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16 Nov 22 - 06:03 AM (#4157783) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Helen Posts from the last Trump thread have been moved over here to lighten the load on the Mudcat server, as suggested by Joe. If you wish to visit the first portion (now closed, but still in view, visit here. It seemed appropriate to start with that link to Doonesbury, an excellent source of political commentary in the US. ---mudelf
Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for March 27, 2022 Thanks Sandra, that's funny! |
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16 Nov 22 - 06:37 AM (#4157787) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: MaJoC the Filk > Maybe he genuinely believes that it is not possible for him to lose There's no "maybe" about it. He's a |
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16 Nov 22 - 09:51 AM (#4157804) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Norman Vincent Peale yes, but also Roy Cohn. And Cohn was insidious in his persistent misbehavior and was a mentor to Trump. (He was a nasty piece of work, largely responsible for convicting the Rosenbergs, and then serving as counsel for Joe McCarthy.) And I bless Tony Kushner for his Angels in America and making Cohn a major character with enough of his bad behavior in view to educate a newer generation. Of course that was a couple of decades ago now - it's time for a revival to teach the newest voters about Trump's most important "influencer." |
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17 Nov 22 - 10:58 AM (#4157915) Subject: BS: Please explain Donald Trump... From: Big Al Whittle Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....? 1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process. 2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why? 3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country. 4) millions of Americans want to vote for him. |
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17 Nov 22 - 11:03 AM (#4157916) Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump... From: Dave the Gnome Al, there were millions of us Brits that believed a nicotine stained toad that leaving the EU would be good for us and that a posh blonde idiot was fit to lead our country. Let he who is without sin... |
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17 Nov 22 - 11:33 AM (#4157920) Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump... From: meself I don't know .... Used to be, when I'd see film footage of Hitler or Mussolini emoting at the podium to adoring crowds, I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures that made such obvious buffoons appear to be serious figures, and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible to such dangerous comedy. Then along came trump ... and Boris, I suppose, although beside his American counterpart, he almost appeared dignified, from the western shore of the pond, anyway .... |
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17 Nov 22 - 11:35 AM (#4157921) Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump... From: Donuel Short of reading my 4,738 posts on Trump, I would say many people are under-educated, underachieving, criminally enthusiastic losers who feel that "he is one of us". |
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17 Nov 22 - 12:17 PM (#4157926) Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump... From: Doug Chadwick I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures ......., and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible ..... The Angles and Saxons were from Germany before they had the sense to move to England. DC |
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17 Nov 22 - 12:24 PM (#4157928) Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump... From: Big Al Whittle I don't think the two are in any way comparable. For one thing Boris has been cast out into the darkness, whereas Donal is knee deep in fan mail. By and large Johnson was doing quite good moral things( like the furlough scheme) at a time Trump was suggesting injecting ourselves with disinfectant. I mean theres bad, and theres outrageously bonkers. |
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17 Nov 22 - 12:26 PM (#4157929) Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump... From: Doug Chadwick ... and before anybody nit picks, I know it wasn't called England until a while after they arrived. DC |
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17 Nov 22 - 12:28 PM (#4157930) Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump... From: Steve Shaw One thing that needs blowing right out of the water, Al: the Tory furlough scheme was no act of charity. The Tories had NO ALTERNATIVE but to bring it in. Any government of any colour would have had to do exactly the same. |
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17 Nov 22 - 12:54 PM (#4157935) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!) From: Stilly River Sage Back when we were overwhelmed with UK political threads and started enforcing the one thread for all of that complaints came in about how many Trump threads were out there and I agreed that the cretin deserves no more than one thread. I have just moved Big AL's discussion into this thread, because no matter how laudable the discussion might start, it would soon deteriorate into the mess that is on the other thread. Now that Trump has inserted himself into a political framework in hopes of heading off prosecutions that can be discussed here, along with anything else about him. |
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17 Nov 22 - 01:08 PM (#4157937) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!) From: Big Al Whittle I really don't think the furlough scheme would have occurred to a Thatcher government. None of which matters a damn. The question on the table is, why the sane section of the American population allowed the rest of the world to be threatened by this man's re-emergence. He should be in a jail cell by now. This is the country where a guy got a life sentence for nicking a pizza. |
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17 Nov 22 - 01:10 PM (#4157938) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!) From: Doug Chadwick NO new Trmp threads! HOORAY! DC |
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17 Nov 22 - 02:21 PM (#4157945) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!) From: Dave the Gnome They have all grabbed power and airtime through populism, Al. Yes, there are degrees but do you imagine for one minute that Johnson, Farage or any of the other sociopaths out there would not have done the same as Trump (or even Putin!) if they thought it would extend their power? |
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17 Nov 22 - 04:02 PM (#4157961) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!) From: Big Al Whittle If you want Dave, who knows? I just can't understand how this has happened. I mean, can't you remember the weeks when Jan 6th was the top news story in OUR country. Many of his followers really do not believe in democratic process and openly talk of prosecuting anyone who opposes him. If no one is allowed to beat him in an election. We have another dictatorship like Russia and China and North Korea. The two things twat Farage and Bumbling Boris are not in the same league of tragedy for the free world. Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series about what a whizz bang law enforcement service you have over there, whilst this man openly schemes to steal your democracy. |
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17 Nov 22 - 08:34 PM (#4157975) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!) From: meself "Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series ...." Might be an idea if Britain stopped ordering them .... |
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18 Nov 22 - 12:22 AM (#4157980) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!) From: Stilly River Sage Whether or not they support Trump or break off in their own demented direction, the GOP has a slim majority in the House and will turn it into a circus for the next two years. Biden has seen them coming from a long way off. Colorado's Lauren Boebert is in a race so close that there will be a recount - it would be nice to get rid that clown. Another jerk, Madison Cawthorn, has moved out of his congressional office two months before the end of the term. Is he still collecting a paycheck? He apparently often votes by proxy - having another member of congress cast his vote, so he's absent from the capitol. He lost his primary last spring so has been withdrawing from the congressional work for months. By all accounts, when Trump first won he was surprised to win, and when he had to spend time in the White House he was unhappy with how old and relatively small it is, compared to his palatial residences. Melania refused to move in for months, and now that most of his family are "stepping back to spend time with their families," one wonders if Melania would refuse to participate in a campaign, should he get the nomination. |
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18 Nov 22 - 11:43 AM (#4158032) Subject: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp thr 2 From: Stilly River Sage Joe has suggested that to keep Mudcat stable, reducing the number of very long threads is something I might do with this particular thread. So I'm moving the last couple of dozen posts to this new thread and then will close the old thread but link it for reference. Trump Actions and Effects - part 1 This was the first post until I transferred some from the last thread - I'll leave it here for now as an explanation for what happened. And apologies to Big Al - I could have just switched over to his thread and closed the old one. But whatever - it is done, and his questions are in this thread. |
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18 Nov 22 - 12:02 PM (#4158034) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome You may want to do the same with the UK politics one? |
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18 Nov 22 - 12:13 PM (#4158038) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I had that same thought. Later this afternoon. |
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18 Nov 22 - 03:41 PM (#4158057) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage In the couple of hours since I made this new thread, Merrick Garland has appointed Jack Smith special counsel to continue working with the various Trump investigations and COMPLETE the work. Not start from scratch, but to work with those who are already doing the job and move forward. Saves a lot of time. Trump, of course, calls this political theater. NPR reporting on today's events. |
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20 Nov 22 - 04:34 PM (#4158195) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Twitter-owner Elon Musk has reinstated Trump on Twitter. Was it really necessary to spend $44B to bring the Orange One back online? This seems to be where the whole episode has been heading. |
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22 Nov 22 - 07:59 AM (#4158354) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump has ignited a culture war on of all people Trans folk. The gunman was taken down by the heroic patrons Five were dead and dozens wounded by the crazy Satan pulled down by his armor and beaten until he was still Heros ended hell but red politicians had not the will to grab the AR from the killer's twitching hands That it took patron heroes is easy to understand The crowd outside gathered and the ambulances came To carry off the bodies of pawns lost in the game Some stared in hatred, and others turned in pain But everyone wished they could feel safe again The veteran is now a hero but his daughter's friend was dead We revisit these scenes every week and never get ahead chorus: Some blame the rhetoric and others blame the heretic. We want some heroes to make sense and come to our defense Every year we fall farther behind as the blind are shooting the kind It is time to open your eyes and end the lies that deny. |
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25 Nov 22 - 11:23 AM (#4158715) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage E. Jean Carroll is making use of a new law in NY State that went into effect yesterday, allowing victims of physical violence like rape to sue their attackers even decades after it happened. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jean-carroll-files-new-lawsuit-donald-trump-alleging/story. If there was ever anyone who deserved it to have people pile on regarding charges and lawsuits, Trump is it. |
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26 Nov 22 - 11:02 AM (#4158818) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage It is a race to see if the Democratic House (until January 2) can get their hands on the Trump tax returns and park them in places where the Kevin McCarthy gangsters can't immediately hide them from view. The Supreme Court didn't block the access, surprising with his appointees, but for now we will take what we can get. |
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27 Nov 22 - 11:54 AM (#4158927) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2022/11/27/trump-calls-kanye-west-seriously-troubled-man-in-latest-defense-of-dinner-with-west-and-white-supremacist-nick-fuentes/ |
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28 Nov 22 - 11:07 PM (#4159130) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Jewish Allies Call Trump’s Dinner With Antisemites a Breaking Point Supporters who looked past the former president’s admirers in bigoted corners of the far right, and his own use of antisemitic tropes, now are drawing a line. “He legitimizes Jew hatred and Jew haters,” says one. “And this scares me.” |
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29 Nov 22 - 09:50 AM (#4159175) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Bill D To follow up on Big Al's post: "Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....? 1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process. 2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why? 3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country. 4) millions of Americans want to vote for him. " ---------------------------------------- The Republican party is now a loose coalition of antiabortion advocates, anti-immigration zealots, gun nuts, climate and holocaust deniers, fiscal conservatives, greedy corporations, Gerrymandering states and pure fascists..etc.. who don't necessarily 'like' Trump, but want stuff he seems willing to give them in order to retain power and stay out of jail. (He gave them a Supreme Court) Now, as Trump gets wackier by the day, they are trying to oh, so carefully, disassociate themselves from him as his troubles increase... but find someone(s) else to keep his 'spirit' alive. This leads to power struggles, crazy candidates, awkward alliances and the extreme polarization of the electorate we see these days. The 'United' States doesn't mean what it was supposed to. The recent election shows that the majority is still trying to avoid an autocracy, but it's not easy when ***STATE'S RIGHTS*** still allows some states to simply ignore certain parts of the Constitution and re-write voting laws. So, Big Al.. Englishmen are not dumb... but they simply have a hard time comprehending why we don't DO SOMETHING! We have painted ourselves into a corner where our own democratic legal system can be used against that frustrated majority. It's kinda like Monty Python.."Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition" |
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29 Nov 22 - 02:26 PM (#4159212) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage On the computer I'm using this afternoon they don't have an ad blocker installed; when I clicked on this thread an ad for buying a Trump commemorative coin popped up. Gag. |
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30 Nov 22 - 03:50 AM (#4159268) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Mr Red Acoording to the New Scientist in an article on "swarms" and group behaviour (Feb 1 - 2014 p49). It takes a quote from the publication "Science" vol 334, p1578 and says: For better or worse, ignorance plays a significant role in the way democracies operate. Sound familiar? |
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19 Dec 22 - 11:28 AM (#4159708) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Today's January 6 Committee hearing meeting is coming up in a couple of hours. It will be largely symbolic as prosecution referrals go, but it means a whole lotta testimony, collected under oath, will be headed to the Justice Department now before the new Congress can suppress the work. Trump's ass is grass. So to speak. |
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19 Dec 22 - 03:27 PM (#4159721) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: The Sandman Trumps domestic policy leaves much to be desired, |
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19 Dec 22 - 03:49 PM (#4159723) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor His domestic policy is simply "fleece the rubes". |
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19 Dec 22 - 04:47 PM (#4159731) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Sounds like he could be in a spot of legal bother. Bring it on. |
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19 Dec 22 - 11:45 PM (#4159758) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage This might be what pushes him to decide to rejoin Twitter. An enabling event. Just as Musk is told that everyone on the planet wants him to step down and appoint a CEO for Twitter. What could happen? |
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23 Dec 22 - 09:34 PM (#4160068) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Mitch McConnell today told NBC News that he would actively work against any Trump candidates in the 2024 election. But even if he said it doesn't mean he'll do it. He just said it over again like he has, in more or less the same meaning, in the past. |
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26 Dec 22 - 02:27 PM (#4160311) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel For 300 years the racial hatred in the US has been horrendous. Immigrants have faced quota systems that prevented their entry. America first referred to an anti immigration policy and isolationism. Trumps knows his hateful base. |
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27 Dec 22 - 07:27 AM (#4160378) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Here comes the 2023 Trump candidacy.. for President. Its going to get late early Quote Yogi Beara |
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28 Dec 22 - 11:21 PM (#4160579) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The Trump environment of no consequences for lying about important stuff has shifted, and is about to bite George Santos In The Ass. George Santos Faces Federal and Local Investigations, and Public Dismay Prosecutors said on Wednesday that they would examine Mr. Santos, who has admitted lying about his work and educational history during his campaign. Dec. 28, 2022 |
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29 Dec 22 - 12:19 AM (#4160583) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage And . . . once again, Trump was able to run out the clock. Jan. 6 Committee Withdraws Its Subpoena of Trump With the panel wrapping up its work in the final days before a new Congress, it has also pulled back its subpoenas for other witnesses. The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony. His ass is still grass. There are too many investigations, PLUS, the new head of the investigation for the DOJ can issue subpoenas. It isn't over for "Donal John," as one obnoxious Mudcatter used to fondly call him. |
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29 Dec 22 - 09:50 AM (#4160606) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There isn't a paywall here so CNBC should have a link to Trump's taxes tomorrow when they're released at 9am Eastern time. Here is the Senate Report summarizing his tax status. (A PDF) |
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30 Dec 22 - 12:00 PM (#4160715) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump Tax Returns Released by House Democrats New York Times, if you can open it the whole story should be there, with links. The release came 10 days after Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee published two reports about Mr. Trump’s taxes as part of an inquiry into the Internal Revenue Service’s practice of conducting mandatory audits on presidents while they are in office. The reports found that the I.R.S. failed to audit Mr. Trump during the first two years of his presidency and did not begin the examination process until 2019, after House Democrats initiated oversight proceedings in an attempt to gain access to his tax records. |
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30 Dec 22 - 04:21 PM (#4160738) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel America has always had two sets of laws. One is written for certain races and the poor The other set of laws is unwritten and for the wealthy. The Constitution sometimes crosses that border between the two sets of laws. That's why Trump wants to destroy the Constitution. By god if they try to use the Constitution against Trump what is this country coming to? |
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31 Dec 22 - 06:12 AM (#4160800) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > America has always had two sets of laws. So has England (I can't speak for the rest of the Untied Kingdom). It goes back a Long Way: "To them that have shall be given, and from them that have not shall be taken away even that which they have" appears several times in the Gospels. |
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31 Dec 22 - 09:15 AM (#4160824) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage America has a set of laws regarding court cases and procedures that Trump and many rich people are able to game for themselves, at any rate. |
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31 Dec 22 - 03:02 PM (#4160867) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel His goose is cooked in time for Christmas. |
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01 Jan 23 - 06:17 AM (#4160913) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > His goose is cooked in time for Christmas. But he insists on leaving it on the sideboard. He'll end up with cold turkey. |
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01 Jan 23 - 01:57 PM (#4160938) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Once he's finally charged with something and he's knocked out of contention in future elections, they can stop worrying about all of these investigations, though I would like to see him sentenced to prison time, even if he receives probation. |
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01 Jan 23 - 07:40 PM (#4160966) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage New Years Eve party at Mar a Lago "Former President Trump’s annual New Year’s Eve party at Mar-a-Lago was packed this year, with the guests reportedly including hundreds of the club’s members and Trump political allies. Among the attendees were MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell and the former president’s onetime attorney Rudy Giuliani. Eric Trump and wife Lara were also in attendance, as well as Melania Trump, according to The Palm Beach Post. But several other family members appeared notably absent, including Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump." Apparently he included a press opportunity but none of the cable news agencies attended. Poor widdle Donald. |
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01 Jan 23 - 07:54 PM (#4160969) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Sandra in Sydney did he really invite fake news media, or are they all Truth(full) media? |
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01 Jan 23 - 11:39 PM (#4160974) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I didn't delve deeply into that, just glanced through a Yahoo blurb about a press opportunity that the networks ignored. |
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02 Jan 23 - 12:51 AM (#4160975) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Sandra in Sydney only the fake news media would ignore him .... |
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02 Jan 23 - 02:08 AM (#4160978) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: robomatic There is a fine old Americanism which may have outlived most American minds by now: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." This is kind of sad because it displays an implicit self confidence that the average American was competent to parse reality with enough success to figure it out. This is why I was so depressed by the performance of many Americqans in the 2016 election. And here SIX YEARS LATER the supposedly canny citizens of New York prove themselves PDS (PrettyDamnSusceptible) to the mouthings of a guy in a relatively clean brown suit who practises a little resume inflation. Unless he actually stole enough money to arouse the cupidity of his co-sponsers, he falls into that democratic basin of a-legality that allows votes to supplement good order, law and morality. This is something that Trump has not led us to, but has shown us as in a mirror of shame and stupidity. " |
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02 Jan 23 - 05:02 AM (#4160987) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Big Al Whittle its one of those anomalies. during the war, apparently you were lucky if you could get 10 woodbines - yet there was Churchill with an inexhaustible supply of Cuban cigars. Apparently some people did resent that, but not the majority. Now we have Trump who doesn't pay any tax, though most people do. Apparently some people do resent that, but not the majority. |
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02 Jan 23 - 10:41 AM (#4161041) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump pushes for tri-partisanship and then rule by Royalty. |
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02 Jan 23 - 10:49 AM (#4161042) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage From Grammarist: The saying, Fool Me Once, Shame on You; Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me was first used in 1650 by politician Anthony Weldon. It’s a witty way to say that you should learn from someone’s tricks on you. If you don’t, you’re the only one to blame. Weldon was an English 17th Century courtier and politician. I looked it up. That's one of those quotes that could as easily be attributed to Mark Twain (who may also have said it, or something more clever along those lines.) That Long Island con man has operated under the national radar until now. Chances are he doesn't have the personal fortune to play the same massive shell game that Trump has managed. |
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03 Jan 23 - 01:05 PM (#4161171) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Electoral Count Act reforms are a resounding victory for bipartisanship and democracy A quick read, showing that bi-partisan cooperation is still possible. And Trump's tactic is now impossible to pull off (his alternative electors plot). |
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06 Jan 23 - 05:10 AM (#4161474) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I was alarmed to hear today that half of all Americans believe that there was fraud (along the lines of the Trump allegations) during the last election, and that about 20% think that the Jan 6 attack was in some way justified. These numbers are increasing, the latter having doubled. Putting Trump behind bars may mean he can't become president, but it doesn't mean he can't become a martyr. |
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09 Jan 23 - 11:41 AM (#4161865) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I've heard the reverse, that those numbers of true believers are decreasing. It would be nice if they could drive the Congressional January 6 participants out of office, that would be one way to take the Speaker's gavel away from McCarthy. There are more than four of them, the current lead the GOP has. Enablers, line-straddlers and quiet resisters: How GOP lawmakers contributed to Jan. 6 |
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09 Jan 23 - 12:17 PM (#4161872) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I can't remember where I saw that now, but a quick trawl found this bunch of bullet points in the Daily Mail (I definitely didn't first read it there!). Apparently, the figures were obtained in a YouGov poll of 1500 Americans. Hmm. Daily Mail...YouGov... *gulp* -Americans by a wide margin disapprove of the pro-Trump attack on the Capitol -But the number of people who endorse it has grown these past two years -The share of approving Americans has risen from 9 to 20 percent -Startlingly, the biggest shift in opinion has been among Democrats -The share of approving Democrats has risen from 3 to 16 percent Details, if you really want them, in the Mail if you google "Support for the January 6 attack on the US Capitol has more than doubled..." |
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09 Jan 23 - 01:28 PM (#4161888) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Dark money is supporting a lot of the members of the insurgency, I read that this morning. Trying to turn them into "patriots." |
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10 Jan 23 - 11:36 AM (#4161972) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The MAGA folks in the GOP now intend to defund, one agency or individual at a time, anyone they don't like. |
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10 Jan 23 - 01:54 PM (#4161974) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In two weeks it will be revealed if Trump is to be indicted in Georgia. |
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10 Jan 23 - 04:06 PM (#4161985) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Should that be on the precognition thread? |
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10 Jan 23 - 04:23 PM (#4161986) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw :-) |
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10 Jan 23 - 04:54 PM (#4161988) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage It's unfortunate, but probably not unusual, that when Biden's attorneys were clearing out an office he used at a U of Pennsylvania think tank where he spent some time as vice president, they found a few classified documents. They notified the National Archives immediately and they were retrieved from their locked closet the next day. Unfortunate because Trump is going to try to use it for all he can to suggest that he should be able to keep the documents he had OR that Biden should be charged, etc. |
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11 Jan 23 - 06:10 PM (#4162146) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I just read another headline about another ancient stash of classified papers, but I haven't read the article. It could be that when the Trump thing happened everyone was told "go check your own papers and lets get this all cleared up." The fact that Trump tried all sorts of prevarication and resistance to returning papers the Archives knew he had means he committed a crime where other omissions of returning may be just an oversight. Makes it harder for the AG to make a case, though. |
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13 Jan 23 - 09:30 PM (#4162393) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage While at the gym today one of the televisions over the equipment was tuned to FAUX News. I couldn't hear it, thank dog, but the whole time the chiaron ran about Hunter Biden and Biden's stashed top secret documents. There isn't a story there, but they'll make it into one if they can. |
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14 Jan 23 - 06:06 AM (#4162406) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw For the life of me I can't understand why Biden didn't sneak those papers out of the way as soon as the Trump documents outrage came to light. Tsk. |
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14 Jan 23 - 08:11 AM (#4162416) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Probably forgot he had them. |
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14 Jan 23 - 08:55 AM (#4162426) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In Bizzaro world there may exist anti-plumbers who plant documents and don't steal them. |
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14 Jan 23 - 10:33 AM (#4162442) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk That's an armed-forces tiger-team tactic, Donuel: leave a note reading "Your code books have been stolen" on top of the code books in your secure safe. Successful penetrations are promptly followed by snap site inspections, and the fan changes colour abruptly. In this case, however, methinks Hanlon's Razor is more likely to apply IRL. |
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14 Jan 23 - 10:59 AM (#4162447) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage If you're a rational, prudent person and your predecessor is charged with holding onto top secret papers and refusing to return them, it should occur to you, if I'd been in a place where those documents came your way, to check your own files and see if any got left behind. It sounds like this is what happened. If Bush or Carter or Clinton or anyone else has old documents like this they returned them quietly or they're so old to be harmless now. Hillary was put through the ringer over her private email server and was found to be without malice and no charges filed. That would be the reasonable outcome with any of these others, and the sooner it is taken care of, the better. Trump is in his own toxic case a souvenir collector and I bet if you checked the phones of his visitors to the White House or Mar-a-Lago that you'll find they snapped a few photos of those documents Trump was waving around. |
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14 Jan 23 - 02:47 PM (#4162468) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Charmion Classified records turn up in the strangest places. Some forty tears ago, a Canadian submarine skipper died and left his professional papers to the Public Archives (as it then was). The collection was packed up at the old salt’s house in Esquimalt, trucked to Ottawa, and in due course accessioned. It came to me, then a student on a four-month stage, to be “arranged”, as they say in the racket. Three cubic-foot storage boxes and two weeks into the project, I found a four-inch file box tightly packed with Secret and Top Secret documents about nuclear warheads for torpedoes and performance studies of the then brand-new Oberon class of diesel-electric boats. After his command tour, the skipper was posted to the Operations branch at Naval Headquarters. It was deep in the Cold War and a time of frantic security theatre, but he nevertheless took work home — and forgot some of his reference materials. The world continued to revolve on its axis. |
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15 Jan 23 - 02:28 PM (#4162556) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Where is the final resolution, if any, in that story? |
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16 Jan 23 - 08:26 AM (#4162641) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Could the Democrats be playing chess while the Republicans are playing checkers? I can imagine that Biden reviewed the classified report on the Steele dossier that included the famous Russian Pee video. Not knowing this, Republicans will cry out that the documents must be made public, at which time Democrats will appear to reluctantly give in. Hijinks ensue. |
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16 Jan 23 - 11:52 AM (#4162664) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage That last remark appears to be a brain fart - have you suddenly gone back in time six years? It made an impact when it first came out, but surely Biden didn't have the Trump pee video stashed in the locked garage cabinet. So much water under the bridge since then (or pee over the dam. . . ) In the alternate universe of Trumpville, Matt Gaetz says Trump should pick Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Kristi Noem as his running mate to get votes from women who don't like him for his VP running mate next time. Gaetz hasn't sussed that women despise those two fools also. Trump announced on November 15 that he is running for president again in 2024. This is his third presidential run: He won his first race against Clinton in 2016 and lost to President Joe Biden in 2020. Such incompetence packed into the top of one political party. |
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16 Jan 23 - 11:55 AM (#4162667) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage And firmly in the Trump Sock Puppet school of governance, New details link George Santos to cousin of sanctioned Russian oligarch The New York congressman once claimed Andrew Intrater’s company was his “client,” while another Intrater company allegedly made a deposit with a firm where Santos worked George Santos, the freshman Republican congressman from New York who lied about his biography, has deeper ties than previously known to a businessman who cultivated close links with a onetime Trump confidant and who is the cousin of a sanctioned Russian oligarch, according to video footage and court documents. |
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16 Jan 23 - 03:25 PM (#4162678) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I imagined it would be funny, but farts are funny too. Oligarch WOOF! It seems Russia is involved again afterall. |
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16 Jan 23 - 03:49 PM (#4162680) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel "It’s not like Ukraine is a great democracy. It’s a totalitarian regime. They’re not a great bastion of freedom,” said Santos. He has insisted that Ukraine “welcomed the Russians into their provinces”—an apparent reference to President Vladimir Putin’s 2014 invasion to prop up rogue separatist parties—and that Ukrainians in the east “feel more Russian than Ukrainian,” even though every single Ukrainian province overwhelmingly voted for independence in 1991. It was not the first time Devolder-Santos had parroted Kremlin talking points. In the weeks before Putin’s brutal, blundering attack upon his western neighbor, the candidate repeatedly took to Twitter to accuse President Joe Biden of plotting to “start a war” with Russia and deploy American troops to Ukraine. - Daily Beast |
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16 Jan 23 - 04:43 PM (#4162686) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel ODE TO GEORGE SANTOS (what a load) The only way to get what you want is to become a liar BEYOND COMPARE. Can you do that? My dear, Santos. That's what Trump does. It's what Putin lives for. To help unfortunate folks like yourself. Poor souls with no one else to turn to. I admit that in the past lies have been nasty They weren't kidding when they called me, well, SATAN prince of lies But you'll find that nowadays I've mended all my ways Repented, seen the light, and made a switch Got it? Yes. And I, fortunately, know a little magic It's a talent that I always have possessed And dear George, please don't laugh I use it on behalf Of the miserable, the lonely, and pathetic unfortunate souls In pain, in need This one longing to appear richer That one wants to get the girl And do I help them? Yes, indeed Those poor unfortunate souls So sad, so true They come flocking to my dungeon Crying, "Spells, Satan, please!" And I help them! Yes I do Now it's happened once or twice Someone couldn't pay the price And I'm afraid I had to rake 'em 'cross the coals Yes I've had the odd complaint But on the whole I've been a saint To those poor unfortunate souls Have we got a deal? If I become truthful, I'll never be with my father or sisters again. But you'll have your man, heh heh. Life's full of tough choices, isn't it? Heh heh. Oh, and there is one more thing. We haven't discussed the subject of payment. But I don't have- I'm not asking much, just a token really, a trifle! What I want from you is - your reputation. And after all dear, what is embellished babble for? Come on, they're not all that impressed with honesty Even voters avoid it when they can But they dote and swoon and fawn On a man who lies all he can Come on you poor unfortunate soul Go ahead! Make your choice! I'm a very busy devi and I haven't got all day It won't cost much Just your life You poor unfortunate soul It's sad but true If you want to win a seat among others of deceit You've got the pay the toll Take your arm and go ahead, reach And go ahead and sign the scroll AHHH The boss is on a roll This poor unfortunate soul Come winds of the Caspian Sea Now, LIE! Aah... lie beyond compare! Keep LIEING! |
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18 Jan 23 - 06:56 PM (#4162880) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: robomatic I believe Trump is claiming credit for exposing the current corrupt regime (which regime? You name it!) based on his post incumbancy behaviour. I remember when he took credit for verifying Obama's Americanness based on his campaign to declare him a foreigner. |
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18 Jan 23 - 07:05 PM (#4162882) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Robo, you're alive! |
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19 Jan 23 - 07:41 AM (#4162929) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Narcissists will never change so I expected Trump to return to Twitter. The election denier and losing candidate in New Mexico was arrested for shooting up the homes of winning Democratic candidates. The cold Civil War continues among the criminal element. |
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19 Jan 23 - 10:31 AM (#4162957) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Wow. Even the evangelicals have had enough of Donald Trump. Just days before Donald Trump hosts his first 2024 event in South Carolina, a state whose evangelical population has long played a critical role in its presidential primary, the former president is lashing out at religious conservatives who have declined to endorse his third presidential campaign. |
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19 Jan 23 - 11:09 AM (#4162964) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In chess the king is at great disadvantage without the bishops. The same with authoritarian politics. It is my belief that the teachings of religion is always to suppress freedom and adore the boss, overlord or God. This allows a king a legitimacy since the minions are taught to want and need a leader who is always there to decide for them. Without the support of that segment of society a king has little advantage except to exploit fear and victimhood which the king will find a limited angry but loyal base. It seems obvious to me but many pundits claim that they do not understand the attraction to Trump and fascism. Many people really want to be told what to do. |
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20 Jan 23 - 04:27 PM (#4163059) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump can't help himself, even though it makes no sense. The sound of one stupid mouth flapping: Trump calls for jailing journalists who broke Supreme Court’s draft abortion decision. Former President Trump is calling for the jailing of the journalists who published a leaked draft opinion showing the Supreme Court was poised to overturn Roe v. Wade. He simply doesn't understand the bit in the Constitution about the freedom of the press, if it isn't FAUX News. |
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23 Jan 23 - 04:44 AM (#4163254) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Rain Dog Does anyone keep track of where 'classified' documents go? I think the security system or rather lack of it, needs to be looked at. |
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23 Jan 23 - 07:56 AM (#4163276) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The rules are strict and complex! The myth of a government job is forever is bogus. It is most often ended by a charge of mishandling classified material. It is like Capone getting arrested for taxes and not for the actual crimes. After that even porn on a phone can get you fired. When a government worker is working with classified material, the computer often auto-saves the classified info without the user's knowledge but the rules are to go back and remove the save. Almost everyone is guilty of mishandling when every trace is not unknowingly removed. BUT IN BIDEN'S CASE it was his staff's job to be sure document handling is cleaned up. There is a big difference between top secret and classified or confidential. Senators and Congressmen have to use an eye's only SKIF to view documents but not in the old days. |
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23 Jan 23 - 08:30 AM (#4163286) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Much more info is classified than really needs to be. It is in the trillions. Just cleaning that up has proved difficult. |
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23 Jan 23 - 11:22 AM (#4163315) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The U.S. has an overclassification problem, says one former special counsel |
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23 Jan 23 - 12:00 PM (#4163328) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Yes even newspaper headlines can be classified but most of the time it is used to cover someone's ass for being wrong or dishonest or worse. As for Biden's political (not criminal) problem, I do accuse him of not being unapologetic. |
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23 Jan 23 - 12:15 PM (#4163331) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: leeneia RE the classified documents, I want to know why the National Archives didn't miss them and demand them back. I also want to know whose fingerprints are on them. It would be so easy for somebody to get past the lock on a university office and put something in the room. |
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26 Jan 23 - 08:42 AM (#4163572) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > RE the classified documents, I want to know why the National Archives > didn't miss them and demand them back. Perhaps because we live in a photocopier world? so many copies, so much data to track. > I also want to know whose fingerprints are on them. None if those, erm, donating the documents were halfway competent. |
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26 Jan 23 - 09:01 AM (#4163575) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel There is a bill to enhance the protocols of the National archives. |
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26 Jan 23 - 09:08 AM (#4163577) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel We are past the days of microfilm and copiers. We are past the days of Furbies phones and apple watches. We are in the age of the hack. Eyes only documents are old hat and are being destroyed as we speak. |
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26 Jan 23 - 09:30 AM (#4163578) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > Eyes only documents are old hat and are being destroyed as we speak. Then I fear for the long-term record, as well as short-term security. Hard copy is still signed for wills, house deeds, treaties etc, for long-term durability. For the really long term, follow the example of the English Parliament: Hansard is still printed on vellum, because it lasts longer than even acid-free paper. One of the fundamental problems with securing soft-copy documents is that, when you make a copy, the original is untouched. One can steal a hard-copy document, but its theft is easier to detect, because it isn't where it should be. |
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26 Jan 23 - 03:00 PM (#4163619) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage From Facebook/Meta: Ending Suspension of Trump’s Accounts With New Guardrails to Deter Repeat Offenses Takeaways Truth be told, it is my guess that Facebook wants the revenue from all of the eyeballs that Trump attracts. Bottom line, they want the dollars. "In the event that Mr. Trump posts further violating content, the content will be removed and he will be suspended for between one month and two years, depending on the severity of the violation." Yeah, right. |
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27 Jan 23 - 04:30 AM (#4163660) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel - PM Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:54 PM In two weeks it will be revealed if Trump is to be indicted in Georgia Did it happen? And... 100! |
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27 Jan 23 - 05:22 AM (#4163666) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw What have I told y'all about Facebook... |
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27 Jan 23 - 08:15 AM (#4163673) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The Attorney General of GA. says the announcement is 'imminent'. So far they announced they will not make public the grand jury evidence. That is typical. I bet the usual Friday release of info will be forthcoming. Friday is a prime day to disseminate announcements. |
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27 Jan 23 - 06:54 PM (#4163715) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Nope, no announcement of the indictment today. |
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30 Jan 23 - 09:25 AM (#4163949) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump says he is more committed than ever. If only he were committed. |
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31 Jan 23 - 09:49 PM (#4164081) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Last summer's video of deposition. A civil fraud probe. Nothing new in Trumpland, so they're talking about his taking the Fifth for four hours. |
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01 Feb 23 - 06:25 AM (#4164101) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Republicans have no platform but they are anti-science, anti-vaccine, anti-doctors, anti-chamber of congress, anti social security etc. Even before Covid, Republicans typically ran up the debt to historic levels to make Democrats have to address and fix it later to the unpopular dismay of voters. Holding the country hostage has worked before but now it is a bridge too far. The people are slow to wise up but we are getting wise to the anti-democratic attack on Middle-class America. |
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03 Feb 23 - 10:37 AM (#4164280) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage An Op-Ed out of the Philadelphia Inquirer looking into the reason for the timing of Comey announcing the investigation of the Clinton assistant's laptop right before the election: This week’s stunning corruption charges against a top FBI spymaster who assumed a key role in the bureau’s New York office just weeks before 2016's “October surprise” — an agent who by 2018 was known to be working for a Vladimir Putin-tied Russian oligarch — should cause America to rethink everything we think we know about the Trump-Russia scandal and how it really happened that Trump won that election. |
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03 Feb 23 - 10:38 AM (#4164282) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage In that piece: How coordinated was the effort in that New York field office to pump up the ultimate nothingburger about Clinton’s emails while pooh-poohing the very real evidence of Russian interference on Trump’s behalf, and who were the agents behind it? What was the role, if any, of McGonigal and his international web of intrigue? Was the now-tainted McGonigal a source who told the New York Times that fateful October that Russia was not trying to help Trump win the election — before the U.S. intelligence community determined the exact opposite? If not McGonigal, just who was intentionally misleading America’s most influential news org, and why? All filed under "how Russia helped get Trump elected. |
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05 Feb 23 - 11:27 AM (#4164505) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There were Chinese weather/spy balloons over US territory at least 3 times during the Trump administration. Not. A. Peep. |
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06 Feb 23 - 07:56 AM (#4164578) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel It is the primary season again but the Koch brothers' money network is not going with Trump and is supporting alternatives this time. The DNC is going with a new order of primary states, not going with Iowa first anymore. This will allow D candidates a better showing. The RNC is going with the old order. |
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06 Feb 23 - 10:44 AM (#4164593) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage You're just ahead of me - I looked at this article yesterday about the Koch money and didn't share it. Koch network to back alternative to Trump after sitting out recent primaries That money has always been behind anti-Democratic principles and candidates. I think they're big with the Federalist Society funding as well (think Supreme Court justices) - and they helped the Tea Party get off the ground. |
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06 Feb 23 - 10:58 PM (#4164670) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel a bit of Koch history https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution |
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11 Feb 23 - 09:01 AM (#4164844) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Yet even more classified documents were found at Mara Lago with a staffer's laptop having downloaded a classified document to his computer. |
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12 Feb 23 - 03:57 PM (#4164975) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I didn't see that one. I'm waiting to see proof that visitors to the Mar-a-loco office snapped phone photos of classified documents. You know he let people do it. This is just a little story, but it's what is coming across more often now: Trump's 'desperation' is beginning to show: GOP campaign consultant "DeSantis had a little interesting moment," Jennings told CNN host Jake Tapper. "Trump was attacking him over Covid and said some very dishonest things about what DeSantis had done as governor on Covid policy. And then DeSantis kind of responds to it -- doesn't mention Trump by name -- but he said, 'I did what I did and other people did what they did, and you can look at the electoral results of that.'" |
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13 Feb 23 - 09:54 PM (#4165146) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage A judge in Georgia will release this week three parts of the grand jury report written after the investigation into Trump and his tampering with the Georgia election. It doesn't name names, leaving that to the Fulton County District Attorney when she's ready to press charges. So close . . . |
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13 Feb 23 - 10:02 PM (#4165148) Subject: RE: BS: Possible careers you turned down From: Donuel So now imminent means 4 weeks come this Thursday. Trump has only attacked law enforcement like the Justice Dept. and FBI and has replaced key people with his own BUT NOW the entire third leg of Democracy which is the Court System is in his crosshairs. It is the court that can arrest indict and jail Trump and he can not fire the judges and jury. Moved from the thread where this was accidentally posted. ---mudelf |
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14 Feb 23 - 12:37 PM (#4165202) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Just read the news that Nikki Haley is running for the Republican candidacy. Is this good or bad news? |
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15 Feb 23 - 11:04 AM (#4165248) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage It might be good news for the GOP that it isn't Trump, but she is a Trump apologist all over the place, so not much of an improvement. |
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16 Feb 23 - 06:47 AM (#4165297) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel ;) So a Florida man told the bank teller "I just need 11,780 dollars which is one more than I have" and was immediately arrested and charged with bank robbery. |
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17 Feb 23 - 11:18 AM (#4165401) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Good call! Trump is definitely "Florida man" now since he has rejected his New York City roots. It seems someone lied to the Georgia grand jury and they're not chuffed about that. Heads other than The Donald's may roll. |
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24 Feb 23 - 07:05 AM (#4166035) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Almost everybody couldn't say Voldemort's name except Harry Potter. Today Pense, DeSantis or Niki Halley can't say Trump out loud. Trump's childhood heroes were Norman Vincent Peele, or so they say. I think it was Jackie Gleason from the Honeymooners. |
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24 Feb 23 - 11:07 AM (#4166052) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage That head of the Georgia special grand jury has managed to say his name, I think. She has also managed to spill a whole bunch of beans in her anxiousness to see something come from the eight months they spent working on the project. Hopefully she has someone advising her that less is more. Like to stop that chatter right now. Let the grownups take it from here. |
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27 Feb 23 - 07:33 AM (#4166248) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Fortunately, she was not on the charging grand jury. Simple folks are often enamored by celebrities and go overboard. Lawyers will grab any weed if they are falling down a cliff. |
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27 Feb 23 - 08:02 AM (#4166251) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel As Trump said overseas; "Putin is a genius" I don't see why Putin would lie" "I believe Putin over our own intelligence" etc. one claim is true IMO. Putin was a genius in getting Trump to be his own Kremlin candidate along with Manafort who was Trump's campaign advisor after being the campaign advisor for Putin's Ukraine puppet President who was eventually overthrown by Ukraine and then elected Velodemir Zelenski instead. |
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27 Feb 23 - 08:11 AM (#4166252) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel SNL |
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27 Feb 23 - 10:14 AM (#4166271) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The jury foreperson is an odd one - her 15 minutes of fame are just about up. |
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01 Mar 23 - 06:29 AM (#4166468) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel CHARISMA - i don't know exactly what it is or how its made but whatever it is De Santis doesn't have any. |
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01 Mar 23 - 07:27 AM (#4166472) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor He reminds me of Tricky Dick in that department. |
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01 Mar 23 - 10:57 AM (#4166514) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The latest FAUX amongst the hens is the gift of access to the security camera footage to FOX "news." Content from there was kept back by the January 6 committee for security reasons, court reasons, etc. But apparently the new very handicapped (by 15 votes and a shitload of promises to the corrupt far right) Speaker gave access to only Fox. Someone needs to step in and stop it on legal grounds. |
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02 Mar 23 - 10:00 AM (#4166614) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Fair and balanced reporting will show a split-screen compare and contrast format showing a peaceful Jan. 6th march and tourists staying inside the Capitol velvet ropes to video of Portland riots, Disney security video of long line altercations, people reacting violently to the Charlottesville nazis and Kyle Rittenhouse 'fighting' for his life. What's not fair about the compare and contrast format? |
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02 Mar 23 - 11:02 PM (#4166711) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage From "WTF Just Happened Today": Welcome to Day 772 [of the Biden administration]. He ran this during the Trump administration, started as a lark, I think, but taken seriously by a lot of readers so he buckled down and kept it going. It is finally beginning to feel like the worm has turned as far as Trump's fate in court. |
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03 Mar 23 - 05:47 AM (#4166730) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel He lost a civil suit over Trump University and lost when he sued Mahre and others. My dear, Santos. That's what Trump does. It's what Putin lives for. To help unfortunate folks like yourself. Poor souls with no one else to turn to. I admit that in the past lies have been nasty They weren't kidding when they called me, well, SATAN prince of lies But you'll find that nowadays I've mended all my ways Repented, seen the light, and made a switch Got it? Yes. And I, fortunately, know a little magic It's a talent that I always have possessed And dear George, please don't laugh I use it on behalf Of the miserable, the lonely, and pathetic unfortunate souls In pain, in need This one longing to appear richer That one wants to get the girl And do I help them? Yes, indeed Those poor unfortunate souls So sad, so true They come flocking to my dungeon Crying, "Spells, Satan, please!" And I help them! Yes I do Now it's happened once or twice Someone couldn't pay the price And I'm afraid I had to rake 'em 'cross the coals Yes I've had the odd complaint But on the whole I've been a saint To those poor unfortunate souls Have we got a deal? If I become truthful, I'll never be with my father or sisters again. But you'll have your man, heh heh. Life's full of tough choices, isn't it? Heh heh. Oh, and there is one more thing. We haven't discussed the subject of payment. But I don't have- I'm not asking much, just a token really, a trifle! What I want from you is - your reputation. And after all dear, what is embellished babble for? Come on, they're not all that impressed with honesty Even voters avoid it when they can But they dote and swoon and fawn On a man who lies all he can Come on you poor unfortunate soul Go ahead! Make your choice! I'm a very busy devi and I haven't got all day It won't cost much Just your life You poor unfortunate soul It's sad but true If you want to win a seat among others of deceit You've got the pay the toll Take your arm and go ahead, reach And go ahead and sign the scroll AHHH The boss is on a roll This poor unfortunate soul Come winds of the Caspian Sea Now, LIE! Aah... lie beyond compare! Keep LIEING! Because soon you'll be crying cause the ehics committee sees your nitty gritty You are under investigation. for your imagination. |
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03 Mar 23 - 08:23 AM (#4166747) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel NEW YORK (AP) — Former FBI Director James Comey is on a career path both new and familiar — crime fiction. Comey has a deal to write two novels for The Mysterious Press, an imprint of Penzler Publishers. The first is called “Central Park West,” and it features an assistant U.S. Attorney looking into ties between the Mafia and the murder of a local politician. The book is scheduled for next spring. I started the New Trump Constitution to replace the one Trump wants to terminate and will BE INTRODUCED TO THE WORLD at CPAC. "We the real people in order to provide the most huge and best in the history of the universe, union to provide control and establish the Presidency to do whatever it wants and to establish the real Constitution of the United States of America that replaces the prior woke fake laws by decree on Twitter." CPAC also wants some new Biden scandals but all I have so far is that Jeffery Epstein was the illegitimate love child of a young Joe Biden. |
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03 Mar 23 - 09:48 AM (#4166752) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Wouldn't it be better all round if you cited the source of your parody Donuel? Not everyone is into Disney! (I know it coz I have twin daughters who were 4 when the Little Mermaid came out and when it was released on video we had to rent it every week!) |
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03 Mar 23 - 10:26 AM (#4166753) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Sounds more like The Onion. If Murdoch goes down with FOX for the Dominion stuff, what are the odds he's going to drag Trump under that bus with him? So many possibilities. |
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03 Mar 23 - 09:24 PM (#4166816) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel When it is AP I say so. When it is all me I don't source myself. A song parody is another matter. Did someone forget I was a cartoonist or that my dad was a Constitutional law professor? |
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03 Mar 23 - 10:14 PM (#4166821) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage PLEASE - tell us more about your Dad. I didn't know that. |
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04 Mar 23 - 03:35 AM (#4166827) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Fine. I was only suggesting it may be better if people knew what it was based on. I found it funny because I could envisage Ursula singing it. Others may not. |
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04 Mar 23 - 08:43 AM (#4166837) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Dad was born in Boston to Jewish parents who spoke Yiddish and escaped the Nazis just before the Einsatzgruppen invaded Poland and Russia. Dorchester was a neighborhood in transition between the Irish and the Jews. Lottsa fights. He joined the Army and was given the option to work as a legal clerk for the court martial division in England or join the front line because of religion and the Nazis. He witnessed the Blitz. After the war the GI bill enabled a choice to study journalism or poli sci. An opening in Syracuse for poli sci opened up over Chicago journalism. He sought a law degree as well in Denver but a family and teaching was a bridge too far. He got tenure in New York when I was old enough to glean some of his knowledge and ethics. He kept his head down during the McCarthy era while colleagues wrote books about the Military Industrial Complex. In his day he was in Who's Who but retired with a following of lawyers who studied Constitutional law with him in their youth. His books involved the Supreme Court in human terms and not a scientific analysis. That was considered old school. His standards were strict, however. We ate bacon and he was as reformed as one can get so teaching me religion in Hebrew school was forbidden. As a result I rarely saw the survivors in his side of the family. My dyslexia was not understood so my difficulty in school was attributed to laziness. I have educated my self and now have an affinity to Russel Brand. |
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04 Mar 23 - 08:50 AM (#4166838) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel It was Mom who taught us both about diversity and skill acquisation. |
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04 Mar 23 - 09:27 AM (#4166842) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I understand about the dyslexia - and the Russel Brand reference certainly creates a mental image of functionality and brains. On the Trump front, his former attorney Cohen will probably testify to the grand jury soon. Michael Cohen, former President Trump’s former personal lawyer, believes he will be called to testify to the New York grand jury investigating the former president “very soon.” There's more at the link. |
