09 May 22 - 04:12 PM (#4141310) Subject: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Joe Offer In the DT, but needs research. https://www.bartleby.com/243/168.html CAWSAND BAY (DT Lyrics) In Cawsand Bay lyin', the Blue Peter Flyin' The hands all turn'd up, oh, the anchor to weigh; There came off a lady, as fresh as a May-Day Who, looking up modestly, these words did say: "Oh aloft there, an' ahand there, I want a young man there So hoist me aboard or send him to me For his name's Harry Grady, an' I am a lady Just come off to save him from goin' to sea. The captain, his honor, when he looked upon her Swung down the ship's side to help her aboard, Saying then, with emotion, "What son-o'-the-ocean Can thus be a-wanted by Elinor Ford?" To this she made answer, "That there is me man, sir I'll make him as rich an' as grand as a lord," "Look 'ere," says the captain, "it can't very well 'appen We've got sailing orders. My man, git aboard!" "Avast!" says the lady, "Don't mind him Hal Grady He once was your cap'n but now you're at large, You shan't sail aboard 'er, in spite that chap's order an out of her bosom she lugged his discharge." Then the captain, says he, now, "I'm damned but he's free, now Hal sings out, "Let Weatherface have all me clothes!" For the shore then he steered her, the lads they all cheered her But the captain was jealous and looked down his nose. Then sh got a shore tailor to rig her young sailor In tight nankeen britches and a long blue-tailed coat, He looked like a squire for all to admire With a dimity handkerchief tied round his throat. An' now she says, "Harry, the next thing we'll marry." An' she looked like a dove in his fair manly face; "That's good, " said Hal Grady, "A parson stand ready And after a long splice, we'll splice the main brace." An' they have a house, greater than e'er a first-rater Wid lackeys in uniform servin' the drinks; Wid a garden to go in, mid flowers a-flowin' The lily, the tulip, the lilac and pink. Then he got eddication, quite fit for his station Cos ye know we ain't never to old for to larn, An' his shipmates soon found 'im, mid the young 'uns around him All chips off the old block from stem to the starn. From Songs of the Sea, Hugill note: Hugill dates this as early 18th century, based on Hal's wardrobe and the use of the obsolete term "first-rater" Cawsand Bay was a popular rendezvous for the British Navy. Tune is a sea-going Molly Malone. RG @sailor @marriage filename[ CAWSAND TUNE FILE: CAWSAND CLICK TO PLAY RG apr96
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09 May 22 - 04:34 PM (#4141315) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Steve Gardham Yes, it's in my edition of Whall, but pretty obviously an art song and unlikely to be any earlier than the late 19th century. Baring Gould and Fleetwood Sheppard gave it in 1894 in 'A Garland of Country Song' at p.49. Baring Gould states 'We give this sailor song with some hesitation. In the first place because the melody is without originality and in the second place because we do not believe that it is a folk song proceeding from the sailors themselves. Whatever was its origin, and poor as the air may be, it has, however, been accepted by the sailors, and few -- certainly no Devonshire sailors will be found who do not know and enjoy it.' They first had the tune from a bandmaster of the Royal Marines and then a Lieutenant gave him the words. I have not seen it on any broadsides. Terry included it in his 'Salt Sea Ballads' 1931. He states: 'L. A. Smith (of Newcastle) prints the words as they were sung in Northumberland. Other versions of them appear in Firth and elsewhere. I learnt the tune from Mr. James Runciman; it was printed in Sharp's A Book of British Song, in 1902.' I must add that Terry's text is pretty much the same as that in Garland. |
09 May 22 - 04:34 PM (#4141316) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Nigel Parsons If it's any help, It gets a mention in the book "Plymouth and Devonport in Times of War and Peace" by Henry Francis Whitfield(Published 1900) This does seem to be a shorter version of the song. Full text transcription Here (scroll to p221) Press-gangs at Work in Plymouth : 1803. 221 |
09 May 22 - 04:37 PM (#4141318) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Steve Gardham I haven't got a copy of Firth, but his Naval Ballads might have more info. |
09 May 22 - 04:46 PM (#4141320) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Steve Gardham Cawsand Bay.Firth Hopefully this will take you to Firth's account of the song. |
09 May 22 - 04:50 PM (#4141322) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Nigel Parsons An earlier discussion on Mudcat pushes the date back to 1887 or earlier with a partial quote Here Although then the 'Lady's name was Elinor Ford |
09 May 22 - 04:55 PM (#4141325) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Nigel Parsons Also in a book published 1840 Here Where it gives the tune as 'Banks of the Dee' |
10 May 22 - 03:38 PM (#4141372) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Steve Gardham Nice one, Nigel. |
