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30 Jul 21 - 09:34 AM (#4114808) Subject: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow ‘A Secret Stream’ brings together over a hundred mostly unpublished folk songs and tunes, carols, including songs in the Anglo-Romany tongue ,collected from English Gypsies by Victorian and Edwardian collectors such as Cecil Sharp, Ella Leather, Lucy Broadwood, George Borrow and Ralph Vaughan Williams. Selected by Nick Dow, the musical notation has been transcribed by Cohen Braithwaite-Kilcoyne and there are authoritative historical notes to each song supplied by Steve Gardham, along with detailed biographical material for many of the singers. ISBN9781838092894 Price£15 The book will be available in September but you can order now at our secure website. Cheques can be made payable to Francis Boutle Publishers, 272, Alexandra Park Road, London, N227BG www.francisboutle.co.uk info@francisboutle.co.uk |
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30 Jul 21 - 11:03 AM (#4114816) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: RTim Ordered ...as ordered. Tim Radford |
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02 Aug 21 - 09:21 AM (#4115124) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow I am presenting a workshop on Zoom this Wednesday at 1pm, there is another active thread on Sidmouth Workshops which will give you the link. |
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02 Aug 21 - 10:53 AM (#4115135) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Lin At 1:00 p.m. where in the world? I am in California so need to know where/what country at 1 p.m.,so I can determine the time to tune in where I live. Thank you. |
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02 Aug 21 - 12:55 PM (#4115142) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Modette Direct working link to Nick's book - Nick Dow - A Secret Stream. |
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02 Aug 21 - 01:54 PM (#4115143) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Manitas_at_home Lin, its in the UK and we're in summer time at the moment. |
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04 Aug 21 - 12:02 PM (#4115390) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Also ordered - sadly came across the thread too late for the Zoom. Mick |
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04 Aug 21 - 04:14 PM (#4115404) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Steve Gardham Mick Have you got a copy of my earliest versions spreadsheet? |
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04 Aug 21 - 08:40 PM (#4115426) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Steve I have a copy from January - "Earliest spreadsheet SR Edit 1.xlsx" Mick |
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05 Aug 21 - 08:20 AM (#4115481) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: The Sandman hope it sells well |
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05 Aug 21 - 09:54 AM (#4115492) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow I am presenting another workshop on Weds 25th at 4-30 pm, at Whitby Festival online. I have just received some rather excellent paragraphs from Walter and Mary Lee, to introduce the book. Since she sends her good wishes to all readers, I have included them for you. Our good friend Nick Dow is the author of this book, my husband and myself are of true Romany stock, and we are very pleased that Nick has compiled this book of songs, which were noted down in late Victorian and Edwardian times. Some of these songs have been handed down through our families for generations! we would sing these songs spontaneously at any given time, when our families got together, and sure enough somebody would pull one of the old (long forgotten) songs out of the hat, and it would take us right back in time! It is, surely, very good that these songs will be preserved for posterity, as it would be a great loss to our culture if they were forgotten. In my family there were singers, musicians and dancers, some played fiddle, some guitar, some accordion and spoons. They would step dance on any piece of board the could find. They made their own entertainment, through very hard times, and good times too. I hope those who read this book will gain some insight into our culture. Time and space don’t allow me to elaborate further, however enjoy your read, and remember music brings us all together. Walter and Mary Lee |
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07 Aug 21 - 02:06 AM (#4115681) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Alan Castle is arranging a book launch at Tenterden Festival. I am also at Edgeworth Festival on the Sunday. (That's a journey and a half!). The Secret Stream will be available at both festivals. |
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07 Sep 21 - 06:56 AM (#4119073) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST Any updates on when in September this book will be despatched to those who have paid for it? Francis Boutle seem reluctant to say. |
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07 Sep 21 - 05:38 PM (#4119136) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Cohen and I have just finished some rewrites. Steve Gardham is still proofing. The overall typesetting has been done, but we are waiting for the second fair copy, to make sure there are no further mistakes, in grammar, punctuation, and spelling. We have had to reset some of the Gypsy Fiddle tune titles, without losing our Alphabetical order, which has taken a while, but we are aiming to be able to print by September 16th, all being well. It has been quite a headache getting it correct. I am going to offer MP3 files of the tunes, which need resorting into Song, Fiddle Tune, Carols and Romany song files. I then need to check them all against the originals. Not as big a job as it sounds. There are a few if's and but's however it's looking positive. Nick |