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04 Mar 23 - 11:27 AM (#4166855) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Out of interest, 'pled' didn't look right to me but I had deen it before so I looked it up and found the following bit of trivia - "The formal pleaded is more common in British English while pled is more common in Scottish and American English." I wonder why it became more common in the US and Scotland? Maybe Trump's Scottish connections? :-D |
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05 Mar 23 - 09:21 AM (#4166937) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk The Don stood in the burning dock when all but he had pled .... |
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05 Mar 23 - 10:00 AM (#4166940) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trying to find news sources that aren't behind paywalls. May not work outside the US. Despite Republicans cooling on him, CPAC is still the Trump show Saturday marked the final day of the Conservative Political Action Conference, and former President Donald Trump delivered the closing act. The rest at the linked page. |
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07 Mar 23 - 04:23 PM (#4167146) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel We deserve Trump. It is all ultimately a CIA blowback from a project to elect a US-friendly Russain. What most people do not know is that 3 Americans were responsible for spearheading Boris Yeltsin's bid to rule. Putin naturally wanted to do the same to America and set people to manage the Trump campaign using the same people he used for a Russian puppet in Ukraine. Both our hands are dirty. It seems Putin has done very well in creating a 'Kremlin' Candidate for the USA. |
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07 Mar 23 - 05:11 PM (#4167150) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The three American campaign consultants were not CIA but after being hired with oligarch money for the Yeltzin election the CIA were clued in. Putin may not see it from our angle. |
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09 Mar 23 - 08:08 PM (#4167184) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump has been invited to testify to the New York grand jury next week, a typical precursor to his being charged. The crime in this instance is paying off Stormy Daniels and another woman about sex - hush money. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/nyregion/trump-potential-criminal-charges-bragg.html |
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09 Mar 23 - 08:36 PM (#4167188) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I have a feeling you will be the first to announce the first indictment of a US President here. |
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12 Mar 23 - 10:01 AM (#4167381) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Michael Cohen to appear before NY Grand Jury (again!) I heard a conversation on MSNBC last week about his many appearances with the prosecutor (18 times). He has testified in other places also, but in this particular case Cohen was found guilty of making the payment and served his time. He's now free to topple Trump. |
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13 Mar 23 - 07:37 AM (#4167453) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel If a hemorrhoid could talk it would sound like De Santis. |
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15 Mar 23 - 08:44 AM (#4167610) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Another Trump outcome has come to pass. His legislation to deregulate 250 billion dollar banks has led to the second largest bank failure like the bigger banks in 2008. Deregulation allows banks to invest depositor money in high-risk schemes that make for bonus money for executives., but anathema for others. |
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15 Mar 23 - 12:44 PM (#4167633) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I don't usually turn on the MSNBC folks in the morning, but today we have two Trump-caused crises looming: anti-abortion advocates went judge-shopping and found one of his appointees in Amarillo, TX, to try to overturn FDA approval of Mifepristone, while mid-size huge banks totter because Trump cut out important features of the Dodd-Franks bill that would have prevented this. Biden needs to do something about expanding the Supreme Court. Or impeach a criminal-class judge who Trump appointed and Clarence Thomas should never have been approved. That one's on Biden, whichever way you look at it. |
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15 Mar 23 - 07:42 PM (#4167667) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Moody’s Downgrades Entire U.S. Banking System; Credit Suisse Plummets. Welcome to Banking Crisis 3.0 On July 29 of last year we wrote that Wall Street Megabanks’ Multi-Billion Dollar Blunders Suggest Money Controls as Good as George Bailey’s Uncle Billy and summed up our analysis with: “This is the stuff of banana republics – not a financial system befitting a superpower.” The rest is at the link. Trump always wants access to banks, and wants to have an unlevel playing field. He borrows from banks, he doesn't invest in them - that I know of - so his diddling the rules regarding banks would have been to benefit himself. One wonders if any banks (Deutsche Bank comes to mind) will throw him under the clown car. |
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16 Mar 23 - 10:41 AM (#4167708) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The bottom line is to not think a panic run on banks is a good idea. This repeat of the effect of deregulation of banks in 1929 and 2008 is not on the same scale. |
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16 Mar 23 - 02:50 PM (#4167736) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > Trump always wants access to banks .... so did the Rumpo Kid in Carry On Cowboy. Hopefully there's a Marshall P Knutt in town somewhere. |
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16 Mar 23 - 02:56 PM (#4167739) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel His name is Elizabeth Warren. |
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17 Mar 23 - 08:20 PM (#4167852) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Washington Week reported an additional 135 Billion dollars has been used to (bailout) prop up a number of banks that will not be disclosed for 2 years. This can lead to a snap slow down in the economy which is probably too much medicine to lower inflation. Between inflation, bailouts, and student loans this looks like a 3 body problem with no clear solution. |
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17 Mar 23 - 08:45 PM (#4167855) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump's Hate List has expanded to include OURSELVES and the 'harrible' people in charge and the, innovative silicon valley companies, Hollywood, Disney, Democratic Culture, Pop Music, Gays-lesbians and trans, anyone or book that is woke which includes the Pentagon, CIA, FBI and NSA. In other words, a giant purge is needed. |
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18 Mar 23 - 12:01 AM (#4167858) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump is so close to indictment we can almost taste it. The folks at MSNBC are counting the possible places it could come from and watching to see who gets there first. Good. He has it coming. |
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18 Mar 23 - 05:53 AM (#4167867) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump is America's Khaddafi and his followers are the American Isis. I am not their keeper but as an American, I am their brother. Who I am to the Trumpists shouldn't be different, but is. To unite a dysfunctional family will be a tough lesson to learn znd will need specific situations and compassion for the duped and deluded. Just locking their champion up is not the full answer. |
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18 Mar 23 - 06:03 AM (#4167869) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel There will need to be an iconic visual that will lift us all or shame us all. Words are not enough. |
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18 Mar 23 - 06:21 AM (#4167870) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In my opinion the SDNY Stormy Danials case will be a reach to prosecute compared to the Georgia election interference case. The classified documents case has become diluted due to Biden and Pence documents. I hope these facts will intercede strategically over a lust for an indictment. |
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18 Mar 23 - 08:42 AM (#4167879) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS, TRUMP HAS POSTED COME TO MY ARREST ON TUESDAY AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK, IT WILL BE WILD!!!!!!!!!1 Perhaps the visual I was alluding to will be his mug shots and fingerprinting. I am guessing US Marshalls will have to take a plane down to Florida to take him into custody since I don't think he will turn himself in. This Trump post is a gambit and based on leaks and a threat of violence. |
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18 Mar 23 - 09:00 AM (#4167881) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In his post Trump blames a Jew George Soros for his impending arrest. I blame his one of the four times the Capitol was attacked. First by the British then the Civil War, 9-11 and Jan. 6th. Will US Marshalls have to go to FL? |
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18 Mar 23 - 10:52 AM (#4167885) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel He posted this crap from his golf course. |
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18 Mar 23 - 12:24 PM (#4167889) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage So he is overtly breaking the law again by calling for another riot or insurrection. The guy does. not. learn. from. his. mistakes. |
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18 Mar 23 - 12:46 PM (#4167890) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Technically he is calling for protests. Between March madness and doing a Trump protest, I think March Madness wins. McCarthy and Greene have posted their Trump fear and anger support. The DA has made no comment. Personally, I think the mixed metaphorical glove fits but it is a bridge too far above a river of tears.:^? |
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18 Mar 23 - 02:19 PM (#4167901) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In the upper echelons of government and decorum, it is being said that Trump has pulled this out of his ass. |
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18 Mar 23 - 02:50 PM (#4167902) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel It looks like Trump was just passing ammunition to Jim Jorden's House investigation regarding the Democrat's weaponization of the law with their investigation into the attack on the Capitol and law makers. Will there be a Senate investigation into the House Investigations of the 1st investigation's investigation? |
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18 Mar 23 - 03:20 PM (#4167905) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage When he again says "it will be wild!" he's signalling that riots and destruction are fine with him. |
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18 Mar 23 - 03:58 PM (#4167907) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Donuel and SRS, I do try to stay out of the politics of other countries, but Trump has unfortunately "trumped" my good intentions. I can't help thinking of the Anti-Christ, who generates a huge following but has nothing to offer but his own, huge self-serving intentions, cleverly shrouded in big words, duping the real people into following him into battle, believing it to be for the good of the nation and/or the world. I agree with you Donuel that there needs to be compassion for the duped and deluded, preceded by an opening of their minds to reality. |
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19 Mar 23 - 08:18 AM (#4167932) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The hard core true believer Nazix will not back down. In an almost organic process, the bank failures follow a process of multiple hive collapses of the money bees. |
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19 Mar 23 - 11:52 AM (#4167950) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Helen, I fear that the process of having eyes opened to the fraud that Trump has practiced will be painful to his followers. In the immediate future it doesn't feel like a passive process. His dense subalterns like Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, and other self-serving individuals won't want to give up their platform for attention and riches. |
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19 Mar 23 - 01:55 PM (#4167965) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen SRS, I agree. One of the scariest things I saw on ABC [American] News was a group of serious looking Christians standing around the back of Trump's chair in the White House, laying their hands on his shoulders and praying as if he were the new Messiah. |
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19 Mar 23 - 02:45 PM (#4167970) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Remarkable that that happened because he apparently doesn't like being touched. |
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19 Mar 23 - 02:57 PM (#4167972) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman ”…a group of serious looking Christians standing around the back of Trump's chair in the White House, laying their hands on his shoulders and praying as if he were the new Messiah.” Not so much the new Messiah, IMHO, more the Anti-Christ. |
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19 Mar 23 - 03:53 PM (#4167976) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Sorry Backwoodsman, I should have said "Messiah" and not just Messiah. I did say the Anti-Christ in my post at 18 Mar 23 - 03:58 PM. Also, I think it was on ABC News but it might have been PBS News. The Christians might not have actually been touching him. Maybe they were just holding their hands a little bit away from him, sending him the Christian energy to help him in his "mission" - whatever they thought THAT might be. I also keep thinking about how surprised a lot of his followers were when, a) they found out COVID was real and dangerous, and b) they found out that the attack on the Capitol was in fact a life-threatening attack. |
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19 Mar 23 - 03:54 PM (#4167977) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I told an ex CIA operative who was stationed in Uzbekistan that Bush was the anti christ. She said "just wait". |
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19 Mar 23 - 04:50 PM (#4167979) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen I did an internet search on: trump christians in the white house There were a lot of results. This is a long article but makes some interesting points: How the Christian Right Helped Foment Insurrection And here is the photo I mentioned earlier. with an interesting take on what some Christians believe about Trump and his intentions: photo |
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19 Mar 23 - 05:29 PM (#4167981) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman They are utterly, irreversibly barking mad, completely insane. As is Trump. |
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19 Mar 23 - 05:46 PM (#4167983) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Arrest warrant out for Putin. Trump looks to be at the end of his road. Just BoJo to complete the set. We can but hope... |
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19 Mar 23 - 05:51 PM (#4167984) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Even George Washington lamented the politically extreme Christians of his day. |
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19 Mar 23 - 06:08 PM (#4167987) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Gosh. I've been on here countless times grandstanding my militant atheism. I haven't got much time for Christianity or any other creed that people were accidentally born into and find it hard to escape from. But let's be careful here. The majority of people who I've lived with, were brought up with, who brought me up, worked with or otherwise encountered in multifarious ways have been Christians "to some degree" (discuss!). Most of them are decent people who have certain views I don't agree with and who don't agree with some of my views. Whatever Trump has done he has not done it in the name of Jesus, whatever he might claim. Neither have the sanctimonious bastards who support him "in the name of Jesus," whatever THEY might claim. Let's keep a sense of perspective. And come on, you genuine Christians, speak up and don't let these bloody charlatans get away with it. And we non-Christians too! |
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19 Mar 23 - 09:15 PM (#4167996) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There are countless memes out there that express opinions that reject religions that insist on dictating how other people think and act. Christianity in the US is becoming the American Taliban. If more moderate xtians can't convince their brethren to tone it down and take a few steps back, then they need to act, or reject outright the behavior - do something to regain their religion. Just like moderate GOP members have to contend with the lunatics in power right now. Trump is trying to control the event, to dictate how this story moves forward. His proclaiming that he will be arrested on Tuesday is trying to get in front of the story. But this one is carrying him along to parts unknown. |
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20 Mar 23 - 03:44 AM (#4168004) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Sandra in Sydney he has asked his supporters to protest on the day, & no doubt some will bring their 2nd Amendment rights along with them ... |
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20 Mar 23 - 07:57 AM (#4168024) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Hey, those are code words for guns and murder. ;^/ |
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20 Mar 23 - 08:49 AM (#4168030) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor If his loonies try anything in Manhattan, where drumpf has long been considered a pariah, there should be plenty of NY's finest there in riot gear to tamp down any protest that turns violent. |
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21 Mar 23 - 06:41 AM (#4168130) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel McConnell fell Wednesday after attending a reception for the Senate Leadership Fund, a super PAC that pumped $290 million into the 2022 election, followed by a private dinner at the Waldorf Astoria. Sources familiar with the evening described the dinner as a small private event. McConnell was taken to the hospital by ambulance after tripping and hitting his head and fracturing a rib.. McConnell fractured his shoulder after falling at his home in Kentucky in 2019 and triple bypass surgery in 2003. He is in a rehab center and not attending Congress. Marjorie Taylor Greene says she only gave Mitch a tiny slap on the back ;-/ |
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21 Mar 23 - 06:53 AM (#4168131) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Sounds like what we used to call a case of the Kentucky flu. |
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21 Mar 23 - 11:25 AM (#4168160) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I'm going to make a big bowl of popcorn. |
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21 Mar 23 - 07:53 PM (#4168214) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I think of all the political pundits and authors of Trump books and realize that they all miss the point and make arcane explanations of their own. One in Five Americans read at a third-grade level and half at the 6th-grade level. nuff said. |
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21 Mar 23 - 08:20 PM (#4168216) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel It turns out that the great Trump arrest leak was a trickle compared to the one he watched in Moscow. |
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21 Mar 23 - 09:34 PM (#4168218) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump is trying to manage the story, and by saying it would happen today, had a lot of people paying attention to him. My popcorn will keep, my Tupperware bowl has an airtight lid. |
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21 Mar 23 - 10:08 PM (#4168220) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Sandra in Sydney can't waste that popcorn! |
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21 Mar 23 - 10:58 PM (#4168223) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage It sounds like a race to the indictment - Jack Smith has an overnight deadline for some of the work he's doing (he's the special counsel on the stolen documents case.) So many possibilities! Perhaps it will be like watching a tennis match - back and forth between the players. |
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22 Mar 23 - 06:51 PM (#4168263) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In my crystal ball, I see some of the 3 upcoming indictments overlapping and Trump fundraising with the video of being fingerprinted and perp walked. As Rachel says "put a pin in it". Trump Documentaries in the future will have great soundtrack background music like Jailhouse Rock and tunes by Cash, Waites and others. |
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24 Mar 23 - 08:04 PM (#4168324) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The New York grand jury is pushing work until Monday. I heard today about a death threat and envelope of white powder sent to the Manhattan DA; not sure if this is part of the delay. |
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24 Mar 23 - 08:13 PM (#4168326) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump promises in text "Death and Destruction". He is such a Hitler wannabe. |
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25 Mar 23 - 04:48 AM (#4168352) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome I cannot find any recent source for that Donuel. Can you provide a link please? |
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25 Mar 23 - 06:45 AM (#4168359) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Doug Chadwick It is in today's Daily Telegraph. DC |
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25 Mar 23 - 07:31 AM (#4168363) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor He's stirring up the mob again- Huffpost death and destruction . Someone needs to grow a pair and prosecute this rabid dog. |
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25 Mar 23 - 09:35 AM (#4168384) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Got it - Thanks Doug and gillymore The man is a menace to the stability of the USA and the world in general. I said a long time back, possibly on this thread, that he is treating the presidency like a game. Someone should explain to him that it is not the WWE and he is not 'fighting' Vince MacMahon! |
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25 Mar 23 - 01:56 PM (#4168427) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The man is mentally ill. At the very least a sociopath. |
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25 Mar 23 - 06:26 PM (#4168458) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: keberoxu And now Trump has got a pastor in Waco, Texas, of all places, preaching that Trump is the Lord's Anointed and that he is going to bring about the Fall of the Babylon Deep State. THis from the New York Times. It's getting too weird for words now. |
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25 Mar 23 - 06:30 PM (#4168460) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen With all of his blatant threats to democracy and the institutions and people in the U.S., I don't understand why he isn't being charged with treason. |
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25 Mar 23 - 10:07 PM (#4168468) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage These things take time, apparently. I guess he flew over the top of all of the chaos in Mississippi after a horrible tornado, to talk shit in Texas. I hope most people know which is the more important story. |
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26 Mar 23 - 05:23 AM (#4168476) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I think that a very important story indeed is that Donald Trump is very likely to be your next president. |
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26 Mar 23 - 08:32 AM (#4168485) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel At his Waco Texas rally he celebrated the Jan 6th insurrection on a big screen and claimed the jailed insurrectionists were being mistreated in abhorrent cruel and unusual prison conditions. The prisoners are actually all issued tablets to post online and search the web. They have the independent option to sun bathe 5 hours a day. The food is better than Arbys. Visitation rules include daily visitation. It is a typical Club Fed facility for white collar criminals. |
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26 Mar 23 - 09:28 AM (#4168493) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome I sincerely hope you are wrong, Steve. Surely the majority of the US population would not fall for the same con trick twice would they? |
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26 Mar 23 - 10:13 AM (#4168497) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > Surely the majority of the US population would not fall for the same > con trick twice would they? Why not? the English re-elected the same shower, touting the same lies, three times running; and they look worrying likely to repeat the offence next time as well. But that's a rant for another thread. |
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26 Mar 23 - 10:54 AM (#4168500) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel While capitalism dismisses ethics routinely, most Americans are not outright criminals seeking the abandonment of the security of law enforcement. FYI: Waco Texas was the site where Koresh was a cult leader with machine guns and wanted for child molestation. After a 51-day siege by ATF and FBI, his compound burned to the ground claiming all but 9 lives. A couple of years later to the day the Oklahoma bombing occurred. |
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26 Mar 23 - 11:05 AM (#4168503) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The Waco date is significant in certain circles - sovereign citizen types who used to live in a secretive way now are out in the open. Jeff Guinn has a new book: Waco that looks back at the event. Guinn was a journalist for years at the local newspaper but now makes a good living as a deep research writer of nonfiction books. Google some of the interviews - he was on Fresh Air in the last few months talking about this. |
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26 Mar 23 - 01:16 PM (#4168514) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome True MaJoC but at least we are rid of liar in chief Johnson. For now at any rate! |
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26 Mar 23 - 04:46 PM (#4168533) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Monday gives the Grand Jury another opportunity to do the right thing. We hope we all know what that will be. |
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26 Mar 23 - 05:06 PM (#4168534) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Although both are narcissists, Citizen Kane was brought down by a sex scandal but not Trump. |
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26 Mar 23 - 05:08 PM (#4168535) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage A story just released from National Public Radio: It's not just Stormy Daniels. Here are ongoing criminal investigations Trump faces The New York Times has a list as well. I found a site called "Just Security" that catalogs his criminal and civil cases Litigation Tracker: Pending Criminal and Civil Cases Against Donald Trump. They started it in 2021 and keep updating it. |
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26 Mar 23 - 08:29 PM (#4168555) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel WOW The litigation tracker is great. |
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27 Mar 23 - 08:10 AM (#4168607) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Big Al you've asked this before, and I answered that fellow racists and bigots see Trump as their spokesperson. Number 2 Conspiracy groups are believers for anything and finally, half of Americans read at a 6th grade level. Trump puts his hand on his heart and stands at attention to the Qanon theme song. I expect to eventually see his new version of the American flag which will look like a hybrid of the confederate battle flag and the former South African flag. He would need another miracle like the November surprise) FBI Comey investigation of Hillary right before voting day, but bigger, since Trump has an amazing shrinking base. Isreal is shut down today because of protests against Netanyahu trying to abolish the judiciary. Democracies are messy and slow to respond but they do finally respond. |
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27 Mar 23 - 04:34 PM (#4168669) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage This little ditty, from Calvin Trillin about the Dubya administration, shows us how far to the right the GOP has moved since then: Our policies address the cares Of heiresses and millionaires. Our point of view reverberates With folks who live behind high gates And folks whose country clubs may lack A single Jew, a single black. We're backed by all the CEOs. We waive the regs that bring them woes. To comfort them is our intent. Yes, though we always represent The folks who sit in corporate boxes, The gratifying paradox is --- And this we love; it's just the neatest --- The other party's called elitist. If that was only what is wrong with them now. |
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27 Mar 23 - 05:13 PM (#4168676) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Another grade school mass shooter has killed kids and others. The twist is that the shooter was a she. |
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27 Mar 23 - 05:19 PM (#4168679) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel let us pray and praise first responders. Tenn. gov speaks |
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27 Mar 23 - 05:27 PM (#4168681) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel she had testicles and was pissed off by the new anti trans laws I suspect. |
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27 Mar 23 - 09:25 PM (#4168700) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The popular question is how many more. After Congress people lose their kids to mass shootings or Harvard and Yale have mass shootings some rich parents may lend a hand to save kids. I wonder if fentanyl or Tic Tok kill more kids than guns. |
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28 Mar 23 - 11:50 AM (#4168736) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Tennessee officials were quick to release the body cam videos from police to show that they weren't like the Texas police. The shooter was apparently suicidal and had told someone else s/he was going to die that day. More Grand Jury interviews this week; yesterday the former owner of the National Enquirer was interviewed. And in other hearings we learn that the former Chief of Staff and attorney have been ordered to testify, piercing the privilege protections they claimed. But it is so slow. The world seems to be heading to Hell in an Handbasket with all of the shit going on. Put Trump out of business and move forward to fix things. |
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28 Mar 23 - 04:39 PM (#4168757) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Helena Handbaskit will be subpeonaed. Mel Brooks has been pardoned after all. He just didn't open his mail for almost 2 years. or was it Mo Brooks? |
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28 Mar 23 - 05:45 PM (#4168762) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Sometimes I wonder if Roger Stone forged his own Presidential pardon. |
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28 Mar 23 - 06:58 PM (#4168766) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel (C) He's crazy, (A7) He's manic de(Dm)pressive (A7)and (Dm) angry He's (G7) crazy, paranoid, schizoid and (C) rude (C#dim ) and (Dm) violent (G7) They (C) gave him(A7) some kind of new medi(Dm)cation (A7) (Dm) And (G7) lately I think He's murderous (C) too. (F) (C) (C7) (F) He's so bat shit crazy(C) shady (C7) (C#7) And (D7) lately I'm wondering what he will do (G7) In (Dm) jail (G7) sue? Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and lieing de(Dm)pendent, (A7) (Dm) He's (F) angry ag(Em)gressive, com(Dm)pulsive, ob(A7)sessive And He's (Dm) crazy from (G7) catching (C) the (G7)flu (F) Worried? You bet your ass I get (C) worried (B) (C)(B)(C)(C#) Just (D7) wondering, wondering just what I should (G7) do (Dm) (G7) 'Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and despot de(Dm)pendant (A7) (Dm) He's (F) laughin' and (Em) lyin', patho(Dm)logically (A7) fryin' Cuz he's(Dm) crazy from (G7) Hong Kong (C) flu. |
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28 Mar 23 - 09:34 PM (#4168770) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There's a thread for that, Don! Isn't there? Songs about Trump? |
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29 Mar 23 - 05:20 AM (#4168781) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel A gelatinous Pense doesn't want to testify. |
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29 Mar 23 - 06:01 AM (#4168783) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Yes, but Donuel, Mike Pence may be afraid for his life after the threats at the Capitol riot. |
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29 Mar 23 - 06:19 AM (#4168785) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Here is a version worth passing along if you know where. C) He's crazy, (A7) He's manic de(Dm)pressive (A7)and (Dm) angry He's (G7) crazy, paranoid, schizoid and (C) rude (C#dim ) and (Dm) violent (G7) They (C) gave him(A7) some kind of new medi(Dm)cation (A7) (Dm) And (G7) lately I think he's murderous (C) too. (F) (C) (C7) (F) He's bat shit crazy(C) (C7) (C#7) And (D7) lately I wonder what he's going to do (G7) In (Dm) jail (G7) sue? Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and lieing de(Dm)pendent, (A7) (Dm) He's (F) angry ag(Em)gressive, com(Dm)pulsive, ob(A7)sessive He's long haul (Dm) crazy from (G7) knowing (C) he's(G7) through (F) Worried? You bet your ass I get (C) worried (B) (C)(B)(C)(C#) Just (D7) wondering, wondering just what I should (G7) do (Dm) (G7) 'Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and deeply de(Dm)pendant (A7) (Dm) He's (F) laughin' and (Em) lyin', patho(Dm)logically (A7) fryin' He so (Dm) crazy just like (G7) you know (C) who. |
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30 Mar 23 - 06:05 PM (#4168802) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Well Stilly, any news? :^/ |
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30 Mar 23 - 06:08 PM (#4168803) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Take Me To The Pilot Song by Elton John Can you feel that's real, I'm on trial And now I'm here in your prison Like a stone in your shoe I am charged with high treason Through my syes my throne Is now a danger zone Take me to the center for control Take me to the center of your soul Take me to the center Lead me through the chambers Take me to the center I am not a stranger Take me to the center Lead me through the chamber Take me to the center I am not a stranger Na-na-na, na-na-na Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na Na-na-na, na-na-na Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na Well, I knowt I'm not old as I'm told, I'm not a stupid virgin I am smart not dumb. What I'm told is never, never for certain Through my eyes, its my throne Its in the danger zone Take me to the center for control Take me to the center of your soul, yeah, yeah Let me out of prison Lead me through the chamber Take me to the White House I am not a stranger Take me to the White House Lead me through the gate house Take me to the White House I am not a stranger Na-na-na, na-na-na Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na Na-na-na, na-na-na Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na |
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30 Mar 23 - 06:37 PM (#4168808) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage On MSNBC last night Lawrence O'Donnell was talking about the breaks - apparently the Manhattan Grand Jury was scheduled to take a few weeks off and in April is that time. They won't meet again until maybe the third week of the month? |
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30 Mar 23 - 06:50 PM (#4168809) Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage NEVER MIND! They did it! Trump indicted by grand jury in Stormy Daniels hush money scheme |
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30 Mar 23 - 07:06 PM (#4168812) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Let's hope this opens the prosecutorial floodgates. |
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30 Mar 23 - 07:21 PM (#4168815) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel With the eventual number of charges which will most probably follow with more indictments, it will be as stressful for Donald as being drawn and quartered. God bless his McDonald-addled heart. |
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30 Mar 23 - 08:25 PM (#4168829) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Which Hunt will lock him up the longest? |
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31 Mar 23 - 05:10 AM (#4168840) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw This will strengthen him. You need an awful lot more. |
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31 Mar 23 - 06:23 AM (#4168843) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Thars money in them thar end dite mints. |
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31 Mar 23 - 06:38 AM (#4168844) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The indictment is still sealed but The Governor of Florida said he would not obey extradition laws. Republicans want to prosecute law itself, not Trump. |
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31 Mar 23 - 01:04 PM (#4168883) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Someone needs to do research into all of the conservative "think tanks" that spawn so many of the really stupid ideas coming out of state legislatures and the US Congress (GOP side of things.) It just gets stupider and stupider out there, and the three yahoos at the top, the Trump appointees to the Supreme Court, make it all possible because people figure they won't overturn this stuff. Meanwhile, Israel has riots because BeBe wants to take over the judiciary. Trump seems already to have done that. Now we need to riot to get the Supreme Court fixed. Add a couple of more justices or impeach Thomas and disqualify Kavanaugh. |
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31 Mar 23 - 06:44 PM (#4168902) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I would not interfere when someone is shooting themselves in the foot. Will Trump return to reality TV in the Apprehendice or comedy like Arrested Developer. |
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31 Mar 23 - 07:02 PM (#4168905) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Heritage house is an oldie but billionaires prefer more direct input with their own grassroots lobbying groups. Remember Citizens United? |
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31 Mar 23 - 11:08 PM (#4168917) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Rachel Maddow tonight talked about how Spiro Agnew (Richard Nixon's corrupt vice-president) was persuaded to step down from office and agree not to run for office again in exchange for the charges against him being set aside or diminished so he didn't have a trial or do time. HINT HINT - they could offer something like that to Trump. |
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01 Apr 23 - 12:33 AM (#4168920) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Yes, but Trumpty-Dumpty will say anything to anyone to get out of accusations, and then he'll turn around and do the opposite when it suits him. It might work if there were strong enough legal sanctions to throw at him if he goes back on his promise. I just watched a news item and there were literally only a few people protesting on his behalf outside Mar-a-Lago. A few thousand less than Trump would have hoped for. |
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01 Apr 23 - 02:04 PM (#4168970) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Right Helen, Trump calls the prosecutor and judge Filthy Mudbloods but soon we can call him number 623586. |
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01 Apr 23 - 02:57 PM (#4168974) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen It might not be soon, Donuel. I think the current indictment is the thin edge of the wedge, just a thorn in his side. The really pointy legal issues for him will come after this one. |
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01 Apr 23 - 03:21 PM (#4168977) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel While the wheels of justice grind slowly, I have seen recent expedited rulings by the court. A gradual strategy has some advantages. |
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01 Apr 23 - 03:37 PM (#4168980) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Something just popped into my head. Those scenes in movies where someone is in a room and suddenly, slowly, inevitably the walls start moving inwards with no escape route, threatening to crush the main character unless s/he can come up with a brilliant strategy to save her/his life. The hero in Hollywood lives to fight another day, due to the amazing magic of film and scriptwriters. Can an ex-TV star pull off the same stunt in real life? |
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02 Apr 23 - 08:37 AM (#4169028) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I'm so indicted He's gonna bite it I'm in a shi[ that tipped and I just can't right it. So it's decided I was...misguided? They know, they know, they know, they know, they know, they got you, they got you I'll get a lawyer, and I won't take chances They're gonna offer me some kind of deal Just plead exterminating circumstances Or maybe like Cohen, I will squeal Right now I'm freakin', leakin' Right into my trousers If I tattle, that'll Lead to both of you Don't go down that trail I'm too old for jail Don't be short-sighted Then help me fight it Well, if we have a good excuse, hey, I think they'll buy it Hey, let's all try it... I am not a crook I did not have sexual relations with that woman, the Biden, Soros Mission accomplished shit |
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04 Apr 23 - 05:34 AM (#4169205) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw From Simon Jenkins in today's Guardian: ...Most observers had reached the view that Trump the politician was over the hill. His rallies were tired and his speeches meandering. New Republican hopefuls for 2024 were on the horizon, notably Florida’s Ron DeSantis and former vice-president Mike Pence, both of whom have publicly criticised Trump for refusing to concede the 2020 election. Continued reports of his many misdemeanours would surely lead Republicans to accept his days were over. Legal analysis of this week’s case against Trump suggests there are serious obstacles in the way of his ending up in prison. A law professor and former prosecutor, Jeffrey Bellin, has pointed out that falsifying accounts can have numerous mitigating factors. Any judge and jury, even in New York, will be aware of the political perils of jailing an ex-president, not least for crimes ostensibly less awful than those for which President Nixon was excused. Were Trump to be on trial for interfering in the Georgia poll or inciting a riotous assault on the Capitol, it might be different. But Republicans find it hard to disagree with Trump’s claim that the New York case is a witch-hunt that amounts to “political persecution and electoral interference”. Meanwhile, Trump’s team have treated the indictment as the best adrenaline boost a populist could ask for. It has given them a platform, an enemy and a cause... Unless he's found guilty, and unless the ensuing sentence is outrageously harsh (very unlikely), this will strengthen him. I can also see the risk of charging him with either of the other two offences mentioned, as it could be hard to make 'em stick, but this one seems even riskier to me. |
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04 Apr 23 - 06:39 AM (#4169213) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome I can see it opening the floodgates for other indictments but, even though it is hard to believe, I have been wrong before :-) |
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04 Apr 23 - 07:22 AM (#4169215) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Attila the Stockbroker on FarceBook today - seems very much on-point…. ”Tomorrow is a crucial day for the United States of America. For historians - and I have been a student of the period ever since I first started collecting American Civil War cards at primary school in the mid Sixties - I’d say we’re back at one minute to seven, or 18:59. Just before the Harpers Ferry raid. The fault lines are as vivid now as they were then, and that is terrifying. I don’t do sensationalism or hyperbole. This is a moment in history. It’s 1859. It’s 1933. There’s no getting away from it. The actual ‘proper’ Republican Party is backing Donald Trump in this initial, relatively minor indictment (by his standards, not legal ones) despite the fact he has a huge string to follow, starting with his criminal claim that the last election was stolen and his incitement to riot at the Capitol on January 6th. And Trump has published a composite picture of himself waving a baseball bat next to Manhattan district attourney Alvin Bragg who will be prosecuting the case. Just think about that. As someone who has never sought out violence but has stood up to fascist intimidation and thuggery all my life, all I can say is: in the name of Thomas Paine, America, do something about this before it is too late. Evil will triumph if good men do nothing.” |
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04 Apr 23 - 07:40 AM (#4169216) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel An Englishman named Burke said, "Evil will triumph if good men do nothing". We have been doing something for 50 years. If there had been no Martin Luther King however we would not have 2 black District Attornies indicting Trump. Trump is like an old profane tattoo on the body politic. Donald will leave a trace whether we remove it by laser or try to cover it up. |
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04 Apr 23 - 09:19 AM (#4169227) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Good analogy, Don. That spot where the tattoo is removed should serve as a warning. The talking heads consider this indictment to be the lesser charge - the weakest case against Trump. The stolen documents charge is sounding very strong with new revelations about interviews with his staff. Seems he looked through the documents before returning some and his staff brought them to him. Then he lied and said they'll all been returned. In Georgia - well, it's a good case, but it has a couple of strikes against it. A new state law in which the Republican legislature wants to remove prosecutors who get too close to the GOP, for one. That will present some issues, possibly need a side trip to the Supreme Court. For those who have watched the "Teflon" effect over his whole life, this is a day of reckoning. No matter how it plays out, it is Karma, Illustrated. |
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04 Apr 23 - 09:33 AM (#4169231) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Thanks, it was an original analogy. The scar will be ugly. You are right that the other possible indictments will probably extend well beyond the next Presidental election. By law Trump is presumed innocent but his recent remarks amount to clip and save confessions. |
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04 Apr 23 - 04:40 PM (#4169254) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen I just briefly watched some news coverage of Trump on his way back to the airport and then Alvin Bragg's media statement. One of the ABC (Oz) news reporters said something about Trump making derogatory remarks on social media (maybe) about Mr Bragg's daughter, I think. It was a brief statement in the middle of other commentary so I'm not sure of the details. In the same segment they mentioned the photo which Trump posted of himself holding a baseball bat next to a photo of Mr Bragg . Listening to Mr Bragg's comments about the nature of the charges, I am beginning to think that this is not just a minor case against Trump. There are some serious charges and as Mr Bragg said, no one is above the law regardless of how much money or power they have. I sincerely hope he is right. |
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04 Apr 23 - 06:03 PM (#4169264) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump has been saying things about Bragg's wife. I haven't gone looking for them, but that's a classic move from the Trump playbook. It was slow moving today, and they won't be back in court again until December, with the trial starting in January. But by then Trump will have several other indictments and civil suits to deal with. This month has a Trump court case each week in different jurisdictions. |
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04 Apr 23 - 07:41 PM (#4169271) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen SRS said, "This month has a Trump court case each week in different jurisdictions." So what we need is a Trump Legal Advent Calendar with little reveal windows to be opened on the date of each new legal event. Fun! :-D |
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04 Apr 23 - 09:10 PM (#4169272) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Helen, I'm copying this from one of my posts a couple of weeks ago: I found a site called "Just Security" that catalogs his criminal and civil cases Litigation Tracker: Pending Criminal and Civil Cases Against Donald Trump. They started it in 2021 and keep updating it. That lets you see all of the cases. The list is quite long. |
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04 Apr 23 - 11:18 PM (#4169275) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen The longer the list, the better it is, in my opinion. I didn't listen to his ramblings today but I'm hoping he gave the prosecution some juicy leads for their case. |
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05 Apr 23 - 12:10 AM (#4169277) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage MSNBC played a clip of him telling one of the FAUX NEWS folks this week something along the lines of "I can keep some stuff" that had to do with gifts to the President (that have to be declared and turned over to the National Archives or the State Department, along those lines) unless it is worth under a modest amount (maybe $400?). |
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05 Apr 23 - 04:08 AM (#4169282) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome How many criminals use the line 'It wasn't me, I have been fitted up'? How many people believe them? How many Trump supporters believe him? I think they are a different species of human! |
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05 Apr 23 - 04:24 AM (#4169284) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Rain Dog The vast majority of people who go on trial plead not guilty. Not all of them are convicted. |
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05 Apr 23 - 05:13 AM (#4169285) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > How many criminals use the line 'It wasn't me, I have been fitted up'? Traditional aside: He may not have been guilty of this particular crime, but innocent? *him*? |
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05 Apr 23 - 06:43 AM (#4169289) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel As a man of the people, Trump does not deny paying $130,000 in hush money to sex workers. Who hasn't ?? If everybody does it all the time, how can it be a crime? Especially when we are running for office. The whole idea of hush money is to keep it quiet so of course, you cover it up and falsify business records. I bet everyone here would gladly take hush money. It may be a serious crime to pay hush money to prosecutors and judges so they are probably just jealous. HUSH MONEY RECIPIENTS UNITE! we can all use the extra $. {:-) Today is National walking day. I bet he walks. |
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05 Apr 23 - 11:56 AM (#4169308) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I forgot I saved this link. National Public Radio updates it regularly. The Jan. 6 attack: The cases behind the biggest criminal investigation in U.S. history An overview of the cases so far
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05 Apr 23 - 01:15 PM (#4169315) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Forget Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen — this is who could seal Trump’s fate from RawStory. Cohen eventually pleaded guilty to campaign finance charges stemming from his involvement in the payments to Daniels and was sentenced to three years in prison. |
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05 Apr 23 - 04:52 PM (#4169329) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The quality of the remaining Trump lawyers has hit rock bottom. The lawyers say his comments about the judge and his wife being butt faced are opinions and not facts. Technically the DA is in fact an animal, a mammal to be exact. The statute of limitation argument failed and now they are claiming Trump is too old to be a boner doner and too cheap to pay hush money. |
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05 Apr 23 - 05:00 PM (#4169330) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen An interesting article on ABC (Oz) News: Donald Trump's criminal case carries huge risks — and not just for the former president |
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06 Apr 23 - 07:58 AM (#4169367) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel He's back in Mara Legal but he has been advised by the judge to not make violent pleas to his cult. Even so his calls to protest have gone unanswered. |
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06 Apr 23 - 08:09 AM (#4169370) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel With a small donation you too can protect the Golden Calf against the evil baby eating NYC and porn stars! |
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06 Apr 23 - 08:20 AM (#4169371) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The idolized Wolf of Main Sreet needs your money to afford his trophy; wives, golf courses and golden towers. Make Assholes Great Again. |
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07 Apr 23 - 08:20 AM (#4169434) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The absurd support of Trumpism need not go as far as Germany's final solution and Holocaust. But it could. The pendulum of societal norms can get small incremental pushes from victimization and hate politics. Given enough pushes the pendulum can go so far right that it goes up and all the way around full circle. Decency and goodness are not automatic safeguards to stop the pendulum from spinning all the way around. Decency is fragile. Goodness and love are an aroma while hate is incendiary. In this time when three major religions are preaching self-reflection, and that God's love is supremely powerful, they are only hopes of faith. Daily good deeds and condemnation of evil are both required to create change. |
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07 Apr 23 - 09:14 AM (#4169438) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The fascist GOP or as I call it the 'Shut the F up party', Is going ramming speed at gagging any speech about history, gender, racism, and rights. Seeing, hearing, and speaking are under attack. Books, representatives, and education are in their sights to eliminate opposition to their extreme agenda. |
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07 Apr 23 - 11:47 AM (#4169447) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage From New Yorker humorist Andy Borowitz, Melania Sends Thoughts and Prayers PALM BEACH (The Borowitz Report)—As Donald J. Trump became the first former President in U.S. history to be arraigned, his wife, Melania, marked the occasion by sending thoughts and prayers. (Another saying lifted from Michelle Obama, for those across the pond who might not catch the plagiarism reference.) |
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07 Apr 23 - 04:19 PM (#4169453) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Does the extinction act apply to the orange albatross? |
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08 Apr 23 - 10:53 AM (#4169478) Subject: RE: BS: Joke thread for 2023 From: Donuel What does Melania see in her husband? A truckload of documents worth money, high cholesterol and Covid-19 ? Thoughts and prayers are with Covid-19 for having to hang out with Trump. ? What is Trump's favourite TV series? Orange is The New Black What is the fastest way to get Trump to change a light bulb? Tell him Obama installed it. ? Last night there was an accident and Trump's personal library burnt down. This is a huge catastrophe because BOTH of his books were lost, and he had only coloured in one of them so far. ? Why is Trump unable to be hanged for treason? Fake noose. ? What condition does Trump take his anti-anxiety medication for? Hispanic attacks. ? Why did Trump get absolutely soaked when he was travelling down the river? Fake canoes ? How much does it cost to keep Donald Trump alive? One Pence. ? What's the difference between a chickpea and a kidney bean? Donald Trump has never paid more to have a kidney bean on his face. ??? Why do Republicans continue to support Trump? Because they really believe in taking a baby to full term ? ? How does Donald Trump play darts? He throws darts and then proceeds to draw the targets around them afterwards. At a very important large gathering, the Pope whispers to Donald Trump "I bet you $100 that with one wave of my hand I can make the crowd go ecstatic. It will be a celebration like you have never seen before Mr Trump". Trump replies "I don't think so, one wave of your hand? I will be more than happy to take your $100. Now Show me!" The Pope proceeds to slap him and the crowd goes bananas! ? "Did your hear how Trump responded when he was questioned about how to deal with Hurricane Florence ?" "Pay her the same as Stormy Daniels!" ? Abraham Lincoln couldn't tell a lie. Richard Nixon couldn't tell the truth. Donald Trump can't tell the difference. ? Why should you never cross Trump? There is hell toupee ? Racial minorities can play the race card, females can play the equal opportunity card, what can redneck trailer trash folk play? The Trump card. ? What is Trump's secret agenda? To "Make America Hate Again ? Why does Trump like to be seen in public with his wife Melania? Because all of his other wives support Joe Biden. ? What was Trump's biggest challenge when he was elected President? Finding a cabinet position for his hair piece. ? What is the song "Kokomo" by The Beach Boys about? The various locations of Trump's bank accounts. ? How does Trump plan of getting rid of the Mexican's in America? Juan by Juan. ? What did the Redneck community of America say to Trump? You are hired. ? What did Trump say when he heard a Mexican man wanted to be an American Fireman? No way Hose A. ? What do you see when you look deep into the eyes of Donald Trump? The back of his skull. ? Which Disney character loves Trump the most? Snow White Supremacist. ? Why does Trump always store a potato in his underpants? He wants to be USA's first dictator. ? What is Trump's favorite nation of all? Discrimination. ? If Trump had sense of humour, he would die of laughter every time he looked in the mirror. ? Trump Knock Knock Jokes ? Knock Knock Who is there? Ray Ray who? Ray Sist, but my buddies call me Donald Trump ? Knock knock Who is there? No way Jose. No way Jose who? No way Jose is climbing over my wall ? Longer Donald Trump Jokes ? Trump gets up one morning, he heads out to his backyard and starts collecting various random stones... He holds up a stone, and he inspects it all over, he then throws the stone back in the garden and then proceeds to go and find another one. This continues for a few days until his fellow cabinet members start to get nervous. Pence decides to give Putin a phone call to see if he is able to help them out. "Hey Vlad! Mike Pence here. We have a little bit of a problem here..." He tells Putin what is going on who says "rest easy Mike, I will look into this for you". Ten minutes later Putin calls Mike Pence back. "He should return to normal now. We accidentally sent him our latest Lunar Lander instructions." ? A group of Scientists are running an experiment on the human brain. They are trying to figure out how well a human brain can function when it is missing various sections. They start off by cutting out half of the first subjects brain and then ask him to count to 10. The subject replies "one, five, seven, ten". The scientists are intrigued by this. They decide to cut out the entire brain this time and once again ask the subject to count to ten. the subject replies "I can count to ten, I'm the best at counting in the world, I have the best numbers, the news is fake when they disagree with me, I think, people, when they think about good numbers, I can count, with any numbers, all the time, better than China, better than anyone." ? Trump is out for dinner at a French restaurant with Putin. The waiter asks Putin what he would like to order. "I will have the chicken," says Putin. The waiter replies, "And for your vegetable?" McDonalds Funny Jokes Made By Donald Trump, Intentionally And Unintentionally ? ? "It's freezing and snowing in New York, we need global warming" ? Trump likes to tweet about the weather and global warming. Apparently we need global warming!? ? "she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her" - USA Today ? It is a shame that Ivanka is Trump's daughter, otherwise he could date her. ? "I look very much forward to showing my financials. Because they are huge" - TIME ? Huge financials? Unsure what this means exactly but Trumps financials are huge! I am guessing over 1000 pages or even more. ? "Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?" - Washington Post ? There is nothing worse than having people from shithole countries come to visit. Unsure what constitutes a shithole country but Trump sure isn't a fan of them. ? Trump's thoughts on using a breast pump for breastfeeding "disgusting" - Mercury News ? Well, it isn't exactly sexy but pretty sure that feeding your baby is far from "disgusting"? ? “If Hillary Clinton can’t satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?” - CBS ? Apparently you have to have the Karma Sutra down pat before you can do a good job at being president of the USA. You learn something new every day. ? "I think apologizing's a great thing, but you have to be wrong. I will absolutely apologize sometime, hopefully in the distant future, if I'm ever wrong" - CBS ? Trump hasn't been wrong yet, but he will let us all know if he is Geezus Keeerist! but that was a lot of scrolling. Much of it has been shortened - do us a favor and never space a post like that again. It was killing the thread! ---mudelf |
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08 Apr 23 - 03:25 PM (#4169493) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen I laughed out loud on the longer Putin joke: "He should return to normal now. We accidentally sent him our latest Lunar Lander instructions." And re: the "baby to full term" joke, lately I've been thinking about that Trump Baby balloon used by anti-Trumpers in London in 2018. Funny! |
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10 Apr 23 - 05:35 PM (#4169641) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: robomatic SNL last Saturday (8 April 23) had a very good opening with Trump commenting on the Last Supper. |
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12 Apr 23 - 06:07 AM (#4169727) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In his dramatic Trumatic way he described his experience of his arrest and court appearance. "people were crying, they were crying and said 24 sir 24...they said they were sorry for what they had to ask me to do and court was like a jail"... |
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12 Apr 23 - 07:45 PM (#4169784) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In a related matter, HBO killed Rupert Murdoch in effigy by giving a heart attack to the Rupert character in the series Succession. Also his latest wife has left him and the judge is pissed at him for withholding evidence in the Dominion case. |
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13 Apr 23 - 08:00 AM (#4169822) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel HERE WE GO AGAIN - Russian and Chinese bots amplify Trump's arrest. About half a million bots supported Trump when actually only 26,000 actual posts did. PBS |
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14 Apr 23 - 10:52 AM (#4169906) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump was on the stand for eight hours yesterday answering questions in the New York/ AG Letitia James lawsuit. He can't take the Fifth Amendment excuse for not answering questions because the jury is allowed to know about it and infer that he would be hiding his guilt. So apparently he talked quite a lot. Hopefully he dug his own legal grave with what he said. Trump appeared for deposition in high-stakes civil lawsuit threatening the fate of his business empire (I was thinking this was the E. Jean Carroll rape civil lawsuit, but that is NEXT week.) And in other news of the truly undeserving in Congress, Marjorie Taylor Green is defending the idiot who leaked all sorts of classified documents to impress his video gaming and gun collecting buddies. I wonder if that was also an incel cell. |
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14 Apr 23 - 04:40 PM (#4169932) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen SRS, I am predicting that this will be on his gravestone, "He dug his own legal grave with what he said". And Marjorie Taylor Green? Just when I thought I couldn't be more surprised about U.S. politicians. No way! (Although I have to say that one of our Oz politicians is amazing me at present with his stony-faced, audacious, prejudiced, spin-doctor rubbish, so I shouldn't be surprised.) LOL |
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14 Apr 23 - 05:11 PM (#4169934) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There's a group in the GOP who push back at anything they think is supported by Democrats without rational thought as to what they they are appearing to support. They're toddlers in an adult game. |
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14 Apr 23 - 05:32 PM (#4169936) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Yes, that sounds similar to some of our politicians here. Reminds me of that old saying: Don't Vote , it Just Encourages the Bastards |
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14 Apr 23 - 06:20 PM (#4169940) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage P.J. O'Rourke was an example of a well-adapted Republican. We knew his political views but he didn't hold other people's politics against them. I just pulled up his Wikipedia page. They have a quote from him: In 2016, he endorsed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. O'Rourke stated that his endorsement included her "lies and empty promises" and added "She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters". |