19 Sep 23 - 04:41 AM (#4181933) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: GUEST According to Wikipedia > A once-popular ballad entitled "Harry Grady and Miss Elinor Ford, the Rich Heiress" appeared as early as 1840 in Hamilton Moore's Nautical Sketches (William Edward Painter, 1840). |
19 Sep 23 - 04:41 AM (#4188523) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: GUEST According to Wikipedia > A once-popular ballad entitled "Harry Grady and Miss Elinor Ford, the Rich Heiress" appeared as early as 1840 in Hamilton Moore's Nautical Sketches (William Edward Painter, 1840). |
19 Sep 23 - 12:14 PM (#4188524) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Anglo Dave Burland sang a (lovely, IMHO) version of the song on his eponymous 1972 album, noting that he found the song "idly leafing through a tome at Cecil Sharp House." I suspect that it was Whall - as Steve G noted above, it's there, in the 4th edition though not in my copy of the 3rd. The tune in Whall is the "Molly Malone" variant given at the top here. Dave used a different tune - it's not The Banks of the Dee, either. Did he write it? |
19 Sep 23 - 12:14 PM (#4181983) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Anglo Dave Burland sang a (lovely, IMHO) version of the song on his eponymous 1972 album, noting that he found the song "idly leafing through a tome at Cecil Sharp House." I suspect that it was Whall - as Steve G noted above, it's there, in the 4th edition though not in my copy of the 3rd. The tune in Whall is the "Molly Malone" variant given at the top here. Dave used a different tune - it's not The Banks of the Dee, either. Did he write it? |
19 Sep 23 - 01:38 PM (#4181995) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Lighter A writer in "Chambers's Journal" (March 30, 1878) mentions it as a favorite in the Royal Navy that he heard when "ashore in the straits of Malacca." He also heard "The Loss of the Ramilies." By the 1880s "Cawsand Bay" must have been considered a very typical English sea song. On April 1, 1884, the Tiverton Gazette reported the performance, by "the full band of Her Majesty's Flag-Ship 'Royal Adelaide,' a composition by E. Binding called 'Our Life on the Ocean," which consisted of a number of nautical selections: A Life on the Ocean Wave The Lass the Loves a Sailor In Cawsand Bay Lying The anchor's Weighed Poor Jack Come, Come My Jolly Lads Bay of Biscay Hearts of Oak Tom Bowling Death of Nelson The saucy "Arethusa" Sailor's Hornpipe Farewell and Adieu, Ye Fair Spanish Ladies Home, Sweet Home Rule, Britannia Binding's piece had some popularity. It was even performed by the U.S. Third Infantry Regiment Band at Fort Snelling, Minnesota, in 1897 (says the Saint Paul Globe, Jan. 24, 1897). |
19 Sep 23 - 01:38 PM (#4188525) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Lighter A writer in "Chambers's Journal" (March 30, 1878) mentions it as a favorite in the Royal Navy that he heard when "ashore in the straits of Malacca." He also heard "The Loss of the Ramilies." By the 1880s "Cawsand Bay" must have been considered a very typical English sea song. On April 1, 1884, the Tiverton Gazette reported the performance, by "the full band of Her Majesty's Flag-Ship 'Royal Adelaide,' a composition by E. Binding called 'Our Life on the Ocean," which consisted of a number of nautical selections: A Life on the Ocean Wave The Lass the Loves a Sailor In Cawsand Bay Lying The anchor's Weighed Poor Jack Come, Come My Jolly Lads Bay of Biscay Hearts of Oak Tom Bowling Death of Nelson The saucy "Arethusa" Sailor's Hornpipe Farewell and Adieu, Ye Fair Spanish Ladies Home, Sweet Home Rule, Britannia Binding's piece had some popularity. It was even performed by the U.S. Third Infantry Regiment Band at Fort Snelling, Minnesota, in 1897 (says the Saint Paul Globe, Jan. 24, 1897). |
22 Jan 24 - 05:40 PM (#4195969) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Joe Offer Here it is in Whall: Google books (click) |
24 Apr 24 - 10:02 AM (#4201513) Subject: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: GUEST Does anyone have any information on the origins of Cawsand Bay http://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=1123 I can find little to nothing in Google |
24 Apr 24 - 12:04 PM (#4201523) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: GeoffLawes Various recordings of “Cawsand Bay “ on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cawsand+bay+song Mudcat, Origins: Cawsand Bay /mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=171250 Mudcat DT Lyrics /mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=171250&messages=9 Mudcat, Cawsand Bay: who was Elinor Ford? /mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=151266 |
24 Apr 24 - 12:05 PM (#4201524) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: Robert B. Waltz It dates back to at least 1888 (Smith's "Music of the Waters"), but all the early versions seem to be printed texts, not field collections. I would guess that it is a composed song, not truly traditional. But I can't prove it. It's Roud #22827, so you can look up the versions and see what you think. |
24 Apr 24 - 01:41 PM (#4201536) Subject: RE: Origins: Cawsand Bay From: GUEST Oh, there is an origins thread already. Many thanks and sorry to repeat. It didn't come up when I searched. |