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08 Aug 21 - 07:49 AM (#4115800) Subject: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: derekpiotr Hi All, Have spent some time in Yorkshire over from America, and am beginning to do some field-work. Recently published an article for Appalachian History detailing some of my findings so far: https://www.appalachianhistory.net/2021/08/the-pricketty-bush-and-british-origins.html cheers, Derek |
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08 Aug 21 - 10:17 AM (#4115814) Subject: RE: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: Georgiansilver I used to sing a song in the UK in the 1970s called The Prickly Bush (pronounced prickleye) I assume we are talking te same song.... here sung by Steeleye Span.https://youtu.be/ntaUk3Fi5ps |
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08 Aug 21 - 11:34 AM (#4115826) Subject: RE: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: Brian Peters Will Noble is great, isn't he. I interviewed him a few years ago, and heard some really interesting tales of the old 'sheep meets' and 'singing do's'. What I'm puzzled by, though is your statement that Child 95 is 'one of the oldest English ballads in existence'. I thought that the earliest version we know about was from the 18th century, and would be interested to know whether you (or Steve Gardham) has managed to trace it further back. If you're interested in the Appalachian history of Child 95, it's adaptation by African-American communities is a very interesting part of the story. |
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08 Aug 21 - 11:45 AM (#4115829) Subject: RE: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: GUEST https://mainlynorfolk.info/lloyd/songs/thepricklybush.html https://mainlynorfolk.info/lloyd/songs/thepricklybush.html |
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08 Aug 21 - 12:54 PM (#4115840) Subject: RE: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: Brian Peters From Bert Lloyd's sleeve notes quoted at the above link: '... after the Watts ghetto riots of 1965, a set appeared in which a young black looter appears in court to face a heavy fine or the “gallows twine.” The rescuer in this case is neither father, mother nor sweetheart but a social worker who arrives with the money just in time.' This is a new one on me. Anyone else? Worth tracking down if true. |
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08 Aug 21 - 01:15 PM (#4115845) Subject: RE: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: GUEST,# Sorry. Forgot my #. You may wish to look at the following thread: https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=81179 |
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08 Aug 21 - 02:01 PM (#4115849) Subject: RE: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: derekpiotr reminding me of this lovely version: https://digitalcollections.uark.edu/digital/collection/OzarkFolkSong/id/754 |
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08 Aug 21 - 02:37 PM (#4115852) Subject: RE: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: Brian Peters This is getting interesting... Many thanks for that link, Derek, a wonderful recording with some lovely blue notes. Thanks also to # - somehow I'd missed that thread, though I did know about the Child ballads in Dorothy Scarborough's book. There are examples of African-American versions of 'Hangman' in Alphonso Smith's work too. |
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11 Aug 21 - 12:07 PM (#4116176) Subject: RE: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: GeoffLawes Field recording from British Library https://sounds.bl.uk/World-and-traditional-music/Terry-Yarnell-Collection/025M-C1005X0015XX-1200V0 |
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11 Aug 21 - 12:23 PM (#4116178) Subject: RE: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: RTim I sing the version collected in Hampshire by Bob Copper and published in his book - Southern Songs and Breezes (for more details see Reinhard's Mainly Norfolk link above: THE PRICKLE HOLLY BUSH. Oh Hangman stand for awhile For I think I see my own dear Mother Coming over yonder stile. Oh Mother have you got any gold Or silver to set me free, For to keep my body from the cold clay ground And my neck from high gallows tree. Oh no I’ve got no gold Nor silver to set thee free, For I have come to see you hang Hang from the high gallows tree. Oh the Prickle Holly Bush It pricked my heart full sore And if ever I get out Of the Prickle Holly Bush I’ll never get in it any more. Then - Father, Sister, Brother & Lover Etc. But lover HAS gold, etc. As sung here on my SoundCloud site...https://soundcloud.com/tim-radford/prickle-holly-bush Tim Radford |
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15 Aug 21 - 10:42 AM (#4116622) Subject: RE: Origins: ‘The Pricketty Bush’ and British origins From: GeoffLawes The Watersons - Prickle Holly Bushhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl1KtfAcyOA |