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14 Apr 23 - 06:45 PM (#4169942) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I don't hold with the concept of compulsory voting at all, but we should always vote. I've just voted in our trade union elections for a new deputy general secretary (a couple of months ago it was for a new general secretary). It's all done by post, the union tries very hard to let us know what the candidates are like and what they stand for, but the turnout is always abysmally low. Low turnouts are not only a blight on the democracy that we're still allowed to have (watch out...) but they also give our political enemies grist to the mill. I always scrutinise the candidates' election statements with a fine-tooth comb and try to pick out the real lefties who I can vote for. This month I can "celebrate" my 50-year membership of the NUT/NEU (our main teachers' union). As a retired member I can still vote for our leaders but can't get involved in decisions about industrial action (and my fees are a lot lower!) Our system in democratic countries means that we elect politicians who are forced to appeal to us for their votes, and we do not appoint instead faceless bureaucrats. We do need people to run the country and, with a million caveats, we have to cut them some slack. But the keynote of democracy is that we able also to ruthlessly hold them to account. If you haven't voted, you lose the moral right to do that (though who knows whether you've voted or not...) So I think we should always vote, even it it means holding our noses. |
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14 Apr 23 - 07:02 PM (#4169943) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen It's a humorous book. Voting is compulsory for all adults in Australia and I think we have more politician accountability here than in the U.S. because everyone votes. Politicians don't have to encourage people to vote, or play sneaky games with the people who do or don't vote for them. Everyone votes. |
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14 Apr 23 - 09:12 PM (#4169951) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Well yes, but whether that means that democracy is better served is moot. You're forced to vote but you can spoil your ballot or, worse, vote for an idiot just to avoid penalty. Whilst I'm a member of the state, the state doesn't own me. There are many reasons why I might not want to vote, and, in a democracy, I should not have to admit to them. |
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14 Apr 23 - 09:21 PM (#4169953) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel P.J. was a colorful character as entertaining as Will Rogers. Truth is funny. |
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16 Apr 23 - 07:41 AM (#4170029) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Compulsory voting is a great idea for DEMOCRACY but anathema for a deplorable minority. |
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16 Apr 23 - 08:00 AM (#4170031) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Think again. Compulsory voting means that people who haven't got the slightest interest in politics may go and vote randomly just to stay within the law, a very bad reason for making choices. Worse, they may be persuaded/manipulated into voting for bad people as their ignorance will put up little resistance to such devious practices. I can't see how a vote cast for someone you know nothing about, or about whom you've been misled, can possibly serve democracy. Far better to use publicity to persuade people to vote, to ensure that maximum honest information about candidates is readily available and, most importantly, to radically improve political education in schools. Round here we have mostly "independent" local councillors. It can be difficult from what little information is available to decide where they stand, and the fact that they profess no party allegiance makes choice even more difficult. I've found myself on rare occasions unable to make realistic choices so haven't voted. My principles dictate that I always vote, but an even stronger principle is that it's unsafe to vote in ignorance. |
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16 Apr 23 - 08:05 AM (#4170032) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw By the way, there's nothing deplorable about having a measured view just because it doesn't chime with yours. Your history is that many of your views are at best shaky and at worst uninformed. It is possible to discuss without auto-criticising. |
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16 Apr 23 - 11:05 AM (#4170049) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I'd like to see mandatory voting. People who don't want to vote may spoil their ballots, but I'd have to think that most people, once there, would express actual wishes at the ballot box. Next week (April 25) is the E. Jean Carroll trial that brings aspects of the first two week's of April's trials together. He tried to not testify, tried to dismiss this because he was president, and that didn't fly, it just waited until he was out of office. She has a From NBC: NEW YORK — A Washington, D.C., appeals court on Thursday refused to decide whether Donald Trump can be shielded from the first of two defamation lawsuits by E. Jean Carroll, a writer who alleges the former U.S. president raped her nearly three decades ago. Of course he tried to make it presidential, but the rape occurred back in his mogul days. But wait! There's more! From Reuters: Judge rejects Trump's bid to learn juror names at defamation trial Donald Trump will not learn the identities of jurors expected to decide at an upcoming civil trial whether the former president defamed the writer E. Jean Carroll, who also claims Trump raped her. His goose is cooked legally from so many directions. |
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16 Apr 23 - 01:20 PM (#4170056) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In a way, the issues of voting Steve rails against were a part of the Adams-Jefferson debates as well as in the Federalist Papers. A well-informed electorate is still getting straightened out regarding truthful national news. I speak of Dominion bringing a defamation case against Fox. They could have settled for big money but to their credit they wanted to make Fox accountable by trial to the entire country. |
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16 Apr 23 - 04:34 PM (#4170065) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Donuel said, "Compulsory voting is a great idea for DEMOCRACY but anathema for a deplorable minority". Meaning that some people in the minority of the population deplore compulsory voting. Steve, you have said that you vote or don't vote according to your evaluation of the candidates in each election. That's your choice. But some people deplore compulsory voting because they don't want the people who disagree with their views to vote at all. That is when the politicians and influencers, and especially Donald Trump, try to create inflated and untruthful statements about how unreliable the voting system is, or they try to discredit their opponents using dirty political tactics. |
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16 Apr 23 - 04:46 PM (#4170066) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > People who don't want to vote may spoil their ballots .... or (as rumour had it when I was young and gullible) they may tick the first box in the first column, the second in the second, and so on diagonally down the ballot paper till they ran out of columns to tick, just to be seen to Do Their Duty and be out of the polling booth. This was alleged to yield candidates being chosen for having names as early as possible in the alphabet. Or is someone about to say "Bazinga"? |
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16 Apr 23 - 05:46 PM (#4170068) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel My posts are abnormally short but are not gospel. When Steve's posts are not outright name-calling, in general, they are current or past paradigm friendly. I am in general for paradigm shifts. At least we offer voter registration along with motor vehicle licensing. Regarding more upcoming Trump indictments, the family should slip him some Xanex in his milkshake. |
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16 Apr 23 - 05:53 PM (#4170069) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Sorry, Helen, but you need to consult your dictionary about the meaning of "deplorable." It absolutely does not mean what you think it means. Once again please. I have not "railed against" anything. I've given you my point of view and I've put some arguments in favour of it. I've done a fair bit of reading on both sides of this debate. Most of the arguments I've read that are in favour of compulsory voting dwell on the potential equalisation of the rich (very much inclined to vote, and to vote right wing) and the more deprived (far less inclined to vote, and, if they do vote, inclined to vote more leftist). That's the theory, but there is very little research to back up that theory, apparently. On top of that, there's a distinct element in that of principle being ditched. I'd far sooner see much better political education, which, at its best, would encourage people to make informed decisions and, just as importantly, encourage them to vote. By the way, compulsory voting is a bit of a canard. What we really mean is compulsory turnout. You can't force people to actually vote unless you are in a regime which monitors every person's vote and none of us here live in such a regime. There are respectable arguments on both sides of this conversation. I nearly always vote, but I won't vote if, in spite of my researches, I can't glean enough about the candidates on offer. To do so would be undemocratic. |
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16 Apr 23 - 06:04 PM (#4170070) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen deplore transitive verb To feel or express strong disapproval of; condemn.To express sorrow or grief over.To regret; bemoan. deplorable adjective Worthy of severe condemnation or reproach.Lamentable; woeful.Wretched; bad. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition. |
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16 Apr 23 - 06:09 PM (#4170073) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen MaJoC, that's called the donkey vote here. One of the (many) actions of Trump and his minions which made me angry was his attempts to prevent pre-polling day voting. What I saw on ABC (U.S.) News was that the people who most needed to pre-poll vote were the ones who would be working at their jobs on polling day, and could not be away from their jobs to stand in line for hours waiting to place their vote. That would mainly affect people who could not afford to lose a day's pay, or even a few hour's pay and then would have to make the almost impossible choice of whether to vote or whether to put food on their table or a roof over their heads. |
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16 Apr 23 - 06:26 PM (#4170076) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Great that you educated yourself as to the meaning of that word, Helen. Well done. |
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16 Apr 23 - 07:03 PM (#4170077) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Rather than compulsory voting how about compulsory checks that the voters actually understand what they are voting for or against? |
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16 Apr 23 - 07:59 PM (#4170083) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Well that's it, innit, Dave. It's all very well forcing people to vote, ostensibly in the interests of democracy, but I'd far sooner employ strong persuasion coupled with bloody good political education. Actually, the practicalities are that the minority of democracies that have compulsory voting rarely sanction those who refuse to vote. The Aussies accept almost any excuse from non-voters. And anyway, it isn't really about compulsory voting at all. It's about forcing people to turn out. Once they're in that ballot box they can do what they like. The Aussies often crow about their compulsory voting. I'd love to hear from whatever fair-minded Aussies we have here whether their voting system has produced good governance... ;-) |
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16 Apr 23 - 08:22 PM (#4170088) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I mentioned that better minds have debated whether the unwashed public should be allowed to choose representation. Despite Trump's support by the unwashed deplorable public, I support voting for all. |
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17 Apr 23 - 02:46 AM (#4170101) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Rain Dog "Rather than compulsory voting how about compulsory checks that the voters actually understand what they are voting for or against?" I hope that you are not serious about that. Who would do the checking? How would you check it? |
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17 Apr 23 - 02:57 AM (#4170102) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Education, Rain Dog. Remember that RE used to be compulsory at schools. How about making a basic understanding of politics the same. With exams before you leave school and attain voting age. |
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17 Apr 23 - 02:59 AM (#4170103) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Oh, and a little more flippantly, no one objects to you having to pass a test to drive a car. Maybe voting tests should be compulsory before you get a licence to drive the country. |
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17 Apr 23 - 03:03 AM (#4170105) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Rain Dog How much of their RE education do you think the vast majority remember? Don't let the uneducated vote. Where have we heard that before? |
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17 Apr 23 - 03:53 AM (#4170113) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Straw man, Rain Dog. Nowhere have I said the uneducated should not vote. I did say that political education should be compulsory. However, this is a diversion from Trump so I am starting another thread on it. |
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17 Apr 23 - 12:52 PM (#4170170) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Thanks for spinning this off to a new thread, Dave. I agree, it's an important topic all on its own. Political education and voting. Meanwhile, the Dominion voting machine trial, a spinoff of the Trump Big Lie and his wacky attorneys (Powell and Giuliani), starts tomorrow. |
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17 Apr 23 - 03:46 PM (#4170184) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Mentioning those wacky attorneys always brings to my mind the images of both of them sweating and talking rubbish at the Four Seasons (landscaping) outdoor media conference. I was especially gobsmacked at the weird stuff Sidney Powell was saying. And I still LOL about the event being booked at a landscaping yard instead of the Four Seasons swanky hotel. |
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17 Apr 23 - 03:56 PM (#4170185) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Don't forget the adult bookstore in the background and the dark hair dye streaming down the face of "America's Mayor", Helen. Those must seem like the Halcyon Days to trump at this point. |
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17 Apr 23 - 04:16 PM (#4170188) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Charmion Dominion v Fox has been postponed for 24 hours. Is that the aroma of *settlement* I sniff on the wind? |
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17 Apr 23 - 04:53 PM (#4170192) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Oh yes! The dark hair dye. I forgot that. That media event certainly added to the impression of trustworthiness for them both. |
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17 Apr 23 - 06:43 PM (#4170207) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The Fox trial was delayed because Fox is trying to settle without a trial. If it goes to trial it would disincentivize Fox and other news orgs from lying. Lets hope for a trial. I wouldn't blame Dominion for settling for 15 billion. A bankrupt Fox would be nice. |
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18 Apr 23 - 07:53 AM (#4170252) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Donald and Adolf share more than a few things like the initial humorous reactions, fake news, make germany great again, and enemy of the state quotes. Adolf had a treason trial and a limited sentence that actually helped him. Time is on our side with Trump's extreme age even if briefly jailed. |
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18 Apr 23 - 02:59 PM (#4170284) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Georgia's fake electors are turning on each other in hopes of immunity. I don't think the DA knows the meaning of imminent. |
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18 Apr 23 - 04:13 PM (#4170293) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Latest news: The Dominion v. Fox trial has been halted. A settlement has been reached, with further details to follow. |
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18 Apr 23 - 04:47 PM (#4170299) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Fox News and Dominion Voting Systems resolve defamation lawsuit "Voting machine company Dominion Voting Systems and Fox News have reached a settlement in a high-profile defamation case in the United States. "A lawyer for Dominion said the case was settled for $US787.5 million ($AU1.17 billion)." .......... "The deal spares Fox the peril of having some of its best-known figures called to the witness stand and subjected to potentially withering questioning. "This would have ranged from executives including Rupert Murdoch, the 92-year-old media mogul who serves as Fox Corp chairman, and Fox CEO Suzanne Scott as well as on-air hosts including Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Jeanine Pirro." |
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20 Apr 23 - 05:21 PM (#4170380) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage In the rape trial coming up, The Daily Beast reports that the judge told Donald he doesn't have to be there, but he won't make a lame excuse for his absence. Trump’s lawyers wanted the jurors, who will decide if Trump really did rape the journalist E. Jean Carroll in the 1990s, to hear that Trump would love to be there but cannot right now because it’s just too burdensome on New York City. They asked U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan to issue a formal excuse, but the judge instead signed an order that says the opposite: Trump is very much welcome to show up and can’t complain about alleged insufficient security because it’s actually a highly guarded federal courthouse. After glancing at Trump’s campaign website and noticing that he has a campaign event in New Hampshire scheduled on what will be Day 3 of the rape trial, Kaplan wrote: “If the Secret Service can protect him at that event, certainly the Secret Service, the Marshals Service, and the City of New York can see to his security in this very secure federal courthouse.” |
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20 Apr 23 - 05:24 PM (#4170381) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage And Trump's supporters in the House of Representatives are trying to sideline the Manhattan prosecutor: PBS story with a 7 minute video of the report. |
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21 Apr 23 - 06:45 AM (#4170407) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel When Fox wants to be disreputable in the future they may have to pay another tax-deductible fine. Big Deal, they may want to settle earlier next time. |
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21 Apr 23 - 11:46 AM (#4170440) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw According to what we are reading this end, DeSantis is doomed. His ratings are biting the dust. That leaves Trump as the only realistic nominee. |
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21 Apr 23 - 10:23 PM (#4170467) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage At this point, Mitt Romney sounds like a totally rational choice - he was a Democrat when as governor of Massachusetts they became the first state to provide health care for all citizens. He changed parties, eventually ran for GOP senator from Utah, and voted to impeach Trump, so his good name is dust. Obama beat him handily, but that was the last time we had loyal opposition in a presidential race. Now it's the lunatic fringe. |
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21 Apr 23 - 10:46 PM (#4170471) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I liked Mitt's dad better than Mitt. |
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22 Apr 23 - 01:09 AM (#4170472) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Twitter as a formerly fairly reliable media source has to be kicking itself up one side and down the other for insisting that Elon Musk go ahead and buy them. Someone made money out of that, but everyone else lost. Impersonators Run Wild on Twitter Thanks to Sabotaged Verification System Now that the legacy blue checks are gone, users are free to pose as celebrities and government agencies This is another iteration of the Pandora's Box that the Trump presidency opened up. Bad behavior and no consequences for the rich guy who is running Twitter into the ground as fast as he can and leaving a lot of people vulnerable in the process. |
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22 Apr 23 - 01:19 PM (#4170521) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel AI bots will make people more reliably vulnerable. In a house that last year's flood smells just like a mangy animal A man with a gun watching Fox waits for a trespass like a cannibal The fearful gun lust burns with the video loops of crime on his TVs When an unknown car turns into his driveway his handy gun pleases BANG BANG he fires two blind shots into the car as it squeals away What he can not see is the girl in the back seat turn an ashen grey As he finally turns around He says "I stood my ground" |
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22 Apr 23 - 01:29 PM (#4170526) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I believe Rupert Murdoch aided and abetted the killer but he would never be charged. |
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24 Apr 23 - 04:18 PM (#4170736) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Next up at bat: E. Jean Carroll 1.0: Defamation and Federal Tort Claims Act Litigation Carroll is suing Trump for defamation after he publicly accused her, in June 2019, of fabricating a rape allegation against him. There was a whole lot of fighting about suing a sitting president and now there are two lawsuits by Ms. Carroll. We can start sorting it out tomorrow. Trump's rape trial brought by E. Jean Carroll starts Tuesday in Manhattan. The case centers around accusations from the 1990s Get your popcorn ready! |
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24 Apr 23 - 06:41 PM (#4170751) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Meanwhile, back at the Fox ranch: Tucker Carlson , the most popular host at Fox News, parts ways with the network "Key points: - The break comes less than a week after Fox agreed to pay $1.2 billion to settle a lawsuit with Dominion Voting Systems - Carlson was also named in another lawsuit by a former Fox producer - An expert says that the sudden ouster will have profound consequences for Fox News, TV news and the Republican Party" |
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24 Apr 23 - 06:54 PM (#4170754) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Fox commentator Tucker CARLSON was fired by Murdoch. Tucker was a stupid person's idea of what a smart bigot looks like and a Rush Limbaugh wannabe. |
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24 Apr 23 - 07:48 PM (#4170760) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie FOX agreed to pay $787.5m, not the $1.6b Dominion sued for. |
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24 Apr 23 - 08:01 PM (#4170762) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Ebbie, sorry, you are right. The article I linked to is from an Australian news site and they keep quoting the Australian dollar equivalent which is confusing. I think they should put $AU before the amount to avoid confusion. |
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25 Apr 23 - 09:32 AM (#4170801) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel A reason why Carlson was the most racist personality on cable news is that he and his staff lifted much of their content from 4 Chan and later 8 Chan which are Neo-Nazi websites. He might fade away or he might form a media business like Glen Beck or Alex Jones. |
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25 Apr 23 - 11:45 AM (#4170815) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Another Woman Comes Forward with Story of Donald Trump Forcibly Trying to Kiss Her His defense is always "look at her" - not up to his standards to rape. |
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25 Apr 23 - 02:17 PM (#4170826) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Donald Trump Is Going on Trial for Rape What to know about E. Jean Carroll’s lawsuit. |
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25 Apr 23 - 03:37 PM (#4170833) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Rupert Murdoch, Donald Trump, and Alex Jones walk into a bar. Three billion dollars fly out the door. |
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27 Apr 23 - 08:20 PM (#4170977) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Some say Trump has 9 lives or 9 Horcrux. I think he is running through them pretty fast. |
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28 Apr 23 - 09:27 AM (#4171002) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Sports betting is facing a windfall in 2024. WHO WILL DIE FIRST? Place your bets! Diet, blood pressure, and activity will figure prominately in this election. The simple act of trying to outdo their opponent could be a death knell for both in this sport where seconds count... Its a countdown to death for their very last breath. Niki Halley has already placed her bet. |
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28 Apr 23 - 02:27 PM (#4171016) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There’s a Remarkable Piece of Evidence in the E. Jean Carroll Trial It’s the smoking gun of Donald Trump’s treatment of women. His pussy grabbing admission is finally going to do some damage, hopefully. |
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28 Apr 23 - 04:46 PM (#4171026) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Thanks for the link to that article, SRS. It raises a lot of good points. I have been thinking that E. Jean Carroll would have very little concrete evidence to offer in her case, but *everyone* saw the Access Hollywood clip, even if some of them made lame excuses at the time for Trump's statement. |
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28 Apr 23 - 10:15 PM (#4171048) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage She told people at the time, but if she wasn't going to act, I can see that after all of this time the exact date is forgotten. Unless something turns up to trigger that memory (and who knows - perhaps someone will come up with something in a journal or note. This is event was pre-email for most people, so it would probably be on paper somewhere.) |
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28 Apr 23 - 10:26 PM (#4171049) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The date is not important. Her testimony is credulous and realistic. |
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28 Apr 23 - 10:41 PM (#4171050) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There are many important events in my past lives in different jobs that I can place by location and with people involved, but I have to stop to think which year was it within a range of two or three years if I worked in a place for a while. |
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29 Apr 23 - 12:51 PM (#4171107) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I know its the subplot of all the Terminator movies but lately, I have been wondering how long it will take a Presidential candidate to have a secret AI advisor. Once that Rubicon is crossed, a running mate or even an immortal AI president could be considered. In the meantime, we have a close MONUMENTAL absurd choice AGAIN. |
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29 Apr 23 - 04:05 PM (#4171118) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > a secret AI advisor Given that the ChatGPTs have a known tendency to tell plausible lies with total confidence (it's called "hallucination" in the trade), methinks Agent Orange would have one in an instant, either as an advisor or as a running mate, and watch the commentators play Spot The Difference. |
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29 Apr 23 - 04:30 PM (#4171119) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Yes, but no, MaJoC! Agent Orange has always had an AI generator implanted in his brain. We just didn't realise it until ChatGPTs were revealed. LOL |
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29 Apr 23 - 11:54 PM (#4171146) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Next question: What is his attitude to Mondays? |
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30 Apr 23 - 12:29 AM (#4171148) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Is the correct answer, he doesn't like them? |
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01 May 23 - 12:17 AM (#4171198) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie Referring to 28 April, 10:26 PM Credulous: having or showing too great a readiness to believe things. Credible: convincing, able to be believed I realize that pointing out glaring errors is on the persnickety side but I still am compelled to do it if only for the very few who use words and their meanings wrongly. Words matter. |
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01 May 23 - 07:20 AM (#4171214) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel i have a hard time calling Qanon, the proud boys and insurrectionists credulous. ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE CORRECT. THE TESTIMONY OF THE RAPE VICTIM IS CREDIBLE. |
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01 May 23 - 07:35 AM (#4171215) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor good recovery |
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01 May 23 - 07:40 AM (#4171216) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw In the context it was used, the word should have been "credible." I'm fully with Ebbie on this sort of thing. |
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01 May 23 - 09:07 AM (#4171220) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel lf you all will shut your trap, I will tell you 'bout a chap, That was broke and up against it too, for fair; He was not the kind to shirk, He was looking hard for work, But he heard the same old story everywhere. (CHORUS:) Trump, trump, trump, keep on a-trumping, Nothing doing here for you; If I catch you 'round again, You will wear the ball and chain, Keep on trumping, that's the best thing you can do. He walked up and down the street, Till the shoes fell off his feet. In a house he spied a lady cooking stew, And he said, "How do you do, May I chop some wood for you?" What the lady told him made him feel so blue. (CHORUS) 'Cross the street a sign he read, "Work for Jesus" so it said, And he said, "Here is my chance, I'll surely try," And he kneeled upon the floor, Till his knees got rather sore, But at eating-time he heard the preacher cry... (CHORUS) Down the street he met a cop, And the copper made him stop, And he asked him, "When did you blow into town? Come with me up to the judge," But the judge he said, "Oh fudge, Bums that have no money needn't come around." This song was originally posted on protestsonglyrics.net (CHORUS) Finally came that happy day When his life did pass away, He was sure he'd go to heaven when he died, When he reached the pearly gate, Saint Peter, mean old skate, Slammed the gate right in his face and loudly cried: (CHORUS) Joe Hill |
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01 May 23 - 09:52 AM (#4171226) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The only strategy I see that would make a Trump win and leave Biden unelectable is to make some States have a mandatory third party choice for Independents and moderate Democrats. Remember how Nader made Gore lose Florida? |
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01 May 23 - 12:48 PM (#4171244) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trumps folks requested a mistrial in the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit, and the judge wasn't having it. Trump's attorney accused the judge of having a bias against Trump. (Reuters links disappear quickly.) Trump's lawyer said the effect of several "unfair and prejudicial" rulings by Kaplan "manifests a deeper leaning towards one party over another," including comments where the judge "openly expresses favoritism." This week Trump is in Scotland and Ireland playing golf. Is there anything officials over there can to do embarrass or evict the cretin? |
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01 May 23 - 04:05 PM (#4171258) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Security cameras would not have been very common back in 1995, so that comment is not very realistic. A long shot by the lawyer. Is that the best he can do? Clutching at straws? I'm still placing my bets on Trump shooting his mouth off as usual, and shooting himself in the foot in relation to the legal framework. Bring it on! And there are plenty more legal cases against him so if he doesn't do it this time, there are more opportunities to come. |
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01 May 23 - 11:59 PM (#4171282) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage "Hoist with his own petard." |
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02 May 23 - 12:17 AM (#4171285) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Multiple hoists by multiple petards on multiple occasions. So many petards that it will be like a fireworks show. (That's my hope, anyway.) |
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03 May 23 - 08:17 AM (#4171396) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel An attempted assassination of Putin by drone has failed at the Kremlin Russia claims. |
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03 May 23 - 08:44 AM (#4171398) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Did tucker carlson wish that Trumper truckers would kill an antifa kid in the text that got him fired? |
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03 May 23 - 11:26 AM (#4171402) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome If an AI running mate stabbed him in the back would it be called AI Gore? |
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03 May 23 - 11:37 AM (#4171410) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Ya know Ai Gore is kinda wooden and robotic. 11,000 TV writers are on strike. They are not getting streaming repeat pay. Producers are seeking to replace them with AI writers for comedy and series. TV may become an artificial wasteland. |
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03 May 23 - 11:39 AM (#4171411) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage One tends to think that by claiming that Putin was targeted that the Kremlin is telegraphing what they actually plan to try to do to Zelenskyy. The schoolyard bully chant of "they started it" is their defense if they manage such a thing. |
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03 May 23 - 12:30 PM (#4171415) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I didn't think of that. Poisoning via airports and clothing seems to be Putin's MO. Defenestration is fine in a pinch. |
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03 May 23 - 03:02 PM (#4171428) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Ron DeSantis’ Own Smug Memoir May Have Handed Disney Victory in Their Battle: see the third paragraph. This Trump-wannabe is as toxic as the guy he wants to replace. |
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03 May 23 - 04:46 PM (#4171430) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen The views of some military analysts: Russia says Ukraine tried to kill Vladimir Putin but Ukraine flatly denies it. Could the drone attack on the Kremlin have been a false flag? By Andrew Thorpe |
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04 May 23 - 02:40 AM (#4171448) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome It's not a thread about Ukraine and Russia either Stilly. No comments about that? And are we no longer allowed to poke fun at Trump? Or other politicians? |
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04 May 23 - 03:49 PM (#4171513) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Jury convicts Proud Boys members of seditious conspiracy in US Capitol attack |
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04 May 23 - 03:58 PM (#4171515) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The thread is on target to cover Trump and his ilk and those who aim to replace him. And his court cases. And his loser family. |
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04 May 23 - 04:54 PM (#4171518) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen I think it is noteworthy that the Proud Boys now want to shift the blame onto Trump. See the last three paragraphs of that article. So now other key players are also attempting to shoot Trump in the foot. Hoist by the petards of others, as well as his own. Bring it on! |
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04 May 23 - 04:59 PM (#4171519) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen There is some sort of glitch when I try to copy text from the news articles. I get an error message, even when I just use plain text by pasting it into Notepad and then copying it but when I deleted the quoted text and just pasted my comments it worked. This is the second time I had to leave out the quotes on two ABC (Oz) articles. Very odd. |
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04 May 23 - 05:40 PM (#4171521) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Sandra in Sydney server is timing out & Max has been informed - see Lyrics & knowledge Search thread above the line. |
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04 May 23 - 06:10 PM (#4171524) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I found the ultimate Trump Movie called 'Who is Amos Otis?' on Prime Video. However, it is science fiction. |
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04 May 23 - 06:46 PM (#4171527) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Several posts of mine simply won't post. |
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04 May 23 - 07:02 PM (#4171528) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Nothing personal. It was a glitch |
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04 May 23 - 07:08 PM (#4171529) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The Proud Boy insurrectionist leaders and Oath Keepers were found guilty and could be sentenced for decades behind bars. Garland intimated that higher up plotters and planners could be next. That might include Rudy and Cruz. |
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04 May 23 - 07:31 PM (#4171533) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen And hopefully even higher up the food chain to the arch-plotter? :-D |
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04 May 23 - 07:43 PM (#4171536) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Yes now that the grunts are guilty the suits are next. Who should be worried? Rudy, Cruz, Meadows, MT Greene, Jim Jordan...Donald. |
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05 May 23 - 11:22 AM (#4171562) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Multi-paragraph or long paragraphs aren't posting right now, Mudcat keeps timing out. |
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05 May 23 - 01:38 PM (#4171566) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Being succinct and accurate is a skill in itself. |
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05 May 23 - 04:34 PM (#4171574) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Thanks for the explanation, SRS. It was a bit spooky, having some posts creating error messages and then cutting out some of the content, et voilà! It works. I thought it might have been the quotation marks causing a problem. |
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06 May 23 - 12:45 PM (#4171653) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Being succinct and accurate is a skill in itself. That was ironic in the extreme coming from you, Don :-D |
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06 May 23 - 02:11 PM (#4171656) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I see you're trying to be a baby STEVE, Don't bother. Its like DeSantis trying to out petty Trump. It can't be done. |
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06 May 23 - 09:46 PM (#4171691) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump's lawyers rested on Friday in the E. Jean Carroll rape trial, but the judge is so sure that Trump is going to try to use that as an excuse to blast the case in social media saying he wasn't given a chance to testify that the judge gave him until Sunday to officially declare his intent to testify or not. This is quite a gift, not something afforded any other defendant. |
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06 May 23 - 10:35 PM (#4171694) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Just imagine how almost impossible it will be for Trump to rein in his overwhelming desire to blast his opinions out on social media. For a whole weekend! He must be holding his breath and going red in the face trying to control his normal urge-to-splurge on diatribes. The image of the Trump Baby balloon keeps getting more relevant with each chapter of the saga(s). |
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07 May 23 - 03:25 AM (#4171702) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Not at all, Don. I just found it funny. Hence the smiley |
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07 May 23 - 06:43 AM (#4171709) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor I just read Don's quote and spewed coffee all over my tablet. It was a joke, right? |
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07 May 23 - 06:43 AM (#4171710) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Every time I see the title of this thread, I read ‘Trump INDUCTED’! :-( |
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07 May 23 - 06:54 AM (#4171711) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome I thought so, gillymor, but it seems I was wrong! |
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07 May 23 - 07:44 AM (#4171713) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Donuel doesn't do jokes, gillymor. Surely you haven't forgotten that! |
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07 May 23 - 06:17 PM (#4171783) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel After I listened to Trump's recorded testimony, I believe any juror with a daughter will seek maximum punishment. It was depraved. |
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07 May 23 - 06:27 PM (#4171785) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen It was especially interesting showing evidence of Trump confusing E. Jean Carroll's image and a photo of his ex-wife while claiming that EJC is not his type. |
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08 May 23 - 09:09 AM (#4171830) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Life, motherhood and apple pie was an idiom that was often repeated as the good things Americans could still agree upon. It looks like all we have left is apple pie. |
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08 May 23 - 11:14 AM (#4171842) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump made no move to accept the offer to testify. His goose is now officially cooked. |
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08 May 23 - 05:26 PM (#4171866) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen I just read this article about the war in Ukraine and the mistakes made by Russian General Valery Gerasimov. I think the quote near the end is relevant to Trump. Why is Vladimir Putin standing by Russian General Valery Gerasimov after four key failures during the Ukraine war? "There is an old saying: 'When your enemy is making mistakes, don't get in their way.' " |
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08 May 23 - 05:43 PM (#4171867) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Lighter It will take a unanimous verdict to find against Trump. In other words, not even one of the jurors can be a dedicated, unacknowledged Trump supporter ready to believe he's the real victim. Odds of that? Stay tuned. |
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08 May 23 - 07:24 PM (#4171874) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Yup. |
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09 May 23 - 11:22 PM (#4171883) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Yay!! Donald Trump found liable for sexually abusing writer E Jean Carroll in civil trial Recently, around the time of state or federal elections here in Oz a sticker has appeared on the local post box making fun of the conservative Liberal party. It looks like their usual logo but the word is spelled "Liarble" and not "Liberal". It makes me laugh each time I see it, and now seeing that Trump has been found liable, makes me think he is also liarble. LOL |
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10 May 23 - 12:12 AM (#4171888) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The cherry on top of today's wonderful news was that the Justice Department has indicted George Santos (the lying GOP congressman from Long Island) and we'll learn what those charges are tomorrow when he appears in federal court. It doesn't mean he's out of Congress and the GOP needs his vote so they won't do a thing to expel him. Trump's attorneys of course say they'll appeal the decision today, but this die has been cast. He is no longer "Teflon Don." |
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10 May 23 - 12:44 AM (#4171890) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Given that Trump thought so little of the EJC case that he didn't bother to offer a defence, I would be very surprised if an appeal against the findings would bear any weight. He had his chance and he threw it away. I imagine he might have been throwing crockery at the wall in his usual tiny-temper tantrum manner. Bring on all those other cases against him! |
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10 May 23 - 03:35 AM (#4171903) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie Trumpers are lauding today's development as a victory for trump, saying that since he was not convicted of actual rape, the whole trial was a big loss for his accusers. They don't mention the money he's going to have to shell out. I keep reading that trump offered no defense in the trial, and it is true that he didn't appear in person. He did, however, present the deposition; he and his team must have figured that would do the trick. |
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10 May 23 - 06:54 AM (#4171912) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The Teflon Don has lost his nonstick coating and has been grabbed by his wallet again. |
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10 May 23 - 07:14 AM (#4171918) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw This will not finish him and will probably strengthen him. Either you get a lot more on him or we should be very afraid. |
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10 May 23 - 07:32 AM (#4171921) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Anything bad for Trump goes on his Enemies of the State List. Currently, a jury by one's peers appears on that list. Also on that list is anything that did not support his coup such as; the Constitution, the US military, the Law, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the Justice Dept., anything democratic, any critic, and finally Rosie O'Donnell. |
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10 May 23 - 09:11 AM (#4171927) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Lighter I can't believe it. I was actually too cynical. How can that be? |
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10 May 23 - 12:19 PM (#4171941) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There is a "Town Hall" on CNN tonight that Trump scheduled at the last minute. Hosted at a small conservative university in New England. The chatter is that he's already telling people he wasn't allowed to tell his side of the story in the trial concluded yesterday, never mind all of the extra time he was given to make an appearance. He just lies as it suits him, we've always known that. |
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10 May 23 - 01:52 PM (#4171950) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome How can any legal system allow him an appeal? He didn't bother turning up for the trial so surely he gave his chance up! If I was invited for a job interview, didn't turn up and then complained when I failed to get the job, I would be a laughing stock |
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10 May 23 - 02:02 PM (#4171951) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There is probably a high percentage of bluster and attempt at saving-face involved in those remarks about an appeal. It will cost him more to appeal than he would pay, but he isn't that bright when it comes to money, he just knows how to grift for it. Fellow GOP Liar George Santos is now in custody (midday on May 10) awaiting his arraignment. Keeping Trump out and whittling down the GOP numbers in the House and Senate are goals number one and two for the upcoming election. We'll have to see who would replace Santos (if an election happens, both Democrats and Republicans have a shot at it.) |
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10 May 23 - 02:32 PM (#4171956) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Thanks Stilly. That makes more sense |
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10 May 23 - 04:26 PM (#4171964) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen And the winners are ...... [drumroll] .... the lawyers!!!! As Stilly said, it will cost him more to appeal than he would pay. |
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10 May 23 - 04:54 PM (#4171966) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Donald Trump's most loyal supporters will stick by him after E Jean Carroll trial, but experts say he should brace for impact Notre Dame University professor of political science Christina Wolbrecht said the question of whether or not the verdict would change voters' minds was misguided. "The more relevant question, I think, is whether this decision will be sufficient to scare away potential advisors and financial supporters from his campaign, or get the news media to cover him differently," Professor Wolbrecht said. |
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10 May 23 - 09:35 PM (#4171990) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage We watched part of that "town hall" - it's just wholesale Trump lies. Couldn't stand it after about 20 minutes, and it is going on for a full 2 hours. Unless everyone gets up and walks out. |
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11 May 23 - 12:45 AM (#4171993) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie Steve Shaw 10 May 23 - 07:14 AM ... Either you get a lot more on him or we should be very afraid." Sadly, I think that both of those postulations are true: #1.I have little doubt but that there will be many more revelations and #2. Yes, we can legitimately be very afraid. |
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11 May 23 - 07:52 PM (#4172015) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage CNN gave Donald Trump a huge gift, and may have signed a death sentence to their business as far as being considered a "news agency." Two hours of unbridled lies when Trump held forth was an embarrassment to behold. I saw about 20 minutes before I couldn't stand it any more. From the WTF Just Happened Today newsletter I get on weekdays: CNN reported that “it’s hard to see how America was served by the spectacle of lies that aired on CNN” during Trump’s primetime town hall interview. In his first media appearance since being found liable for sexual abuse and defamation, Trump spent roughly 70 minutes maintaining his lie that the 2020 election was “rigged,” refusing to pledge to accept the results of the 2024 election, calling the moderator a “nasty person,” claiming he had the right to take classified documents to Mar-a-Lago, and saying he would pardon a “large portion” of the Jan. 6 rioters. Although Kaitlan Collins attempted to fact-checked his inaccurate claims, the live audience of Republicans and undeclared voters regularly clapped and laughed on behalf of Trump and his false claims. (CNN / Associated Press / Politico / NPR / Wall Street Journal / Washington Post / New York Times / NBC News / CNBC) I've added in all of the articles he linked to in the newsletter. |
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11 May 23 - 07:57 PM (#4172016) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I believe that the majority are good honest people, If you think most people are evil you have bigger problems. |
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11 May 23 - 09:12 PM (#4172019) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Also an article on the ABC (Oz) news site. Trump lodges appeal against sexual abuse finding as CNN grapples with town hall fallout "Donald Trump signals he will appeal against a jury's decision to find him liable for sexual abuse and defamation, a day after joking about the case during a controversial CNN broadcast." I assume that Trump hoisted a few of his own legal petards during his rants. |
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11 May 23 - 10:39 PM (#4172021) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie I *was* going to watch it, but like Sage, after a few minutes I had to turn it off. The lies were too, too blatant, and the audience was awful. |
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11 May 23 - 11:37 PM (#4172023) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage After last night's performance E. Jean Carroll said she might sue him again. |
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12 May 23 - 12:44 PM (#4172062) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The Washington Post sends out a subscriber newsletter and their note this morning: Trump’s CNN town hall: A firehose of false claims (You may hit a paywall, depending on how many articles you've read this month if you aren't a subscriber.) |
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13 May 23 - 11:37 AM (#4172133) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel CNN has nothing to lose by hosting the Trump and DeSantis showdown in Tulsa OK this weelenTHEY SHOULD TITLE IT 'DUELING ASSHOLES' Dueling banjo music can be played over them loudly when they won't shut up. PS Tulsa is also the city of the deadliest and most destructive attack on black people by whites. |
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14 May 23 - 05:52 PM (#4172226) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I watched 'the tapes of Ted Bundy' on Netflix today. As a result, it would be accurate for me to say Donald Trump is the Ted Bundy of politics. |
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15 May 23 - 11:20 AM (#4172261) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Kemp in Georgia was the Secy of State when he ran for governor the first time, and he purged the voter rolls to favor himself. Taking a page from that book, DeSantis is changing state law so he can run for President while still gov of Florida. "Ron DeSantis is using the final weeks before he reportedly launches a presidential campaign to modify Florida law to allow him to run while serving as governor and reduce transparency over political spending and his travel." Link. |
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15 May 23 - 11:22 AM (#4172262) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Those two are doing what Trump would have done were he an office holder when he first ran - they're cheating. And if Trump is elected, he'll try to cheat some more to keep himself in office. |
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15 May 23 - 10:47 PM (#4172297) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/f-me-like-crazy-donald-trump-crony-rudy-giuliani-faces-sexual-abuse-lawsuit-using-same-law- |
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15 May 23 - 10:58 PM (#4172299) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel It has also come to light that Rudy was selling pardons for 2 million dollars. |
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16 May 23 - 12:13 PM (#4172334) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie I read that it is believed - or at least, claimed- that Giuliani offered $2 million pardons but that there has been no indication that anyone took him up on it. |
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16 May 23 - 01:29 PM (#4172346) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Even a failed Fentanyl dealer is still a criminal salesman. The sexual abuse evidence by Rudy is far more shocking and detailed than in the Trump conviction. |
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16 May 23 - 07:02 PM (#4172377) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage They read through a lot of a charges against Giuliani last night on MSNBC. Power went to his head and his behavior has been abusive and perverse. And criminal. |
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17 May 23 - 05:52 AM (#4172401) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Sasha Baron Cohen has part of his film submitted as evidence against Rudy in court. Well done. His trap of the NRA is also classic. |
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17 May 23 - 06:30 AM (#4172402) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Yeah, Cohen caught the old perv with his hand down his pants obviously expecting some manner of sexual gratification from the young actress but I can't find any indication that "Sasha Baron Cohen has part of his film submitted as evidence against Rudy in court." Where did you find this, how about a link? |
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17 May 23 - 06:37 AM (#4172403) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel It's in print and on cable news/ Poor Rudy, there's no fool like an old caveman. |
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17 May 23 - 06:56 AM (#4172405) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Found it, Yahoo News, what a creep show. |
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17 May 23 - 06:56 AM (#4172406) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Under penalty of perjury, the evidence submitted to the court includes patterns of behavior, 23,000 emails, and audio recordings. Then there is witness testimony and financial records. Rudy and Santos have mistakenly followed the new Trump ethics. 'commit any crime and lie all the time'. |
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18 May 23 - 02:02 PM (#4172520) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Sasha Baron Cohen had an actress in the room with Rudy and had to keep her safe and Rudy appeared ready to jump her (Lawrence O'Donnell played part of his interview with Cohen about that on The Last Word). O'Donnell said he can't play or read any more from that complaint against Rudy because of the network standards, it's too gross. |
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18 May 23 - 06:33 PM (#4172527) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Harassment Suit Against Rudy Giuliani Full of Graphic Allegations. The planned sale of presidential pardons for $2m each (to be split by Don and Rudy) is mild compared to the sexual harassment stuff. "A New York woman says the ex-mayor sexually harassed her while she was working for him—claims he previously denied." This is a PDF of the complaint. |
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19 May 23 - 11:55 AM (#4172587) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman ”BlobNotFoundThe specified blob does not exist. RequestId:ea1ba5e6-401e-007b-1d6a-8acd8a000000 Time:2023-05-19T15:54:32.5082242Z” |
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19 May 23 - 12:02 PM (#4172588) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Here's the search I did for "published version of the complaint against Rudy Giuliani" - you can track down the results in there. The link above was to a government document, but I didn't save it so I'd have to hunt for it again myself to read it. |
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19 May 23 - 12:06 PM (#4172589) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Try this one. The file is 650033_2023_Noelle_Dunphy_v_Rudolph_W_Giuliani_et_al_COMPLAINT_10 |
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19 May 23 - 01:00 PM (#4172593) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen See Backwoodsman, that's what happens when you go searching for unspecified blobs! LOL |
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19 May 23 - 01:13 PM (#4172597) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman ”See Backwoodsman, that's what happens when you go searching for unspecified blobs! LOL” LOL, Helen! :-) When I read through the .pdf on SRS’s new link, I really wished I hadn’t bothered! What an appalling tale. |
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19 May 23 - 02:05 PM (#4172600) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen BWM, I have enough trouble sleeping already without reading the grisly details. I can already imagine the extent of the crimes, given the well-known nature of the perp. I did see the Sacha Baron Cohen footage when it was first released. It didn't surprise me. |
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19 May 23 - 06:45 PM (#4172613) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel This the Sasha and Ben discussion I saw; https://www.google.com/search?q=ben+afflack+and+sasha+cohen+talk+about+rudy&rlz=1C1YTUH_enUS1037US1037&sxsrf=APwXEdd3D2o1nCS2XTt |
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20 May 23 - 06:37 AM (#4172641) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In the hunt for the great white fail, Donald is all fat and no chattel, and DeSantos is Scrooge McDuck. |
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20 May 23 - 02:45 PM (#4172678) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie A play upon words, Donuel, is meaningless when the words themselves are meaningless."All fat and no chattel"? Sheesh |
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20 May 23 - 03:01 PM (#4172679) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Personal insults are not helpful, Ebbie. |
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20 May 23 - 03:25 PM (#4172682) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Considering that Donald has wasted money he inherited and leveraged money he borrowed and gone bankrupt several times, the "no chattel" part seems about right. Fani Willis has alerted the Atlanta courthouse community to not schedule trials between August 7 and 14, after they return from a conference they're attending in the first week of August. From the NY Post: “Thank you for your consideration and assistance in keeping the Fulton County Judicial Complex safe during this time,” Willis wrote in her memo to staff and judges. I dislike the Post so I'll stick with just that quote. I think The Hill is readable to all (no paywall): Georgia prosecutor clears decks for possible Trump charges |
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20 May 23 - 04:19 PM (#4172685) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I didn't detect any personal insult. Donuel's post was pointless and, as such, was vulnerable to challenge. |
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21 May 23 - 04:13 PM (#4172746) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel George W Bush was known as 'all hat and no cattle', Comparing DeSantis to a villain DISNEY character is rife with possibility. I just don't know which one is most suitable. |
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22 May 23 - 07:12 AM (#4172806) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The reality of Trump behind bars brings up factors that one can predict. He is accustomed to a servant lifestyle and will certainly confuse the guards as his servants. Big mistake. I do not expect good behavior but I do expect obsequious trickery. 'Everything Trump touches dies including his lawyers' is a frequent saying. |
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22 May 23 - 08:51 AM (#4172811) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor The guy is as slippery as a frog. He may never wear the orange jumpsuit. |
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22 May 23 - 01:03 PM (#4172819) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage He would end up at one of those minimum security places for the ultra rich non-violent types (though his words certainly inspire violence, so look out). Or under house arrest at his golf course. He has cornered the market in orange for his daily spray of face color. |
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22 May 23 - 05:14 PM (#4172844) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Another contender has declared for the GOP post in the presidential race. And with DeSantis trying to one-up Trump, Florida sounds like a terribly place to live right now. DeSantis’s $13.5m police program lures officers with violent records to Florida Governor’s incentive scheme recruits officers with history of excessive violence or who have been arrested since signing up |
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22 May 23 - 06:46 PM (#4172850) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel When Trump gets lawyers those lawyers have to get lawyers or quit. People have tried to out-trump Trump to no avail. The NYT says, prosecutors are examining Trump's foreign business deals from 2017/ ?? Even his ex-lawyer with the outrageous mustache says Trump is going to jail over the classified documents case since notes were found warning Trump to not do it. Even slimy frogs get stepped on. |
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22 May 23 - 07:02 PM (#4172853) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel If Trump does become PRESIDENT FROM JAIL, HIS CHIEF OF STALL MIGHT GET AN UNLOCKED ADJACENT CELL |
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22 May 23 - 07:37 PM (#4172856) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen E Jean Carroll seeks new damages from Donald Trump over post-verdict statements "Writer E Jean Carroll sought on Monday to amend the first of her two defamation lawsuits against Donald Trump to demand at least $US10 million ($15 million) in additional damages, citing comments he made on CNN after a jury found him liable for sexually abusing her." |
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22 May 23 - 10:06 PM (#4172868) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I think she's entirely within her rights, and why go to court again, everyone saw it. More power to Jean. |
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22 May 23 - 11:32 PM (#4172873) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen SRS, the last two paragraphs of the article are the key issue, I think: "Her original November 2019 lawsuit has been bogged down in appeals over whether Mr Trump was immune from being sued because he had been president when he spoke. "Ms Carroll's lawyers said in a letter to US District Judge Lewis Kaplan on Monday that because Mr Trump's alleged defamatory statements were essentially the same, the only open issues are whether he was immune for making the first statement and, if not, what damages he owes." |
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23 May 23 - 06:13 AM (#4172878) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The very next day he called her a 'WHACK JOB' on national TV (CNN) That might be 10 million dollars per whack job statement for Donald. The irony is delicious as to who is a whack job. |