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07 Sep 21 - 06:56 PM (#4119144) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: RTim Nick...You said something in your final Whitby Video for Secret Stream that I didn't quite understand or agree with. When you quickly mentioned The New Forest and Gypsy Families from there, you corrected mentioned - The Dow family, but also said The Cole family and mentioned Goliath Cole. To my knowledge, the Coles had Nothing to do with The New Forest, but lived in and around Oakley, ie. to the west of Basingstoke: and Goliath Cole was born in Baughurst. Yes it is suggested that his father was born in Lymington; but then Albert Doe was possibly born in Wiltshire...even if living in Bartley, Hampshire when collected from - The Travellers were called Travellers for a reason...They Travelled. A minor point maybe.....However, I am looking forward to getting the book. Regards - Tim Radford |
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07 Sep 21 - 09:23 PM (#4119147) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: RTim Hi again - Sorry for my Typo in the 2nd line - Of course it should be "Doe" not "Dow"...mixing you up with the Gypsy Family....or my spelling is just very bad! Tim Radford |
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08 Sep 21 - 02:36 AM (#4119155) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Yes I was working from memory. I'll make some notes for the next workshop, which is Will and Pippa Noble's on Zoom, and then Tenterden in person followed by Edgeworth Festival on the Sunday (!!) I've spent half my life with Gypsy folk so I don't mind being counted with them even if I am not related! A sort of compliment. By the way Jane Cole was a tent dweller in the New Forest I believe. She was the matriarch of all the Cole Brothers and sisters. The whole thing was rather mixed up by Alice Gillington, who insisted that the Sebbage family were New Foresters, but Edith Sebbage was in service in Sussex. Like you say they travelled. |
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08 Sep 21 - 04:49 AM (#4119159) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,matt milton Glad this thread has been revived, wasn't aware of this book, now at the top of my shopping list. Nick, I noticed you are booked in for Orpington folk club in December. What's the best way to keep up to date with your gigs? Do you have a website? |
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08 Sep 21 - 07:27 AM (#4119169) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow No, it's a long story involved with the sale of my business. I usually send out invites every gig. Maybe see you at Tenterden? thetraditionbearer@hotmail.co.uk |
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08 Sep 21 - 02:36 PM (#4119233) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Harry Rivers How will we get access the MP3 files? Harry |
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08 Sep 21 - 04:05 PM (#4119244) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow When you buy the book, or receive it if you have paid in advance, drop me a line at the above Email address, and I'll send them via We Transfer. No charge, just a bonus for you. Nick |
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09 Sep 21 - 05:18 AM (#4119280) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Greenie Good to see this thread revived because I'd completely forgotten that I'd ordered the book. Thanks, in advance, for the MP3s, Nick. Greenie |
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10 Sep 21 - 04:31 AM (#4119402) Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Pip and Will Noble are hosting a Zoom on September 1th 3-30 to 6pm UK time. There will be a one hour presentation by yours truly on 'A Secret Stream' between 5 and 6pm. Contact Pip on her Facebook Page for details and a link. |
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11 Sep 21 - 03:18 AM (#4119525) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST September 1th ? Have I missed it? |
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11 Sep 21 - 04:21 AM (#4119532) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Bugger! Grovelling apologies September 18th! See you there. |
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14 Sep 21 - 04:03 AM (#4119913) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Nearly there. Just waiting for the final proofing. |
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15 Sep 21 - 01:28 PM (#4120047) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow The book will be available at Tenterden and Edgeworth Festivals. If you've paid in advance the book will be posted next week. |
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24 Sep 21 - 06:39 AM (#4120801) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST refresh |
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24 Sep 21 - 10:19 AM (#4120823) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: matt milton Have pre-ordered. Lovely cover. I do like the consistent covers of those Boutle books. Feels like a proper series. Waiting impatiently! |
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24 Sep 21 - 11:07 AM (#4120830) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Me too! Clive Boutle will be at Tenterden at the Book workshop with copies for sale. |
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03 Oct 21 - 05:29 PM (#4121763) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow The book is now avvailable |
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03 Oct 21 - 07:21 PM (#4121773) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow or even available. |
