier? |
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30 Apr 21 - 02:28 AM (#4104028) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: Mr Red or what's a heaven for? So you no longer feel the need to grasp. The trouble is, that to some folks grasp is too weak a concept. And certainly not allegorical. |
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30 Apr 21 - 11:04 AM (#4104079) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: WalkaboutsVerse Watching a discussion on NHK World, I heard that in Japan a CEO is paid about 10 times more than the lowest earner in a company; in Europe, it is about 30 times more; and, in the USA, more than 300 times more...with "Grapes of Wrath" (Steinbeck). I think The United Nations should decide the multiplier, Robomatic. We don't want freedom - along with better cooperation, we want regulations that make competition as fair as possible. |
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30 Apr 21 - 02:25 PM (#4104095) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: robomatic Mr. Red: I like your response, no need to grasp any more. But then we'd be in 'heaven' so presumably have no needs. I loved that Browning quote because it's a simple way to distinguish between ideals and realities. WV: I think that 'fairness' IS one of those ideals that must be distinguished from realities. I don't think we can agree on what is fair. Or, maybe more realistically, getting to something we can agree is fair will take more time and effort than is gained by putting it in force. After all, the 'law' isn't really fair. At it's best it is 'consistent'. And often when the cry of 'unfair' is raised, what it really means is a law or policy that it not enforced consistently. Which brings us back to regulations. So I endorse the last line of your previous post. And I think a definition of 'fair' comes from when regulations appear to be working, and the perception of fairness is obtained. |
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30 Apr 21 - 02:57 PM (#4104101) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: WalkaboutsVerse ...I'm sure you'll agree, Robomatic, that some having millions while many live below the poverty line, goes beyond being unfair...inhumane/revolting/disgraceful... |
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30 Apr 21 - 03:11 PM (#4104102) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: McGrath of Harlow I'd assume that Biden would see striving to be a millionaire as more or less the polar opposite of wanting to get to heaven. "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." |
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30 Apr 21 - 04:56 PM (#4104111) Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag From: McGrath of Harlow |