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23 May 23 - 10:32 AM (#4172897) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage More details about the subpoena to collect the documents he removed from the White House: Trump was warned about retaining classified documents, notes reveal Exclusive: Unreported warning contained in notes taken by lawyer Evan Corcoran that prosecutors have viewed in recent months Federal prosecutors have evidence Donald Trump was put on notice that he could not retain any classified documents after he was subpoenaed for their return last year, as they examine whether the subsequent failure to fully comply with the subpoena was a deliberate act of obstruction by the former president. |
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24 May 23 - 06:47 PM (#4173050) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Stupid gum. Trump will have court appearances in the middle of candidate selection. |
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25 May 23 - 12:56 AM (#4173061) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Ron DeSantis needed his 2024 presidential launch to go perfectly to catch up to Trump. Then Twitter had a meltdown |
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25 May 23 - 01:51 AM (#4173066) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Every time I see a photo of Elon Musk, or a news item about him, I wonder when (not whether) he will decide to try to step in Trump's presidential shoes. The idiotic photo of Musk at the top of the article I just linked to just makes me more worried. |
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25 May 23 - 02:17 AM (#4173069) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie Born in South Africa, Musk, of course, is not eligible to become USA president. Adviser and influencer, yes.... |
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25 May 23 - 08:19 AM (#4173086) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Ron DeSantis real name is Ronald D. Santis. His wife suggested going with De Santis. They were married in Disney's Wonderland Amusment Park in an awkward 19 yr old trophy-wife ceremony. Ron is a tad older. |
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25 May 23 - 09:01 AM (#4173087) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Around here we just call him Duh Santis. |
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25 May 23 - 12:04 PM (#4173107) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage All of these court cases are circling the drain - Trump is closer and closer to really going down for a crime, not just being found guilty of sexual assault in civil court. I have my popcorn ready. |
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25 May 23 - 12:27 PM (#4173108) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel You and your low-sodium popcorn. A jail sentence is worthy of a Mcdonald's feast. |
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25 May 23 - 12:29 PM (#4173109) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen That's good news Ebbie! :-) |
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25 May 23 - 04:34 PM (#4173135) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie Donuel, to quote a phrase: There you go again... From Wikipedia: "DeSantis was born on September 14, 1978, in Jacksonville, Florida, the son of Karen DeSantis (née Rogers) and Ronald Daniel DeSantis. His middle name, Dion, extols the singer Dion DiMucci.[3] His mother's family name, Rogers, was Ruggiero until her paternal grandfather changed it after entering the United States from Italy.[4][5][6] DeSantis is Italian American; all of his great-grandparents were born in Southern Italy,[nb 1] and emigrated to the United States during the Italian diaspora.[1" And, "Ron is a tad older"? He is two/2/TWO years older than his wife. I don't like or trust DeSantis but facts is facts. |
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25 May 23 - 04:51 PM (#4173138) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor He's probably been out turning over the cow patties again. |
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25 May 23 - 07:26 PM (#4173153) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Make Samaritans great again. Good job Ebbie. |
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25 May 23 - 08:47 PM (#4173161) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie Thanks for the pat, Donuel, but what I'd like to know is where did YOU get your 'facts'? |
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25 May 23 - 10:00 PM (#4173170) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage A Trump toady from Texas, Ken Paxton, the under-indictment Attorney General since 2015 (a slow moving federal case), is recommended to be impeached. By his own party. Texas lawmakers recommend impeaching Attorney General Ken Paxton Paxton has been under FBI investigation for years over accusations that he used his office to help a donor and was separately indicted on securities fraud charges in 2015, but has yet to stand trial. |
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26 May 23 - 05:48 AM (#4173176) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Worrying artice in The Economist |
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26 May 23 - 06:12 AM (#4173179) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ron-desantis-pronounce-name.html Trump will not be the first to run for President from jail. Eugene Debbs did it. |
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26 May 23 - 06:30 AM (#4173181) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The story of his wife preferring DeSantis over D.Santis was on MSNBC Morning Joe along with their marriage ceremony at Disney. The truth is so bizarre these days since Trump I seldom use satire anymore. The truth is now its own satire. |
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26 May 23 - 06:50 AM (#4173182) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel CPAC Treasurer resigns over financial mismanagement as bad as the NRA. Conservatism is now about hate, grievance, and criminal acts even in the religious right. Donations water their money tree, free for the taking. Grifting con man scams are business as usual No lie to take free money is too big. The first time I mentioned the Oath Keepers was 5 years ago in a group of troubling militias. Today their leader Elmer Rhodes was sentenced to 18 years in Federal Prison. |
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26 May 23 - 07:30 AM (#4173184) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel There is still room for sarcastic satire; CLEARWATER, FL—Hoping that she had done enough to obtain one of the coveted feminine hygiene products, local Florida woman Jessica Calderon filled out a 25-page application Thursday in order to receive a tampon. The Florida legislature included the menstrual cycle as a form of abortion in the killing of an unfertilized egg via tampons. Dr. Bubba Wilcox testified Thursday on the killing of unfertilized eggs and the legislature amended their 6 week abortion ban... |
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26 May 23 - 08:26 AM (#4173192) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor That was lame and crude. My ideal scenario: trump eviscerates Duh Santis on a "debate" stage, ending his presidential aspirations and then checks into a Federal prison. |
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26 May 23 - 10:11 AM (#4173200) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel DuhSantis strikes me as a bullied wanna-be bully that would accept Trump's Vice Presidency. Moral decrepitude knows no bounds. |
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26 May 23 - 10:39 AM (#4173207) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw He posted the same dismal thing in the joke thread. The JOKE thread... |
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26 May 23 - 10:43 AM (#4173208) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Big Al Whittle here endeth another week of DT walking round free as a bird, laughing his ass off at those people who confine their behaviour to what is lawful. |
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26 May 23 - 04:15 PM (#4173229) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Big Al Whittle, I agree: "...people who confine their behaviour to what is lawful." and I would add ethical, empathetic, and a bunch of other essential human qualities. |
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26 May 23 - 07:23 PM (#4173237) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel DT has the quality and vanity that only he has all the answers. |
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26 May 23 - 08:14 PM (#4173242) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel DeSantis is Diet Trump. Yuck |
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26 May 23 - 10:10 PM (#4173245) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie I dearly hope he is not tRumpdeLuxe |
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27 May 23 - 09:11 AM (#4173267) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The Complete GUIDE TO MAGA CULTURE WAR: Pardon all convicts victimized by the weaponization of law Defund FBI, DOJ, and replace the CONSTITUTION REMOVE WOMEN'S RIGHTS TO HEALTHCARE Destroy all woke books, media, and Democracy Make MAGA history the only true history Keep ; the following goals a secret Take away all women's right to vote Remove all women's right to serve Make our President serve for life Make minorities NOT MATTER Make blacks slaves against Remove the courts Burn the jews |
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27 May 23 - 02:06 PM (#4173280) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up against your enemies but a great deal more to stand up against your friends." |
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27 May 23 - 02:55 PM (#4173282) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Quote from Albus Dumbledore in, I think, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Or whatever you Yanks changed the title too because you couldn't understand the word "Pilosopher". Why don't you just attribute your quotes to who said them, Don? Doesn't everyone on the planet already know where that comes from? ---mudelf |
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27 May 23 - 03:08 PM (#4173283) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor "Pilosopher"- lover of hemmeroids? |
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27 May 23 - 03:32 PM (#4173284) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Donuel, re your statement: Strange enough many Latin American men voted for the Donald I thought it was very strange that African-Americans were supporting him as well, back in his 2016 campaign. I'm not sure whether they would still be supporting him now. |
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27 May 23 - 05:54 PM (#4173290) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Doesn't everyone on the planet already know where that comes from? ---mudelf No. There are are some grown-ups who don't read dismal children's books. |
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28 May 23 - 07:09 AM (#4173316) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The quote was in quotes and is firmly in the public domain, but some missed the point anyway. Even Bible quotes are rarely sourced and footnoted in conversation. Hair-brained condemnation as constant as the wind is because the troll would be embarrassed to admit why they hate. The truth would be humiliating to the troll. So let's not speak of it. The aim is to educate, not humiliate. One reason why Trump was successful in his duping is that most intelligent people have self-doubt and over time it develops into an imposter syndrome that leaves them open to the big lies of the Troll. |
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28 May 23 - 07:36 AM (#4173319) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Overcome self-doubt and the path to truth is wide and long. The feeling of being a fraud or an accidental swindler, as Einstien put it, will go away and free high-achieving people. Maya Angelou and Tom Hanks both suffered from self doubt that they would be found out. Just having an imposter syndrome is an indication that you have achieved excellence. Thats when you can overcome self-doubt and be free. That freedom leaves you impervious to the envious manipulators. The paradox is that unworthy people like Trump also are free of self doubt and cause harm. |
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28 May 23 - 07:55 AM (#4173321) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Having some self-doubt keeps you humble, keeps you working and keeps you learning. I see Helen on the cusp of learning to fly free of unnecessary self-doubt. Stilly has been liberated for years and the trolls can only peck at people who actually have important ideas. |
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28 May 23 - 08:01 AM (#4173323) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I should mention that keb also is free of self doubt caused by abuse. |
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28 May 23 - 08:20 AM (#4173324) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump thinks he grows taller by cutting the head off others. Like a monopoly he thinks "I don't care because I don't have to". Well, it looks like he will be learning to care. |
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28 May 23 - 01:18 PM (#4173339) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Manitas_at_home It's hare-brained. |
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28 May 23 - 05:50 PM (#4173348) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage It's like watching a slow-moving chess game, which government prosecutor, county, state, or federal, is going to take a shot at Trump next, and ultimately, which one is going to disqualify him from holding public office. (The analogy is a chess game but it has more than two players, unless someone can name some other slow-moving game with lots of players.) |
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28 May 23 - 06:07 PM (#4173351) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel If convicted several times he is not disqualified from running. |
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28 May 23 - 06:50 PM (#4173353) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen SRS, another slow-moving (in my opinion) game with lots of players that I can think of is Monopoly, which is kinda relevant because that's what Trump tries to achieve in everything he does. Coincidentally, this week I saw a UK TV quiz show host state that his family used to bend the rules of Monopoly so that each game would go on for days. Bending the rules is also one of Trump's key features. And the aim of Monopoly is to monopolise all the money and resources to gain the most power over other people in the game. |
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28 May 23 - 07:17 PM (#4173355) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Even after writing eleven books and winning several awards, Maya Angelou couldn't escape the self-doubt that she hadn't earned her accomplishments. This feeling of fraudulence is extremely common. Why can't so many of us shake feelings that our ideas and skills aren't worthy of others. “I feel compelled to think of myself as an involuntary swindler.” - Albert Einstein in 1955, shortly before his death. Impostor Syndrome is a psychological ...You can check Tom Hanks yourself. The gears of justice grind slowly but a grand pause after the capitol invasion I BELIEVE WAS NEEDED. Appeasing the Confederates lasted 150 years. |
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28 May 23 - 07:23 PM (#4173356) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen And, regarding Monopoly, how could I forget? There is a Go To Jail card! :-D |
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28 May 23 - 08:32 PM (#4173360) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Slow-moving is exactly right. The democratic part of the world outside the US has watched with dismay how the yanks have allowed someone who is clearly criminal to weave his way through what you laughingly call your justice system into a position of being a realistic presidential candidate (let alone a rock-solid cert to win if and when he becomes that candidate). If he wins, that's the end of democracy, and America has sleepwalked its way into this position. You have powerful vested right-wing interests and you have frightened politicians who are allowing this to happen. I said on this forum many years ago that your politics is infantile. We are now reaping the whirlwind of that. Meet Trump, your next president. Or I'll eat my bloody hat. |
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28 May 23 - 09:16 PM (#4173362) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There are several charges that if he is convicted will prohibit him from running. Sedition is one. If he is found guilty of sharing those classified documents at Mar-a-lago (have they checked the phones of frequent guests? I'd bet they snapped a few pix) he's toast as far as the espionage act. |
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29 May 23 - 09:01 AM (#4173373) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw We'll settle for Ron then. Sheesh, and we thought that Boris was bad enough... |
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29 May 23 - 10:00 AM (#4173377) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > We'll settle for Ron then. *NOOOOO* .... He reminds me of the I CLAVDIVS scene where Claudius's two advisers are discussing potential brides for Claudius. One suggests Agrippinilla, and the other retorts: "It'll be like the Lady Messalina all over again --- worse, the Lady Messalina with brains." |
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29 May 23 - 12:07 PM (#4173380) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Lighter Of course Trump can run for President from a jail cell. It's been done before. And if he wins, he's President. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/06/trump-running-for-president-prison-00090931 But at the rate the process is going, he may not even stand trial on federal charges before November, 2024. |
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29 May 23 - 12:42 PM (#4173382) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage He is the king of delay tactics, and has earned the name Teflon Don for a reason. But his luck has run out. Who knows, maybe the GOP in Texas tossing out their Attorney General will give the national party some ideas. |
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29 May 23 - 02:09 PM (#4173385) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Stilly is right BUT he is not indicted or convicted of sedition. I hope Steve's hat is made of cake. |
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29 May 23 - 02:19 PM (#4173386) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Like Ron, I. Claudius said "let all the evil in the mud hatch out" Believe me Florida is muddy. |
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29 May 23 - 02:20 PM (#4173387) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Cake hat. Mmmmmmmmm.... |
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29 May 23 - 06:37 PM (#4173405) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Yeah. If I had to eat a hat I would enjoy cake. |
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29 May 23 - 06:41 PM (#4173406) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen No he wants to eat a bloody hat. No accounting for taste. |
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29 May 23 - 06:48 PM (#4173408) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel We have somthing called an ass·hat noun VULGAR SLANG•NORTH AMERICAN noun: ass-hat a stupid or contemptible person. |
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29 May 23 - 07:28 PM (#4173411) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I'd far sooner eat a hat than see Trump back in power. I call that GOOD taste. All I ask is that I get to choose the material. Last time I ate a felt hat I bloody near choked... |
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29 May 23 - 07:36 PM (#4173412) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw By the way, an elephant trainer in Ontario had his Tilley hat snatched from him and eaten by elephants three times. It was still wearable. As it happens, I've had a Tilley hat for 22 years. I'm trying to work out whether I can get it down in one as I'd still like to wear it afterwards. There wouldn't be any other takers. This looks a bit off-topic, though let's remember that elephants make TRUMPeting noises... |
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29 May 23 - 08:05 PM (#4173419) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel THE WRECK OF THE DONALD TRUMP BIG LIE The legend lives on from Wikipedia on down Of the big lie they called Donald's last stand The race, it is said, never gives up her dead When the skies of November turn gloomy With a load of Bull Shit twenty-six thousand tons more The real Donald Trump campaign spent millions That good ship Trump truth was a bone to be chewed When campaigns of November came early The ship was the pride of the American side Coming back from some rally in Wisconsin As the big liars go, HE was bigger than most With a crew and good Donald well seasoned Concluding some terms with a couple of firms When they left fully loaded for Victory And later that night when votes were counted Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'? The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound And a wave broke over his railing And every man knew, as the Donald did too T'was the witch of November come stealin' The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait When campaigns of November came slashin' When afternoon came votes felt like freezin' rain In the face of a hurricane west wind When suppertime came, the old cook came in sayin' "Fellas, it's too late to feed ya" At seven PM, the election caved in, he said "Fellas, it's been good to know ya" Then Rudy phoned in he had bad news comin' in And the campaign and crew was in peril And later that night when his lights went outta sight Came the wreck of the Donald J Trump run Does any one know where the love of God goes When the truth turns the minutes to hours? The broadcaster all say if he had more votes that day If they'd put fifteen more States behind him They might have split up or they might have capsized They may have broke deep and went to jail And all that remains is the faces and the names Of the wives and the sons and the daughters Internet rolls, television sings In the rooms of his golf resort mansion Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams The islands and bays are for sportsmen And farther below Mason Dixon Takes in what history sends her And candidates go as the politicos all know With campaigns of November remembered In a musty old hall in old Queens they prayed In the CRIMINAL MUSEUM' cathedral The church bell chimed 'til it rang FORTY FIVE times And each man on the Donald Trump ticket The legend lives on from Manhatten on down Of the big lie they called lets play dirty America, they said, never gives up her dead When campaigns of November come early |
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29 May 23 - 09:09 PM (#4173425) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel edit 1 THE WRECK OF THE DONALD TRUMP BIG LIE The legend lives on from Wikipedia on down Of the big lie they called Donald's last stand The race, it is said, never gives up her dead When the skies of November turn gloomy With a load of Bull Shit twenty-six thousand tons more The real Donald Trump campaign spent millions That good ship Trump truth was a bone to be chewed When campaigns of November came early The ship was the pride of the American side Coming back from some rally in Wisconsin As the big liars go, HE was bigger than most With a crew and good Donald well seasoned Concluding some terms with a couple of firms When they left fully loaded for Victory And later that night when votes were counted Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'? The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound And a wave broke over his railing And every man knew, as the Donald did too T'was the witch of November come stealin' The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait When campaigns of November came slashin' When afternoon came votes felt like freezin' rain In the face of a hurricane west wind When suppertime came, the old cook came in sayin' "Fellas, it's too late to feed ya" At seven PM, the election caved in, he said "Fellas, it's been good to know ya" Then Rudy phoned in he had bad news comin' in And the campaign and crew was in peril And later that night when his lights went outta sight Came the wreck of the Donald J Trump run Does any one know where the love of God goes When the truth turns the minutes to hours? The broadcaster all say if he had more votes that day If they'd put fifteen more States behind him They might have split up but some of them have capsized Some have broke deep and went to jail And all that remains is the faces and the names Of the con men, grifters, and pillows Internet trolls and television bull now Fill the rooms of his golf resort mansions His bull shit steams like a narcissist's dreams The laws and courts review his criminal schemes And farther below Mason Dixon Teach what Ron's history sends her And candidates go as the politicos know With campaigns of November remembered In a musty old hall in old Queens they prayed In the CRIMINAL MUSEUM' cathedral The church bell chimed 'til it rang FORTY FIVE times And for each man on the Donald Trump team The legend lives on from Manhatten on down Of the big lie they called lets play dirty America, they said, never gives up her dead When campaigns of November come early |
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30 May 23 - 05:16 AM (#4173441) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor I hope that was the final edition, the phrase "polishing a turd" comes to mind. |
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30 May 23 - 06:12 AM (#4173445) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Gordon Lightfoot, only a month departed, may have turned in his grave |
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30 May 23 - 06:16 AM (#4173446) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump compares himself to fallen troops on MEMORIAL DAY. |
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30 May 23 - 06:26 AM (#4173447) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel When Ron DeSantis sees SLEEPING BEAUTY he sees the sexualization of children and necrophilia (kissing a corpse). I am concerned he is ill. |
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30 May 23 - 06:35 AM (#4173448) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor General Bonespurs has sacrificed so much for this country. Remember, STD's were his Viet Nam. |
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31 May 23 - 07:10 AM (#4173516) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In a nutshell, the wreckage that remains from Trump is threefold. 1. The conservative Supream Court 2. A historic 8 Trillion dollar debt (not taxing the rich) 3. A race war, extra death in the pandemic and a US Isis insurrection. Some would include his crimes or global US humiliation. The Republican Party works to establish a permanent minority rule by voter suppression and gerrymandering representative districts. A shift toward fascism goes together with abject lying. The world moves on and new issues have emerged like AI and Ukraine war presenting new dangers. This is only my perspective but I hope others have sharper vision. |
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31 May 23 - 04:15 PM (#4173534) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Even Rolling Stone is in the Trump news reporting business: Trump’s Lawyers Warn Him: Get Ready to Be Indicted by the Feds The former president has angrily complained in response to predictions that if the Justice Department is going to charge him, then “What about Joe Biden?” This month, several legal and political counselors to Trump have bluntly informed him that they expect the Justice Department to charge him in the criminal investigation into his hoarding of highly classified documents following the end of his presidency, two sources familiar with the matter tell Rolling Stone. The feds have also been probing whether or not Trump tried to obstruct the investigation prior to last year’s FBI raid of the ex-president’s Florida estate. |
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01 Jun 23 - 03:26 AM (#4173561) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie CNN.com: " Federal prosecutors have obtained an audio recording of a summer 2021 meeting in which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran, multiple sources told CNN, undercutting his argument that he declassified everything." |
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01 Jun 23 - 05:48 AM (#4173571) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The Trump Supreme Court ruled that one half of all US wetlands may now be polluted. Only wetlands directly adjacent to a flowing waterway may be protected now. In some circles Trump's MAGA means makes attorneys get attorneys. |
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01 Jun 23 - 07:15 AM (#4173575) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel A petite young lady named Reality released only one document to the press It was about Russian bots in our elections That was called espionage and she served 5 years in prison. If the words espionage are in his indictment Trump is in deep feces. One stolen document was our Iran attack plans Even if he merely intended to sell it to Iran Donald could be charged with treason. |
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01 Jun 23 - 07:43 AM (#4173578) Subject: RE: WOKE WAR 3 WW3 From: Donuel The war on Woke is going violent. Brandishing AR 15s people are destroying 'Pride merchandise', and harassing employees. Boycotting Chic Fillet for their diversity employee requirement is their message. BOMB THREATS and intimidation are being reported. Book bans are part of their strategy. The perpetrators are a small group and 75% of Americans are fine with gays but violence magnifies the woke war. D Santis is pleased with a wuke war. |
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01 Jun 23 - 09:21 AM (#4173586) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel HOORAY It's Narcissistic Abuse Awareness Day. |
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01 Jun 23 - 11:42 AM (#4173598) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage It was reported this week on MSNBC that Trump has started asking his people to make lists of individuals to fire or otherwise abuse. The special prosecutor and others are working to shield jury members and staff who work on these Trump cases so that should the most awful scenario of Trump in the White House happen again, he can't purge everyone who ever worked on his case. That seems to count as narcissistic awareness. |
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01 Jun 23 - 12:14 PM (#4173605) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump pledged, "If I am the next President the prosecutors will be fired/removed, outta here". . |
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02 Jun 23 - 05:52 AM (#4173647) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Ah June my favorite month. A perfect month to indict Trump up the WAZOO with open and shut cases. |
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02 Jun 23 - 03:55 PM (#4173679) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Judge denies bid to derail E. Jean Carroll case because Trump is a persecuted 'white Christian' Judge Lewis Kaplan dismissed a motion from a Donald Trump ally to dismiss E. Jean Carroll's 2019 defamation case because he's being persecuted for being a white Christian. No surprise that Kaplan makes it clear that Brady has no standing to intervene. |
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03 Jun 23 - 05:28 AM (#4173717) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel What next, will he make a motion that he is a God and is immune to prosecution? Ceasar tried that one but the Senate had an answer to that one. Christian fascism and antisemitism are bringing people together but perhaps not enough to save their leader. If he thinks he can replace Christ, he is going to have to be tortured to death first and be resurrected, which is not that hard with a big lie. ah Oh... there goes my satire alarm. It tells me when the truth crosses the line and might cause someone pain. Oh well, its 5 in the morning so I am likely to be honest. |
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03 Jun 23 - 02:29 PM (#4173759) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Sometimes releasing documents can get you a medal and not a prison sentence. Daniel Ellsberg released the Pentagon Papers to the NYT. Julian Assange and Snowden got a raw deal. |
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03 Jun 23 - 06:27 PM (#4173775) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel While Trump isn't religious he wishes people were more like the Duggar family well beyond his base. The Family Research Council is all in for Trump. After all, perversion is not a problem for Trumpers, it's a blessing. |
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04 Jun 23 - 08:13 AM (#4173804) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The US is subject to the same danger of religious rule as Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and other nations, except it is by Christianity and not Islam. |
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07 Jun 23 - 06:14 AM (#4174013) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Mark Meadows, Trump's chief of staff, TESTIFIED in the documents case. We don't know what he said yet. |
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07 Jun 23 - 06:40 PM (#4174082) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The Trump cases are circling the drain now, any time these things are going to go down (sorry about the mixed metaphors). But I like the image of Trump being flushed or ending up in the sewer. That extra grand jury in Florida we just learned about seems to be for those Trump staffers at Mar-a-lago who were never in D.C., so the appropriate place to examine their participation in Trump crimes is in Florida. And this is the place where they may be able to make deals - testimony for leniency or no charges in return for telling what they know about Trump and Giuliani and a few of the other Trump lieutenants. Meanwhile, I knew there wouldn't be many breaths drawn between the breaking account of the PGA merger with the LIV Saudi golf league and news of Trump's gloating about it. The golfers who didn't take the Saudi money have good reason to be pissed that management took the bucks. And Trump just makes like a bandit. |
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07 Jun 23 - 06:42 PM (#4174083) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel boom boom boom boom boom RAMMING SPEED Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom Things are gearing up. |
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08 Jun 23 - 12:15 AM (#4174103) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen I read this article about Jeffrey Epstein in prison, holding his hands over his ears because a faulty toilet was making too much noise in his cell and he was trapped and couldn't get away from it. I thought of Trump, when he gets his just desserts and goes to prison, with extremely limited facilities and no staff at his beck and call. How to drive a sociopath nuts. Documents reveal new details about lead-up and aftermath to Jeffrey Epstein's death "Two weeks before ending his life, Jeffrey Epstein sat in the corner of his Manhattan jail cell with his hands over his ears, desperate to muffle the sound of a toilet that would not stop running." |
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08 Jun 23 - 04:02 AM (#4174110) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw For it is written: “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the Lord.” Fantasising about the prospect of a miserable existence for Trump in prison is futile. There is just one urgent matter, and that is to get him out of the way so that he can no longer influence events, specifically stopping him from becoming president again. The clock is ticking. |
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08 Jun 23 - 04:16 AM (#4174111) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome This BBC article gives us quite a bit of hope. How big are Donald Trump's legal problems? |
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08 Jun 23 - 05:35 AM (#4174115) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel It is conceivable that Trump could have a scheduling conflict on INAUGURATION DAY should he somehow win. In the unlikely event that he report to prison at 9 AM on the same day, what to do what to do? Taking the oath to the Constitution from behind bars with a toilet behind him would be iconic. Of course Trump supporters are revolting, calling the law a weaponization of the government. I concede that the law has always been a weapon against crime. |
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08 Jun 23 - 05:56 AM (#4174116) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Oh yes, how delicious it is to dream about Trump's prospective tribulations behind bars. Just get him there first. As I said, the clock is ticking. |
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08 Jun 23 - 10:04 AM (#4174130) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw When he gets his just desserts and goes to prison? Finish off your Portuguese custard tarts, Eton Mess and Victoria sponge, Donald - you're off to jail! |
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08 Jun 23 - 11:01 AM (#4174134) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The Donald has refined his art of the deal since his days of extravagance. Like the game show Let's Make a Deal, Trump has found a way to deliver a Zonk to anyone who makes a deal with him. It's a very American phenomenon stemming from super capitalism. His true calling could have been a rainmaker for an exorbitant fee. |
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08 Jun 23 - 12:05 PM (#4174138) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump's supporter are revolting. The adjective, not the verb. One of his supporters kicked the bucket today. If there were a heaven, Pat would never get there. With Donald, it is the Art of the Steal, to grab as much cash by under- or over-valuing (as the situation dictates) to end up paying less and earning more. That's why he loves this new PGA-LIV golf "merger." The head of the PGA sold his soul and they'll resume paying to play at his golf establishments again. Trump was informed that he is the target of a criminal probe. Former President Donald Trump's lawyers have been informed that he is a target of the federal criminal investigation into possible mishandling of classified information after he left office, according to three sources knowledgeable about the communication between the two sides. This was the story on MSNBC last night. |
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08 Jun 23 - 12:32 PM (#4174141) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Good on you for getting the double entendre. Trump's defense has indicated that they will try and prove the Justice dept did something wrong and it is unfair. Jack Smith seems to be too careful to fall prey to that tactic. The Trump lawyers probably feel desperate for good reason. If all they can do is accuse the accusers they are toast. |
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08 Jun 23 - 12:55 PM (#4174144) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman ”It is conceivable that Trump…should he somehow win.” When I hear Trump supporters, as I have on a significant number of occasions recently, coming out with stuff like, “He has been put on Earth by God to be the President in perpetuity”, and declaring that Trump is actually the President right now and, along with a group of cohorts, is running the US under cover from Mar-a-Lago, whilst President Biden has been executed and actors are ‘playing’ him and all of the Senators and Representatives in Congress, I’m persuaded that there’s every chance of Trump’s re-election in 2024. It’s pretty clear that a significant number of American voters are probably misinformed and brainwashed enough to bring it about, aided and abetted by the archaic election system. Be afraid, be very afraid. |
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08 Jun 23 - 01:11 PM (#4174147) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Every attempt to nail him for breaking the law that ends in failure strengthens him. That's the fear that pervades his enemies and the whole of the justice system. In the same way, the US lives in fear of the gun lobby, the pro-Israeli regime lobby and the big oil lobby. From this end it looks like paralysis, and BWM is right. Carry on like that and he WILL be the next president. Fortune favours the brave. |
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08 Jun 23 - 01:20 PM (#4174150) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Despite a few outliers, most American women hate Trump. Hate that his supreme court overturned Roe V. Wade. Pissed off women will prevail. |
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08 Jun 23 - 01:30 PM (#4174152) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome If they believe that the orange one won the last election then this is his second term of office and he can't stand again. Sorted! |
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08 Jun 23 - 03:41 PM (#4174157) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen In early use desert was often used in the singular, and just desert might not refer to a punishment, but to anything that was deserved. In modern use it is typically found in the plural, and just deserts almost always is in reference to a deserved punishment, rather than a reward. And remember that just deserts has nothing to do with post-prandial sweets, unless it is that the punishment that you deserve is to receive none of these things. |
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08 Jun 23 - 03:46 PM (#4174158) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw You spelled it with two esses. You can't have your cake and eat it. |
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08 Jun 23 - 03:53 PM (#4174159) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor If the old fraud is incarcerated I hope he winds up in a facility that doesn't allow Soap on a rope. |
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08 Jun 23 - 05:41 PM (#4174174) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage In middle school my teacher reminded us that desert with one S is the dry place, and dessert has two Ss because you want more. Or something along those lines. I've always heard "just desserts" and assumed it was what someone deserved at the metaphorical end of their meal (or life or actions). Trump certainly has something coming to him. |
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08 Jun 23 - 07:17 PM (#4174182) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Sorry, my bad. I forgot to put the quoted last paragraph from the Merriam-Webster page in quotes: "In early use desert was often used...." |
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08 Jun 23 - 08:54 PM (#4174189) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw The etymology isn't difficult. It's just deserts/what he deserves. Deserts/deserves, geddit? Desserts can only ever mean puddings/sweets. Just desserts means that you go to a restaurant and get told that all they have is ice cream, chocolate brownies or spotted dick with custard. Speaking of a baddie who you hope will get his come-uppance as getting his just desserts is just wrong, and always was! |
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08 Jun 23 - 09:05 PM (#4174194) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage CNN has become less reliable with the company power struggle, but I think everyone here can read it (no payway). Donald Trump indicted in classified documents probe, sources say. Trump has been charged with seven counts in the indictment, according to another source familiar with the matter. |
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08 Jun 23 - 10:41 PM (#4174195) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen I get it - you don't get the joke. Ok. But repeating yourself is not useful or even entertaining. What type of desserts are served by the department of Justice in prison? I doubt whether they will be of the same level of excellence as the desserts he gets in his usual places of residence. And how important will prison food be to him if/when he is given a prison sentence? My guess is, VERY important. Whatevs! |
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09 Jun 23 - 01:06 PM (#4174196) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I didn't make a joke and I certainly didn't repeat the the desserts - I mentioned the puds in two posts, six desserts, all different! Maybe we should show the posts to Donald when he's behind bars, along with photos of them, then tell him he can't have any. That'll piss him off! Looks like things are stepping up today, what with charges being made. It said on the Beeb news that further charges could be months away and any trial could easily be a year away. So the campaigning period could be an interesting mess. |
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09 Jun 23 - 01:09 PM (#4174197) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The indictment is sealed and no one apart from the court knows what is in it except a list of charges reported by Trump's lawyers. The most serious is the espionage charge. trump likes to get out ahead of some issues to spin it. The spin so far is that Biden did this and has weaponized government. To which I say the justice dept. did this alone and that the law is and has always been a weapon against crime and criminals. When the indictment is officially unsealed more precise analysis can be done. |
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09 Jun 23 - 01:33 PM (#4174199) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Joe Biden needs to step away from the controversies over Trump. So far, he is doing just that and I think he's wise to do so. You don't hear him mentioning Trump. If he were to break that silence, Trump would claim that it's him versus the government and that he's the victim of a witch-hunt. At the moment there isn't much traction in that claim and it needs to be kept that way. |
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09 Jun 23 - 01:53 PM (#4174202) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Biden is required to do so. It was Trump who illegally commented on other people's trials. BTW the indictment is just now unsealed. ONE CHARGE INVOLVES DISSEMINATION OF CLASSIFIED MATERIAL yikes that's heavy |
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09 Jun 23 - 02:45 PM (#4174205) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel 37 counts against Trump. The evidence includes hours of recordings (made by lawyers who were asked to commit criminal acts) There are recordings that made me laugh of the people ordered to hide the boxes such as "There is a shower where we can hide some boxes". Trump has managed to obtain a renowned and excellent trial lawyer. |
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09 Jun 23 - 04:17 PM (#4174208) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The full indictment - PDF 49 pages. MSNBC is reading it and discussing on the air now. Fascinating. And Trump will be convicted based upon his own words. |
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09 Jun 23 - 04:34 PM (#4174211) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I think that the question "When?" is germane... |
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09 Jun 23 - 04:46 PM (#4174215) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen To clarify, my joke was: "...I thought of Trump, when he gets his [Department of] Just[ice] desserts and goes to prison". I don't know what desserts they serve in prison, but I expect that jam on toast might be the best that he will get. |
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09 Jun 23 - 04:58 PM (#4174217) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Jam on toast, maybe because his dough has gone sour? |
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09 Jun 23 - 07:18 PM (#4174228) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump might have been a PR magician if he were not such an arrogant dope. He must have been born with a silver service in his mouth. Like Nixon one could say it was not just the crime, it was the cover-up/obstruction. There are reams of relevant tapes of Trump just like Nixon. |
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09 Jun 23 - 08:17 PM (#4174231) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen SRS, thanks for the link to the full indictment. I managed to read it all. Sections 22 & 23 - "TRUMP's Public Statements on Classified Information" - made me laugh out loud. Hoist by his own petard, indeed! For example: "22. As a candidate for President of the United States, TRUMP made the following public statements, among others, about classified information: "a. On August 18, 2016 , TRUMP stated , In my administration going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law" ...and four more statements he made in 2016 and one in 2018. I'm laying bets that that will jump up and bite him on the behind. |
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09 Jun 23 - 10:03 PM (#4174239) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The random appointment of Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump-appointed judge, has the power to dismiss the entire case come arraignment time. Or she could delay the case for many months - which she did for Trump before. 2 Courts of Appeal did overrule her other rulings regarding Trump. I did not expect this unfortunate turning of the screw. All she needs to do is make 2 crazy rulings that get appealed and the case goes past the election. Or as I said before, she could dismiss the entire case! |
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10 Jun 23 - 08:30 AM (#4174260) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel It goes to show there are no guarantees. This development might be a good thing or another impossible advantage for The Donald. Perhaps you recall my short story The Devil and Donald Trump where he sold his soul to be above the law. Sometimes it feels like it's not fiction. |
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10 Jun 23 - 11:27 AM (#4174280) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage She has to answer to the court above her, the one that reversed her twice last time. Smith has another case against Trump that will be filed in the D.C. courts, and Cannon will have no impact on that. |
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10 Jun 23 - 12:30 PM (#4174288) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump's supporters are restless - those who haven't been charged in Jan. 6 offenses yet: ‘We Need to Start Killing’: Trump’s Far-Right Supporters Are Threatening Civil War Within minutes of Trump’s indictment, supporters lit up social media platforms with violent threats and calls for civil war. In what is becoming a now all-too-familiar trend, former President Donald Trump’s far-right supporters have threatened civil war after news broke Thursday that the former president was indicted for allegedly taking classified documents from the White House without permission. Trump and his spokespeople are all about Tu quoque rhetorical antics - "whataboutism" has them suggesting Biden and his family and Hillary and others have done heinous things and they should be on trial instead. Meaning, they have NO defense. |
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10 Jun 23 - 02:56 PM (#4174297) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump has asked people to hunt down his prosecutor and his wife. I was wrong about people not being willing to put their life in jeopardy regarding the call to attack the Capitol. Losers who blame another race or political party are in fact willing to do crazy acts of revolting violence. That they are willing to do violence in behalf of their actual con man oppressor is bizarre, but supports my hypnosis theory. Time will tell. Trump is the Queen of Hearts of the through the looking-glass reality. |
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10 Jun 23 - 03:19 PM (#4174298) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel We had a 'Know Nothing' political party. Now we have a 'No Evidence' party willing to declare civil war. I have remarked how I have heard civil war noise for 15 years, after Ruby Ridge and Waco. We, the federalists, have quite a collection of nonlethal crowd weapons. One uses acoustics to make people throw up and lose consciousness. We also have ordinary lethal ones. I have personally felt the effect of microwave weapons. Let them wage their Charge of the Right Brigade. |
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10 Jun 23 - 04:06 PM (#4174299) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Despite fatigue, despite fatigue despite fatigue onward, All up the hill of Truth drove the six thousand. "Forward, the Right Brigade! Charge for our Trump!" he said Up the Hill of Truth drove the six thousand “Forward, the Right Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the fascists knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Up the hill of Truth Drove the six thousand. Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon in front of them Volleyed and thundered; Stormed at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well, Into the jaws of Truth, Into the mouth of hell Drove the three thousand. Flashed all their Trump flags bare, Flashed as they turned in air Dieing by dozens there, Charging an army, while All the world wondered. Plunged into the battery-smoke Right through the line they broke; Red necks and bigots Reeled in the cannon smoke Shattered and sundered. Then they drove back, but not Not the six thousand. Marines to right of them, Army to left of them, The Guard behind them Volleyed and thundered; Stormed at with shot and shell, While Chevys and heros fell. They that had charged so well Came through the jaws of Death, Back from the mouth of hell, All that was left of them, Left were six hundred. When can their glory fade? O the wild charge they made! All the world wondered. What was the charge they made! What was the right Brigade, Trump's idiots! based on... |
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10 Jun 23 - 06:34 PM (#4174308) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Squabbling posts have been deleted. Would all of you please stop the bickering and just ignore the posts you don't like? If your complaint is deleted, then don't post it again. It was seen the first time. |
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11 Jun 23 - 04:01 AM (#4174333) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Donuel, your song reminded me of this one: "Stuck In The Middle With You" Well, you started off with nothing And you're proud that you're a self-made man And your friends they all come crawlin' Slap you on the back and say, "Please, please" Trying to make some sense of it all But I can see it makes no sense at all Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor? Well, I don't think I can take anymore Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right Here I am, stuck in the middle with you I thought that it was just a thought bubble and that it wasn't relevant to this discussion, but then I wondered whether it could relate to those poor unfortunate other Republican presidential candidates who are stuck in the middle between extremes with not a lot of room to move. |
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11 Jun 23 - 06:51 AM (#4174340) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel All of the evidence and testimony is coming from Trump and his own people/employees, White House staff and at his home in his own State. Even his own personally appointed judge is involved. Will this fact be lost on his base? I say yes. Republicans all doubled down for the insurrection within weeks. Those who now have changed their tune were hypocrites for Trump at a critical time. Only the prosecutor is outside Donald's sphere. Trump's unhinged threats against him are a violent disgrace. This case makes Richard Nixon look like a choir boy. |
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11 Jun 23 - 07:20 AM (#4174343) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel factoid: Trump is entitled to life long Secret Service protection. If jailed would the SS cede protection to the Bureau of Prisons? An electronic ankle bracelet might be an alternative. |
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11 Jun 23 - 08:18 PM (#4174358) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Donald Trump's former attorney-general William Barr says 'he's toast' if indictment allegations are proven true. I'm hoping for just plain, dry toast but no jam. :-D |
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11 Jun 23 - 08:36 PM (#4174359) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Be assured that there is a very long way to go. This man has massive support in the country. That hardly counts for nothing, does it? Rather than talking about how we hope he'll be miserable in jail, etc., we could be talking about the severe threat to democracy that he poses. As he's a big Putin supporter, we could also be talking about the threat to Ukraine if he prevails. And it wouldn't just be Ukraine, would it? Where's the urgency, yanks? |
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11 Jun 23 - 09:06 PM (#4174362) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I have my money on the Archivists taking him down. They warned him, if he didn't return the documents they'd sic the Department of Justice on him. Even with the twit judge who Trump appointed on the bench in Florida, she can be forced to recuse herself. The things he is charged with are serious enough to keep him out of office ever again. |
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11 Jun 23 - 11:03 PM (#4174371) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I'm a Yank and I have mentioned some urgency once or twice. |
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12 Jun 23 - 10:17 AM (#4174389) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Silvio Berlusconi's death is liable to bring up lots of comparison of their personal, financial, and political antics. |
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12 Jun 23 - 12:08 PM (#4174406) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Did you know? As president, Trump approved a law increasing penalties for mishandling classified info. It could come back to bite him. In 2018. Trump signed the bill, which made changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, into law in January 2018. The ass thought he could use that law to clobber Hillary. This blade swings both ways. |
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12 Jun 23 - 12:38 PM (#4174408) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > That they are willing to do violence in behalf of their actual con man > oppressor is bizarre It's called Sado-Populism --- once you've disengaged their critical faculties, they're lost to sense. We get the same over here (Herself has said "They've drunk the Kool Aid" twice this afternoon), but thankfully without guns. First rule of Extremism Club: Turn the rabble against your worst enemy: the intellectuals. |
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12 Jun 23 - 04:10 PM (#4174417) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel MaJoC the Filk is CCCP. Constant Consecutively Correct Poster. |
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12 Jun 23 - 06:16 PM (#4174427) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Make America Grift Again, Bust him out of jail There are more parallels with Hitler except Adolf was much younger for his prison years after his Beerhall insurrection. Donald is 77. Hitler's prison book was 'My Struggle'. Trump's prison book will be 'Witch Hunt'. |
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13 Jun 23 - 11:20 AM (#4174449) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Into the valley of death rode the valliant... 600! |
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13 Jun 23 - 11:24 AM (#4174451) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage 3pm Eastern the circus begins, is my understanding. I expect to be at the gym but I can pull up MSNBC on my phone. |
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13 Jun 23 - 12:54 PM (#4174461) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel MSNBC has gone silly with their red and black American flag set and the deca box of contributors. It's like their version of the Super Bowl. Now they are doing micro-stories about yellow police tape vs. hardened barriers like 'bike racks'. This is a good time to mow the grass. |
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13 Jun 23 - 01:24 PM (#4174463) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump's getting arraigned at the court house ding dong the fur is going to fly there won't be some hand cuffs or perp walks with rough stuff so get me to the court on time... |
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13 Jun 23 - 01:48 PM (#4174466) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Now they have endless live coverage of three black SUVs led by a police car, going down the highway. It reminds me of OJ's white Bronco followed by police cars. |
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13 Jun 23 - 04:41 PM (#4174472) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel No bail, no passport seizure, no mugshot, no return to court date. The goalposts are on roller skates. The ex-Republican President has a congress that is willing to ignore, delay and lie for him as the rule of law is symbolically applied. |
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13 Jun 23 - 05:15 PM (#4174476) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage There are difficulties about Trump discussing the case with many witnesses (he's not supposed to), since so many of them work for him. First among that group is his main henchman Nauta, who moved boxes so many times. Trump ordered to not speak with Walt Nauta, witnesses about documents case: reports. Nauta was having trouble getting an attorney, so his pleading in this is in two weeks' time. Depending on how difficult things are for him, his loyalty to the Golem of the White House is being tested. If he flips, that makes things a lot easier for him (but the death threats from the MAGA crowd will follow.) |
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13 Jun 23 - 05:58 PM (#4174479) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw If Trump faces a jury, he has to be found guilty by a unanimous verdict. Anyone betting on that? In addition, no conviction can stop him from running again and becoming your next president. He has as much public support for the Republican candidature as all the other candidates put together. Seems to me that it's all been left too late. Had he been behind bars for the last twelve or eighteen months, it would be very different. So it looks like it's all in the hands of those seventy million emptyheads who are sure to vote for him again. |
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13 Jun 23 - 05:59 PM (#4174480) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel All it takes is one fanatic that is as unhinged as Trump Tower's revolving front door. |
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13 Jun 23 - 06:04 PM (#4174483) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel There is a conviction that would bar him from holding office. Do you want to guess or shall I tell you? Hint: he has done it already. |
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13 Jun 23 - 07:33 PM (#4174488) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The sedition charge is going to come in Washington, D.C., and the head of the Proud Boys, who is now serving a long term after being found guilty of sedition, is predicting that Trump will also be found guilty. There are many ways this can play out. You need to look into the history of how the Justice Department got Spiro Agnew out of the vice presidency before Nixon was taken down. If he'd become president it would have been hell to pay, but they convinced him to resign and no longer run in order to make all of the charges go away. That kind of leverage is still available to the Justice Department. Anyone found guilty of sedition can not hold any elected office in the federal government. Even if there was a federal dog catcher. |
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13 Jun 23 - 08:03 PM (#4174491) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The Documents case for Dummies: This case is about the Fed Bath and Beyond a reasonable doubt. Trump asked his lawyer about committing a crime. The Lawyer said No, Crime bad. Donald did it anyway. |
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14 Jun 23 - 01:14 PM (#4174541) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Big Al Whittle Does the American justice system make use of the concept 'contempt of court'? I have never see more contempt of the court process than Donald Trump's speech last night expressed. |
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14 Jun 23 - 03:13 PM (#4174552) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I think it actually has to happen either in the court, or flying in the face of instructions given by the court about speech regarding the case during the case. Trump and his son-in-law meddled in Israel, a place that has way too much privilege in connection with the US. Israeli travel in US - with no visas? I wonder if the US is going to pull the US Embassy back out of Jerusalem where Trump put it, despite the political fallout? The whole thing should be moved back to Tel Aviv. |
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14 Jun 23 - 05:00 PM (#4174563) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel It is said Trump is running for a pardon from a Republican 'winner'. He uses 'Godfather speak' to ask others to harm witnesses and opponents. |
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15 Jun 23 - 05:32 AM (#4174589) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Take heed, USAians. This is how we do it in the UK :-D From the Sky News site "A parliamentary inquiry has concluded that Boris Johnson knowingly misled parliament multiple times with his statements about parties in Downing Street during the COVID pandemic. The privileges committee of MPs found Mr Johnson's breaches serious enough to recommend a suspension of 90 days if he were still an MP - far exceeding the period needed to trigger a recall petition and possible by-election. In the highly anticipated report, published this morning, the committee found that Mr Johnson: • Misled the house on multiple occasions • Committed further contempt in his conduct by impugning the committee - thereby undermining the democratic process of the House • Was complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee In a further sanction, the committee also recommended that Mr Johnson should not be granted a former member's pass to parliament following his resignation as an MP. " |
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15 Jun 23 - 07:54 AM (#4174602) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome I only put the Johnson thing on to compare the treatment of the two. Let's keep the Bozo arguments on the UK politics thread eh? |