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05 Oct 21 - 06:16 AM (#4121886) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: matt milton It arrived in the post yesterday. Lovely cover. Didn't realise it would have a few tunes in their too - a nice bonus, given I'm a fiddle player. Some interesting things in there on first read through. 'Fountain of Christ's Blood' is possibly the most grand guignol carol I've ever seen! I hadn't seen that carol before. Strong stuff, I'll definitely alarm a few people down the local folk club with that one at our Christmas singaround! Also, I don't remember 'Billy Taylor' (William Taylor) being quite so dramatic in the other versions I know - I like the version in here very much. And collected in Witney too, where my other half grew up - a place I know very well. The book's reminded me that 'The Robin's Petition' is a song I'd been meaning to learn as well. It's a lovely book - well done and many thanks Nick. Roll on volume 2! |
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05 Oct 21 - 07:31 AM (#4121893) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Thanks Matt. I'll pass on your kind comments. |
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05 Oct 21 - 08:49 AM (#4121906) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow By the way if you (anybody) want the MP3 files of the tunes including the fiddle tunes, all free of charge let me know. thetraditionbearer@hotmail.co.uk |
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07 Oct 21 - 08:17 AM (#4122158) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: r.padgett My copy received half hour ago by post Thanks Ray |
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10 Oct 21 - 05:07 AM (#4122480) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow The first run is rapidly selling out. |
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28 Oct 21 - 07:25 AM (#4124415) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow A Secret Stream is now being reprinted and the second run will be available next week. This will include review copies, so if we have not contacted you please let us know. Meanwhile I have made a tentative start with Cohen on Vol. 2. |
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28 Oct 21 - 11:31 AM (#4124438) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,PB Link in OP is giving a 404... |
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28 Oct 21 - 02:49 PM (#4124458) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Steve Gardham Nick You need to update the link to Boutles. Fixed. -Joe Offer- |
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28 Oct 21 - 03:33 PM (#4124461) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow https://francisboutle.co.uk/products/a-secret-stream/ This should work |
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16 Nov 21 - 06:03 PM (#4126399) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Joe Offer My copy arrived today. For some reason, I got two copies. I wonder why. Maybe Clive stuck in an extra copy because we've had such a nice correspondence over the years. Looks great, Nick and Steve. -Joe- |
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17 Nov 21 - 03:22 PM (#4126521) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Steve Gardham Only just got my copy. Typo spotting. Here's a little quiz. I give you the page number and you find the typo. 34 47 68 That's as far as I've got. |
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17 Nov 21 - 03:51 PM (#4126525) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: RTim 34 - I see nothing unless it is the (a) or (b) in the Music notation... 47 - Two and Too 68 - "But" missing from chorus --- I think there is a factual error on page 13.......Jesse Cole (according to census info. I have - was a Man - Not a Sister as in the text.... Tim Radford |
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17 Nov 21 - 04:40 PM (#4126535) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: RTim Haha - I see 34 now... Abscent instead of Absent....in 2nd tune text Maybe there should also be in the first text a "-" between the first "ov - erheard" as in the 2nd tune... Tim R |
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17 Nov 21 - 06:19 PM (#4126542) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Typos not withstanding, hope you like the book. |
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18 Nov 21 - 09:24 AM (#4126604) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Steve Gardham Missed that one, Tim. Look at the title. (34) 47, there are 'others' in the same line. ov-er-heard. There is one if you look closely, in my copy anyway. Nick, I did ask Clive where it is being/ has been, reviewed, but didn't get an answer. Do you know? |
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19 Nov 21 - 06:10 PM (#4126741) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow The usual suspects have a copy for review. |
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19 Nov 21 - 09:31 PM (#4126760) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Joe Offer I hate it when the first printed copy comes out, and I discover all the mistakes I missed. Why are they so hard to see on a computer screen, and so easy to see on paper? When we did the Rise Again Songbook, we got the index wrong, and we printed 10,000 incorrect copies. We sent out a PDF correction sheet, but it was agony to deal with those mistakes. I was intent to not repeat the mistakes of our Rise Up Singing Songbook, but we still made mistakes on the Rise Again sequel - and the index was a complete fiasco. -Joe-
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20 Nov 21 - 02:12 AM (#4126769) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: r.padgett Yes it does happen Ray |