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15 Jun 23 - 10:47 AM (#4174620) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The posts that arrived between the last two of Dave's were moved to the UK thread. I'm sure that's a topic people will want to mine some more, but on that other stage is better. A similarity in US and UK politics, though, is the amount of Russian interference. It has been stated (by whom I don't remember) that the Russian interference in social media with bots spouting political crap was hugely responsible in influencing people to vote for Brexit. They were being sneaky about it. With regard to Trump and things like disabling (or even leaving) NATO, the War in Ukraine, treatment of Iran and the nuclear treaty he dismantled, etc., the Russians visited him in the White House and told him what they wanted. He shared state secrets with them, and said he trusted Russia more than the FBI. I really really hope the FBI and the State Department are fingerprinting every document they took from Trump's house to see who all touched them. |
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15 Jun 23 - 01:07 PM (#4174623) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel "Rules, laws and taxes are for losers and suckers" quote: An ex-President of the USA |
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15 Jun 23 - 02:00 PM (#4174629) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Nicole Wallace on MSNBC rattles off her description of 45 when she speaks about him - something along the lines of "the twice impeached, twice indicted, sexual assaulter ex-president of the United States." |
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15 Jun 23 - 03:50 PM (#4174638) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I tried to make a comparison here between what Trump is doing and what Boris Johnson is doing. I drew parallels between what these two men are doing and I think it's a comparison that is well worth making and well worth thinking about. There are several similarities between their actions which could potentially have a large impact on western politics. I really don't know why you moved that post. I did try to keep it on topic with regard to Trump. Ho hum, Maggie. |
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15 Jun 23 - 04:52 PM (#4174645) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk (*ahem*) I think you'll find the message in question here, Steve; threads as displayed appear to be sorted by datestamp, so your transplanted one will appear before entries on the same target thread written later in time. That threw me for a wee while too, till I checked the in-message Subject lines. |
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15 Jun 23 - 04:54 PM (#4174646) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel When Boris has an armed insurrection get back to us. Our last insurrection had a snowball's chance in hell. Talking heads are saying expect another one, once Trump loses this case or two. I think another one will have a snowball's chance on the Sun. |
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15 Jun 23 - 04:57 PM (#4174650) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Big Al Whittle Doesn't really compare. Boris had some mates round for a few sausage rolls and vol au vents and lied about it. Trump tried to get a mob to end democracy in America. The other difference is of course that the tories have chucked BJ out. Trump on the other hand is the front runner for the Republican nomination. |
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15 Jun 23 - 05:14 PM (#4174651) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome They both lie relentlessly to keep power so the comparison is valid, Al. Your reasoning could end up excusing Trump because he's not as bad as Putin! |
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15 Jun 23 - 05:21 PM (#4174653) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk I've heard de Pfeffel described today as "Poundland Trump". But if you want a fuller compare-and-contrast:
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15 Jun 23 - 07:17 PM (#4174660) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Our dog's badder than your dog Our dog's badder than yours Our dog's badder cause he gives secrets out Our dog's badder than yours. |
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16 Jun 23 - 12:26 AM (#4174682) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Big Al Whittle 'Your reasoning could end up excusing Trump because he's not as bad as Putin!' I've got to admit I find the current crop of tories, not as distasteful as the ones of the Thatcher era. Surely any progress a political party makes is to be applauded. Don't get me wrong I know where my loyalties lie. However that the tory grandees have got rid of BJ speaks volumes. Plus I think the partygate bollocks shows how much Labour fear his populism and charisma. |
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16 Jun 23 - 01:00 PM (#4174695) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I wish Tom Lehrer would start writing songs again. Randy Rainbow does a good job, but I'd love to see Lehrer's spin on Trump. |
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16 Jun 23 - 05:16 PM (#4174705) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen This article never refers to Trump by name, but instead uses comical monikers and references to his past misdemeanors and failures: Florida man insists he didn't violate the law by keeping Top Secret docs |
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16 Jun 23 - 06:25 PM (#4174708) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel What is popular among talking heads with no new news to report, is discussing the possible defense strategies for Trump and then dissecting them to death. Only the coming realities will be worth discussing. Imagine yourself for one reason or another you went all in for Trump. Admitting his or your own evil is as problematic as hell. It is easier to feel righteous and become more vindictive. You might want to jail all your opponents. You might want to kill. Progressives should not give them more ammunition. |
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16 Jun 23 - 09:31 PM (#4174721) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The Complete GUIDE TO THE MAGA CULTURE WAR: Pardon all convicts victimized by Democratic weaponization of law Victimize and destroy any opponent by way of weaponizing law Defund FBI, DOJ, and replace the CONSTITUTION Destroy all woke books, media, and Democracy Make MAGA history the only true history Keep .... the following goals a secret Take away all women's right to vote REMOVE WOMEN'S RIGHTS TO HEALTHCARE Remove all women's right to serve Make our President serve for life Make minorities NOT MATTER Make blacks slaves again Remove the courts Burn the jew |
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17 Jun 23 - 10:37 AM (#4174768) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump and McConnell et al are the talking heads propelled by the Koch brothers and the Federalist Society and more. |
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17 Jun 23 - 11:09 AM (#4174770) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Agent Orange is more like their useful idiot, SRS. I've no idea whether Messrs Dunning and Kruger have weighed in on that Stable GeniusTM yet. |
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18 Jun 23 - 12:56 PM (#4174860) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The disabled genius has promised a mass retribution against the indicters. The revenge of the turd will make the wrath of Con look like Snow White. |
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18 Jun 23 - 04:49 PM (#4174873) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome The wrath of con? |
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18 Jun 23 - 05:06 PM (#4174875) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Monique Dave, when I saw it I read it as an English/French mix that would translate in French as "La colère des cons" and in English as "The wrath of the idiots/plonkers/assholes" (you get the meaning...). But Donuel will give us the proper meaning! |
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18 Jun 23 - 07:01 PM (#4174883) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Con means cunt. Ignore the euphemisers. |
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19 Jun 23 - 02:20 AM (#4174901) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Language Timothy! ;-) |
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19 Jun 23 - 04:23 AM (#4174904) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I'm never a c-er and f-er in my posts (unlike in real life) but I'm not a fan of pusillanimous euphemisms, still less of that silly use of asterisks, as in f*** off. I enjoy taking the p*iss out of the daft b*ugg*ers who do that by leaving all the letters in whilst sticking in the asterisks anyway. |
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19 Jun 23 - 04:54 AM (#4174905) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk One of my trade euphemisms is "fsck": it's the name of the file-system checker in UNIX Classic, but is often seen as a term of frustration (if you have to invoke the program at the command line, you are by definition already having a Bad Day). One of the most hilarious exchanges on a certain technical talker involved one of the regulars logging on and fulminating at length about the "fsckwits" in management, whose wetware was clearly suffering bit rot. |
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19 Jun 23 - 05:11 AM (#4174907) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Can we stick to the topic and be civilised, please. |
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19 Jun 23 - 06:09 AM (#4174910) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel nerd-turd, Khan-con, etc. We know some folks are not a fan of anything. There's more talk about pardons that conviction among Republicans. |
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19 Jun 23 - 06:39 AM (#4174911) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Chris Christi calls Trump a 9 year old petulant child. John Meechum calls him a highjacker cheered by the highjacked. Psychologists call him a narcissistic psychopath. HIS FORMER ADVISORS call him dangerous. The military says he can/t be trusted. I say psychopaths are glib, cleverly charming for self-importance and dangerous to varying degrees. |
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19 Jun 23 - 06:45 AM (#4174912) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman ‘Cleverly charming’? Trump?? A cold, day-old dog-turd has more intelligence and charm than Trump. |
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19 Jun 23 - 06:58 AM (#4174915) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Like Trump, a narcissist will aggrandize their own name. They do not like to be called out for who they actually are. They can not control their revenge. Among the Narcissist Checklist, here are some defining traits that usually indicate you are dealing with a narcissist: Being self-enamored, self-absorbed A strong need for control Demonstrating low levels of empathy An attitude of entitlement Chronically mismanaged anger Manipulative or exploitive behavior Feeling superiority over others Living in an alternate reality Being pathologically defensive. https://survivingnarcissism.tv/the-narcissist-checklist/ |
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19 Jun 23 - 07:24 AM (#4174917) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Yes, come along now, ladies and gents. Helen and I want y'all to be civilised. Though it could be argued that it isn't easy when discussing one of the most uncivilised people on the world stage... |
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19 Jun 23 - 07:25 AM (#4174919) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Clearly, followers who fall for the narcissist are not highly evolved or find a personal advantage for themselves. |
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19 Jun 23 - 07:35 AM (#4174921) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Do I detect an attempt at charm? |
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19 Jun 23 - 07:47 AM (#4174925) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw "Clearly, followers who fall for the narcissist are not highly evolved" Not helpful. Misguided, lacking in political education or both would be better. Referring to human beings as being lower on the evolutionary ladder smacks of a form of racism. Incidentally, in discussing Trump I think we should call him Trump, not the Orange One, the narcissist, Agent Orange, etc. We can't be dispassionate or particularly objective when we insist on using these loaded terms. It's a free country, of course. |
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19 Jun 23 - 08:09 AM (#4174929) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Being pathologically defensive is a trait of narcissism. I do not know where narcissists are on an evolutionary ladder or how their traits may be an advantage to survival of the species under various circumstances. They are a danger in a nuclear weapon civilization. |
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19 Jun 23 - 09:57 AM (#4174947) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In the same stadium where Hiter presided over the most hateful and contemptuous regime, the Special Olympics is now underway showing the courage and inclusiveness of social change. Change is possible if not inevitable. |
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19 Jun 23 - 10:00 AM (#4174948) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome My therapist says I'm a delusional narcissist who uses dismissive indignation as a coping mechanism That was really hard to hear from a stupid jealous piece of shit. |
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19 Jun 23 - 10:17 AM (#4174951) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw As far as I'm aware, we have no evidence that Trump stands in front of a mirror admiring himself or leafing languidly through photos of himself. The constant use of "narcissist" to define him (and to chuck veiled insults at other people) is both childish and tiresome. I sometimes think that the user of this overused word doesn't really know what it means. |
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19 Jun 23 - 10:48 AM (#4174956) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome I'm not sure about psychopath being used either. Sociopath seems more likely. |
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19 Jun 23 - 11:39 AM (#4174958) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Fading memory suggests that the term "psychopath" got hurled around with such gleeful inaccuracy by those outside the psychology trade (presumably after the release of Hitchcock's Psycho*) that it got dropped as an official diagnosis. Terms such as "narcissism" (in full, "malignant narcissism") may be going down the same drain. I suggest we all apply the Goldwater Rule, lest we dilute trade terms into uselessness. * I may wish to rephrase that. |
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19 Jun 23 - 12:14 PM (#4174960) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Your point is taken, Major, but I doubt there are any professionals here that need to adhere to the Goldwater rule. This, after all, is the B.S. section and there's a whole lot or BSing going on. Wasn't BG's campaign slogan, "In your heart you know he's right" and the retort was "In your guts you know he's nuts." |
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19 Jun 23 - 12:24 PM (#4174961) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Mary Trump diagnoses the president from 2020. Here's a little bit of the article: And Mary is not shy about diagnosing her uncle. Too Much and Never Enough is full of explanations for Trump’s behavior: abandonment issues, narcissism (a common theme in these psychological explorations), stunted emotional growth, caffeine dependence. All of these have combined to form a 74-year-old toddler who just happens to be the most powerful person on the planet. |
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19 Jun 23 - 02:29 PM (#4174965) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Well, I believe every word she says, but the term "diagnosis" has a fairly strict meaning within medical circles. And I'm not quite sure that this is the right context for that word. Tell me I'm wrong, but I suspect that there was no formal medical investigation carried out by her before she reached this, er, diagnosis. She was certainly more upclose and personal with him than you'd find in the average doctor-patient relationship and she had a dog or two in the fight to boot. Aside from that, I have no reason to doubt her conclusion. |
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19 Jun 23 - 03:50 PM (#4174969) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage A lot of this is subjective, but she has the insight from knowing her uncle and from interviews with family members. She's trained in the field. |
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19 Jun 23 - 03:54 PM (#4174970) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen From the article SRS mentioned: "Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man presents itself as the first genuine psychological portrait of Trump by a person who knows him well. It is written by the president’s niece, Mary L. Trump, who not only has the firsthand experience with the president and his family that his would-be shrinks lack, but is also herself a clinical psychologist by training." Mary Trump is a qualified clinical psychologist therefore she is capable and qualified to provide a psychological diagnosis. |
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19 Jun 23 - 04:04 PM (#4174973) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Hmm. A doctor makes a diagnosis after formal consultations with the patient and/or after looking at the results of medical tests. I'm not arguing either with you or her. But I am quibbling at the loose use of "diagnosis." Especially so with regard to the notoriously inexact science of psychoanalysis. And she's a close relative who hates him, with good reason, it seems. Doesn't help. |
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19 Jun 23 - 07:52 PM (#4174990) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Enough squabbling, Steve. She's trained in her field and is as close to having a diagnosis of Trump as anyone, but go do a search on the report filed by various medical health people during his administration. They were worried about his behavior. Today Trump was ordered to not share "discovery" Judge bars Trump from disclosing — or keeping — evidence in documents case Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart held that evidence Trump's team is set to receive from the government shall not be "disseminated on any news or social media platform." A federal judge issued a protective order Monday barring former President Donald Trump from disclosing on social media — or keeping — evidence set to be turned over to him by the government in the classified documents case. The rest of the article summarizes his criminal charges. |
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19 Jun 23 - 08:31 PM (#4174991) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Squabbling? Because you don't accept that we need to be strict about what "diagnosis" means? I think that you guys want to play rather fast and loose with the use of that word. I repeat. I do not disagree with her analysis. But her version is in no way a diagnosis in the strictly medical context. She dislikes him severely and yes, she knows him well. But she has massive non-medical issues with him. She is vulnerable to accusations of bias. You hate Trump, as do I, and you read a piece that confirms your already-cast in stone vilification of him. Fine, but that does reek of confirmation bias. Thing is, Maggie, that accusing someone who's trying, ok, to nitpick but on potentially justifiable terms, of "squabbling," is a rather dismal fallback. I think you know better. |
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19 Jun 23 - 10:23 PM (#4174994) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk I would have said "quibbling"; "squabbling" is what this exchange is. Less heat and more light in this discussion, *please*, folks. Would it help were I to withdraw the Goldwater Rule suggestion? which seems to have poured oil on troubled flames. |
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20 Jun 23 - 12:14 AM (#4174999) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Steve, you keep picking at subjects that everyone else is ready to move on from, and dismiss our opinions with your arguments, letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. This topic is about Trump. MaJoC, I considered using "quibbling," but it so often gets worse quickly, so just went for the next step. |
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20 Jun 23 - 01:02 AM (#4175000) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie 'Diagnose', to me, is a medical or at least, a clinical term. I don't know that 'analyse' is a less rigorous term but it is something we all do every day. So I'd go with analyse. On the other hand, I would guess that Mary Trump has the ability to diagnose.... |
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20 Jun 23 - 01:27 AM (#4175006) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Not that Yahoo news is particularly intrepid or durable, but it is probably readable in many places. Donald Trump, who claimed to only hire the best people, was thoroughly asked why so many key players of his administration do not want him to be president again. |
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20 Jun 23 - 04:20 AM (#4175012) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Analyse is good as it leaves room to declare your interests. Diagnose makes you sound dispassionate and objective, which, considering her very sour relationship with Trump, would be very difficult to achieve, especially with regard to a psychological assessment. And that's on top of the linguistically questionable use of the term diagnosis. And I'll take quibble any day, so thanks for that. |
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20 Jun 23 - 06:45 AM (#4175024) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The reason I do not use the term Sociopath for Trump is because a sociopath may still feel remorse guilt and empathy. Pxychopath is a better fit and is evident in one in five people to varying degrees. |
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20 Jun 23 - 08:15 AM (#4175033) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome One of the main traits of a psychopath is that they pretend to care while sociopaths make it obvious that they don't. I know what my money is on. Not that it matters as long as you rid yourself of him. |
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20 Jun 23 - 08:48 AM (#4175034) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Put a pin in this: When all is said and done and Trump is found guilty he will be given one last choice to serve prison time or agree to not hold any office again. I know Trump to be a coward. He will not choose prison. He could get pardoned by a Republican for other changes but I don't see people voting for a Trump pardon above all else. |
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20 Jun 23 - 09:01 AM (#4175035) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Even the most ardent Trump supporter sees their fearless leader covered in crumbs insisting that he did steal all the cookies but he didn't eat any. This won't change their minds entirely but it will temper their fervency. |
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20 Jun 23 - 09:26 AM (#4175038) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel THE TRIAL STARTS AUGUST 14 2023 |
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20 Jun 23 - 12:50 PM (#4175048) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage In the New York Times today the notice about the trial date was accompanied by information that in the only other trials (four) she has run she has generally set quick dates but they were pushed back. Conjecture is that she fears criticism for not knowing what she's doing (a rational fear, since she doesn't seem to have much of a clue. Most reporters covering the case have more time in court listening to hearings than she has in all of her experience of the law.) |
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20 Jun 23 - 02:39 PM (#4175056) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen It is an unenviable position for the Trump-appointed judge. I suspect she will be having sleepless nights about it, wavering between whether to pander to Trump or be true to her strict legal professional standards while under immense media and political scrutiny. |
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20 Jun 23 - 04:26 PM (#4175064) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel She will put her two weeks of trial experience to the test. I hope she delays her rulings for overnight homework. |
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20 Jun 23 - 04:56 PM (#4175069) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Julia Louis Dreyfus from Veep and Seinfeld would be good for the movie version of 'Judged'. |
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21 Jun 23 - 06:22 PM (#4175189) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump just can't help himself. He apparently did another interview on FAUX News that pundits on other networks say is just like a confession. Another confession. Jack Smith is facing an embarrassment of riches, to decide which public statement by Trump to use against him. |
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22 Jun 23 - 06:23 AM (#4175220) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I think Trump was expecting the usual soft ball interview on Fox and was shocked by Brett Baer's ruthless dissection of the elderly adolescent. |
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22 Jun 23 - 06:51 AM (#4175222) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > Trump just can't help himself. He's succumbing to what we call "the lure of the open mouth" in our family (I'm usually the chief offender). At least Richard Nixon didn't make a business suit look sleazy just be being inside it. <trumpvoice>Yum .... shoe leather ....</trumpvoice> |
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23 Jun 23 - 07:25 PM (#4175320) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Tricky Dick said "if a President does it, it's legal". |
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23 Jun 23 - 11:31 PM (#4175333) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Donuel, if you gathered all of Trump's comments into one long document, what percentage of them all would be self-contradictory? He also said, "no one is above the law" in one of his presidential campaign speeches when referring to people illegally keeping confidential documents. His opinions depend on which way the wind is blowing. Unfortunately the wind appears to be constantly circling around Trump like a perpetual tornado. LOL |
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24 Jun 23 - 12:22 AM (#4175335) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Whatever kind of atmospheric disturbance is around Trump, it is a gust of bad wind, akin to a fart. Trumpius can be the god of the mal wind. A derecho of flatulence. (The thesaurus is within reach of the computer.) |
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24 Jun 23 - 03:41 AM (#4175342) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Yes, well ... I can't argue with any of those statements. LOL |
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24 Jun 23 - 04:08 AM (#4175344) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" That's the actual quote, made by Richard Nixon in an interview. Not Trump. |
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24 Jun 23 - 06:05 AM (#4175353) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman ”That's the actual quote, made by Richard Nixon in an interview. Not Trump.” Whilst I hate defending him, Don didn’t mention Trumps, he said ‘Tricky Dicky’ said it. ‘Tricky Dicky’ was Nixon’s epithet, IIRC. |
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24 Jun 23 - 06:30 AM (#4175354) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I didn't say he was wrong (though the quote was inaccurate). Subsequent posters appear to have ascribed the quote to the wrong president/ex-president. |
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24 Jun 23 - 07:13 AM (#4175355) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Quote of the month: "A fart deracho" |
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24 Jun 23 - 12:48 PM (#4175384) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Daniel Ellsberg died last week. Time to rewatch The Post or All The President's Men or read one of the many fine books about the events around the Watergate breakin and the resignation of the president. Several of the Nixon-era people are the talking heads called upon today by news networks to discuss comparisons with the hot water Trump is in and the fix Nixon was facing (the pending 96-4 vote to impeach). |
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27 Jun 23 - 06:47 PM (#4175689) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel GOP's Greatest Hits. There were no documents...Trump There were no impeachments, they were expunged...McCarthy The Durham Report proves Russians never interfered with elections. If you have tapes, they are all AI deep fakes I will selectively end native-born citizenship...D.Santis. |
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28 Jun 23 - 11:02 AM (#4175724) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Listening to Trump trying to walk back what is in the recording ("I was just waving papers - I had lots of newspapers, and plans for the club") is a clue that his attorneys may have finally gotten through to him - he has to stop saying the papers are his and he has a right to them. That maybe he doesn't have any papers at all (at least not to show to ghost writers). |
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29 Jun 23 - 08:54 AM (#4175786) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel This year the latest Trump trial will be in December... I'm dreaming of a Trump Christmas Just like the trials I used to know Where the cameras glisten And children listen To hear jail cells closing in the snow, I said, I'm dreaming of a Trump Christmas With every MAGA hat he signs Tho' he screams and hollers and whines This Christmas will be about crimes. I said, I'm dreaming of a Trump Christmas Just like the ones I used to know Where reporters glisten And the jurors listen To testimony in the show I'm dreaming of a Trump Christmas With every bodyguard uptight Tho' it takes just one lone juror to hang Don't know what Trump Christmas' will bring I'm seeing more white fascists With every cable show broadcast May your days be merry and bright And may all your Trump rallies be white |
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29 Jun 23 - 09:45 AM (#4175790) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Dream on. He'll never go to jail. |
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29 Jun 23 - 10:13 AM (#4175794) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Like I said it only takes one juror to hang the jury. If a verdict is not unanimous there is no verdict. It is then up to the prosecution to retry the case or dismiss it. Mobsters often went free after just one juror was turned. |
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29 Jun 23 - 12:11 PM (#4175799) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage On a recent discussion of the "hung jury" scenario, particularly in Florida, the feeling is that Jack Smith will retry it, unless there has been a consequential outcome in Washington, D.C. to do with the Trump-led seditious coup. |
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02 Jul 23 - 08:25 PM (#4176002) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage A quip from "Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian" (a satire/humor site that takes aim at the intolerant right/GOP in general and Trump in particular): Indicted felon Donald J. Trump has the right to remain silent, but, apparently, the inability. And in another one of her posts: EVIDENCE AGAINST BIDEN: |
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03 Jul 23 - 10:59 AM (#4176035) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The "traditional" (abhorrent, awful, despicable, wretched, you name it) method of shutting down the Kennedy clan should never happen again, but I hope the Democrats are able to crowd out RFK Jr from all of the consipiracy theories he is introducing into Democratic politics. (The article is about "The First MAGA Democrat—Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is feeding Americans’ appetite for conspiracies.) Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s speech is warbling, crackling, scratchy—sort of like Marge Simpson’s. His voice, he told me, is “fucked up.” The official medical diagnosis is spasmodic dysphonia, a neurological disorder that causes involuntary spasms in the larynx. He didn’t always sound this way; his speaking style changed when he was in his 40s. Kennedy has said he suspects an influenza vaccine might have been the catalyst. This idea is not supported by science. |
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03 Jul 23 - 02:41 PM (#4176046) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Bill D It is really sad to see RFK Jr. buying in to all those theories. Some Republicans just use them to keep their base focused, but *belief* is an expression of a psychological need to justify an opinion. |
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04 Jul 23 - 03:01 PM (#4176090) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel RFK jr has 10 million dollars from a super PAC. It's not all democratic money. I am going out on a limb and say Trump is a bad influence. |
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04 Jul 23 - 05:17 PM (#4176096) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage It's easy to see the GOP folks throwing RFK Jr out there as a red herring to distract some in the Democratic party who aren't paying close attention. |
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05 Jul 23 - 05:04 AM (#4176123) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen I just watched an Oz TV show called Four Corners about Putin and a key aspect was the way he has related to five US presidents: Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. One of the comments was that Putin played Trump like a violin. |
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05 Jul 23 - 12:51 PM (#4176137) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump has a fondness for dictators, and they take full advantage of that weakness. Meanwhile, a Trump acolyte "addled by conspiracy theories" and who was already wanted for breaching the Capitol on Jan. 6 has been busy in Obama's neighborhood. Why? A man arrested last week for breaching the Capitol on Jan. 6 drove a van full of weapons to Barack Obama’s neighborhood before his June 30 arrest, appearing to target the former president’s home after a Truth Social post from Donald Trump that identified the Obama family’s Kalorama address, prosecutors say. Trump hates Obama even more than Biden, and literally painted a target on his back. Another charge to lay at Trump's door. Taylor Taranto’s June 29 arrest — after a foot pursuit near Rock Creek Parkway — capped a week-long period in which his erratic and menacing behavior escalated the urgency from law enforcement to find him. It was only after he entered Obama’s Secret Service-protected neighborhood that officials were able to track his movements closely. Taranto, speaking on a livestream, discussed finding an entrance to the Obamas’ home via the sewers. And damn. This loon is from the State of Washington. Anyway, pull up that Politico story - it's a fascinating read. |
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05 Jul 23 - 03:55 PM (#4176145) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen I doubt whether this show can be viewed online outside of Australia. Four Corners: Series 2023 Putin and the Presidents The comment about Putin playing Trump like a violin was made by Eugene Robinson, from The Washington Post. After a meeting between Putin and Trump in front of the media the cameras were sent away, and they met privately for two hours, with no aides present. Robinson says, "Putin didn't need the KGB psychological profilers to hand him a dossier on how to play Donald Trump. He was able to read Trump. He had a very good understanding of how to flatter him. He knew how to play Trump like a violin." |
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05 Jul 23 - 04:18 PM (#4176147) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Robinson is a frequent guest on MSNBC so I've heard many similar remarks if not that one. (He also has some great stuff hanging on the wall behind him when he is interviewed over Zoom - I've done a few screenshots to grab photos of one innovative quilt design in particular.) |
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05 Jul 23 - 04:51 PM (#4176155) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen SRS, I didn't notice what was on the wall. I'll go back and have another look. |
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06 Jul 23 - 11:44 AM (#4176209) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I did a little searching - the account on Twitter is @RateMySkypeRoom and adding that to his name gets results. Apparently I wasn't the only one looking at the wall behind him! Now that I look at it, the thing on the wall that caught my eye is a painting. The person with the quilt is member of Congress Katie Porter. This piece in particular and the text says it is probably by "no doubt by @katieporteroc’s mom legendary quilt maker Liz Porter." They gave her only a 9/10, but that piece earns a 10 all by itself. Now back to that trashy man in Florida. His henchman Nauta is in court this morning and his trial starts mid-August. |
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06 Jul 23 - 03:49 PM (#4176221) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen SRS, I looked again at Eugene Robinson's surroundings but it was a fuzzy room background, so that makes sense. I was at an interesting antiques place and at first glance I thought there was a quilt with coloured squares hanging up but on closer inspection I realised it was a Middle Eastern rug. Yes, back to the topic. There was an odd news article yesterday: Home Affairs Minister Clare O'Neil calls Donald Trump Jr a 'big baby' over cancelled Australian speaking tour "The younger Trump, who had been booked on a three-day tour that was scheduled to begin in Sydney on Sunday, cancelled the trip on Wednesday, with organisers suggesting the reason was visa issues. " 'It seems America isn't the only country that makes it difficult for the Trumps,' said Turning Point Australia, a group that describes itself as a non-profit in favour of free markets and limited government, in a Facebook post." I have never heard of Turning Point Australia, but if they think a Trump-related speaking tour is a good idea, I'm not interested. |
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07 Jul 23 - 07:15 AM (#4176277) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Legally Trump gets away with publishing the address of his enemies in hopes a murderous follower will carry out a heinous act. We all know his intent and purpose but we can't prove a conspiracy to murder. |
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07 Jul 23 - 11:02 AM (#4176287) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Conspiracy? probably not: that requires a two-way conversation. Incitement? now we're talking. |
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07 Jul 23 - 11:27 AM (#4176291) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage It's all part of the toxic mix that is Donald's way of dealing with the world. He behaves badly then defends himself on radio call in shows or FAUX News interviews. The days of that working have come to an end, too many people are pulling on strands of the net that he is trapped in. |
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07 Jul 23 - 02:03 PM (#4176305) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome I do hope so, Stilly. I really do. From over here it looks like the orange one is well set to run your country again :-( |
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07 Jul 23 - 03:19 PM (#4176313) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Only if you think Boris will ever get to 10 Downing St. again. |
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07 Jul 23 - 04:11 PM (#4176317) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Believe it or not, Stilly, that is a worry. There are still vast numbers of people inexplicably under his spell! |
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07 Jul 23 - 04:15 PM (#4176318) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Just realised Agent Orange isn't his title: it's what he uses as spray-on Democrat repellent. |
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07 Jul 23 - 04:21 PM (#4176319) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel He's likely to get the Rep. nomination sure, but that's his last win. |
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08 Jul 23 - 07:47 AM (#4176358) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Be thankful a Presidential campaign does not include a swimsuit competition. The pallid pasty folds of his fat are the stuff of night terrors. |
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08 Jul 23 - 07:53 AM (#4176360) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Well I suppose that Biden in a swimsuit wouldn't exactly be an oil painting. Just stick to what's in their heads. |
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08 Jul 23 - 08:06 AM (#4176362) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Oil paintings of plucked chickens are rare but not hideous. |
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08 Jul 23 - 08:40 AM (#4176364) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > Be thankful a Presidential campaign does not include a swimsuit > competition. Herself's comment: "That would be cruel and unusual punishment, which is against the law." I decline to comment further, as we've just had lunch. |
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08 Jul 23 - 11:56 AM (#4176373) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Yet that is the kind of scrutiny Hillary was subjected to - endless discussion of her pantsuits, when not a soul mentioned anything about Trump's suits. Let's just hope that Trump's own horrible diet takes him out of the running sometime soon. |
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08 Jul 23 - 04:10 PM (#4176392) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Yes - in this instance - praise God for the high fat, high carb, minimal veg diet. |
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08 Jul 23 - 06:38 PM (#4176395) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Elvis had a terrible diet but I revere him. Focus on what's in Trump's head, along with Joe Biden. |
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08 Jul 23 - 07:05 PM (#4176398) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen What's in Trump's head is high fat, high carb and minimal veg. Hoist by his own petard, in whatever way brings the desired result! |
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08 Jul 23 - 07:21 PM (#4176399) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Living in hope about Trump's future death/ill-health is puerile, not to say unseemly. It isn't how decent human beings should be wishing about people and it's a distraction from the serious issue of how he needs to be defeated AT THE POLLS (as it now seems that there will be no other way of seeing him off, due to the utter paralysis of the US justice system). You have about eighteen months, and he's extremely unlikely to die in that time, no matter what shit you think he enjoys eating. This kind of banter is childish and irrelevant. He neither smokes nor drinks, by the way, so that's a couple of other avenues of hope closed down to you. Either you stop him from standing, or you beat him in the polls, or you put up with four more years of him. Those are your only options, and his big fat belly and allegedly trashy diet simply don't enter into it. |
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08 Jul 23 - 07:28 PM (#4176400) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Not being either young or male makes it impossible for me to be puerile. And here in Oz we only get the fall-out from his Trumpty-Dumpty games, so we can only watch and pray that he gets taken down, one way or another. |
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08 Jul 23 - 07:40 PM (#4176403) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Puerile is a state of mind irrespective of age. From Merriam-Webster-Webster: "Nowadays, puerile can describe the acts or utterances of an actual child, but it more often refers (usually with marked disapproval) to occurrences of childishness where adult maturity would be expected or preferred." |
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08 Jul 23 - 07:42 PM (#4176404) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Gosh, dunno who the second Webster was. Anyhow, get thee to a dictionary. Puerile often refers neither to age nor to gender. Don't trust me, just look it up. |
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08 Jul 23 - 10:09 PM (#4176407) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage You can put whatever spin you want on it, but we don't need to be insulted because we wish Trump to shuffle off this mortal coil, in whatever method he selects for himself. If he has a debilitating stroke but doesn't die that would be ok also. You didn't have to live with four years of that fool as commander in chief of your country. His greed was such a driving factor in every choice he made that he literally tossed the rule of law and all women, minorities, and immigrants under the bus. I despise the man, and don't have altruistic wishes for his departure. I hope it hurts. He's really that awful. |
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09 Jul 23 - 02:51 AM (#4176418) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome We had Johnson. The Russians have Putin. Trump is somewhere in the middle. We need to be rid of all such but wishing harm on them is not the way to do it. It is what they would do. |
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09 Jul 23 - 04:44 AM (#4176419) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Trump is mortal, and will die, sooner or later; wishing it "sooner" is the politics of despair. He needs to be soundly thrashed *at the ballot box*, for the sake of the Republican party's long-term prospects, and to cleanse the entire US body politic. For the record, I've come to think of him as Nixon lite. |
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09 Jul 23 - 06:10 AM (#4176421) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Expressing aloud the hope that someone will die because you hate him is just wrong. Upbraiding someone for childishly expressing that hope is perfectly valid. It deserves a scolding and is no insult. By the way, the US is no island unto itself. We all know that decent Americans have had it bad, no denying. But Trump's baleful influence has spread like a disease across the planet, encouraging the likes of Johnson and Putin and promoting the cult of lies and populism. God knows what will happen to Ukraine if he gets back into power. Trump has, or will have, victims well beyond your shores. I'd also like to remind you that the unexpected demise of Trump would merely spawn the promotion of someone else who could be even worse, and there'd very likely be a surge of sympathy. You have plenty of charlatans over there who would fit the bill. DeSantis, anyone? |
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09 Jul 23 - 06:27 AM (#4176423) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen No one expressed hate. |
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09 Jul 23 - 06:41 AM (#4176424) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Jon Freeman I'm afraid people like Trump can bring out the worst in us. I do think he is an unpleasant character and unfit for office but I do not believe in wishing ill on others or celebrating another persons demise. It's something I will admit I have to pull myself up on at times, ie. have the bad thought and then tell myself that I should not be thinking that way. I don't know what the answer to Trump is. I can wish that more people would see him the way I do but Trump seems to have the ability to retain support and I fear has the ability to bounce back from situations where one might think he should be finished politically. |
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09 Jul 23 - 07:31 AM (#4176426) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw "No one expressed hate." "I despise the man, and don't have altruistic wishes for his departure. I hope it hurts." OK, let's talk synonyms. :-) |
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09 Jul 23 - 07:41 AM (#4176427) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Absolutely agree, Jon. It's human to have very negative thoughts of the kind expressed here and then try quietly to row back on oneself. To express those wishes aloud is not appropriate. What we need is for Trump to be completely out of the way politically forever and to face justice as appropriate. Other notions reek of vengeance and are a waste of energy. |
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09 Jul 23 - 08:57 AM (#4176428) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Sorry guys, there are few people who have earned such animus, but Trump is one of them. With his personal greed a single four-year term has come perilously close to turning our Democracy into an Autocracy; out of nearly 250 years this enterprise can barely survive four of Trump. He will die as a result of his own choices and that is as far as it goes - there is no prescription for anyone else hastening the event, a distinction I make. Now you can stop preaching to me about what I feel and how I should think and move on. |
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09 Jul 23 - 09:15 AM (#4176429) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw There is no preaching. One or two people are expressing a difference in perspective. We can all agree about how horrible the man is. One more thing: should he die quickly, he will escape a good deal of the scrutiny that your justice system should otherwise be subjecting him to. If ever a man should live to feel the full force of justice, it's him. If your country can't manage that, you seriously need to ask why not. I've been scratching my head here for a couple of years about that. After what happened at the Capitol two and a half whole years ago, it's scarcely credible that he's potentially in line for the presidency again. And just think about the dreadful people in history who have cheated their victims by dying. |
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09 Jul 23 - 09:50 AM (#4176431) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The inevitability of death is part of life and should carry no knee-jerk stigma. Afterall whenever someone brings up Biden's age they are really talking about death. For someone 4 years his junior the reaper is close behind. No number of autopsies will satisfy the Trump supporter. The rest of us understand the facts of life. Describing facts to a Trumper is like asking Steve to not be negative. They just double down. |
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09 Jul 23 - 10:10 AM (#4176438) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Typically idiotic, of course. However. The thing about Biden is that he is old and looks old. Positively rickety. Trump, in spite of his ugly persona, looks far more lively. That does not bode well for a Biden victory. |
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09 Jul 23 - 10:49 AM (#4176443) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage What Trump looks is a vain man who is covered with orange spray-on foundation makeup, dyed hair, probably hair plugs or extensions, lots of hairspray to carefully hold the hair to hide his bald spot, and I wouldn't be surprised if he wears Spandex to try to contain the gut. He golfs, and drives between the holes. Biden rides his stationary bike daily and rides real bikes when he gets a chance. |
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09 Jul 23 - 11:51 AM (#4176451) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Yebbut the stubborn fact is that Trump still commands the support of 70+ million emptyheads. Don't get me wrong here: I like Biden. But his legs look bandy, his speech is hesitant and he falls over. All very exploitable by a nasty adversary. You should be worrying. I am. |
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09 Jul 23 - 01:08 PM (#4176455) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage You've been listening to the wrong news programs, the ones that try to intentionally make Biden look feeble. That is a popular thing over here, the selective editing, the looping of small moves. That is Rupert Murdoch's touch on display. MEANWHILE, Joe Manchin, the man who dragged so many Democratic plans to a halt when Biden had the House and the Senate, is considering a third party run for the presidency. Because of course he could again be a spoiler. (Manchin and Sinema between them did so much damage while trying to protect their billionaire donors - Sinema became an Independent so she won't be knocked out of the next race in the primary.) Dems’ mission to stop a third-party presidential bid hits the Hill Officials from progressive MoveOn and centrist Third Way are planning to brief Senate Democratic chiefs of staff about the risk it could pose to President Joe Biden. Manchin couldn't care less about the disaster of Trump in office again, apparently. The role of Spoiler is a particularly self-serving one. Ralph Nader did it to Al Gore in the Bush V. Gore election. "No Labels" is an organization that purports to run the best candidate for the position without the stigma of party, but the fact that there are anonymous huge donors behind the new group rings about as true as the Federalist Society putting forward candidates for the Supreme Court simply because they would be good at their jobs. |
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09 Jul 23 - 01:35 PM (#4176458) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw I've just listened to Open Book on BBC Radio 4, which featured the American writer Richard Ford. He described Trump as a madman, and a bad madman, and as an aberration as a leader - but not an aberration as an American citizen, as demonstrated by his huge support base. His followers would like to tear down your government institutions, to replace them with "they know not what" (not quite verbatim quotes there, but as near as I recall). And that's the issue. He's a fairly "typical" American citizen, he identifies so well with the millions as such, which is why he's still so bloody popular. And that's your problem. He's so well embedded. And that's what you have to confront. We've extirpated Johnson, but eroding his lingering popular base is not so easy. We have a long way to go with him, and you have even further to go with Trump. At least we can say with reasonable confidence that Johnson will not be our next leader. As for the wrong news programmes, etc., I never access any media owned by Murdoch and I do not read the Daily Mail or any of the other gutter tabloids. Over the years here on Mudcat I've said several times that I access as many sources as possible from the ones I regard as reputable (nothing's and no-one's perfect) and I've railed many times against selective reporting, even by the Guardian and the BBC. My antennae are permanently a-twitch in order that I resist confirmation bias as much as possible. Cheers. |
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09 Jul 23 - 05:01 PM (#4176464) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Hoist by his own petard is still the best solution, I think. As Donuel said, "no number of autopsies will satisfy the Trump supporter", so a self-inflicted health issue which creates a situation where Trump can no longer run for office would solve the problem. Anything which stops him from talking or communicating would be fantastic, in my opinion. A primary criterion for a President is that s/he needs to have an active brain and the capacity to communicate. Unfortunately, I think there are plenty of people waiting in the wings to take up the mantle if Trump is incapacitated, and I also think that the extreme views would only get more extreme, especially when rival factions break off and start new campaigns. I wonder what William Shakespeare would have created from all of this. |
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09 Jul 23 - 05:29 PM (#4176468) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw He'd have started by getting cross with you for misquoting his saying. It's "hoist WITH his own petard." Of course, down the centuries the degraded "by" version has been assimilated into standard English, but I still think he'd be annoyed, being the perfectionist he was. One other thing: if we wish to emasculate Trump once and for all, and who doesn't, we either do it via the justice system or via the ballot box. Wishing ill-health on him is just pie in the sky, and not very grown-up to boot. |
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09 Jul 23 - 05:35 PM (#4176469) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Whatevs! |
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10 Jul 23 - 03:34 AM (#4176490) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk The expression "sucks all the oxygen out of the room" has gained currency for us right-pondians. The entire body politic has gone anoxic for you as for us, and stinks like an old-fashioned gas works. Socrates was right. |
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10 Jul 23 - 04:08 AM (#4176491) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie For the record I vehemently do not wish the tRump to die- that would be the perfect formula for his deification for years to come, not to mention accusations of murder. What I do want is for him to be humiliated, to find himself so far down the polls that he becomes a laughing stock so clearly that not even he can ignore or deny it. By the way, Stilly River, one of my pet peeves is the misuse of 'literally'. :^) |
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10 Jul 23 - 06:21 AM (#4176500) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw We've lost that fight, Ebbie. The loose adoption of "literally" is now so widespread that it's literally become standard English. I absolutely agree with your sentiment regarding Trump, and there's the matter of his needing to face justice. I wonder whether your legal system is up to the job. |
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10 Jul 23 - 06:37 AM (#4176503) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel We are in a time when the leading cause of death of American children is guns. In ancient Rome when the leading cause of death for their children was the sword, the barbarians had breached the gates and the empire of Rome had fallen. OMG I'm sounding like Senator Byrd |
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10 Jul 23 - 06:48 PM (#4176551) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The man who can't outrump Trump has squeezed the last drop of bigot juice from the bigot fruit and is still 20 points behind. |
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10 Jul 23 - 07:27 PM (#4176556) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage INFORMAL used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true. "I was literally blown away by the response I got" |
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10 Jul 23 - 07:32 PM (#4176558) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie I get your point, Stilly, but I would argue that being 'literally' blown away mentally or emotionally is a more acceptable use, if only because it is not tangible. Now back to tRump, who literally has no concept of niceties. |
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10 Jul 23 - 11:33 PM (#4176572) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The Fulton County District Attorney has her ducks lined up. Grand jurors who will consider Trump charges to be selected Tuesday The selection of two Fulton County grand juries will be made Tuesday, with one of the panels expected to decide whether to hand up an indictment for alleged criminal interference in the 2020 presidential election. Trump is busy trying to delay the hearing for Nauta (his attorneys are involved in all of this, despite Nauta having his own attorneys, so there is some kind of linkage there). Every delay they manage pushes a trial closer to the primary season. Let's see if Willis can trip him up. |
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11 Jul 23 - 07:16 AM (#4176588) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel ???? ????????? ???????????????? ?????????, (CCCP) The Criminally Corrupt Crony Party is attacking the law itself along with the arms of the law because they have no defense under the law. |
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11 Jul 23 - 10:45 PM (#4176645) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Taking a detour back to the civil cases brought by E. Jean Carroll, Trump loses immunity shield in E Jean Carroll defamation lawsuit, he lost in the first case, and in the second, where he was "immune" by virtue of being president, he no longer has that protection. The department previously maintained Mr Trump was legally immune as he was president when he made remarks in 2019. There is more at the link. He is, as AG Barr said recently, in a different context, "toast." Again. |
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13 Jul 23 - 10:47 AM (#4176725) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump won't have FOX for support. Neither will De Santis. A guy named J D Vance will. BTW Fox is sued again over defaming Jeff Epps as an agent provocateur. This was such a pain in the ass for Murdoch that he got an ass-hole transplant but the transplant rejected Rupert. |
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13 Jul 23 - 10:49 AM (#4176726) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage DOJ juggles prosecuting Trump with its duty to safeguard the office of the presidency There’s some cognitive dissonance at the Justice Department, which is trying to put Trump behind bars while fulfilling its mission to defend the office from civil suits. In a courthouse in Florida, federal prosecutors are trying to put Donald Trump in jail. But in Washington, D.C., a different wing of the Justice Department is trying to shield him from being forced to testify under oath in a long-running lawsuit. |
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13 Jul 23 - 11:56 AM (#4176737) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk .... Ach, I might have known your second-to-last quote was from the Beeb site. They have a tendency that's all too evident in the English print meeja: the delusion that a full stop is a paragraph marker. I've no idea where that came from. It's excessively irritating. My daughter, every now and then used to proudly show me a sentence in our local paper, with a ring around a full stop in the middle of a paragraph. End of rant. |
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13 Jul 23 - 10:02 PM (#4176794) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage I know what you mean, I used to pull the sentences together into a regular grammatical paragraph when I pulled up quotes. They break them up so there are gaps between the sentences on phones and tablets. The look of a solid wall of text, as little as there is on a phone, is still hard to read. After a while you just give up and paste it the way they parse it. |
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14 Jul 23 - 04:38 AM (#4176810) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Another worrying article in The Economist How MAGA Republicans plan to make Donald Trump’s second term count The more worrying things are "finishing the border wall, raising tariffs on allies and competitors alike, making unfunded tax cuts permanent and ending automatic citizenship for anyone born in the United States" but there are plenty more :-( |
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14 Jul 23 - 07:45 AM (#4176826) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > They break them up so there are gaps between the sentences on phones > and tablets. --- Ahhhh: that explains it, but doesn't excuse it on sensible displays. It reads to me .... like speeches .... by certain people .... who all appear .... to have been taught .... public speaking .... by Lady Di's .... asthmatic speech coach. But point taken about blocks of solid text. That's used a lot in click-through legal boilerplate, EXACERBATED BY SHOUTING; the resultant MEGO effect (Mine Eyes Glazeth Over) is, methinks, entirely intentional. |
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14 Jul 23 - 09:10 AM (#4176829) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Mike Lindell is biting the pillow. He's earned it. |
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14 Jul 23 - 12:46 PM (#4176839) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage He's auctioning off the fixtures this month, they talked about it on MSNBC earlier this week. He happily got in bed with Trump and his allies, along with a couple of other online sales CEOs. From 2021: MyPillow C.E.O.’s Trump Conspiracy Theories Put Company on the Spot Retailers have stopped carrying its products, though Mike Lindell, the founder and face of MyPillow, blamed “cancel culture” and said he didn’t think it would last. Another one whose fortunes have sagged is Patrick Byrne who ran Overstock.com. It was so odd to have these conspiracy theorists turning up as presidential advisors. Only Donald Trump would manage that (though Nancy Reagan apparently had some California Psychics or horoscope folks in her ear through the years.) |
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14 Jul 23 - 01:16 PM (#4176844) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel My Pillow's bankruptcy is made in the USA. |
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14 Jul 23 - 01:46 PM (#4176848) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Snide comment alert :^/ Give Nancy a break. After her husband was shot in the heart, her anxiety steered her to Jeane Dixon. |
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18 Jul 23 - 06:52 AM (#4177155) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The conservative Heritage Foundation think tank has expanded their strategy to make the USA A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP with an Imperial Presidency with the power to eliminate any dissent from any branch of government, civil servants and individuals. It is all in black and white out loud fascism. https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-presidential-plans-second-term-power-election-2024-rcna94628 19 States have begun to seize the medical records by Attorney Generals of anyone who may have had an abortion in any state or gender treatments. The fascist purge is only starting with this vulnerable part of society. The true enemy will be any democracy-centered democrat. History shows a similar Nazi act called the Enabling Act having a similar goal but with different scape goats. |
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18 Jul 23 - 11:31 AM (#4177176) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Ebbie Donuel, FFS, Reagan was not shot "in the heart. "Left armpit, just two inches from the heart." sheesh. |
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18 Jul 23 - 12:54 PM (#4177182) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage As annoying as HIPAA can be for various patients and letting family have access, you'd think the medical institutions would stand up to the AG - private is private. Sounds like there must be a federal remedy for this one. Trump breaks the news again - telling people this morning that he received another billet-doux from Jack Smith. Trump says he's received target letter from special counsel Jack Smith in Jan. 6 probe "It was not immediately clear what the charges are or whether anyone else received a target letter. People who have been informed that they are targets of criminal probes are often, but not always, indicted." |
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18 Jul 23 - 04:06 PM (#4177195) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage In an MSNBC article there is a photo Trump Faces Possible Indictment in Capitol Attack Investigation that is obnoxious - look at the side of the hat. It is actually another admission that he knows he lost, if you think about it. He's not "46" and wants to be "47." |
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18 Jul 23 - 07:39 PM (#4177204) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Like a superhero who has lost his powers, Trmp is vulnerable but are 3 pieces of kryptonite enough to end him before he gets his powers back? Stay tuned for Donuel's happy-hour Podcast 'Death-Despair and Despondency'. How close was the bullet to Reagan's heart? The report notes that the bullet in Reagan's left lung stopped only an inch from his heart and attributes his survival to fast thinking by the Secret Service and the partnership between a dedicated medical team and a remarkably courageous patient. SHEESH 2 inches bah @:^/. |
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19 Jul 23 - 08:03 AM (#4177229) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I believe people have limited free will capable of change but when I look at Trmp I see a totally one-dimensional person incapable of free will or change. He is the epitome of determinism. A god of self-centered greed and deceit. |
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20 Jul 23 - 12:16 PM (#4177257) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The unlikely change of plea to all his indictments might keep him out of jail. That plea could be Nolo contendere. Its the same plea that Spiro Agnew used. |
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20 Jul 23 - 01:28 PM (#4177281) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Politico is reporting that because House majority leader McCarthy wouldn't endorse Trump, Trump is furious. So McCarthy promised to later this summer hold a vote to expunge Trump's two impeachments. Even if he were to pull it off, that is a bell that can't be unrung - twice. It's like telling the jury to disregard some inappropriate or non-admissible testimony. It's out there. |
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20 Jul 23 - 01:32 PM (#4177282) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage And Trump wants to be King. Or at least, a dictator. Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands. |
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21 Jul 23 - 04:08 PM (#4177379) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Donald Trump scheduled to face trial in May 2024 over classified documents allegations "Trump's lawyers had resisted setting a trial date and said any trial should take place after the November 2024 US presidential election" |
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21 Jul 23 - 05:38 PM (#4177383) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen It is also interesting that "Friday's ruling came from US District Judge Aileen Cannon, who sits in Fort Pierce, Florida." Aileen Cannon "The Trump-appointed judge who will preside over his case" "Others contend that Cannon will ensure that he gets a fair shake. " 'It's impossible now for Trump to complain that he's got a judge that is biased against him,' said Edward Foley, a constitutional law professor at Ohio State University. "Thomas Holbrook, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, said Cannon is in a "tough position." " 'Almost no matter what she does, she's going to either feed into existing concerns about her potential bias or disappoint Trump supporters,' Holbrook said." (Note: I just picked that news item at random but it seems to present a balanced view.) |
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21 Jul 23 - 06:27 PM (#4177387) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw There's a bottom line here: there is nothing on the horizon which precludes him from standing again. And he will win. |
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22 Jul 23 - 11:01 AM (#4177435) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel All things are possible. Dr Richard Feynman The judge heard that Trump claimed he was not guilty of RAPE and announced last week that by NYS law he was found guilty of RAPE. |
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22 Jul 23 - 11:33 AM (#4177441) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Nope. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. The only reason Trump won the first time, even with a lower vote count than Hillary, was because of some of those swing states that her managers didn't think needed attention. No one is going to make that mistake again. Trump will still get the lower vote count and will lose, again. The fact that he tried to cheat in those same swing states in 2020 is one reason why so many indictments are coming his way. |
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22 Jul 23 - 06:04 PM (#4177460) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel People say she should not have canceled her Michigan tour at the end but that could be sour grapes. |
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23 Jul 23 - 03:01 PM (#4177513) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Trump had until Thursday (7/20) to appear before the most recent Grand Jury (Washington, D.C.) and didn't; last time he was given that opportunity I seem to recall it was less than a week before a hearing was called to offer up the indictment settled upon by the Grand Jury. So maybe this week the D.C. folks will get out ahead of the Georgia folks, who have plans for the first couple of weeks in August. Meanwhile the judge in the civil action by E. Jean Carroll has made it clear that Trump committed rape, even if the jury said sexual assault. Because Trump keeps trying to say he wasn't found guilty of rape. |
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24 Jul 23 - 06:35 AM (#4177570) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel No more December trial date. Judge Cannon moved it to the end of May next Spring. Trump warns that his passionate supporters pose a clear and present danger and claims NOTHING WILL STOP WHAT IS COMING, NOTHING. Which is also a QAnon chant. I was wrong about the last capital insurrection but without Presidential powers another violent insurrection is less likely imo. |
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25 Jul 23 - 01:09 PM (#4177636) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel The Battle of New Coups ---------------------------------------- CHORUS ------ Trump ran thru impeachments Trump ran thru indictments Trump ran thru the White House Where the oil money flows Trump ran so bad McConnell couldn't catch 'em He took our elections on the phone and in blood VERSES ------ Early in the winter Year of '16 Some mobsters in DC, put it on the line In a fight for the White House he took our innocence Shouting out the slogans make me great again CHORUS With Americans like Q Anon he bargained for himself A narcicist dictator, who often broke the law They said he owed them money He was a cheater and a beast And in the name of freedom he ate Mc Donald's feasts CHORUS As we move into 2024 There's still no end in sight Nazis beat themselves with chains While spoiling for a fight Donald Trump wants it his way Biden disagrees People everywhere Are talking filthy Sleaze CHORUS |
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25 Jul 23 - 04:54 PM (#4177639) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage By moving the Documents trial to May, that opens up the calendar for a December trail for one of these cases that has a lot less delicate content (dealing with classified documents means Trump's attorneys need clearance and one of them is slow-walking that already.) This could be the Atlanta trial or a Washington, D.C. trial. All is not lost. |
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25 Jul 23 - 06:38 PM (#4177649) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel In a dictatorship acts of arrest, torture, and execution are endemic. If you don't think the new Republicans are not willing and capable of such savagery you are kidding yourself. If you think they are mean now, make Trump their fearless leader to end rational thought and democracy. |
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25 Jul 23 - 08:26 PM (#4177655) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I wonder about what our Supreme Court judges are thinking about tonight after seeing what has happened in Isreal. |
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25 Jul 23 - 10:10 PM (#4177659) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Increasing the size of the US court would be legal, but even that is something to do very carefully. Best to impeach Thomas and Alito. |
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25 Jul 23 - 10:35 PM (#4177663) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Oh, look, some of the loot has to be returned: Trump to Return Ancient Coins and Lamps to Israel’s Antiquities Agency The items have been at former President Donald J. Trump’s home in Florida since 2021, when they were presented to him during a Hanukkah celebration
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25 Jul 23 - 11:14 PM (#4177665) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Trump's troubles, and those of his allies, appear to be expanding geometrically, in a number of directions. A non-profit raised millions for Trump's border wall. Here's why a third man behind We Build the Wall has been sentenced "A Colorado businessman has received the longest prison sentenced yet imposed over a fraudulent scheme to raise money for Donald Trump's border wall. "Timothy Shea was sentenced to five years and three months in prison for his role in the We Build the Wall scheme, which prosecutors said raised more than $US25 million ($37 million). "Shea, 52, was also was ordered to forfeit $US1.8 million and to pay the same in restitution." |
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26 Jul 23 - 11:08 AM (#4177693) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump is a TV show host at heart. He should be featured on the many hoarding shows like https://www.movierewind.com/articles/everything-hoarders |
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26 Jul 23 - 11:25 AM (#4177696) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Giuliani lied. Everyone knew it. Giuliani won’t contest Georgia election workers’ claims that he falsely accused them of manipulating ballots In a heavily couched statement, he also conceded that his statements meet the “factual elements of liability” for Moss and Freeman’s claims that his attacks amounted to “intentional infliction of emotional distress.” But Giuliani is not abandoning his effort to fight the lawsuit altogether. An aide, Ted Goodman, said his concessions and acknowledgments were an effort to bypass the fact-gathering stage and move on to legal arguments about whether he can be held liable for the damages Moss and Freeman are seeking. He made their lives hell. |
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31 Jul 23 - 07:30 PM (#4178166) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Many of the people who fawned over Donald Trump or boasted 'you the man' are now about to say exactly what they think in court. This betrayal and disloyalty is pure kryptonite to Donald's soul. When his text is ALL CAPS it is the dying parts of him crying out. The more he is depicted as a fraud on steroids the more he is calling his opponents frauds. btw FL has no appointed public health official. It is no coincidence that Florida is the leprosy capital of the US with 20% of all US cases. |
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01 Aug 23 - 09:57 AM (#4178207) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The barriers are up around the courthouse in Georgia, and the MSNBC and other news networks are letting their big name folks have a few days off now because as soon as the penny drops for Trump, whether in Georgia or Washington, D.C., they'll be on for many hours a day on each other's programs discussing the fine points. I listen for enough time to get the gist of what is happening then wait till there's a comprehensive story in the NY Times or the WaPo or even in the Wall Street Journal (different perspectives, certainly). I'll save my longer viewing for when the trials actually happen. |
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01 Aug 23 - 03:26 PM (#4178232) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Things are bubbling. One of the hosts on MSNBC checked her phone on camera when it pinged, alerting her to a post (about the grand jury members leaving the building) - realtime stuff on the air without someone speaking into a earbud in her ear. The speculation now is whether the Justice Department will break the news with a press release or if Trump will beat them to it by announcing his own bad news (that he always spins and uses for fundraising.) For his PAC, this is probably good timing. They need another cause to use for raising money because apparently they're "nearly broke." |
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01 Aug 23 - 07:39 PM (#4178249) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The next one has landed and is being discussed widely as the various talking heads work their way through the 45-page indictment. There are co-conspirators (unnamed at this point, but they've figured out who everyone is.) |
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01 Aug 23 - 09:04 PM (#4178254) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Joe Offer Emma's Revolution came out with a new song in June, "Re-Indicted." It's a classic. Time to listen to it again: https://emmasrevolution.com/ |
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01 Aug 23 - 10:30 PM (#4178256) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Nicely done! Randy Rainbow has a number of pointed parodies that deal with all of this. A couple of examples: Donald in the John With Boxes Sedition. |
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02 Aug 23 - 08:41 AM (#4178276) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I'm so indicted He's gonna bite it I'm less popular than him and I'm unindicted So it's decided I was...misguided? They know, they know, they know, they know, they know, they got you, they got you Don't be short-sighted Then help me fight it Well, if we have a good excuse, hey, I think they'll buy it Hey, let's all try it... |
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02 Aug 23 - 09:01 AM (#4178277) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel You may think this case is more important than the OJ case but it is unlikely that it will be televised. |
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02 Aug 23 - 09:17 AM (#4178278) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Even if found guilty, the appeals process would add 2 more years to this whole fiasco. |
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02 Aug 23 - 09:37 AM (#4178282) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman It’s almost as though his tame, pet judges want him back in the Oval Office again… |
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02 Aug 23 - 09:58 AM (#4178283) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor The judge he's drawn in this latest indictment doesn't look to be nearly as sympathetic as Aileen Cannon in Florida- Tanya Chutkan But I won't rest easy until the slippery bastard is in jail or in Hell. |
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02 Aug 23 - 10:28 AM (#4178286) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Hell is more likely to happen than jail. |
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02 Aug 23 - 10:45 AM (#4178288) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Until one of the trials starts, now Trump is just old news. But he'll keep trying to gin up the victimization role to raise money. |
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02 Aug 23 - 11:14 AM (#4178291) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor We'll see, BW. I suppose it all hinges on whether Americans want to retain their democracy or give it up for a malignant autocracy (without even being aware of it in many cases). |
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02 Aug 23 - 03:24 PM (#4178303) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel My wife thinks he will die of natural causes before the case is resolved. |
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02 Aug 23 - 03:45 PM (#4178304) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I can't believe I lost to that guy. quote: Donald Trump. |
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02 Aug 23 - 05:12 PM (#4178315) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Sorry, but from over here it looks like he is still the front runner :-( |
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02 Aug 23 - 05:53 PM (#4178316) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw He's going to stand and he's going to be your next president. |
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02 Aug 23 - 06:51 PM (#4178320) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage You're just a little ray of sunshine everywhere you go, Steve. And it is more annoying here than just about anywhere. He lost the first time (popular vote), he lost the second time (popular vote and electoral college) and he isn't going to win in a third try. You can put money on it. |
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02 Aug 23 - 07:27 PM (#4178323) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen One of the changes that I think will affect voters is the shock and outrage about the attack on the Capitol and on the heart of the U.S. democratic process. Trump may win the Republican selection - I'm not placing bets on that, either way - but he still has to convince the majority of voters in the country to vote for him. |
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03 Aug 23 - 02:12 AM (#4178329) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome The thing is, Helen, the nutjobs who love Trump don't see that as an attack on democracy. They believe it was an act of revolution against an oppressive regime. And Trump keeps fueling that fire. Stilly. Elections are not won by majorities. It is the fringe that sway them and the louder or more lunatic the fringe, the more sway they hold. We know - look at Brexit and Boris! Neither were voted for by the majority but we still got stuck with them due to clever populism and pithy slogans :-( |
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03 Aug 23 - 05:36 AM (#4178335) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Unless you physically bang him up in jail for a long time*, he can stand and he will probably win. I mean, just look who he's up against. Biden is slow, hesitant, creaky and prone to falling over. You can bet your life that Trump will use all that against Biden incredibly effectively. It'll be looking like Reagan vs Carter all over again. Yeah, there I go again... *I think I read somewhere that even that might not stop him. |
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03 Aug 23 - 06:37 AM (#4178336) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman I do have to agree with Dave and Steve. Trump is, a past-master at pushing Populist propaganda, and there are plenty of gullible Yanks who seem to be addicted to his Kool-aid. Unless the Dems can come up with a stronger, more dynamic candidate than Biden, who seems increasingly ‘past it’, I have a very strong suspicion that Trump is capable of winning next year. I hope I’m wrong, but I fear I’m right. |
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03 Aug 23 - 08:27 AM (#4178339) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel I expect the nonsense of "elections are not won by majorities" and Trump will win like Reagan over Carter. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all the time. |
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03 Aug 23 - 12:32 PM (#4178364) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage The Trump folks aren't the majority anywhere, and frankly, I don't think they are the majority of the GOP. They are two things: they are stupidly loud, and they are what the US media focused on when they were looking for stories to increase ratings. Few thought Trump would end up in office the first time. Many thought he'd be shocked at the win and bored at the prospect of politics and would quit. He quickly learned how to turn every customary political practice on its head (it is expected the president will put investments in a blind trust, release tax returns, and stopping running businesses while in office.) He figured out how to skim off the top of any money raised on his behalf (for the The January 6 Committee hearings presented evidence provided by GOP witnesses. His own people. And some who testified where much chastened and now convicted participants in the coup attempt. Many of those folks, hundreds, have been charged, convicted, and imprisoned. The word is out and the leaders of the worst of the groups are in prison. Steve Bannon is appealing his conviction. The crooked friends who were advisors are sidelined or laying low. States are charging Trump and his supporters in the fraudulent elector scheme, crimes big enough to put him in prison and he can't pardon those. Opinion polls don't matter. I don't care that Trump appears to be the GOP frontrunner, or how he stands next to Biden in poll projections. The machinery of the next election isn't running at top speed yet and the grass roots activity is in the background, not something you see from across the pond. So what you think you're seeing from there doesn't matter. The noise doesn't matter. Trump trashed the Supreme Court and as a result women's rights were taken away. That is the single most important part of the next campaign, to restore women's rights and to reform the Supreme Court. That's not going to happen on the front page of your prefered UK newspapers. The next big thing the House and Senate need to do is remove Citizens United that lets all of the dark money and corporations influence politics. That needs a more solid majority so that the likes of Joe Manchion and Kristen Sinema can't scuttle much of the work Biden needs to do. |
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03 Aug 23 - 01:39 PM (#4178374) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Please dog, let SRS be right… ;-) |
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03 Aug 23 - 02:11 PM (#4178376) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome I really do hope you are right, Stilly. It just looks bad from the sidelines. |
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03 Aug 23 - 02:28 PM (#4178380) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Trump will put on a political defense but a legal defense will be a difficult uphill problem. Most dictators use hate politics. Hate-hungry politics have persecuted Jews/religions, Blacks, Women, Tribes, The Handicapped, and now Gays. Shared hatreds unite some people. Hateful people might eventually hate each other even if they share the need and want to always be the majority race with superior rights and power. I see a splintering of MAGA attempts to outdo cruelty, outdo gun insanity, outdo voter suppression, outdo hate and stupidity in new ways. I believe most people do not want to live that way. Love may not trump hate and victim politics, but we are seeing the limits of what the 1% super wealthy and Wall Street can get away with. There is a blowback of killing the golden goose leaving the wealthy and poor without an economy to exploit. It looks like Berlin in 1946. The master race is now the fat naked golfer behind the curtain. |
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03 Aug 23 - 03:24 PM (#4178382) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk I'm slow. I've just come to the conclusion that Trump in the White House is more a symptom than a cause, just as Agent Orange being deployed over Vietnam was (when I used that term for the little offender in question, my subconscious was firing on all six). Consider, gentlecatters: Congress (from what I can see from this side of the puddle) is terminally polarised, and finely balanced between two irreconcilable parties. The main beneficiary of this is Big Business: corporations lobby hard; each one supports *both* sides with campaign contributions, precisely so that whoever gets in is beholden to them. Meanwhile, while both parties are at each others' throats, they're too preoccupied to regulate Big Business properly (example: the FCC is basically being run now by the cable companies it's supposed to regulate). And along comes someone who considers himself an apex predator, but who is actually an apex bullshitter. (This perfectly fits into my thermodynamic argument that wherever there's a potential difference, something will evolve to exploit it.) Hilarity, as they say, ensues. Let there be flames. |
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03 Aug 23 - 03:46 PM (#4178385) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Well said, SRS! Another indication that his popularity may be waning is the significantly lower numbers of people attending his rallies or protesting on the streets on his behalf. And there are two other factors which could have influenced his rise to power: his shallow claims to a belief in Christian principles, and his "stardom" on the small screen. In my opinion, he does not display Christian principles or values in his words or actions, no matter how much he proclaims that he is a Christian. And actions and words which might be funny or entertaining in a "reality" TV show does not translate into being a good person to run the country IRL. Also the other Republican hopefuls are treading a very fine line, trying to push themselves as the best candidate without upsetting Trump's (dwindling) supporter base, both the people generally and his financial supporters. And I'd be interested in solid evidence on the percentage of the U.S. citizens who are "nutjobs" because I suspect that the majority are not. Donuel makes a good point. Hate divides people, especially when the people who are targeted are put into different categories e.g. by race, nationality, gender, sexual preferences, etc. |
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03 Aug 23 - 03:50 PM (#4178386) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen And well said, MaJoC the Filk! (I was typing my post without seeing yours until I posted mine.) |
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03 Aug 23 - 03:54 PM (#4178387) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk > I believe most people do not want to live that way. Herself has just reported from the telly coverage: A reporter says that many Republican supporters are saying in private that Trump should go. But few if any of them will say it in public, presumably for fear of the others. This is beginning to sound suspiciously like the comment alleged to have been made by a Russian to an American before the USSR imploded: "Under Communism, we have freedom of speech. In the West, you have freedom *after* speech." |
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03 Aug 23 - 06:37 PM (#4178399) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Former US president Donald Trump pleads not guilty to 2020 election interference Statement near the end of the article: "About half of Republicans said they would not vote for Mr Trump if he were convicted of a felony, according to a new Reuters poll. "But the same poll, taken after his indictment this week, also showed his remarkable resiliency in the Republican primary race. "He is supported by 47 per cents of Republicans. "Florida's Ron DeSantis stands at 13 per cent." Note also the giant inflatable Trump rat in the pic near the end of the article. :-D |
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03 Aug 23 - 07:22 PM (#4178401) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Bill D What SRS said ^. Trump's hard-core minions will stay with him, but many of them don't actually believe his assertions, they just 'accept' them... Remember "The Emperor's New Clothes"? He lost by 3 million, then by 7 million... and his choices for Congress and governors in 2022 mostly lost. At the same time, there are many more young folks and black and Latino voters registered- despite the Repubs efforts to stop them. Yeah, he'll still win a few red states, but IF he actually gets on the ballot, I'll bet Biden secretly is glad. (also, remember,"it's the economy, stupid!") |
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05 Aug 23 - 02:34 AM (#4178410) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Plenty of hope being expressed here and I desperately want y'all to be right. In the meantime, please don't underestimate our "preferred UK newspapers." |
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05 Aug 23 - 07:37 AM (#4178421) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel My familial lexicon is on the polemic side and is best heard as a near whisper, no shouting. I actually said shared hate unites people, Trump supporters are told they are victims, Trump says he is a victim and the country is a victim of the woke weirdos. The Trump phrase for the masses is "Don't look backward! LOOK FORWARD." SRS says Citizen United is important. It allows corporate fortunes to establish a permanent hegemony, the wealthy to buy the Supream Court and drown the voice of unions and real grassroots movements. I am proud of her insight and her willingness to not oversimplify. |
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05 Aug 23 - 08:08 AM (#4178432) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw "My familial lexicon is on the polemic side and is best heard as a near whisper, no shouting." Come again? |
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05 Aug 23 - 08:23 AM (#4178438) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Growing up in my family anything could be discussed. Nothing was off limits. The benefits of slavery could be rationally discussed. Controversy was not out of bounds. Nothing was off limits academically except discussions outside the family. Perhaps this is why I am more open minded than some folks. |
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05 Aug 23 - 08:26 AM (#4178439) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Hypothetical thinking has its benefits. |
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05 Aug 23 - 08:31 AM (#4178441) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel It's probably why I am good at cosmology. |
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05 Aug 23 - 08:58 AM (#4178451) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump must win the election to stay out of jail. Only a conviction of insurrection would prevent his running for office. He was not charged with that since the prosecution wants to be done before election day. It is possible to run for President from jail but I think we believe that he would be attached to an ankle bracelet instead of actual prison. |
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05 Aug 23 - 09:16 AM (#4178458) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Yesterday Trump spoke in front of eight flags. Four flags were American flags and four flags were the Confederate Battle flag WITHOUT ANY STARS. They looked like white flags with a red X. I see a connection with the Elon Musk X. ? |
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05 Aug 23 - 09:30 AM (#4178460) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Those were flags of the State of Alabama, adopted in 1895. |
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05 Aug 23 - 09:36 AM (#4178461) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel We may be looking at the introduction of the new regime US flag under Trump similar to Hitler changing the German flag to the swastika. It's something easy for followers to make themselves. Putin uses the letter Z to represent the Ukraine campaign. Trump might use X. |
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05 Aug 23 - 09:55 AM (#4178462) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Indeed it is. I wouldn't want to give Trump ideas. :^/ |
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05 Aug 23 - 10:08 AM (#4178464) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Jack Smith has already been back to court because Trump all but threatened anyone who goes against him via his Truth Social site. "Don't break any laws" he was told by the judge. He couldn't manage that for even 48 hours. |
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05 Aug 23 - 10:14 AM (#4178465) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel South Carolina kept the Confederate flag for their State as recently as Obama's Presidency. |
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05 Aug 23 - 11:12 AM (#4178480) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel "If you are coming after me, I'm coming after you." quote: guess who "I'm going to slit the throat of government workers" quote: Ron DeSantis |
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05 Aug 23 - 11:29 AM (#4178486) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/07/alabama-defies-voting-rights-act-supreme-court/674850/ |
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05 Aug 23 - 12:09 PM (#4178489) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Taking a page from President Andrew Johnson's playbook. He was a real piece of work. |
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05 Aug 23 - 03:09 PM (#4178520) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Donuel said, "I actually said shared hate unites people". To clarify what I said earlier, that "hate divides people": Hate can unite the group of people who have a common target, but if there are a number of groups of people who hate different targets then the whole population is divided into smaller groups. It's difficult to unite the whole population in that case to work together as a community. If the main motivator is love then there is more chance of community spirit. |
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06 Aug 23 - 04:44 PM (#4178564) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Exploited working-class folks hear Trump say we are victims of government elites and they love that. They loved it to the point of death with anti-vax-horse dewormer-cleaning solutions. A stern father figure brings out the child's behavior and trust in certain people. Each side sees this as a battle between good and evil. Anyone who has a high-level government job knows that there are questions one can never ask. There are illegal questions in positions of responsibility. Trump never understood or obeyed that responsibility. |
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06 Aug 23 - 07:50 PM (#4178572) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Former US president Donald Trump seeks new judge in election fraud case "Donald Trump will seek his judge's recusal as well as a change of venue "Prosecutors filed a protective order prohibiting Mr Trump from sharing any legal materials with unauthorised people "Mr Trump's lawyer said the actions at the centre of the allegations against the former president were requests, not directives" |
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06 Aug 23 - 09:04 PM (#4178575) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I won't guess where psychology and literature overlap, but in American literature, there is an example of the phalanx, or the "group man theory" that John Steinbeck explored in the short story "The Vigilante" (1936), found in his collection The Long Valley. January 6 is as close as Trump will ever come to turning a crowd into an organism to respond to his words. And there was threat of at least one lynching. This differs from angry riots such as after George Floyd was murdered, when crowds expressed their displeasure en-masse. The goal wasn't to target and kill some individual. Steinbeck's story follows one man who finds himself in a crowd that essentially has a mind of its own and he is pulled along, to a lynching. You won't find Jack Smith using literature to prove his case, but it can be used to examine what Trump tried to create. |
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06 Aug 23 - 09:50 PM (#4178579) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Interesting, SRS. I don't know whether he really cares what the crowd thinks or feels as long as he is the centre of attention. I don't think he cares what actions they take either. I keep thinking back to that footage of him surrounded by Christians praying over him in the White House. I think he would do anything, say anything to get what he wants. And I definitely don't think he displays any Christian values or principles. |
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07 Aug 23 - 06:16 AM (#4178601) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Shhh Stilly. Republicans might ban John Steinbeck :^l The Bible however never condemns slavery so it's OK. |
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07 Aug 23 - 06:35 AM (#4178604) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: gillymor I live in a congressional district that is strongly Republican, a Democrat rarely gets elected to anything around here and in the 2016 campaign many of the locals went hog wild for Trump. Since then his appeal has fallen off dramatically, it was waning in 2020 as he lost the popular vote by 7 million and now there are no longer weekend protests of the unfair treatment he's receiving at the hands of congressional Democrats and the Justice Department that occurred regularly at a major crossroads a few blocks west of here. You rarely see a Trump 2024 bumper sticker nowadays whereas MAGA hats and large Trump flags flying on the back of pickups were once a common sight and nobody seems to want talk about him any more, I guess they're too embarrassed and rightly so. His success in 2016 was largely dependent on turnout which included a lot of first time voters and I just don't see that kind of enthusiasm for him any more, which may bode well for congressional Democrats on a national basis. Just some local observations but I'm getting the impression he's finished politically. |
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07 Aug 23 - 06:51 AM (#4178606) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel From my POV the bullying-threatening Trump is ALL about crowd manipulation. It has succeeded in pulling the ignorant and the dregs of society into action. As a result there are warnings like don't poke the bear and don't screw with Trump. |
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07 Aug 23 - 07:03 AM (#4178608) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Gilly, even almost a third of Democrats are casting about regarding an alternative to Biden. I wouldn't rule out 24 as a year of dark horses if Trump doesn't get the nod. |
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07 Aug 23 - 07:22 AM (#4178612) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: gillymor My main concern is that Trump and anyone who might pardon him is stopped and I hope the Democrats take that tack. |
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07 Aug 23 - 08:48 AM (#4178619) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw "The Bible however never condemns slavery so it's OK." Way too simplistic. The racism-based slavery we think of today as slavery (excluding what we call modern slavery for a minute) was non-existent in biblical times. Slavery in the Roman Empire was a complicated setup in which you could be "promoted" or buy your way out. And just because "the Bible never condemns" this, that or the other doesn't mean it condones it. There is no mention by Jesus in the gospels of slavery but I would strongly argue that the sentiments contained in his teachings are at odds with the abuse and exploitation of fellow human beings. And I'm an atheist, thank God. |
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07 Aug 23 - 09:41 AM (#4178623) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel That's why I used the words 'never condemns'. When the bible does mention slaves it says you may murder another man's slave if he kills your slave. btw slaves were often from different countries and religions. I remember the Fonz from the show Happy Days. America has had a love affair regarding the 'bad boy'. Even Al Capone was beloved by many. Trump is our bad boy and has been excused with phrases like 'Let Trump be Trump. In our times the antihero has become a popular character like Tony Soprano. |
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07 Aug 23 - 10:58 AM (#4178634) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Fonz was an act, not really a bad boy. Read Trump's niece's book about his youth - it's good background on the man today. He came from a family of broken and dreadful parents. If he hadn't also been a sociopath he could have been closer to normal like some of his siblings. The news this morning has everything abuzz in Atlanta, and a few people have acknowledged the receipt of subpoenas to appear before this most recent Grand Jury. This week and next are blocked out for Something To Happen. |
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07 Aug 23 - 11:30 AM (#4178640) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw "...you may murder another mans slave if he kills your slave." (etc.) This is clearly off-topic so this is my last word on it. Your reply is a clear deflection. |
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07 Aug 23 - 03:11 PM (#4178661) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Thank you. I have not read that account of his childhood. I think its possible Trump goes to jail for breaking the Judges rules. He'll say "see I'm a victim of the system. Help me I'm being oppressed". |
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07 Aug 23 - 07:47 PM (#4178687) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump can't help himself, and everyone KNOWS he can't help himself, but if they let him get away with it because he can't help himself they're leaving a really dangerous person in circulation as far as his continued ability to threaten groups and individuals. |
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07 Aug 23 - 07:55 PM (#4178688) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Take it forward about 10 years or so, SRS, and imagine the Hollywood take on all of this drama - and dark comedy. (Actually, I mostly blame Hollywood for the over-exuberant gun-toting folks in U.S. society anyway, and reality TV for encouraging bad behaviour by the Trump because it makes for "good" television.) |
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07 Aug 23 - 08:27 PM (#4178690) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Former US president Donald Trump loses countersuit against E. Jean Carroll |
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07 Aug 23 - 08:30 PM (#4178691) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Oh, look, Trump is enjoying the United States loss to Sweden in the Women’s World Cup on Sunday. . . . a striking example of the unforgiving moment in right-wing politics, when a former president will taunt an American team competing on the national stage and relish the agony of its defeat. |
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08 Aug 23 - 07:58 AM (#4178710) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel He needs to abuse women. It's not about a team. |
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08 Aug 23 - 10:19 AM (#4178716) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage A clip from Morning Joe has Scarborough talking about Trump's game - it is essentially Tu Quoque - Whataboutism - they keep trying to point fingers at Hillary and at Hunter and say "but her emails" and "his computer" and there is nothing there. But if they say it often enough, it becomes part of the record they want the jury to remember. Day two of the Fulton County, GA, Courthouse Watch. |
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08 Aug 23 - 11:14 AM (#4178727) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel We will see the day of 5 concurrent Trump trials. The 5th regards his fraud in a phone sale crime while President. |
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08 Aug 23 - 01:32 PM (#4178737) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome I can only find old stuff on that, Don. Has there been any recent developments? Can you provide links? |
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08 Aug 23 - 02:06 PM (#4178738) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Right now there is another Grand Jury empaneled in Washington, D.C., and a hearing by Friday called by a judge in the earlier case, inquiring into the nature of that GJ, to determine if it is overlapping what has already been covered. The talking heads discussing it assure listeners that Jack Smith has a separate investigation going. We may learn more at the time of that hearing. |
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08 Aug 23 - 03:53 PM (#4178743) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome Too much going on! |
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09 Aug 23 - 06:27 AM (#4178795) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Ah Ha Another Grand Jury is meeting to determine campaign finance fraud. It seems campaign donation funds went to legal defense bills. You're right legalese gets so 'com[;icated' the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. |
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09 Aug 23 - 06:59 AM (#4178797) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I picture the Supreme Court like a three panel editorial cartoon. The first shows the Court as is, the second shows the Court with a toll booth during W Bush. The last shows the Trump Court like a Clarance Thomas Rigomatic slot machine that requires millions of dollars to play. |
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09 Aug 23 - 07:56 AM (#4178798) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel What is a super majority? It is a very old threshold for approval. In a US jury it is 100% or unanimous. In Congress, there are 2 thirds or 3 fifths super majorities depending on the issue. Hamilton and Madison saw the evil that could lead to minority rule and not fairness. We usually think in terms of a simple 50 + majority in elections. I see States like FL using super majority for minority rule. They tried to do it in Ohio last night and failed. |
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09 Aug 23 - 11:21 AM (#4178821) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The New York Times has an article this morning about the co-conspirators and the plot they hatched regarding fake electors. Trump's goose is well and truly cooked with that one. And those guys will do some real jail time. |
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09 Aug 23 - 12:14 PM (#4178827) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Lets play FAMILY FEUD. We have the Fraud family and the Milarky family today. Match the best audience response for points, Mr. Fraud what movie is most like your family? "Thats easy, The Godfather." Survey says... X no match. Mr. Milarky What movie is most like your family..."UM... National Lampoons Christmas Vacation." SURVEY SAYS...DING DING DING you matched 2 audience answers. Mr. Fraud What is the best preventative for Covid 19?.... Yep Trump has more experience with fraud schemes than most politicians. |
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09 Aug 23 - 12:45 PM (#4178832) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Here is the article I read this morning: Previously Secret Memo Laid Out Strategy for Trump to Overturn Biden’s Win The House Jan. 6 committee’s investigation did not uncover the memo, whose existence first came to light in last week’s indictment. Talk about a smoking gun. |
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09 Aug 23 - 12:58 PM (#4178835) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Georgia Grand Jury Likely to Hear Trump Case Next Week The district attorney in Atlanta is expected to take the findings from an election interference investigation to a grand jury, which could issue indictments. On Tuesday afternoon, two witnesses who received subpoenas to appear before the Fulton County grand jury said in interviews that they had not received notices instructing them to testify within the next 48 hours, a sign that the case will not get to the jury until next week. |
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09 Aug 23 - 01:02 PM (#4178836) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel In bizarro land Trump convinced himself this was just a diversionary tiny fraud to buy time and then declare Martial Law. In reality, it is as big a fraud can get. |
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09 Aug 23 - 01:58 PM (#4178847) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Trump tells his disciples he didn't have to go into politics, and "frankly" he'd rather be in the south of France than in what he recently called the "dying" United States. https://www.yahoo.com/news/hates-america-trump-slammed-admitting-071531117.html Do said disciples care? Of course not. It just shows how much more he's ready to sacrifice personally to save America. A couple of weeks ago, he promised to "reopen the frontier" by building ten "Freedom Cities" as big as Washington on government land, creating tens of thousands of jobs. People will commute in flying cars. I am not making this up. https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardmcgahey/2023/03/07/trumps-freedom-cities-ignore-americas-real-urban-needs/?sh=1000cc4a55a3 |
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09 Aug 23 - 02:41 PM (#4178849) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter More on topic, it only gets worse: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-pushes-total-lie-georgia-214942291.html |
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10 Aug 23 - 06:02 AM (#4178910) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel A guy my age with an arsenal said he would shoot Biden and a NY prosecutor on the internet. When the FBI did a follow-up with the whacko before Biden went to Utah, the guy attacked the FBI and that ended his day. To avoid copycats I'm not seeing this story leading the news. |
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10 Aug 23 - 07:32 AM (#4178915) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The AR epublican 15 party is still hoping to establish minority rule by the gun. Out of 70 million people they are counting on some unfortunate souls to shoot selected opponents. Republican leaders (DeSantis, TN legislature) are now firing Democratic ELECTED officials which is at least less permanent than shooting. |
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10 Aug 23 - 10:45 PM (#4178917) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Next week the shit hits the fan in Atlanta. Until then, I'm going to tune out the talking heads; this topic wears on one after a while. |
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11 Aug 23 - 07:01 AM (#4178925) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Have a deserved vacation, |
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12 Aug 23 - 12:00 AM (#4178999) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Former US president Donald Trump warned to limit posts about election interference case |
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12 Aug 23 - 07:33 AM (#4179019) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome What are the chances of him heeding that warning and what happens when he doesn't? |
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13 Aug 23 - 10:28 AM (#4179097) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Two separate parties indicated on Saturday news shows that they have subpoenas requiring their Grand Jury testimony appearances on Tuesday morning. There are general notifications of an upcoming appearance and then there is the one telling them when or where that is issued 48 hours ahead (or two working days). |
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14 Aug 23 - 04:26 AM (#4179143) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome I find it worrying that he is still being considered. Just shows what a vocal (and violent at times!) minority can do. |
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14 Aug 23 - 09:34 AM (#4179157) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > Just shows what a vocal (and violent at times!) minority can do. MaJoC's empty-barrel theory of political leverage: The attention paid is proportional to the volume, but the volume is inversely proportional to the semantic content. I've probably said at least some of that before, so I'll try to prove my point by shutting up before I *really* succumb to the lure of the open mouth. |
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14 Aug 23 - 03:44 PM (#4179179) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Fani Willis is moving quickly today; a witness (journalist) originally subpoenaed for tomorrow morning was brought in this afternoon instead. And Trump is making statements about who should or shouldn't testify. The former LT. Governor is called for tomorrow. Sounds like he has some real dirt on Trump. Trump might not be able to get bail in Georgia. The rules say a defendant can get bail only if they aren’t a risk to intimidate witnesses or obstruct justice. |
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14 Aug 23 - 06:02 PM (#4179188) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel It's true I was out ahead of the Trump saga but so were Bill Mahre and many others. The open-mouth predictions were called an obsession by the usual subjects but the volume was 11 and what I saw coming was a tornado of con men and sharks. A sharkconado. At this point, the Trump legal team will need 4 hits in a row which ain't easy. What remains to be seen is a sentence of house arrest or jail. A violent narcissist requires others to do violence on his behalf. There is bound to be another Rittenhouse out there who may affect the election in the worst way. Trump no longer has control of the levers of power so the mob is all he has left. he has to threaten and intimidate. The mean American rhetoric has gone from libtard to I'm coming for you and I'M GOING TO SLIT THEIR THROAT. Another thing that ain't easy is running for President from home with an ankle bracelet. |
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14 Aug 23 - 11:14 PM (#4179205) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage They have him as the head of a criminal enterprise, 19 charged, Trump at the top of the list. State cases can't be pardoned by president. He is well and truly phucked. The full document as PDF via the New York Times. |
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15 Aug 23 - 06:30 AM (#4179231) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome I have just read about a leaked document that was inaccurate. Is the link above the real one? |
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15 Aug 23 - 11:04 AM (#4179246) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Not sure what the earlier document was. I suspect someone in the clerk's office got ahead of things. A reporter in the brief press conference last night asked Willis about it, said it was identical. Willis said she doesn't know about the functioning of the website in the clerk's office and wasn't going to try to answer that question. Someone may have been testing putting up the document in anticipation of the outcome later that evening (I suspect the first version wasn't signed yet?) |
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15 Aug 23 - 12:18 PM (#4179252) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Now he is indicted for a total of 91 charges. A portion of his base will be reluctant voters. With my imagination, I can see another high tech coup with Russain help using AI Deep fakes and network and cable hacking. The hacking of the cable networks is the easy part. With my own eyes I have seen C-Span hacked by Russians 8 years ago. But putting Mission Impossible scenarios aside, Trump will become more of a joke and less of a martyr as time goes on. |
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16 Aug 23 - 11:18 AM (#4179301) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Supposedly Trump has hidden irrefutable evidence of his win over Biden. He will release it in a couple of weeks. MAY THE BEST SCAM WIN. |
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16 Aug 23 - 11:56 AM (#4179303) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Yesterday I stumbled upon content for an individual who is liberal on environmental issues but contrarily conservative on politics. The content of his social media accounts is off-putting, and I noticed yesterday there is a four-plus minute screed going around with Trump announcing that as soon as he's re-elected he'll appoint a special council to investigate Biden for all of his election shenanigans. Trump telegraphs to the world what he's doing by accusing his opponents of the same thing. |
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16 Aug 23 - 06:07 PM (#4179321) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump supporters have started a doxing campaign of the Georgia Grand jurors. There is also new elector plot video evidence. It shows Roger Stone dictating the fraudulent elector plot. |
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17 Aug 23 - 11:11 PM (#4179364) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I stayed up and watched it, and the next day watched MSNBC after they'd all had time to read the documents. It's more of the same - Trump BS. The development today is that his attorneys wrote a brief of some sort proposing that the Washington, D.C. trial be pushed to 2026. |
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17 Aug 23 - 11:46 PM (#4179366) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Isn't the Daily Mail a hot mess in the UK like FAUX News is in the US? Then it seems appropriate to find them publishing Furious Donald Trump demands Fox News stop showing unflattering photo of him where he looks 'big and orange' with his 'chin pulled way back' Grab a copy of the photo and share it every chance you get. . . |
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18 Aug 23 - 01:01 AM (#4179368) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Funny, SRS! That photo looks suspiciously like it has been generated by AI. Come to think of it, maybe Trump should use AI to generate an impression that he has intelligence. Might work! |
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18 Aug 23 - 04:06 AM (#4179382) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > Might work! .... until he opens his mouth. There was an article on the Web some years ago about some picture-mutating AI stunt, where a group took certain politicians' pictures, and imposed on them a particular horror magazine's drawing style. The one of Theresa May proved their point; what surprised me was that with the one they did of The Donald, I couldn't tell the difference from how he normally looks. |
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18 Aug 23 - 05:43 PM (#4179399) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter I don't know about that particular photo, but Trump has used that expression in the past when he's making fun of something. It seems to mean, "Isn't that the absolutely stupidest anti-Trump statement ever made in the history of our country?" He holds the pose for just a few seconds. |
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18 Aug 23 - 05:46 PM (#4179400) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Looks don't matter but they are important to sociopath narcissists. |
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18 Aug 23 - 06:06 PM (#4179408) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen An interesting analytical article: Donald Trump, Young Thug, and the Georgia law that threatens to jail both for years |
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18 Aug 23 - 06:11 PM (#4179409) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel An architect of the fake elector plot is found on video at the Jan.6 insurrection riot. Ken Chesebro had earlier pleaded the 5th to the question "where were you on Jan.6th". He was supposedly hanging out with Alex Jones but I did not see Alex. Bill Barr is still trying to save his own ass. Thats galling. |
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18 Aug 23 - 06:14 PM (#4179410) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Part of his power is that he has an extraordinarily mobile face. Some people find his repertoire of smirks, shrugs, scowls, smiles, and clownish mugging (as in the photo) irresistible. They love his cha-cha moves with lowered brows, and they love when he lowers his brows and smiles broadly while pointing at random suckers in the crowd to establish the cheap illusion of personal interest. They love how he applauds them applauding him. Add to these his large size, idiosyncratic long tie, newly golden hair, super-modulated voice, frequent insults, scorn for logical argument, and mastery of verbal conning techniques, and you have a juggernaut of demogoguery, dear to millions. |
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18 Aug 23 - 06:28 PM (#4179413) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump cancels his irrefutable evidence scam. |
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19 Aug 23 - 11:47 AM (#4179484) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump in 1987 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/07/a-decades-old-crime-reminds-us-that-donald-trump-would-rather-appear-tough-than-be-just/ Link searched and fixed. ---mudelf |
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21 Aug 23 - 05:00 PM (#4179592) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Former president Donald Trump's bond set at $US200,000 ($AU310,000) in Georgia case on scheming to overturn election I think $200k would just be pocket money for him. |
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21 Aug 23 - 05:01 PM (#4179593) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen "The bond agreement, outlined in a court filing signed by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis and Mr Trump's defence attorneys, also bars Trump from intimidating co-defendants, witnesses or victims in the case — including on social media. "He is also prohibited from communicating "in any way, directly or indirectly" about the facts of the case with any co-defendant or witness, except through attorneys." |
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21 Aug 23 - 11:56 PM (#4179602) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Meanwhile in the District of Columbia, Judge Chutkan will set an early trial because Trump's lawyers aren't engaging 'legitimately': Ex-prosecutor |
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22 Aug 23 - 06:54 AM (#4179614) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel GEORGIA MAKES NEW LAW JUST FOR PROSECUTOR FANNI https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/georgia-elections-oversight-commission-kemp-willis/index.html Iowa voters think Biden is too socialist and Catholic, Jesus is too woke but Trump is j u s t right. |
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22 Aug 23 - 09:27 AM (#4179620) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Any data to support those claims? |
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22 Aug 23 - 10:11 AM (#4179622) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Let's not quibble. I've been told often that Biden is both a "Marxist" and "demented. The guy's senile! He can't strong two sentences together!" As for Jesus, a local columnist asked whether it was coincidental that Trump's first indictment came during Holy Week. Now I see that it's actually a thing: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-arraignment-jesus-christ-conspiracy-theory-670c45bd71b3466dcd6e8e188badcd1d In 2016 heard two women independently liken Trump to God (yes, that was the word they used). Asked what she thought of Donald Trump just last week, an Iowa voter said, "Trump is everything! There's God." She raised a hand above her head. "And there's Trump." She gestured about two inches lower. And, as they say, now this: "In the CBS News/YouGov survey, Trump voters were asked to pick who they feel tells them the truth. Trump gathered 71 percent of the vote, friends and family gathered 63 percent, conservative media figures had 56 percent, and religious leaders gathered 42 percent. The poll was conducted between August 16-18 and interviewed 2,061 U.S. adult residents. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 points for the sample overall." https://www.newsweek.com/trump-voters-trust-ex-president-more-their-family-friends-poll-1821138 It's concerning. |
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22 Aug 23 - 10:17 AM (#4179623) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Yes, Steve, unfortunately there is. Once Willis started the work to indict Trump, the GOP legislature put a law into place to allow them to remove any prosecutors they don't like. And yes, the Iowa poll is a horror show at the beginning of the political season. |
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22 Aug 23 - 10:30 AM (#4179624) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel A serious person would google woke Jesus on their own. |
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22 Aug 23 - 10:32 AM (#4179625) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter If Trump wins in Iowa, not even jail can keep him from running. Literally and legally. Latest polls: B and T are neck and neck nationally. |
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22 Aug 23 - 10:58 AM (#4179627) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw "Iowa voters think..." All of them? "Cornish voters voted for Brexit." I've heard that said. Well I'm a Cornish voter and I didn't vote for brexit. Not a brush I want to be tarred with, and I imagine that plenty of voters in Iowa would object to the characterisation of them presented here. Playing fast and loose with facts is, er, rather Trump-like, yes? |
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22 Aug 23 - 11:06 AM (#4179629) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I know it's only your adversarial touch Steve so you don't need a link for Goldilocks too. 41 Texas inmates have died during the heat wave but the Georgia Fulton prison is known for being as bad as there is. If Donald breaks his $200,000 bail rules he might be held there. |
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22 Aug 23 - 11:18 AM (#4179630) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Yes, Steve, every single person in Iowa expressed an opinion to the poll takers and every single one supported Trump. [not] Will you stop picking arguments where everyone understood what was said but you need to make it absurd? Trump was told he can't break the law (including make threats over social media). Trump's bond set at $200,000 in Georgia case, warned about social media threats A Fulton County judge has set former President Donald Trump's bond at $200,000 in District Attorney Fani Willis' election interference case. That story also states that 42% of caucus goers polled have indicated support. Those are GOP caucus goers, and a percentage were polled and there is always a margin of error. In case you were thinking of blowing that up into the whole state of Iowa population again. |
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22 Aug 23 - 12:05 PM (#4179641) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Critical thinking 101: In unqualified and unelaborated phrases such as "Iowa voters think" or "Mudcatters prefer," it should be inferred that *some*, not *all*, of the indicated group are meant. |
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22 Aug 23 - 04:15 PM (#4179676) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Backwoodsman I would interpret the statement “Iowa voters think…” to mean “[A majority of] Iowa voters think…. Seems fairly common sense to me. |