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21 Nov 21 - 03:05 PM (#4126899) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Rod Stradling's review. https://www.mustrad.org.uk/reviews/r_index.htm |
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21 Nov 21 - 05:11 PM (#4126907) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: The Sandman A good review., overall. |
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25 Nov 21 - 06:34 PM (#4127259) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow The MP3 files for the Song tunes are now available for download at the Musical Traditions Link. |
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26 Nov 21 - 07:48 AM (#4127287) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: matt milton "Also, like the others, it features a monochrome cover graphic, but not in this case a wood-cut of the sort used in so many broadside publications. I find the present one far less pleasing than the others." Gotta love Mr Stradling's consistently comprehensive attitude to reviewing a product in its entirety! In the name of balance, I for one found the extraordinary cover really striking; my compliments to whoever made it/designed it. |
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26 Nov 21 - 09:35 AM (#4127292) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: The Sandman I would not judge a book by its cover |
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26 Nov 21 - 02:48 PM (#4127310) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow The artist is a friend of Clive Boutle. I do not know his name. It was a lino cut I believe, based upon Tom Cave and Emma Glover's son and daughter as photographed by Cecil Sharp. Clive sent me two original ink prints last week. I rather like it as well. I've always been a fan of Folk Art as many people know. |
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27 Nov 21 - 04:24 AM (#4127337) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: The Sandman I did not know that,Nick. I have not seen the cover , but if i had, and i did not like it ,it would not bother to comment, in my opinion the purpose of a book review is to let people know about the contents of the book |
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25 Dec 21 - 06:31 AM (#4129928) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,PB I bought this as a Christmas present for Madame... smash hit, she's been down there learning songs from it and picking out the tunes on her concertina almost from the moment she got up. She's not even looked at her other presents yet. It's a great book, buy it. |
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25 Dec 21 - 07:28 AM (#4129935) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow I will be happy to send the tunes as MP3 files for free to help her. Just contact me . thetraditionbearer@hotmail.co.uk |
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25 Dec 21 - 08:31 AM (#4129937) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,PB Thanks very much, but she's a very competent sight reader- the picking bit was to adjust the pitch to her voice. I'll repeat, a lovely book. |
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25 Dec 21 - 08:51 AM (#4129938) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Thanks very much. Nick |
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25 Dec 21 - 03:25 PM (#4129969) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Felipa I see that Camp Harmony includes a singaround of songs from "A Secret Stream". Does it matter whether or not people sing the same versions that are in/mentioned in the book. Camp Harmony is on line 30 Dec- 2 Jan. Registration closes Tues 28 Dec at 12 noon Pacific time (8 pm UTC) |
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25 Dec 21 - 07:00 PM (#4129984) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Could you post a link. please? |
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27 Dec 21 - 12:33 PM (#4130122) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Felipa Maybe that proposed Secret Stream singaround has been withdrawn. I didn't take any note of the day or time or who was leading the session. Today I don't see it on the Camp Harmony schedule https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12jldcYY9h_brhNvp-A9HZP6cusmaSIDmOhW9NFUrdhI/edit#gid=169893150 Of course songs featured in the book would feature at other singarounds. Camp Harmony is online from 30 Dec - 2 Jan 2021-22. Pre-registration is required and that closes at noon- US Pacific time (2 pm Central, 3 pm Eastern, 8 pm GMT, etc) - on TUES 28 DEC. at https://forms.gle/DPuWTC5FAe3a7crWA |
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28 Dec 21 - 04:35 AM (#4130178) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: GUEST,Nick Dow Pity! It was a nice idea. Never mind. |
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29 Dec 21 - 04:08 PM (#4130344) Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow From: Felipa Ah, there is another 2021 book which is the theme for a Camp Harmony singaround. Dick Holdstock is leading a workshop of songs from his book “Again With One Voice: British Songs of Political Reform, 1768 to 1868,” to be held this Friday the 31st at 1:30 pm Pacific time (9.30 pm GMT/UTC) As I said before, undoubtedly some of the Secret Stream songs would suit other singarounds at Camp Harmony. I also heard that there is a possibility of having impromptu workshops in unoccupied breakaway rooms and that there will be a bulletin board where these can be publicised. About 8 hours after Camp Harmony registration was supposed to close, someone emailed me that it appeared to still be open. I don't know the present situation ... if you haven't registered it's probably to late, but perhaps not! |