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22 Aug 23 - 07:37 PM (#4179692) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Article 3 of the 14th Amendment renders Trump ineligible to run for any office. A state AG would have to declare Trump can not be on his state's ballot and when Trump sued it would go to the Supreme Court. The language is unambiguous and only leaves the enforcement in question. Much of the Constitution is written with a broad brush but not the 14th Amendment. Trump's defense wants to make his speech and actions political but they are not political in State or Constitutional law. I'm back from my 36th anniversary dinner. My wife is shooting for 50 but I probably won't remember who Trump was on my 50th anniversary. |
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23 Aug 23 - 12:49 AM (#4179704) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The 14th Amendment is what is going to, in the end, eliminate Trump from the race. |
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23 Aug 23 - 12:53 AM (#4179705) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I would interpret the statement “Iowa voters think…” to mean “[A majority of] Iowa voters think…]. Seems fairly common sense to me. A majority of Iowa voters weren't polled. Only a fraction of GOP voters. That is a small subset of Iowa voters, and I have a couple of friends up there who would be quick to tell you that no one asked them what they thought. |
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23 Aug 23 - 02:25 AM (#4179708) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Backwoodsman Which just demonstrates the deliberate deceit in the statement ‘Iowa voters think…’. I tend to take most of the things I read in the media and the press with a sizeable pinch of salt. |
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23 Aug 23 - 07:36 PM (#4179752) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The gang of 18 have been surrendering and posting bail in Georgia this week, with Trump heading in on Thursday. There is a GOP "debate" this evening that I don't intend to watch, and I won't watch Trump's interview either. The discussion that is picking up momentum is the way in which the Fourteenth Amendment may be applied to the upcoming election. It doesn't say "after due process" anyone who has sworn to uphold the Constitution who participates in an insurrection such as January 6 is ineligible to hold office. But how to exclude them? It may come down to states attorneys general simply not allowing their names on ballots. Trouble is, there are some who will play tit for tat and try to do the same to Biden with no cause. So - tread carefully, and hope he negotiates his freedom by promising never to run for office again. |
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23 Aug 23 - 07:56 PM (#4179756) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Every time he's charged/indicted his popularity among Republicans goes up. We had a graph of it on the telly tonight. That alone won't get him to the White House, but, to many of us outsiders, it's utterly incomprehensible. |
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24 Aug 23 - 08:51 AM (#4179798) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Correction: A state's secretary of State would have to remove Trump from the ballot via the 14th Amendment, not the AG. 'Ramaswarmy; is quite a piece of work. |
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24 Aug 23 - 12:25 PM (#4179828) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump has swapped horses mid-stream. He just replaced his original Georgia lawyer with someone who has experience challenging Georgia's RICO law. Trump replaces top Georgia lawyer ahead of surrender A Trump source indicated that this was not about Findling’s performance, while another familiar with Sadow called him the “best criminal defense attorney in Georgia.” Trump’s other Georgia attorney, Jennifer Little, is expected to stay on the legal team and work with Sadow. He can criticise the RICO law all he wants, but chances are he can't do anything about it. Days before Trump revamped his legal team, Findling and his partner Marissa Goldberg, along with Little, met with Willis to hash out a $200,000 bond for Trump. The bond and other pre-negotiated conditions of Trump’s release will allow him to be quickly processed when he turns himself in at the Fulton County jail Thursday evening. Aha! A primetime surrender. |
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24 Aug 23 - 12:47 PM (#4179831) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter He says he will submit "proudly" to arrest. Because each indictment is a "great badge of honor." |
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24 Aug 23 - 12:58 PM (#4179834) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Ebbie I did watch the GOP frontrunners' debate. It was a children's play yard. Although she is not one I'd vote for, given an alternative, the one person who came across as 'normal' was Nikki Haley. |
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24 Aug 23 - 02:00 PM (#4179844) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage That was a general conclusion on MSNBC also. As awful as she is, she's "normal." Meanwhile, when considering the occupants of the Trump clown car, here's a look back at Giuliani's aspirations. There's a financial newsletter I subscribe to that comes up with interesting insights into politics and financial topics (usually intertwined). From last week: Giuliani Was in the Running to Be Trump’s Attorney General. His Authoritarian Rule as Mayor Suggests a Nightmare Outcome American democracy is in a slow death gurgle from the repetition of Orwellian reverse-speak slogans: “Make America Great Again,” “Save America,” “Drain the Swamp,” and “America’s Mayor.” Read the rest at the link. |
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24 Aug 23 - 05:07 PM (#4179864) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Haley normal? With five others she pledged to support Trump's candidacy, if he's nominated, even if he's been convicted of a felony. Hutchinson and Christie were the only ones to say Trump is, was, and ever will be unfit to be president. Now that's normal. |
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24 Aug 23 - 05:54 PM (#4179867) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw I've seen only snippets of the goings-on and I can hardly believe what I'm seeing. |
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24 Aug 23 - 06:03 PM (#4179869) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Bill D I really like " Orwellian reverse-speak slogans: SRS... That's all 99% of their 'platform' is, vague slogans. |
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24 Aug 23 - 06:05 PM (#4179870) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter It's beyond belief but true. A local columnist (a retired physician) this week: "President Trump has now been been indicted by the corrupt justice system for the fourth time with a total of 91 charges ...[and] Biden's Secretary of State Anthony Blinken even has the nerve to criticize Russia for Putin's prosecution of his political enemies." |
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24 Aug 23 - 07:25 PM (#4179880) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Your system is weird. You have elections on fixed dates every four years. You spend nearly half of that four years fighting the next election. The fighting seems to consist of bunches of maniacs who shouldn't be anywhere near politics trying to outdo each other in proving to the country that they can out-lunatic all the others. We have maximum terms of five years, though the PM can call an election whenever he or she wants, subject to that limit. We have just four or five weeks of intense campaigning. No-one's pretending that our politicos don't keep an eye and a half on the next election years ahead, but I have a feeling that your style of campaigning would go down like a lead balloon with our electorate. I haven't got a superiority complex about it, however, as we seem to be able to throw up idiots to run us who are almost as bad as yours. Democracy, eh? |
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25 Aug 23 - 07:01 AM (#4179910) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump fired his 'best lawyer' imo before his booking. I can surmise/guess that the lawyer suggested that Trump plead out, which is to take a deal to avoid jail time but accept guilt. Trump may want to claim as much victimization and martyrdom as possible. A strategy like that is asking for a life sentence at his age. The 34-vehicle motorcade stopped at the jailhouse only 26 minutes since the process was highly expedited. |
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25 Aug 23 - 07:11 AM (#4179911) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk SRS, Bill D: *agree* re NewSpeak*. I'm waiting for a politician to seamlessly change "war against Eurasia" to "war against Eastasia" in mid-speech. * Which treacherously respelt itself in my ear as "News Speak". |
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25 Aug 23 - 08:57 AM (#4179913) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw So Trump has never heard of the term "mugshot." I was immediately reminded of the maverick judge James Pickles in the 1960s who asked the barristers in the courtroom, "Who ARE these 'Beatles'?" (Possibly an apocryphal yarn, but I like it anyway) |
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25 Aug 23 - 08:59 AM (#4179914) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk Herself insisted on watching the entire process (I slept through any actual appearance of His Orangeness), and asked wherefore so many cars. My response at the time was "they've got to have at least one decoy car", but 34 vehicles (*ghasp*) .... I've realised now it's because it takes 135 heavies from the Secret Service to protect him from real life. |
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25 Aug 23 - 09:14 AM (#4179915) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel It seems to me that Putin has far more motivation to influence a Trump election than ever. Could he go from Facebook bots to some dire direct action? His desperation has probably never been higher with the Ukraine war, sanctions, economy, and a near coup. If ever there was a time for Putin to go all in, it is our next election depending upon the status of a Trump candidacy. While Trump has defied the odds most of his life I am betting he may not get as far as selecting a running mate like someone of Jim Jordan's ilk. |
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25 Aug 23 - 12:35 PM (#4179930) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: SPB-Cooperator I reckon the turnip is setting himself up as a political martyr to incite and escalate violent insurrections by the right-wing gun nuts. |
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25 Aug 23 - 12:39 PM (#4179931) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw A random selection of what the Daily Mash thinks about Mugshot Man: "Joe Turner said: 'I’ve turned around in Asda and seen this guy staring at me like that because I got between him and the white muffins.'" “He thinks he looks tough? He looks like the morning after the first time a woman told him his impotence is his own fault and a big deal, and he’s going around outraged telling the whole bowls club." “That’s the expression of a man who’s once again watching next door’s cat shit on his bedding plants. Or a poster advising you to get your prostate checked." |
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25 Aug 23 - 02:21 PM (#4179940) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Remarkably he has grown one inch taller and lost over 20 ibs since his last indictment. He wouldn't lie about his height, weight, and hair color, would he? |
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25 Aug 23 - 02:56 PM (#4179942) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: robomatic In response to those of the UK persuasion who constantly opine about the incredible wastefulness of US political behavior: One of my favorite news anchors of the 70s was Howard K. Smith, who not only reported the news in the era of 3 network prime time, but could talk intelligently about it. Every few years he indulged himself in telling us his fellow countrymen some of the benefits of the UK parliamentary system, particularly in time and cost of preparing and administering political campaigns and elections. I am often tempted to start a thread in the name of Jeremy Bentham, the English philosopher, jurist, and social reformer regarded as the founder of modern utilitarianism. He was and remains ahead of his time. His "Short Review of the Declaration" should be read more than once by every U.S. citizen who tears up at the words of Thomas Jefferson (of which I are one). |
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25 Aug 23 - 03:25 PM (#4179943) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage English Philosopher’s Dressed-Up Skeleton Goes on View in New Glass Display When utilitarian thinker Jeremy Bentham died in 1832, he requested his preserved remains be displayed in “an appropriate box or case” Don't give Trump ideas! He won't want to be buried beside a green at his New Jersey golf club. So all 19 have turned themselves in, and one is still in jail (or was last I heard, I think there's a hearing today about that.) He didn't have the collateral or cash for bail, or it may be he had a previous charge that made this one more complicated to sort out? |
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25 Aug 23 - 04:14 PM (#4179946) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Talking about mugshots, look at this Oz politician who has loudly and publicly quit the racist, hate-based One Nation political party. (BTW he didn't quit because it is racist and hate-based. He knew that before he joined them.) Look at his photo on that page. Mark Latham quits One Nation, accuses party of 'defrauding NSW electoral funds' The photo reminds me not only of Trump's not-happy mugshot but also of the Muppet character Animal. |
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25 Aug 23 - 04:47 PM (#4179951) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk Oooohhh, don't be so hard on Animal, Helen. .... I'd better reread 1984 for revision. What I thought when I first saw the offending mugshot is left as an exercise for the reader. |
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25 Aug 23 - 05:47 PM (#4179955) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk Second thoughts (once I could bear to look at said ugly mug): That's the face of a toddler who knows he's done wrong, and has just been Told Off. *Now* I know what Sir Pterry meant by someone having "a face like a smacked bottom". |
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25 Aug 23 - 06:05 PM (#4179959) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen MaJoC, are you referring to the orange one for the toddler face or the Aussie pollie? If it is Trump, he doesn't ever know he has done wrong so he wouldn't pull that face, not for that reason anyway. It's more likely that he is desperately trying not to shoot his mouth off and dig a deeper hole for himself. |
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25 Aug 23 - 06:10 PM (#4179960) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Sorry, but he knows exactly what he's doing. Be very afraid. |
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25 Aug 23 - 06:34 PM (#4179963) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel When you lie and steal for a lifetime you too would think it is entirely unfair to suddenly be told "No you may not lie and steal any longer and you will be punished for doing what you have always done". He may be clever at lying and stealing but he is ill-equipped to truly see who he is. In a way, he does not understand what he has done. He thinks in terms of his normal operating procedures. Pathological narcissism presents some unique abnormalities. Fortunatly... Ignorance is no defense. |
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25 Aug 23 - 09:55 PM (#4179972) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage One of those indicted is still in jail and another is complaining that she can't afford representation. On MSNBC this evening that talked about those being low-hanging fruit as far as making a deal to make some of their problems go away. That Trump would do well to see that all of them have lawyers so they don't turn against him. But he's too cheap, he will cut off his own nose to spite his face regarding the fees. |
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26 Aug 23 - 04:15 AM (#4179983) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw He's the arch-populist and he does know exactly what he's doing. Why do you think his standing improves with every move he makes? But it's a long run-in to the next election and I suspect that his current extremely high profile will turn into a pall of negativity over time that will wear the electorate down. We can but hope. |
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26 Aug 23 - 06:53 AM (#4179990) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk In advertising, there's no such thing as negative publicity. Far too many years ago, I heard it said that an advertiser doesn't care whether you love the product or hate the product: what he's really afraid of is the possibility that you've never heard of the product. |
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26 Aug 23 - 09:59 AM (#4180000) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump no longer lives a charmed life as his bad acts are catching up. He's hemorrhaging cash. It won't be pretty and it may not be entirely satisfactory for his enemies, but he's going down. |
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26 Aug 23 - 11:10 AM (#4180004) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump thirsts for racist revenge, personal revenge, and financial revenge. Its his SOP. We all know some vengeful maniacs like that. |
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26 Aug 23 - 11:10 AM (#4188590) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump thirsts for racist revenge, personal revenge, and financial revenge. Its his SOP. We all know some vengeful maniacs like that. |
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26 Aug 23 - 01:04 PM (#4188592) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Sports betting is taking bets on Trump's trial outcomes https://sportsbetting.legal/news/what-are-donald-trumps-odds-of-serving-jail-time-before-2026/ |
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26 Aug 23 - 01:04 PM (#4180013) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Sports betting is taking bets on Trump's trial outcomes https://sportsbetting.legal/news/what-are-donald-trumps-odds-of-serving-jail-time-before-2026/ |
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26 Aug 23 - 07:27 PM (#4180045) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Going back to the substantive, here's a Brit view of recent Republican shenanigans from the Guardian: Donald Trump stayed away from Wednesday’s Republican candidates’ debate in Milwaukee. Yet he remained the evening’s dominant presence. The former president’s poll lead among Republican supporters for the 2024 US presidential contest is so strong that he could afford to do this. His absence deliberately belittled both the televised event, as he simultaneously gave an imperiously misleading social media interview to Tucker Carlson, and his eight challengers, who were left vying to impress in a fantasy “What if?” contest over the choice for a party not in fact dominated by Mr Trump. Absence also allowed Mr Trump, on the eve of his latest court appearance in Atlanta and now facing 91 felony counts in four separate criminal cases, to avoid offering himself as a target to his eight rivals. Not that he need have worried about that. Most of them went out of their way all evening to pay him repeated homage. No one did this more shamelessly than the Ohio entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, who told the audience both that Mr Trump was the best Republican president of the 21st century and that, if elected, Mr Ramaswamy would instantly pardon him for whatever he may have been convicted of in the meantime. By identifying deliberately with Mr Trump’s outsider status, Mr Ramaswamy did two things. He made a bid to be Mr Trump’s running-mate next year and he also separated himself from the platform’s professional politicians. These seven all see themselves, with varying degrees of credibility, as the alternative candidate to Mr Trump. Their shared problem is that the party shows little sign of being interested in such a person. Certainly not in the former vice-president Mike Pence, whose certification of Joe Biden’s victory in January 2021 was supported by most of his fellow candidates but remains heretical to Trump supporters. And probably not in the Florida governor Ron DeSantis either, who entered the debate as the nominal chief rival to Mr Trump but who once again did relatively little to cement that claim. Maybe you yanks don't see it in quite the same way, or maybe (as has been expressed here more than once) you think that we Brits don't get it because we don't live over there (and presumably don't get our info from Fox News). Thing is, we see Trump as a world issue, not just a US domestic issue, and we're worried. |
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26 Aug 23 - 07:27 PM (#4188802) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Going back to the substantive, here's a Brit view of recent Republican shenanigans from the Guardian: Donald Trump stayed away from Wednesday’s Republican candidates’ debate in Milwaukee. Yet he remained the evening’s dominant presence. The former president’s poll lead among Republican supporters for the 2024 US presidential contest is so strong that he could afford to do this. His absence deliberately belittled both the televised event, as he simultaneously gave an imperiously misleading social media interview to Tucker Carlson, and his eight challengers, who were left vying to impress in a fantasy “What if?” contest over the choice for a party not in fact dominated by Mr Trump. Absence also allowed Mr Trump, on the eve of his latest court appearance in Atlanta and now facing 91 felony counts in four separate criminal cases, to avoid offering himself as a target to his eight rivals. Not that he need have worried about that. Most of them went out of their way all evening to pay him repeated homage. No one did this more shamelessly than the Ohio entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, who told the audience both that Mr Trump was the best Republican president of the 21st century and that, if elected, Mr Ramaswamy would instantly pardon him for whatever he may have been convicted of in the meantime. By identifying deliberately with Mr Trump’s outsider status, Mr Ramaswamy did two things. He made a bid to be Mr Trump’s running-mate next year and he also separated himself from the platform’s professional politicians. These seven all see themselves, with varying degrees of credibility, as the alternative candidate to Mr Trump. Their shared problem is that the party shows little sign of being interested in such a person. Certainly not in the former vice-president Mike Pence, whose certification of Joe Biden’s victory in January 2021 was supported by most of his fellow candidates but remains heretical to Trump supporters. And probably not in the Florida governor Ron DeSantis either, who entered the debate as the nominal chief rival to Mr Trump but who once again did relatively little to cement that claim. Maybe you yanks don't see it in quite the same way, or maybe (as has been expressed here more than once) you think that we Brits don't get it because we don't live over there (and presumably don't get our info from Fox News). Thing is, we see Trump as a world issue, not just a US domestic issue, and we're worried. |
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26 Aug 23 - 09:26 PM (#4188695) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The GOP candidates are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. As long as they keep supporting Trump, they are irrelevant. The issues that will get people to the polls don't have to do with Trump; it has to do with the Supreme Court. You need to go to a more granular level. The state issues to do with access to abortion and birth control and LGBTQ-rights are where pissed off American women and families and their allies are making the difference. |
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26 Aug 23 - 09:26 PM (#4180048) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The GOP candidates are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. As long as they keep supporting Trump, they are irrelevant. The issues that will get people to the polls don't have to do with Trump; it has to do with the Supreme Court. You need to go to a more granular level. The state issues to do with access to abortion and birth control and LGBTQ-rights are where pissed off American women and families and their allies are making the difference. |
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26 Aug 23 - 10:18 PM (#4180052) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > As long as they keep supporting Trump, they are irrelevant. *Agree*, Stilly: the Eight Dwarves are not so much leading as following from the front. But they (and Trump, for that matter) have a tiger-by-the-tail problem: once you're at the head of a zombie army, it's unwise to stumble. Hm: four metaphors in one paragraph. Is this a record? |
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26 Aug 23 - 10:18 PM (#4188838) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > As long as they keep supporting Trump, they are irrelevant. *Agree*, Stilly: the Eight Dwarves are not so much leading as following from the front. But they (and Trump, for that matter) have a tiger-by-the-tail problem: once you're at the head of a zombie army, it's unwise to stumble. Hm: four metaphors in one paragraph. Is this a record? |
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26 Aug 23 - 10:33 PM (#4188839) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > If it is Trump, he doesn't ever know he has done wrong He doesn't ever *admit* he's done wrong, Helen. I'm no shrink, but methinks that smacked-bottom face is his subconscious trying to get through to him. |
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26 Aug 23 - 10:33 PM (#4180053) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > If it is Trump, he doesn't ever know he has done wrong He doesn't ever *admit* he's done wrong, Helen. I'm no shrink, but methinks that smacked-bottom face is his subconscious trying to get through to him. |
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26 Aug 23 - 11:18 PM (#4180055) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Maybe MaJoC, or maybe it is all that volcanic verbal lava trying to bubble up and out of his mouth and he, for once in his life, thinking that maybe it would be a better strategic, self-preservation plan not to let it out. If I was a betting person, I'd bet that the primal urge to talk will overtake even the urge for self preservation. |
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26 Aug 23 - 11:18 PM (#4188535) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Maybe MaJoC, or maybe it is all that volcanic verbal lava trying to bubble up and out of his mouth and he, for once in his life, thinking that maybe it would be a better strategic, self-preservation plan not to let it out. If I was a betting person, I'd bet that the primal urge to talk will overtake even the urge for self preservation. |
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27 Aug 23 - 09:47 AM (#4180077) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Confirmation that Prigozhin was killed in that plane explosion last week. Putin is a bad example for Trump; should the orange one end up in office again I fear he wouldn't put any parts of the Putin playbook off limits. Another reason to not even let him run. |
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27 Aug 23 - 09:47 AM (#4188696) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Confirmation that Prigozhin was killed in that plane explosion last week. Putin is a bad example for Trump; should the orange one end up in office again I fear he wouldn't put any parts of the Putin playbook off limits. Another reason to not even let him run. |
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27 Aug 23 - 03:09 PM (#4180090) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen SRS, a lot of things surprised me about Trump, but the one thing which surprised me about the whole saga was how Putin was playing him like a violin. Surprising and very scary. |
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27 Aug 23 - 03:09 PM (#4188536) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen SRS, a lot of things surprised me about Trump, but the one thing which surprised me about the whole saga was how Putin was playing him like a violin. Surprising and very scary. |
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27 Aug 23 - 06:22 PM (#4188594) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I believe Americans AND Europeans are equally educated that a high cultured society like Germany or even the US can go from a reasoned society to one where it is socially acceptable to shoot, hang, and gas women and children to death on a Saturday and go to church Sunday over just 10 short years of cultural change. Replacement theory does not veil its genocidal final solution. Participation in such a killing society varies from a simple hatred of certain neighbors to the actual murderers. The change is done incrementally. I think it is a small step to go from mass shootings to organized mass shootings nationwide. It probably takes someone like Trump to normalize the unthinkable. |
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27 Aug 23 - 06:22 PM (#4180094) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I believe Americans AND Europeans are equally educated that a high cultured society like Germany or even the US can go from a reasoned society to one where it is socially acceptable to shoot, hang, and gas women and children to death on a Saturday and go to church Sunday over just 10 short years of cultural change. Replacement theory does not veil its genocidal final solution. Participation in such a killing society varies from a simple hatred of certain neighbors to the actual murderers. The change is done incrementally. I think it is a small step to go from mass shootings to organized mass shootings nationwide. It probably takes someone like Trump to normalize the unthinkable. |
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28 Aug 23 - 08:35 AM (#4180114) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > It probably takes someone like Trump to normalize the unthinkable. Normalising the unthinkable is the standard MO of antisocial meeja, and TV and newspapers before that, and all for the same reason: outrage drives income. The Orange Buffoon is, after all, at least partly the product of (un)reality TV .... *how* long did he spend in Makeup before that mugshot? |
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28 Aug 23 - 08:35 AM (#4188840) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > It probably takes someone like Trump to normalize the unthinkable. Normalising the unthinkable is the standard MO of antisocial meeja, and TV and newspapers before that, and all for the same reason: outrage drives income. The Orange Buffoon is, after all, at least partly the product of (un)reality TV .... *how* long did he spend in Makeup before that mugshot? |
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28 Aug 23 - 11:36 PM (#4188713) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump's Chief of Staff Meadows spent several hours testifying today, trying to get his trial moved to federal court. His version of things is now etched in stone - under oath, anything he said can and will be used against him. One of the group has filed to waive the arraignment hearing in Atlanta, filing a "not guilty" plea. I think it may have been discussed on MSNBC, I don't see it in the Google News stories I just pulled up. Trump, other defendants to be arraigned next week in Georgia election interference case. The rest will be arraigned next week on Wednesday. |
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28 Aug 23 - 11:36 PM (#4180195) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump's Chief of Staff Meadows spent several hours testifying today, trying to get his trial moved to federal court. His version of things is now etched in stone - under oath, anything he said can and will be used against him. One of the group has filed to waive the arraignment hearing in Atlanta, filing a "not guilty" plea. I think it may have been discussed on MSNBC, I don't see it in the Google News stories I just pulled up. Trump, other defendants to be arraigned next week in Georgia election interference case. The rest will be arraigned next week on Wednesday. |
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29 Aug 23 - 04:12 AM (#4180207) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome I think I said it further up the thread but can't resist repeating it Is Wednesday going to be arraigning night in Georgia then? |
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29 Aug 23 - 04:12 AM (#4188577) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome I think I said it further up the thread but can't resist repeating it Is Wednesday going to be arraigning night in Georgia then? |
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29 Aug 23 - 09:49 AM (#4180233) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Let's see if that old song slips into the news of the night. :) |
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29 Aug 23 - 09:49 AM (#4188697) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Let's see if that old song slips into the news of the night. :) |
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30 Aug 23 - 06:06 AM (#4180293) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel … Hurricane' for my suitcase Tryin' to find a warm place to spend the night Heavy rain's fallin' Seems I hear the news callin' "get out now" … A rainy night in Georgia A rainy night in Georgia Lord, I believe it's rainin' all over the world I feel like it's rainin' all over the world … Neon signs are blacked out Big waves and storm surge passin' through the night A distant moanin' of the wind Seems to play a sad refrain to the night … But it's a rainy night in Georgia Such a rainy night in Georgia Lord, I believe it's rainin' all over the world I feel like it's rainin' all over the world … How many times I wondered It still comes out the same No matter how you look at it or think of it It's life and you just got to play the game … Find me a place in a box car So I take my guitar to pass some time Late at night when it's hard to rest I hold your picture to my chest and I feel fine, I feel fine … But it's a rainy night in Georgia Baby, it's a rainy night in Georgia Lord, I believe it's rainin' all over the world Kinda lonely now and it's rainin' all over the world |
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30 Aug 23 - 06:06 AM (#4188596) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel … Hurricane' for my suitcase Tryin' to find a warm place to spend the night Heavy rain's fallin' Seems I hear the news callin' "get out now" … A rainy night in Georgia A rainy night in Georgia Lord, I believe it's rainin' all over the world I feel like it's rainin' all over the world … Neon signs are blacked out Big waves and storm surge passin' through the night A distant moanin' of the wind Seems to play a sad refrain to the night … But it's a rainy night in Georgia Such a rainy night in Georgia Lord, I believe it's rainin' all over the world I feel like it's rainin' all over the world … How many times I wondered It still comes out the same No matter how you look at it or think of it It's life and you just got to play the game … Find me a place in a box car So I take my guitar to pass some time Late at night when it's hard to rest I hold your picture to my chest and I feel fine, I feel fine … But it's a rainy night in Georgia Baby, it's a rainy night in Georgia Lord, I believe it's rainin' all over the world Kinda lonely now and it's rainin' all over the world |
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30 Aug 23 - 07:41 AM (#4180298) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Backwoodsman Dare I say it? Yeah, course I dare - 1,000! :-) |
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30 Aug 23 - 07:41 AM (#4188789) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Backwoodsman Dare I say it? Yeah, course I dare - 1,000! :-) |
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30 Aug 23 - 12:15 PM (#4180323) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel This thread needs 11,780 more posts which is one more than we need to beat MOM. Fellas give me a break. Just say you recalculated. |
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30 Aug 23 - 12:15 PM (#4188597) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel This thread needs 11,780 more posts which is one more than we need to beat MOM. Fellas give me a break. Just say you recalculated. |
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30 Aug 23 - 03:01 PM (#4180328) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Old MOAB is way ahead, but you can only see it piecemeal when you do a search on a person and see any of their posts to open individually. Trump seems to have been knocked off of the front page by Idalia. And another blip on the political news radar is that CNN has a new leader after the pro-Trump Chris Licht was fired in June. Licht alienated and fired a lot of people before he was done, but now hopefully CNN can do more real news again. David Zaslav Says Mark Thompson Will Bring “Transformational Leadership” to CNN. Not like Trump ever liked CNN, but a network going from relatively neutral into the Trump Swamp was problematic. FAUX News is bad enough, along with a couple of the lesser stars (New Max, OAN) in the conservative news constellation. |
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30 Aug 23 - 03:01 PM (#4188698) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Old MOAB is way ahead, but you can only see it piecemeal when you do a search on a person and see any of their posts to open individually. Trump seems to have been knocked off of the front page by Idalia. And another blip on the political news radar is that CNN has a new leader after the pro-Trump Chris Licht was fired in June. Licht alienated and fired a lot of people before he was done, but now hopefully CNN can do more real news again. David Zaslav Says Mark Thompson Will Bring “Transformational Leadership” to CNN. Not like Trump ever liked CNN, but a network going from relatively neutral into the Trump Swamp was problematic. FAUX News is bad enough, along with a couple of the lesser stars (New Max, OAN) in the conservative news constellation. |
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30 Aug 23 - 05:53 PM (#4188598) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I just imagined that all the runner up, wanna bes for the nomination are just the Son of Godzilla. Then Trump starts considering Trump Jr. for Vice President. The double Trump ticket is a hit. Oh well, The Bushs did a slower version. Guilliani is liable for defaming Georgia election workers. |
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30 Aug 23 - 05:53 PM (#4180339) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I just imagined that all the runner up, wanna bes for the nomination are just the Son of Godzilla. Then Trump starts considering Trump Jr. for Vice President. The double Trump ticket is a hit. Oh well, The Bushs did a slower version. Guilliani is liable for defaming Georgia election workers. |
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31 Aug 23 - 03:25 AM (#4180364) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Relating this topic to music. Ten times musicians told politicians to quit playing their music The article lists ten instances where politicians have used music without permission and then there is this at the end: "Former US president Donald Trump is a serial offender when it comes to using artists' music without their permission. "In fact, the list of musicians who've condemned him for doing so is now so long it has its own Wikipedia page, with the tracks in question serving as a pretty impressive playlist in their own right. "Trump's refusal to even attempt to find artists whose opinions align with his own means his rally attendees have so far rocked out to a long list of liberal icons, including Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, the White Stripes and — inexplicably — the Village People. 'R.E.M. singer Michael Stipe perhaps put it most succinctly in 2015, when he criticised the Trump campaign for playing the band's music. " 'Go f*** yourselves, the lot of you — you sad, attention-grabbing, power-hungry little men. Do not use our music or my voice for your moronic charade of a campaign,' Stipe said. ' |
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31 Aug 23 - 03:25 AM (#4188537) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Relating this topic to music. Ten times musicians told politicians to quit playing their music The article lists ten instances where politicians have used music without permission and then there is this at the end: "Former US president Donald Trump is a serial offender when it comes to using artists' music without their permission. "In fact, the list of musicians who've condemned him for doing so is now so long it has its own Wikipedia page, with the tracks in question serving as a pretty impressive playlist in their own right. "Trump's refusal to even attempt to find artists whose opinions align with his own means his rally attendees have so far rocked out to a long list of liberal icons, including Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, the White Stripes and — inexplicably — the Village People. 'R.E.M. singer Michael Stipe perhaps put it most succinctly in 2015, when he criticised the Trump campaign for playing the band's music. " 'Go f*** yourselves, the lot of you — you sad, attention-grabbing, power-hungry little men. Do not use our music or my voice for your moronic charade of a campaign,' Stipe said. ' |
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31 Aug 23 - 05:27 AM (#4180367) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Stealing music is one thing but stealing books and libraries is what the right thinks is a war on woke. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/13/us/texas-houston-schools-libraries-takeover.html |
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31 Aug 23 - 05:27 AM (#4188599) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Stealing music is one thing but stealing books and libraries is what the right thinks is a war on woke. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/13/us/texas-houston-schools-libraries-takeover.html |
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31 Aug 23 - 05:33 AM (#4180369) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen As an ex-librarian, I think that is totally wrong. I never read Ray Bradbury's book Fahrenheit 451, probably because the thought of burning books for ideological purposes upset me too much. |
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31 Aug 23 - 05:33 AM (#4188538) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen As an ex-librarian, I think that is totally wrong. I never read Ray Bradbury's book Fahrenheit 451, probably because the thought of burning books for ideological purposes upset me too much. |
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31 Aug 23 - 09:37 AM (#4188602) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel He was a bitter man raved as fast as he can and owned guns just for fun In his nights and days His heart did fade As his mind grew more unkind. I wish that enlightenment shine, on the dumb and depraved I wish that enlightenment shine, on the dumb and depraved before they do the damn crime I wish that enlightenment shine, on the dumb and depraved I wish that enlightenment shine, on the dumb and depraved before they do the damn crime He watched FOX news and began to snooze and dreamed of sweet revenge Now he's lost beyond all cost he pulled an epic fail so now he's in jail I wish that enlightenment shine on the dumb and depraved I wish that enlightenment shine, on the dumb and depraved before they do the damn crime |
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31 Aug 23 - 09:37 AM (#4180381) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel He was a bitter man raved as fast as he can and owned guns just for fun In his nights and days His heart did fade As his mind grew more unkind. I wish that enlightenment shine, on the dumb and depraved I wish that enlightenment shine, on the dumb and depraved before they do the damn crime I wish that enlightenment shine, on the dumb and depraved I wish that enlightenment shine, on the dumb and depraved before they do the damn crime He watched FOX news and began to snooze and dreamed of sweet revenge Now he's lost beyond all cost he pulled an epic fail so now he's in jail I wish that enlightenment shine on the dumb and depraved I wish that enlightenment shine, on the dumb and depraved before they do the damn crime |
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31 Aug 23 - 10:30 AM (#4180385) Subject: RE: IF TRUMP WINS AGAIN... From: Donuel If Trump does win again his lifelong dream of making his Golf courses a tax-free religion may come to pass. Sunday is their best day. Worshippers already pray before each shot. The rules of Golf will become commandments. Saudi Arabia LIV Golf will be the ultimate benefactor. Instead of wine and wafers, there will be club sandwiches and Arnold Palmer cocktails. Instead of making the courses restricted, it will simply be a Jew-free zone. Blacks will be allowed to Caddy and be servants. There will also be a few changes in the Justice Dept. and Constitution. |
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31 Aug 23 - 10:30 AM (#4188603) Subject: RE: IF TRUMP WINS AGAIN... From: Donuel If Trump does win again his lifelong dream of making his Golf courses a tax-free religion may come to pass. Sunday is their best day. Worshippers already pray before each shot. The rules of Golf will become commandments. Saudi Arabia LIV Golf will be the ultimate benefactor. Instead of wine and wafers, there will be club sandwiches and Arnold Palmer cocktails. Instead of making the courses restricted, it will simply be a Jew-free zone. Blacks will be allowed to Caddy and be servants. There will also be a few changes in the Justice Dept. and Constitution. |
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31 Aug 23 - 11:44 AM (#4188578) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome The best result would be that he runs for president and loses by an absolute landslide but I can't see that happening. |
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31 Aug 23 - 11:44 AM (#4180390) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome The best result would be that he runs for president and loses by an absolute landslide but I can't see that happening. |
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01 Sep 23 - 12:39 AM (#4180423) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Two Proud Boys leaders sentenced to prison for their role in January 6 US Capitol riots * Joseph Biggs and Zachary Rehl are the first Proud Boys to be sent to prison * Both apologised for their actions, with Biggs claiming "I'm not a terrorist" * The judge handed a far lower sentence than prosecutors sought ... "Two other Proud Boys — Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola — will face sentencing before Justice Kelly on Friday, while the group's former chairman Enrique Tarrio will be sentenced on September 5. "Prosecutors are seeking a 33-year prison term for Tarrio and a 27-year term for Nordean, both of whom were also convicted of seditious conspiracy. "They are requesting a 20-year term for Pezzola, who was acquitted of seditious conspiracy, but convicted of other serious felonies." |
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01 Sep 23 - 12:39 AM (#4188539) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Two Proud Boys leaders sentenced to prison for their role in January 6 US Capitol riots * Joseph Biggs and Zachary Rehl are the first Proud Boys to be sent to prison * Both apologised for their actions, with Biggs claiming "I'm not a terrorist" * The judge handed a far lower sentence than prosecutors sought ... "Two other Proud Boys — Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola — will face sentencing before Justice Kelly on Friday, while the group's former chairman Enrique Tarrio will be sentenced on September 5. "Prosecutors are seeking a 33-year prison term for Tarrio and a 27-year term for Nordean, both of whom were also convicted of seditious conspiracy. "They are requesting a 20-year term for Pezzola, who was acquitted of seditious conspiracy, but convicted of other serious felonies." |
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01 Sep 23 - 06:56 AM (#4180431) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Even sycophant Mike Pense was not loyal enough to Trump. Who would be? Thats easy. Donald Trump Jr. At 45 he is old enough. This notion started as a cartoon idea but... A Trump double ticket would ensure Trump's power no matter what happens in Court like pardons etc. Would Republicans go for it? a 2021 article 'a double Trump' sounds more like a bowel movement than a Presidential ticket but Republicans have done stranger things. |
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01 Sep 23 - 06:56 AM (#4188606) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Even sycophant Mike Pense was not loyal enough to Trump. Who would be? Thats easy. Donald Trump Jr. At 45 he is old enough. This notion started as a cartoon idea but... A Trump double ticket would ensure Trump's power no matter what happens in Court like pardons etc. Would Republicans go for it? a 2021 article 'a double Trump' sounds more like a bowel movement than a Presidential ticket but Republicans have done stranger things. |
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01 Sep 23 - 10:52 AM (#4188699) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. . . Jamie Raskin Turns the Tables on James Comer and That’s Bad News for Jared Kushner From the end of that article: Raskin later added during an interview on MSNBC that he is seeking all documents and information related to Jared Kushner’s business dealings with Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern nations. Raskin pointed out that if the Committee can investigate Hunter Biden, who never worked in government, they can also investigate Jared Kushner who worked in the Trump administration and then got billions of dollars from foreign governments. |
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01 Sep 23 - 10:52 AM (#4180443) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. . . Jamie Raskin Turns the Tables on James Comer and That’s Bad News for Jared Kushner From the end of that article: Raskin later added during an interview on MSNBC that he is seeking all documents and information related to Jared Kushner’s business dealings with Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern nations. Raskin pointed out that if the Committee can investigate Hunter Biden, who never worked in government, they can also investigate Jared Kushner who worked in the Trump administration and then got billions of dollars from foreign governments. |
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01 Sep 23 - 06:27 PM (#4180459) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump's standing armies of thugs are losing their leadership, as several more are found guilty and sentenced to between 10 and 20 years in prison for the January 6 events. Like drug cartels there are probably lower-level thugs moving into the top positions. In a news story this week I heard them discuss how some of these groups have regular meetings and dues. The Southern Poverty Law Center gives a thorough history of the group. |
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01 Sep 23 - 06:27 PM (#4188700) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump's standing armies of thugs are losing their leadership, as several more are found guilty and sentenced to between 10 and 20 years in prison for the January 6 events. Like drug cartels there are probably lower-level thugs moving into the top positions. In a news story this week I heard them discuss how some of these groups have regular meetings and dues. The Southern Poverty Law Center gives a thorough history of the group. |
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01 Sep 23 - 06:54 PM (#4188607) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel When Proud Boy Leaders are sentenced to 15 and 17 years they have been seen to break down crying. |
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01 Sep 23 - 06:54 PM (#4180463) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel When Proud Boy Leaders are sentenced to 15 and 17 years they have been seen to break down crying. |
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04 Sep 23 - 05:43 AM (#4180589) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome On Wiki it says Robert F Kennedy Jr and Marianne Williamson. Are either likely to become president? |
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04 Sep 23 - 05:43 AM (#4188579) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome On Wiki it says Robert F Kennedy Jr and Marianne Williamson. Are either likely to become president? |
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04 Sep 23 - 11:18 AM (#4180599) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage That's a really bad joke. The Kennedy in question drank the konspiracy koolaid years ago and Williamson is a bonafide flake. Roll them together and sprinkle with cash and you have Trump, and the Democratic party is not one to go with either of them. Ever. |
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04 Sep 23 - 11:18 AM (#4188701) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage That's a really bad joke. The Kennedy in question drank the konspiracy koolaid years ago and Williamson is a bonafide flake. Roll them together and sprinkle with cash and you have Trump, and the Democratic party is not one to go with either of them. Ever. |
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04 Sep 23 - 01:58 PM (#4180615) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome I didn't know anything about either so thanks for the heads up |
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04 Sep 23 - 01:58 PM (#4188580) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome I didn't know anything about either so thanks for the heads up |
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05 Sep 23 - 11:45 AM (#4188540) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Trump has been surprisingly quiet. Not a natural state for him, so I expect the urge to make his usual outbursts will outdo the legal demands placed on him for silence and self preservation. Silence, for him, would be anathema. |
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05 Sep 23 - 11:45 AM (#4180681) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Trump has been surprisingly quiet. Not a natural state for him, so I expect the urge to make his usual outbursts will outdo the legal demands placed on him for silence and self preservation. Silence, for him, would be anathema. |
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05 Sep 23 - 03:25 PM (#4180708) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Someone probably got past all the "advisors" to be heard - telling him that the most likely result of his continuing to talk are hefty fines that he can't avoid or appeal. Hundreds of thousands that would hit him where it hurts most, in the ego. |
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05 Sep 23 - 03:25 PM (#4188703) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Someone probably got past all the "advisors" to be heard - telling him that the most likely result of his continuing to talk are hefty fines that he can't avoid or appeal. Hundreds of thousands that would hit him where it hurts most, in the ego. |
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05 Sep 23 - 03:44 PM (#4180712) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Ah yes, the hip-pocket nerve! I'm thinking that the restrictions placed on him communicating in the time before and during all of the trials is probably the most effective way to take him out of the running for the election. He's in a damned-if-you-do talk, and damned-if-you-don't situation because he can't sway voters with his BS. So the trials themselves could go either way, but the time leading up to and during the trials could be the crucial turning point. Possibly a glimmer of hope there??!! |
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05 Sep 23 - 03:44 PM (#4188541) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Ah yes, the hip-pocket nerve! I'm thinking that the restrictions placed on him communicating in the time before and during all of the trials is probably the most effective way to take him out of the running for the election. He's in a damned-if-you-do talk, and damned-if-you-don't situation because he can't sway voters with his BS. So the trials themselves could go either way, but the time leading up to and during the trials could be the crucial turning point. Possibly a glimmer of hope there??!! |
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05 Sep 23 - 06:41 PM (#4180721) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The First Amendment lets him speak about everything else, and his range of material is bizarrely huge and off-topic for any other politician out there. He collects what he considers injustices and must rant against them - this is where the threat of being fined keeps him in check. We hope. So far it has done nothing to remove him from the race (though the debate about the seditious acts and whether a court prosecution is required to remove him from running is ongoing). |
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05 Sep 23 - 06:41 PM (#4188704) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The First Amendment lets him speak about everything else, and his range of material is bizarrely huge and off-topic for any other politician out there. He collects what he considers injustices and must rant against them - this is where the threat of being fined keeps him in check. We hope. So far it has done nothing to remove him from the race (though the debate about the seditious acts and whether a court prosecution is required to remove him from running is ongoing). |
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05 Sep 23 - 08:15 PM (#4180724) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio sentenced for seditious conspiracy role in January 6 riots "The former chairman of the far-right Proud Boys group has been sentenced to 22 years' prison for his role in the events of January 6 Capitol riot. ... "Tarrio addressed the court ahead of sentencing, describing what happened on January 6 as "national embarrassment". "He apologised to members of Congress, the police officers who defended the Capitol and the citizens of Washington DC. "The defendant's voice cracked as he pleaded with the judge to show him mercy and broke down when talking of his family, saying he had failed them. "'I am not a political zealot. Inflicting harm or changing the results of the election was not my goal,' Tarrio said." |
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05 Sep 23 - 08:15 PM (#4188542) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio sentenced for seditious conspiracy role in January 6 riots "The former chairman of the far-right Proud Boys group has been sentenced to 22 years' prison for his role in the events of January 6 Capitol riot. ... "Tarrio addressed the court ahead of sentencing, describing what happened on January 6 as "national embarrassment". "He apologised to members of Congress, the police officers who defended the Capitol and the citizens of Washington DC. "The defendant's voice cracked as he pleaded with the judge to show him mercy and broke down when talking of his family, saying he had failed them. "'I am not a political zealot. Inflicting harm or changing the results of the election was not my goal,' Tarrio said." |
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06 Sep 23 - 09:24 PM (#4188543) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Former US president Donald Trump faces new developments in Georgia election subversion case, defamation lawsuit "Former US president Donald Trump's legal predicaments seem to be gaining momentum ahead of his 2024 electoral run. "Amid a slew of new developments, Mr Trump has announced during a radio interview he is willing to testify in his classified documents case. "The case, which alleges Mr Trump mishandled classified documents at his Mar-A-Lago resort after he left office, is scheduled to begin in May. "'I look forward to testifying,' Mr Trump told the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt. "He has pleaded not guilty to all charges and accused prosecutors of targeting him for political purposes. "While the claim sounds promising, Mr Trump has a history of showing a willingness to testify in investigations, only to back-pedal later." It's a long article but in the light of the last statement I quoted from it, we'll just have to wait and see whether he does actually testify. |
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06 Sep 23 - 09:24 PM (#4180827) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Former US president Donald Trump faces new developments in Georgia election subversion case, defamation lawsuit "Former US president Donald Trump's legal predicaments seem to be gaining momentum ahead of his 2024 electoral run. "Amid a slew of new developments, Mr Trump has announced during a radio interview he is willing to testify in his classified documents case. "The case, which alleges Mr Trump mishandled classified documents at his Mar-A-Lago resort after he left office, is scheduled to begin in May. "'I look forward to testifying,' Mr Trump told the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt. "He has pleaded not guilty to all charges and accused prosecutors of targeting him for political purposes. "While the claim sounds promising, Mr Trump has a history of showing a willingness to testify in investigations, only to back-pedal later." It's a long article but in the light of the last statement I quoted from it, we'll just have to wait and see whether he does actually testify. |
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06 Sep 23 - 09:47 PM (#4180829) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Chesebro doesn't want to get any of Powell's cooties, but the judge isn't letting them sever the connections - they will be tried at the same time. Georgia Judge Says Two Defendants in Trump Case Will Get Early Trial Together Sidney Powell followed Kenneth Chesebro in demanding a speedy trial, but neither defendant in the election interference case wanted to be tried with the other. |
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06 Sep 23 - 09:47 PM (#4188705) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Chesebro doesn't want to get any of Powell's cooties, but the judge isn't letting them sever the connections - they will be tried at the same time. Georgia Judge Says Two Defendants in Trump Case Will Get Early Trial Together Sidney Powell followed Kenneth Chesebro in demanding a speedy trial, but neither defendant in the election interference case wanted to be tried with the other. |
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06 Sep 23 - 11:06 PM (#4180832) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Just mention Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and I am transported back in time to watching them both at that outdoor press conference at the landscaping business. He's sweating hair dye and she is spouting the most unbelievable, whackadoodle guff I have ever heard in my life. Hollywood, here they come! |
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06 Sep 23 - 11:06 PM (#4188544) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Just mention Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and I am transported back in time to watching them both at that outdoor press conference at the landscaping business. He's sweating hair dye and she is spouting the most unbelievable, whackadoodle guff I have ever heard in my life. Hollywood, here they come! |
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07 Sep 23 - 12:48 AM (#4180837) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Six Colorado voters sue to remove Trump from the state's 2024 ballot Their lawsuit contends that Trump should be disqualified from running in future elections because he violated Section 3 of the 14th Amendment with his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection. Pretty much says it all. NBC doesn't have a firewall so people should be able to read this, but here is the gist of it: Their suit, which was filed in the U.S. District Court in Denver, contends that Trump should be disqualified from running in future elections under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which states that no person shall hold any office if they "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" after having taken an oath to support the Constitution. |
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07 Sep 23 - 12:48 AM (#4188706) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Six Colorado voters sue to remove Trump from the state's 2024 ballot Their lawsuit contends that Trump should be disqualified from running in future elections because he violated Section 3 of the 14th Amendment with his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection. Pretty much says it all. NBC doesn't have a firewall so people should be able to read this, but here is the gist of it: Their suit, which was filed in the U.S. District Court in Denver, contends that Trump should be disqualified from running in future elections under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which states that no person shall hold any office if they "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" after having taken an oath to support the Constitution. |
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07 Sep 23 - 02:13 AM (#4180839) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Wouldn't the six voters have to wait until the outcome of the trial before they could do that? Or are they just anticipating that he will be found guilty and commencing action now? Ok, from that article I can see that they are basing their action on this: "The group included findings on Trump's efforts to overturn the election results that were revealed by the House Jan. 6 committee, which dissolved in January after having concluded a lengthy investigation into the riot, as well as from special counsel Jack Smith's investigation that led to one of the four criminal indictments against the former president." I guess there is time pressure to start their action now, given the impending election processes. |
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07 Sep 23 - 02:13 AM (#4188545) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Wouldn't the six voters have to wait until the outcome of the trial before they could do that? Or are they just anticipating that he will be found guilty and commencing action now? Ok, from that article I can see that they are basing their action on this: "The group included findings on Trump's efforts to overturn the election results that were revealed by the House Jan. 6 committee, which dissolved in January after having concluded a lengthy investigation into the riot, as well as from special counsel Jack Smith's investigation that led to one of the four criminal indictments against the former president." I guess there is time pressure to start their action now, given the impending election processes. |
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07 Sep 23 - 07:13 AM (#4188615) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the people to his version of populism. It is not merely fascism or his big lie. IT IS WHAT PEOPLE LEARNED AS CHILDREN. For years people learned how to suppress their early teachings that were offensive in society but carried those feelings deep inside. Once legitimized those early lessons surface. All it took was a bigot like Trump with the veneer of financial success and shared hatreds from an early age. Donald's dad was sympathetic to the KKK and Donald absorbed all those teachings early. Childish beliefs lead to childish behavior. It is not that hard to understand Trumpism and its fallacies from this POV. Perhaps this has been said before but we should bear in mind we are dealing with children with real guns. |
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07 Sep 23 - 07:13 AM (#4180858) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the people to his version of populism. It is not merely fascism or his big lie. IT IS WHAT PEOPLE LEARNED AS CHILDREN. For years people learned how to suppress their early teachings that were offensive in society but carried those feelings deep inside. Once legitimized those early lessons surface. All it took was a bigot like Trump with the veneer of financial success and shared hatreds from an early age. Donald's dad was sympathetic to the KKK and Donald absorbed all those teachings early. Childish beliefs lead to childish behavior. It is not that hard to understand Trumpism and its fallacies from this POV. Perhaps this has been said before but we should bear in mind we are dealing with children with real guns. |
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07 Sep 23 - 08:21 AM (#4180864) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Raggytash "Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the people to his version of populism." No he did not. Only 61.4% of people who could vote did so. Trump received 45.9% of those people, in reality receiving the vote of about 30% of the whole voting population. |
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07 Sep 23 - 08:21 AM (#4188589) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Raggytash "Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the people to his version of populism." No he did not. Only 61.4% of people who could vote did so. Trump received 45.9% of those people, in reality receiving the vote of about 30% of the whole voting population. |
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07 Sep 23 - 02:37 PM (#4180892) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Spoken like a professional statistician. |
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07 Sep 23 - 02:37 PM (#4188616) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Spoken like a professional statistician. |
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07 Sep 23 - 03:30 PM (#4188546) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Perhaps Donuel meant to say, "Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the REPUBLICAN people to his version of populism." Statistically it is still not correct but Donuel, generally I view your broad brush comments as thought provoking. And don't forget that the TV persona of Trump has a very high influence. The disconnect between what is loosely referred to as "reality TV" and reality itself is difficult for some viewers to see. A TV star or Hollywood star projects an aura of being in control of dramatic situations and some voters project that carefully crafted and directed vision onto political reality. |
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07 Sep 23 - 03:30 PM (#4180896) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Perhaps Donuel meant to say, "Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the REPUBLICAN people to his version of populism." Statistically it is still not correct but Donuel, generally I view your broad brush comments as thought provoking. And don't forget that the TV persona of Trump has a very high influence. The disconnect between what is loosely referred to as "reality TV" and reality itself is difficult for some viewers to see. A TV star or Hollywood star projects an aura of being in control of dramatic situations and some voters project that carefully crafted and directed vision onto political reality. |
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07 Sep 23 - 03:39 PM (#4180897) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter And if 30% of all eligible voters in the right states vote for Trump, and 29% vote for Biden, Trump wins. |
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07 Sep 23 - 03:39 PM (#4188765) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter And if 30% of all eligible voters in the right states vote for Trump, and 29% vote for Biden, Trump wins. |
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07 Sep 23 - 07:03 PM (#4188618) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Democrat Cornel West has announced his Green Party candidacy for President. He is for truth and justice for the middle class and poor. While no third-party candidate has received an electoral vote, he can introduce new ideas. If he had not run I would have hoped Michael Dyson would have. |
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07 Sep 23 - 07:03 PM (#4180923) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Democrat Cornel West has announced his Green Party candidacy for President. He is for truth and justice for the middle class and poor. While no third-party candidate has received an electoral vote, he can introduce new ideas. If he had not run I would have hoped Michael Dyson would have. |
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08 Sep 23 - 02:37 AM (#4180936) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome Another Trump aide convicted |
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08 Sep 23 - 02:37 AM (#4188583) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome Another Trump aide convicted |
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08 Sep 23 - 07:51 AM (#4180951) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump loyalist Navarro did not even put on a defense or call a single witness. It took the jury 2 hours to convict. His fate is a lesson to others to show up when subpoenaed, |
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08 Sep 23 - 07:51 AM (#4188619) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump loyalist Navarro did not even put on a defense or call a single witness. It took the jury 2 hours to convict. His fate is a lesson to others to show up when subpoenaed, |
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08 Sep 23 - 09:35 AM (#4188707) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Now they need to go after Jim Jordan who did the EXACT SAME THING as Peter Navarro. |
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08 Sep 23 - 09:35 AM (#4180960) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Now they need to go after Jim Jordan who did the EXACT SAME THING as Peter Navarro. |
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08 Sep 23 - 04:33 PM (#4181007) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Donald Trump hosts $US100,000 a head fundraiser to help Rudy Giuliani pay legal bills * "Mr Giuliani is facing a barrage of legal fees, fines, sanctions and damages related to helping Mr Trump with his cases * "He faces a total of 13 charges, including the violation of Georgia's anti-racketeering law * "His son Andrew told local radio the event was expected to make $US1 million" See, he does care about the people around him. Or is he just helping his own cause as usual? |
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08 Sep 23 - 04:33 PM (#4188549) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Donald Trump hosts $US100,000 a head fundraiser to help Rudy Giuliani pay legal bills * "Mr Giuliani is facing a barrage of legal fees, fines, sanctions and damages related to helping Mr Trump with his cases * "He faces a total of 13 charges, including the violation of Georgia's anti-racketeering law * "His son Andrew told local radio the event was expected to make $US1 million" See, he does care about the people around him. Or is he just helping his own cause as usual? |
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14 Sep 23 - 12:52 PM (#4181609) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Fulton County judge rules DA can't try all 19 defendants together in Trump RICO case Fulton County Judge Scott McAfee ruled Thursday in favor of severing the trials for 17 of the defendants, including former President Donald Trump, from that of two of the defendants in the election interference case. And on another front, the federal judge in the documents case restricted Trump's access to the documents in question. He isn't allowed to take them back to Mar a lago to peruse them at his leisure. But it took her an entire month to come up with a ruling that would normally have been rendered in a single day. She's slow-walking this for Trump. A lot of recent content and the attendant bickering was removed. Stick to talking about the cases. |
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14 Sep 23 - 12:52 PM (#4188714) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Fulton County judge rules DA can't try all 19 defendants together in Trump RICO case Fulton County Judge Scott McAfee ruled Thursday in favor of severing the trials for 17 of the defendants, including former President Donald Trump, from that of two of the defendants in the election interference case. And on another front, the federal judge in the documents case restricted Trump's access to the documents in question. He isn't allowed to take them back to Mar a lago to peruse them at his leisure. But it took her an entire month to come up with a ruling that would normally have been rendered in a single day. She's slow-walking this for Trump. A lot of recent content and the attendant bickering was removed. Stick to talking about the cases. |
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15 Sep 23 - 02:02 PM (#4188715) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Delay, delay, delay - that is the game plan for the Trump defenders on all fronts. A hearing on Sept. 14 resulted in a possible delay because Trump is suing the judge in the New York civil fraud case that is scheduled to start in early October this year. Trump New York fraud case could be delayed after ex-president sues judge Trump has repeatedly sought to delay or throw out the case, and has repeatedly been rejected. But this time, the Daily Beast said, an appeals judge, David Friedman, “grant[ed] the former president’s request in a surprise hearing on Thursday that was closed off to the public”. |
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15 Sep 23 - 02:02 PM (#4181713) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Delay, delay, delay - that is the game plan for the Trump defenders on all fronts. A hearing on Sept. 14 resulted in a possible delay because Trump is suing the judge in the New York civil fraud case that is scheduled to start in early October this year. Trump New York fraud case could be delayed after ex-president sues judge Trump has repeatedly sought to delay or throw out the case, and has repeatedly been rejected. But this time, the Daily Beast said, an appeals judge, David Friedman, “grant[ed] the former president’s request in a surprise hearing on Thursday that was closed off to the public”. |
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15 Sep 23 - 05:49 PM (#4181724) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Jack Smith has requested that the Judge limit Trump's speech. Perhaps next month she will have a hearing to ask/tell Donald to not intimidate, threaten, and defame people involved in his case. The words gag order might be tossed around but a true gag order involves a real gag. |
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15 Sep 23 - 05:49 PM (#4188632) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Jack Smith has requested that the Judge limit Trump's speech. Perhaps next month she will have a hearing to ask/tell Donald to not intimidate, threaten, and defame people involved in his case. The words gag order might be tossed around but a true gag order involves a real gag. |
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15 Sep 23 - 06:28 PM (#4188716) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Special counsel asks for 'narrow' gag order for Trump in election interference case Jack Smith's office says Trump's "disparaging and inflammatory attacks" have spurred threats against witnesses and threaten the court process. "Like his previous public disinformation campaign regarding the 2020 presidential election, the defendant’s recent extrajudicial statements are intended to undermine public confidence in an institution—the judicial system—and to undermine confidence in and intimidate individuals—the Court, the jury pool, witnesses, and prosecutors," they wrote. |
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15 Sep 23 - 06:28 PM (#4181728) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Special counsel asks for 'narrow' gag order for Trump in election interference case Jack Smith's office says Trump's "disparaging and inflammatory attacks" have spurred threats against witnesses and threaten the court process. "Like his previous public disinformation campaign regarding the 2020 presidential election, the defendant’s recent extrajudicial statements are intended to undermine public confidence in an institution—the judicial system—and to undermine confidence in and intimidate individuals—the Court, the jury pool, witnesses, and prosecutors," they wrote. |
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16 Sep 23 - 02:02 PM (#4181795) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Ya gotta hand it to Trump, he sure is ambitious. Not only does he have all Seven Deadly Sins, but he also has a few unique ones of his own creation. |
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16 Sep 23 - 02:02 PM (#4188633) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Ya gotta hand it to Trump, he sure is ambitious. Not only does he have all Seven Deadly Sins, but he also has a few unique ones of his own creation. |
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16 Sep 23 - 07:28 PM (#4181813) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen I have seen two news commentaries about the difficult situation in which Kevin McCarthy has found himself regarding the announced impeachment against President Biden. One was on Deutsche Welle news on Oz TV, and one was on an Oz show called Planet America. Both commentaries imply that McCarthy is caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't announce the impeachment. One of the comments on Planet America was that because the impeachment was not put to a vote, it may not be valid, but that McCarthy may not have been confident of sufficient numbers to pass the motion. |
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16 Sep 23 - 07:28 PM (#4188553) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen I have seen two news commentaries about the difficult situation in which Kevin McCarthy has found himself regarding the announced impeachment against President Biden. One was on Deutsche Welle news on Oz TV, and one was on an Oz show called Planet America. Both commentaries imply that McCarthy is caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't announce the impeachment. One of the comments on Planet America was that because the impeachment was not put to a vote, it may not be valid, but that McCarthy may not have been confident of sufficient numbers to pass the motion. |
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16 Sep 23 - 09:19 PM (#4181815) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage It isn't an impeachment, it is an impeachment inquiry. The research that happens first to see if there is a case for impeachment - big difference. There are some far right wingnuts who make a lot of threats but don't follow through as far as the Speaker of the House position. I'm hoping the Washington, D.C. case is pushed sooner on the calendar to keep Trump from having more time to intimidate everyone he hates. It is an option open to Judge Chutkan that would limit the damage, but she also needs to muzzle him somehow. I think the threat of jail would overburden the Secret Service, but he has it coming. |
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16 Sep 23 - 09:19 PM (#4188717) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage It isn't an impeachment, it is an impeachment inquiry. The research that happens first to see if there is a case for impeachment - big difference. There are some far right wingnuts who make a lot of threats but don't follow through as far as the Speaker of the House position. I'm hoping the Washington, D.C. case is pushed sooner on the calendar to keep Trump from having more time to intimidate everyone he hates. It is an option open to Judge Chutkan that would limit the damage, but she also needs to muzzle him somehow. I think the threat of jail would overburden the Secret Service, but he has it coming. |
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16 Sep 23 - 10:01 PM (#4188841) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > It isn't an impeachment, it is an impeachment inquiry. Thanks for noting the distinction, SRS: that had escaped our notice here. But it does mean the I word gets put in a headline, so the offender's fanbase salivates on queue. |
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16 Sep 23 - 10:01 PM (#4181817) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > It isn't an impeachment, it is an impeachment inquiry. Thanks for noting the distinction, SRS: that had escaped our notice here. But it does mean the I word gets put in a headline, so the offender's fanbase salivates on queue. |
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16 Sep 23 - 11:12 PM (#4181820) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Yes, thanks for clarifying that SRS. It's a bit confusing for an Aussie. |
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16 Sep 23 - 11:12 PM (#4188554) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Yes, thanks for clarifying that SRS. It's a bit confusing for an Aussie. |
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17 Sep 23 - 01:19 PM (#4181847) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel By the Constitution, the House of Representatives has “the sole power of impeachment,” and the Senate “the sole power to try all impeachments.” When the President of the United States is tried on impeachment, the Chief Justice is to preside. The concurrence of two thirds of the Senate members present is necessary to convict. “The President, Vice-President, and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” But judgment cannot “extend further than to removal and disqualification to hold and enjoy and office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.” Thus it is obvious that the founders of the government meant to secure it effectually against all official corruption and wrong, by providing for process to be initiated at the will of the popular branch, and furnishing an easy, safe, and sure method for the removal of all unworthy and unfaithful servants. The fly in the ointment is that an inquiry has always led to a 'partial' impeachment except for Nixon who resigned first. Also there is disagreement on what constitutes treason, high crimes and misdemeanors. It is entirely up to the House to say what crime is committed AND that an inquiry is not required for impeachment. Technically the House could lie about the crime and evidence for an impeachment vote. The Senate however would then acquit. https://time.com/6313452/impeachment-experts-biden-inquiry-weakest-us-history/ Impeachment is not as clear-cut as we think even if we like things to be neat and orderly. The House could say "Evidence, we don't need no stinking evidence. We just KNOW". I bring these possibilities up because we are living in strange times. |
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17 Sep 23 - 01:19 PM (#4188634) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel By the Constitution, the House of Representatives has “the sole power of impeachment,” and the Senate “the sole power to try all impeachments.” When the President of the United States is tried on impeachment, the Chief Justice is to preside. The concurrence of two thirds of the Senate members present is necessary to convict. “The President, Vice-President, and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” But judgment cannot “extend further than to removal and disqualification to hold and enjoy and office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.” Thus it is obvious that the founders of the government meant to secure it effectually against all official corruption and wrong, by providing for process to be initiated at the will of the popular branch, and furnishing an easy, safe, and sure method for the removal of all unworthy and unfaithful servants. The fly in the ointment is that an inquiry has always led to a 'partial' impeachment except for Nixon who resigned first. Also there is disagreement on what constitutes treason, high crimes and misdemeanors. It is entirely up to the House to say what crime is committed AND that an inquiry is not required for impeachment. Technically the House could lie about the crime and evidence for an impeachment vote. The Senate however would then acquit. https://time.com/6313452/impeachment-experts-biden-inquiry-weakest-us-history/ Impeachment is not as clear-cut as we think even if we like things to be neat and orderly. The House could say "Evidence, we don't need no stinking evidence. We just KNOW". I bring these possibilities up because we are living in strange times. |
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17 Sep 23 - 01:29 PM (#4188635) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel "It is entirely up to the House to say what crime is committed AND that an inquiry is not required for impeachment." To be precise... It is the House Committee in charge of impeachment that decides, not the entire House. |
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17 Sep 23 - 01:29 PM (#4181848) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel "It is entirely up to the House to say what crime is committed AND that an inquiry is not required for impeachment." To be precise... It is the House Committee in charge of impeachment that decides, not the entire House. |
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17 Sep 23 - 07:00 PM (#4181851) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Speaker McCarthy is making Trump happy. Behind McCarthy's sad eyes, I don't think he is very committed to the Kabuki impeachment. |
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17 Sep 23 - 07:00 PM (#4188636) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Speaker McCarthy is making Trump happy. Behind McCarthy's sad eyes, I don't think he is very committed to the Kabuki impeachment. |
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18 Sep 23 - 08:55 AM (#4188637) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump said, "if you take a look at Obama and look at some of the things he's done its the same thing and the country's very divided and we did it with Obama and we won an election that everyone said it couldn't be won..." I think he is confusing Obama with Hillary Biden? Maybe he thinks he did beat Obama. |
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18 Sep 23 - 08:55 AM (#4181893) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump said, "if you take a look at Obama and look at some of the things he's done its the same thing and the country's very divided and we did it with Obama and we won an election that everyone said it couldn't be won..." I think he is confusing Obama with Hillary Biden? Maybe he thinks he did beat Obama. |
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18 Sep 23 - 11:57 AM (#4181899) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > Maybe he thinks he did beat Obama. Given that [according to legend] he stood the first time because Obama teased him in public .... .... then again, that statement may just be a side-effect of them-and-us-itis. |
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18 Sep 23 - 11:57 AM (#4188842) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk > Maybe he thinks he did beat Obama. Given that [according to legend] he stood the first time because Obama teased him in public .... .... then again, that statement may just be a side-effect of them-and-us-itis. |
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18 Sep 23 - 12:25 PM (#4188718) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The US House of Representatives lost a member last week when Christ Stewart of Utah resigned due to his wife's health (a stroke). Stewart’s departure sets off a race to replace him on the Appropriations Committee, right as lawmakers feud over stopgap plans to fund the government before the month is out. His replacement won't be there until after the November special election, so the House has only a four member GOP margin. Trump will no doubt be dabbling in that kind of race, still trying to line up ducks to support him. As Rachel Maddow says, "#WatchThisSpace |
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18 Sep 23 - 12:25 PM (#4181901) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The US House of Representatives lost a member last week when Christ Stewart of Utah resigned due to his wife's health (a stroke). Stewart’s departure sets off a race to replace him on the Appropriations Committee, right as lawmakers feud over stopgap plans to fund the government before the month is out. His replacement won't be there until after the November special election, so the House has only a four member GOP margin. Trump will no doubt be dabbling in that kind of race, still trying to line up ducks to support him. As Rachel Maddow says, "#WatchThisSpace |
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18 Sep 23 - 01:12 PM (#4181904) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Regarding Trump's recent confusion, I'm wondering whether the strain of having to think before he speaks due to legal constraints is starting to make his brain boil over. All that stress of holding in what he really wants to say must be taking a toll on his health. For him, NOT saying something and evaluating every word he does say is not a normal state of affairs. |
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18 Sep 23 - 01:12 PM (#4188555) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Regarding Trump's recent confusion, I'm wondering whether the strain of having to think before he speaks due to legal constraints is starting to make his brain boil over. All that stress of holding in what he really wants to say must be taking a toll on his health. For him, NOT saying something and evaluating every word he does say is not a normal state of affairs. |
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19 Sep 23 - 10:27 AM (#4181970) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel A Trumpist can relate to a fuck up or a bad choice addict like Trump. They sympathize because a bit of them is like Donald. Sometimes they screw up through no fault of their own. In their eyes, Trump can do no wrong because of his trappings of wealth or white supremacy. Other people of some accomplishment can do wrong by just speaking. |
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19 Sep 23 - 10:27 AM (#4188638) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel A Trumpist can relate to a fuck up or a bad choice addict like Trump. They sympathize because a bit of them is like Donald. Sometimes they screw up through no fault of their own. In their eyes, Trump can do no wrong because of his trappings of wealth or white supremacy. Other people of some accomplishment can do wrong by just speaking. |
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19 Sep 23 - 11:06 AM (#4188719) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Case it point, how quickly, during the #MeToo era, Kirsten Gillibrand insisted Al Franken resign from the senate, and to avoid a fuss, Al did. But his faux pas were of enthusiastic hugs or getting too close in personal space, and when he was told to stop it, he did. We lost a really good one there. Thanks, Kirsten, for watching out for the party. Not. I always thought he should have stayed. She's much less effective or helpful. |
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19 Sep 23 - 11:06 AM (#4181974) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Case it point, how quickly, during the #MeToo era, Kirsten Gillibrand insisted Al Franken resign from the senate, and to avoid a fuss, Al did. But his faux pas were of enthusiastic hugs or getting too close in personal space, and when he was told to stop it, he did. We lost a really good one there. Thanks, Kirsten, for watching out for the party. Not. I always thought he should have stayed. She's much less effective or helpful. |
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20 Sep 23 - 09:16 AM (#4182067) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel EX GENERAL FLYNN IS THRILLED https://www.cnet.com/news/misinformation/qanon-explained-q-returns-after-18-months-of-silence/ |
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20 Sep 23 - 09:16 AM (#4188639) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel EX GENERAL FLYNN IS THRILLED https://www.cnet.com/news/misinformation/qanon-explained-q-returns-after-18-months-of-silence/ |
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20 Sep 23 - 11:32 AM (#4188720) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Sounds like someone just got out of jail. That might make it easier to figure out who Q is. The Trump support tag team (aka the "Freedom Caucus" in the US House of Representatives) are having a go at Merrick Garland this morning in a sham hearing. They should have a stack of individual pack Wet Ones hand wipes at the table - people will feel like they need to clean up after being addressed by the likes of Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan. |
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20 Sep 23 - 11:32 AM (#4182082) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Sounds like someone just got out of jail. That might make it easier to figure out who Q is. The Trump support tag team (aka the "Freedom Caucus" in the US House of Representatives) are having a go at Merrick Garland this morning in a sham hearing. They should have a stack of individual pack Wet Ones hand wipes at the table - people will feel like they need to clean up after being addressed by the likes of Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan. |
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21 Sep 23 - 08:22 AM (#4182131) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Three sources have told Rolling Stone that Trump has asked his lawyers about possible prison time. He wondered; if a bad prison or a Club Fed prison is possible, Would I have to wear an orange jumpsuit, Could I stay at home, Would the Secret Service be involved, what if I won while in jail? He is fretting about it despite his public remarks. |
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21 Sep 23 - 08:22 AM (#4188642) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Three sources have told Rolling Stone that Trump has asked his lawyers about possible prison time. He wondered; if a bad prison or a Club Fed prison is possible, Would I have to wear an orange jumpsuit, Could I stay at home, Would the Secret Service be involved, what if I won while in jail? He is fretting about it despite his public remarks. |
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21 Sep 23 - 12:58 PM (#4182144) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage With democracy on the ballot, the mainstream press must change its ways US news organizations have turned Biden’s age into a scandal and continue to cover Trump as an entertaining side show |
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21 Sep 23 - 12:58 PM (#4188724) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage With democracy on the ballot, the mainstream press must change its ways US news organizations have turned Biden’s age into a scandal and continue to cover Trump as an entertaining side show |
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22 Sep 23 - 09:46 PM (#4188722) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage 'Set the stage for a demagogue': Presidential historian explains rise of Trump Former President Donald Trump's uniquely successful rise to power over the Republican Party, and his durable support even in the face of criminal indictments, is a product of unique changes to the cultural and media landscape that have only recently become possible. Instead of the media per se, Beschloss credits the rise of the Internet in the mid-1990s, and the beginning of "Fox News" (that isn't really a news site, it presents current events as entertainment). |
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22 Sep 23 - 09:46 PM (#4182230) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage 'Set the stage for a demagogue': Presidential historian explains rise of Trump Former President Donald Trump's uniquely successful rise to power over the Republican Party, and his durable support even in the face of criminal indictments, is a product of unique changes to the cultural and media landscape that have only recently become possible. Instead of the media per se, Beschloss credits the rise of the Internet in the mid-1990s, and the beginning of "Fox News" (that isn't really a news site, it presents current events as entertainment). |
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23 Sep 23 - 07:18 PM (#4182298) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage It's one thing to make a point on a related topic and move on, it's another to take that subject and drag the entire thread down an unrelated path. Detritus removed. I scrolled down the US tab in Google News this evening and it wasn't until the 21st grouped box that a Trump story appeared, and this time it's about Cassidy Hutchinson with Trump stories to tell. He's like a toddler who has been quiet for a while - it makes me think he's up to no-good. He's in the news so much, to the point that when he isn't in the news it seems to be when he finds a way to bring attention back to himself, and in his world, any attention is good attention. |
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23 Sep 23 - 07:18 PM (#4188725) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage It's one thing to make a point on a related topic and move on, it's another to take that subject and drag the entire thread down an unrelated path. Detritus removed. I scrolled down the US tab in Google News this evening and it wasn't until the 21st grouped box that a Trump story appeared, and this time it's about Cassidy Hutchinson with Trump stories to tell. He's like a toddler who has been quiet for a while - it makes me think he's up to no-good. He's in the news so much, to the point that when he isn't in the news it seems to be when he finds a way to bring attention back to himself, and in his world, any attention is good attention. |
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24 Sep 23 - 09:57 AM (#4188648) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Whats going on? |
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24 Sep 23 - 09:57 AM (#4182317) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Whats going on? |
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24 Sep 23 - 10:09 AM (#4182319) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage On which front? In the New York fraud case: Engoron told the courtroom that he intends to issue a single ruling by Tuesday that would decide the three major issues at question, including the government motion for partial summary judgment -- which could allow Engoron to decide a portion of or the entire case without a trial -- and New York Attorney General Letitia James' request to impose legal sanctions on the defendants. Meanwhile, Jack Smith has brought in a trusted deputy from the Hague to work on the January 6 case. |
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24 Sep 23 - 10:09 AM (#4188726) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage On which front? In the New York fraud case: Engoron told the courtroom that he intends to issue a single ruling by Tuesday that would decide the three major issues at question, including the government motion for partial summary judgment -- which could allow Engoron to decide a portion of or the entire case without a trial -- and New York Attorney General Letitia James' request to impose legal sanctions on the defendants. Meanwhile, Jack Smith has brought in a trusted deputy from the Hague to work on the January 6 case. |
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25 Sep 23 - 09:10 AM (#4188844) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk Meanwhile, here's some context for Trump's actions (from the Washington Post, which I can't access, via RISKS Digest, which I can), which explains the fœtid waters he swims in: Misinformation research is buckling under GOP legal attacks (WashPost)
Personal opinion: This is the hidden face of Cancel Culture. Welcome to Room 101. |
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25 Sep 23 - 09:10 AM (#4182405) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk Meanwhile, here's some context for Trump's actions (from the Washington Post, which I can't access, via RISKS Digest, which I can), which explains the fœtid waters he swims in: Misinformation research is buckling under GOP legal attacks (WashPost)
Personal opinion: This is the hidden face of Cancel Culture. Welcome to Room 101. |
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25 Sep 23 - 09:24 PM (#4182452) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The GOP attention has been laser-focused on Hunter Biden, as they try to suggest that someone who never had a job in the Biden administration is the same as Trump (or Trump's son-in-law Kushner, who took billions from the Saudi's the moment Trump was out of the White House). What Menendez has allegedly done is a problem, and you'd think they would grasp that, but he isn't in the Biden family or with the name, so they don't seem to care. And if Menendez did step down, the New Jersey governor could appoint someone to replace him. Since Murphy is Democrat, the balance remains in the Senate. Cassidy Hutchinson's book comes out Tuesday, and she's on Rachel Maddow's show tonight. What do you want to bet Trump won't resist tweeting or posting to Truth Social when her stories are in print for all to see (or during or after her interview airs). |
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25 Sep 23 - 09:24 PM (#4188727) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The GOP attention has been laser-focused on Hunter Biden, as they try to suggest that someone who never had a job in the Biden administration is the same as Trump (or Trump's son-in-law Kushner, who took billions from the Saudi's the moment Trump was out of the White House). What Menendez has allegedly done is a problem, and you'd think they would grasp that, but he isn't in the Biden family or with the name, so they don't seem to care. And if Menendez did step down, the New Jersey governor could appoint someone to replace him. Since Murphy is Democrat, the balance remains in the Senate. Cassidy Hutchinson's book comes out Tuesday, and she's on Rachel Maddow's show tonight. What do you want to bet Trump won't resist tweeting or posting to Truth Social when her stories are in print for all to see (or during or after her interview airs). |
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26 Sep 23 - 05:18 PM (#4188768) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Just out: https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-rules-donald-trump-defrauded-202326707.html |
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26 Sep 23 - 05:18 PM (#4182505) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Just out: https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-rules-donald-trump-defrauded-202326707.html |
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26 Sep 23 - 05:44 PM (#4182507) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen You beat me to it, Lighter. I was just about to add a link to a news article in Oz. Judge rules former US president Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers as he built his real estate empire "Former US president Donald Trump and his family business have been found liable for fraud in a New York court "The civil case was brought Attorney General Letitia James', accusing Mr Trump of illegally inflating his assets and net worth "Ms James accused him of lying for a decade about asset values and his net worth to get better terms on bank loans and insurance" One thing I don't understand is what the judge's ruling means if a "trial is scheduled for October 2, and could last well into December". The judge has made a ruling but there will still be a trial? |
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26 Sep 23 - 05:44 PM (#4188556) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen You beat me to it, Lighter. I was just about to add a link to a news article in Oz. Judge rules former US president Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers as he built his real estate empire "Former US president Donald Trump and his family business have been found liable for fraud in a New York court "The civil case was brought Attorney General Letitia James', accusing Mr Trump of illegally inflating his assets and net worth "Ms James accused him of lying for a decade about asset values and his net worth to get better terms on bank loans and insurance" One thing I don't understand is what the judge's ruling means if a "trial is scheduled for October 2, and could last well into December". The judge has made a ruling but there will still be a trial? |
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26 Sep 23 - 06:00 PM (#4182510) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Helen, there are five more charges outstanding. Moreover, the jury will also have to determine the amount, if any, of the fine. Meanwhile, the judge's order to dissolve the Trump Organization and tokeep Trump and his sons from running any other corporations in the state is nothing to be sneezed at. |
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26 Sep 23 - 06:00 PM (#4188769) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Helen, there are five more charges outstanding. Moreover, the jury will also have to determine the amount, if any, of the fine. Meanwhile, the judge's order to dissolve the Trump Organization and tokeep Trump and his sons from running any other corporations in the state is nothing to be sneezed at. |
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26 Sep 23 - 06:38 PM (#4182511) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Ah, thanks Lighter. I get it now. And to "dissolve the Trump Organization and to keep Trump and his sons from running any other corporations in the state" - I'd like to see that. Hit them in the hip pocket nerve, where it hurts the most! |
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26 Sep 23 - 06:38 PM (#4188557) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Ah, thanks Lighter. I get it now. And to "dissolve the Trump Organization and to keep Trump and his sons from running any other corporations in the state" - I'd like to see that. Hit them in the hip pocket nerve, where it hurts the most! |
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26 Sep 23 - 08:42 PM (#4182517) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I just read the New York Times article about it - Ms. James' goal is to stop Trump from operating those businesses and getting loans, etc. And the trial starts next week. |
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26 Sep 23 - 08:42 PM (#4188728) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I just read the New York Times article about it - Ms. James' goal is to stop Trump from operating those businesses and getting loans, etc. And the trial starts next week. |
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27 Sep 23 - 12:07 PM (#4188729) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage From CNN: A New York judge found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud and canceled the Trump Organization’s business certification, a shocking ruling that poses an existential threat to the former president’s financial empire as he runs for a second term in the White House. The rest is here. |
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27 Sep 23 - 12:07 PM (#4182565) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage From CNN: A New York judge found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud and canceled the Trump Organization’s business certification, a shocking ruling that poses an existential threat to the former president’s financial empire as he runs for a second term in the White House. The rest is here. |
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27 Sep 23 - 01:07 PM (#4182567) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage It appears that Trump supporter Mike Lindell is having his own financial problems continue. Now American Express has slashed his credit line. Couldn't happen to a "Steve, we really need everybody's help right now. We have things going on I'm going to let you all know this week," Lindell told fellow Trump ally Steve Bannon on the latter's "War Room" podcast on Monday. |
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27 Sep 23 - 01:07 PM (#4188730) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage It appears that Trump supporter Mike Lindell is having his own financial problems continue. Now American Express has slashed his credit line. Couldn't happen to a "Steve, we really need everybody's help right now. We have things going on I'm going to let you all know this week," Lindell told fellow Trump ally Steve Bannon on the latter's "War Room" podcast on Monday. |
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28 Sep 23 - 01:00 PM (#4188731) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Even absent last night at the second GOP staged brawl, Trump was the Elephant in the Room. He's the Man who came to dinner, we can't get rid of him. Chris Christie needs to figure out that less is more. He was on a roll until he added that they'll now call him Donald Duck. |
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28 Sep 23 - 01:00 PM (#4182615) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Even absent last night at the second GOP staged brawl, Trump was the Elephant in the Room. He's the Man who came to dinner, we can't get rid of him. Chris Christie needs to figure out that less is more. He was on a roll until he added that they'll now call him Donald Duck. |
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28 Sep 23 - 02:16 PM (#4182618) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump and his adult children expected to be called to testify in New York fraud trial Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump are among the 28 names on James’ list of witnesses to be called in the case. Trump’s sons, who are also defendants in the case, have run the company since Trump was elected president in 2016. |
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28 Sep 23 - 02:16 PM (#4188732) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump and his adult children expected to be called to testify in New York fraud trial Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump are among the 28 names on James’ list of witnesses to be called in the case. Trump’s sons, who are also defendants in the case, have run the company since Trump was elected president in 2016. |
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28 Sep 23 - 02:23 PM (#4188733) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Meanwhile, the Trump toadies in the House of Representatives are desperate to try to do to Biden what the Senate did to Trump. What they want to do hasn't been authorised, so this is a sham hearing. AOC AND JAMIE RASKIN SHATTER GOP’S FAKE BIDEN IMPEACHMENT HEARING Just to make sure everyone is clear on this, Comer admitted that the hearing that the committee is holding isn’t an impeachment hearing, because the House hasn’t authorized an impeachment investigation. The hearing that Comer and Jordan are holding isn’t a real impeachment investigation hearing. Rep. Adam Schiff held authorized impeachment investigative hearings for Trump’s first impeachment because the House authorized the investigation. |
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28 Sep 23 - 02:23 PM (#4182620) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Meanwhile, the Trump toadies in the House of Representatives are desperate to try to do to Biden what the Senate did to Trump. What they want to do hasn't been authorised, so this is a sham hearing. AOC AND JAMIE RASKIN SHATTER GOP’S FAKE BIDEN IMPEACHMENT HEARING Just to make sure everyone is clear on this, Comer admitted that the hearing that the committee is holding isn’t an impeachment hearing, because the House hasn’t authorized an impeachment investigation. The hearing that Comer and Jordan are holding isn’t a real impeachment investigation hearing. Rep. Adam Schiff held authorized impeachment investigative hearings for Trump’s first impeachment because the House authorized the investigation. |
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28 Sep 23 - 10:33 PM (#4182647) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk
That methinks is of a piece with the entire Trump charade: all smoke, mirrors and Cable TV newsbites. |
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28 Sep 23 - 10:33 PM (#4188845) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: MaJoC the Filk
That methinks is of a piece with the entire Trump charade: all smoke, mirrors and Cable TV newsbites. |
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28 Sep 23 - 11:55 PM (#4188734) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage On Monday the other shoe drops in Manhattan. His appeal didn't work and the trial begins. Pass the popcorn. |
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28 Sep 23 - 11:55 PM (#4182650) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage On Monday the other shoe drops in Manhattan. His appeal didn't work and the trial begins. Pass the popcorn. |
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29 Sep 23 - 11:10 AM (#4182674) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump World won't have a reason to chime in (but who knows - it could happen) regarding the death of Dianne Feinstein. California Gov. Newsom will appoint a black woman to fill out the rest of her term. This will give everyone a short course on how to replace a Democratic senator in a Democratic state with a Democratic governor. Next - will Menendez step down and let Democratic governor Philip Murphy appoint a replacement to fill the rest of his term? She stayed too long and the last term was fraught due to absences and illness, and people were pressuring her to leave. So she did. Unlike the GOP supporting it's criminal class, the Democratic party is shifting itself to put pressure on Menendez to leave, who is much less likely to die in office. In the meantime, Trump should stop flying around to events, should sell the jet, should hunker down at his home in Florida and be glad that state is one that is very liberal (!) when it comes to being able to keep your home if you go bankrupt. He and his sons are on the brink of losing their business license in the State of New York, where many of his holdings are in place. Apparently Ivanka had her own court case last year about her standing and is the only member of the family still able to have businesses there. Does she become the sudden heir of the whole thing, or will it be liquidated by the state? She seems to have fallen from grace in the family, but perhaps that will shift. |
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29 Sep 23 - 11:10 AM (#4188735) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump World won't have a reason to chime in (but who knows - it could happen) regarding the death of Dianne Feinstein. California Gov. Newsom will appoint a black woman to fill out the rest of her term. This will give everyone a short course on how to replace a Democratic senator in a Democratic state with a Democratic governor. Next - will Menendez step down and let Democratic governor Philip Murphy appoint a replacement to fill the rest of his term? She stayed too long and the last term was fraught due to absences and illness, and people were pressuring her to leave. So she did. Unlike the GOP supporting it's criminal class, the Democratic party is shifting itself to put pressure on Menendez to leave, who is much less likely to die in office. In the meantime, Trump should stop flying around to events, should sell the jet, should hunker down at his home in Florida and be glad that state is one that is very liberal (!) when it comes to being able to keep your home if you go bankrupt. He and his sons are on the brink of losing their business license in the State of New York, where many of his holdings are in place. Apparently Ivanka had her own court case last year about her standing and is the only member of the family still able to have businesses there. Does she become the sudden heir of the whole thing, or will it be liquidated by the state? She seems to have fallen from grace in the family, but perhaps that will shift. |
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29 Sep 23 - 11:53 AM (#4188819) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw A dose of realism in today's Guardian: Unless Joe Biden stands aside, the world must prepare for President Trump 2.0 Timothy Garton Ash "The president has had a good run. But the Democrats must choose a younger candidate if Donald Trump is to be kept out of the White House." In a nutshell, he's saying that Biden is showing his age. He'll be 86 at the end of a second term. In the polls he and Trump are neck and neck and it will take very little to swing the odds in Trump's favour. Biden has done well, but he must now stand aside and let a younger candidate challenge Trump. That's Garton Ash. This is me: this planet (not just your country) can't afford another Trump term. First, you may or may not be able to stop his candidacy. After nearly three years you still don't seem to know and the sleepwalk continues. Second, old man Biden has a long way to go before November next year and there is too much to go wrong. Where's that younger candidate? Anyway, I know some of you yanks think that no-one outside the US can possibly know what's going on, but read the piece anyway. It's a good read. |
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29 Sep 23 - 11:53 AM (#4182682) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw A dose of realism in today's Guardian: Unless Joe Biden stands aside, the world must prepare for President Trump 2.0 Timothy Garton Ash "The president has had a good run. But the Democrats must choose a younger candidate if Donald Trump is to be kept out of the White House." In a nutshell, he's saying that Biden is showing his age. He'll be 86 at the end of a second term. In the polls he and Trump are neck and neck and it will take very little to swing the odds in Trump's favour. Biden has done well, but he must now stand aside and let a younger candidate challenge Trump. That's Garton Ash. This is me: this planet (not just your country) can't afford another Trump term. First, you may or may not be able to stop his candidacy. After nearly three years you still don't seem to know and the sleepwalk continues. Second, old man Biden has a long way to go before November next year and there is too much to go wrong. Where's that younger candidate? Anyway, I know some of you yanks think that no-one outside the US can possibly know what's going on, but read the piece anyway. It's a good read. |
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29 Sep 23 - 05:26 PM (#4182707) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump and Biden are for all intents and purposes the same age. A couple of years apart. If Trump can run, Biden can run. I'll tell you what I tell people every year. Don't Believe the Polls They're inaccurate, they don't ask good questions and they don't ask every voter. They're flawed and they have too much influence if people let them. The only polls that matter are the voting booth. |
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29 Sep 23 - 05:26 PM (#4188736) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump and Biden are for all intents and purposes the same age. A couple of years apart. If Trump can run, Biden can run. I'll tell you what I tell people every year. Don't Believe the Polls They're inaccurate, they don't ask good questions and they don't ask every voter. They're flawed and they have too much influence if people let them. The only polls that matter are the voting booth. |
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29 Sep 23 - 06:32 PM (#4188820) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Well they might well be similar in age, but fer chrissake don't deny that one looks a damn sight older and more rickety than the other. This does matter. I wish Joe Biden well, but rest assured that millions of us outsiders look at him and wonder how many more times he'll stumble, fall over, be hesitant, etc., and whether Trump will be honourable enough to cut him some slack in the next fourteen months. I think you know the answer. |
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29 Sep 23 - 06:32 PM (#4182713) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Well they might well be similar in age, but fer chrissake don't deny that one looks a damn sight older and more rickety than the other. This does matter. I wish Joe Biden well, but rest assured that millions of us outsiders look at him and wonder how many more times he'll stumble, fall over, be hesitant, etc., and whether Trump will be honourable enough to cut him some slack in the next fourteen months. I think you know the answer. |
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29 Sep 23 - 08:38 PM (#4182722) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage You must be watching the news that tries to find any small wobble and slows or emphasises it and blows it out of proportion. You do realize that Trump is obese, probably wears a diaper and a girdle, has a hair weave, wears makeup to keep that orange glow, and has a terrible diet? He doesn't get enough sleep and he throws stuff when he's pissed, so a lot broken crockery and new paint around his environs. Biden exercises at home, bikes outside regularly, eats well, and has a clear conscience. Ok, he needs to do something about the dog (call Cesar Millan, for starters). He looks healthy for his age and he's a damn sight better candidate than Trump. Trump is a player, always calculating, Biden is kind and smart. |
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29 Sep 23 - 08:38 PM (#4188737) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage You must be watching the news that tries to find any small wobble and slows or emphasises it and blows it out of proportion. You do realize that Trump is obese, probably wears a diaper and a girdle, has a hair weave, wears makeup to keep that orange glow, and has a terrible diet? He doesn't get enough sleep and he throws stuff when he's pissed, so a lot broken crockery and new paint around his environs. Biden exercises at home, bikes outside regularly, eats well, and has a clear conscience. Ok, he needs to do something about the dog (call Cesar Millan, for starters). He looks healthy for his age and he's a damn sight better candidate than Trump. Trump is a player, always calculating, Biden is kind and smart. |
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30 Sep 23 - 08:42 AM (#4188821) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Well that's a good message but this is politics, and populism is far from being dead in your country. You may be right about Trump's nappies and woven hair (he'll deny the nappies, of course) but we know that Bad Things about Trump tend, paradoxically, to strengthen him. Try to exploit them at your peril. Biden has been a good president but there are plenty of supposed weaknesses to exploit. It going to be an interesting few months, and you won't be able to rely on Biden's integrity alone to get him through. A horrid, populist right-winger ousted a mild man of integrity in 1980. Let's hope we are not going to have to say 'twas ever thus. |
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30 Sep 23 - 08:42 AM (#4182744) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Well that's a good message but this is politics, and populism is far from being dead in your country. You may be right about Trump's nappies and woven hair (he'll deny the nappies, of course) but we know that Bad Things about Trump tend, paradoxically, to strengthen him. Try to exploit them at your peril. Biden has been a good president but there are plenty of supposed weaknesses to exploit. It going to be an interesting few months, and you won't be able to rely on Biden's integrity alone to get him through. A horrid, populist right-winger ousted a mild man of integrity in 1980. Let's hope we are not going to have to say 'twas ever thus. |
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30 Sep 23 - 11:18 AM (#4182754) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage You've said the same jaundiced things several times and have been told it isn't a good reading of the situation. Man of Constant Sorrow is a parody that Mudcatter gnu shared this weekend. |
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30 Sep 23 - 11:18 AM (#4188738) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage You've said the same jaundiced things several times and have been told it isn't a good reading of the situation. Man of Constant Sorrow is a parody that Mudcatter gnu shared this weekend. |
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30 Sep 23 - 11:26 AM (#4188822) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Jaundiced things my backside, Maggie. I've expressed my opinion, right or wrong, in civil tones. You've revealed multiple times here that you think that Brits can't have valid opinions on US politics. Now that's what I could call jaundiced. |
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30 Sep 23 - 11:26 AM (#4182756) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Jaundiced things my backside, Maggie. I've expressed my opinion, right or wrong, in civil tones. You've revealed multiple times here that you think that Brits can't have valid opinions on US politics. Now that's what I could call jaundiced. |
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30 Sep 23 - 02:11 PM (#4182766) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen The polls I have seen are ranking Biden and Trump fairly equal. It seems logical to me for them both to run - assuming that Trump gets the GOP nomination, which appears likely - because it would be an uphill battle for the Democrats to find someone else with any chance of beating Trump. |
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30 Sep 23 - 02:11 PM (#4188558) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen The polls I have seen are ranking Biden and Trump fairly equal. It seems logical to me for them both to run - assuming that Trump gets the GOP nomination, which appears likely - because it would be an uphill battle for the Democrats to find someone else with any chance of beating Trump. |
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30 Sep 23 - 03:51 PM (#4182771) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw So why haven't they been looking for the last three years? Has no-one got the vision to see that a candidate who looks frail now and who will be 86 at the end of a second term, five long years from now, could well be a liability in an election in over a year's time? I mean, what if he dies or gets really sick, fer chrissake? The age difference between them isn't too far short of a presidential term in length. You can't pretend that that doesn't matter. Listen, I like Biden, I think he's done well and the world feels safer with him at the helm. But there has to be someone else in the frame, at least to fall back on even if they don't replace him. Where is that person? They are neck and neck in the polls now, but trip-ups will wound Biden far more than they will Trump. There's his son and there's his Afghanistan cock-up for starters. Populism and seventy-odd million ignorant people have been set in place to make Trump ever stronger at every trip-up. He seems almost impregnable at times. Read the piece by Timothy Garton Ash. He's a big Biden supporter, as am I, he's worried, and he's far more savvy in these matters than I am. I don't think you'll find anything "jaundiced" in his piece, whether you agree with him or not. |
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30 Sep 23 - 03:51 PM (#4188823) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw So why haven't they been looking for the last three years? Has no-one got the vision to see that a candidate who looks frail now and who will be 86 at the end of a second term, five long years from now, could well be a liability in an election in over a year's time? I mean, what if he dies or gets really sick, fer chrissake? The age difference between them isn't too far short of a presidential term in length. You can't pretend that that doesn't matter. Listen, I like Biden, I think he's done well and the world feels safer with him at the helm. But there has to be someone else in the frame, at least to fall back on even if they don't replace him. Where is that person? They are neck and neck in the polls now, but trip-ups will wound Biden far more than they will Trump. There's his son and there's his Afghanistan cock-up for starters. Populism and seventy-odd million ignorant people have been set in place to make Trump ever stronger at every trip-up. He seems almost impregnable at times. Read the piece by Timothy Garton Ash. He's a big Biden supporter, as am I, he's worried, and he's far more savvy in these matters than I am. I don't think you'll find anything "jaundiced" in his piece, whether you agree with him or not. |
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30 Sep 23 - 04:49 PM (#4188739) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage There you go again. That "Afghanistan cock up" is Trump's - he set it in motion, intentionally, during his administration so it would land smack on the next guy. Stop borrowing trouble. Harris is a talented and able vice president. If she becomes president through Biden's departure - voluntary or not - she will do a good job. I worry more about the people who are fussing about Biden's age than I worry about Biden's age. |
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30 Sep 23 - 04:49 PM (#4182777) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage There you go again. That "Afghanistan cock up" is Trump's - he set it in motion, intentionally, during his administration so it would land smack on the next guy. Stop borrowing trouble. Harris is a talented and able vice president. If she becomes president through Biden's departure - voluntary or not - she will do a good job. I worry more about the people who are fussing about Biden's age than I worry about Biden's age. |
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30 Sep 23 - 05:57 PM (#4182781) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel James Carville agrees with Steve. So does Bill Maher. Gavin Newsom is biden his time. We don't want another Ruth Bader Ginsberg fiasco. But who knows, Joe could outlive Carter's age. If Trump goes to jail they will have to do a cavity search where they are likely to find Sean Hannity. |
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30 Sep 23 - 05:57 PM (#4188649) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel James Carville agrees with Steve. So does Bill Maher. Gavin Newsom is biden his time. We don't want another Ruth Bader Ginsberg fiasco. But who knows, Joe could outlive Carter's age. If Trump goes to jail they will have to do a cavity search where they are likely to find Sean Hannity. |
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30 Sep 23 - 06:10 PM (#4182786) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen SRS, I like Harris, and I totally agree with everything you said about her. Looking at the campaign through the perspective of marketing (i.e. business management-speak) I think that Biden has a good chance of getting re-elected but to start up a whole new person as a potential successful candidate when Biden is currently doing a good job in the role (in my opinion, and in the polling results) is not a good marketing strategy. I think that if Biden is re-elected then Harris stepping in, for whatever reason, is a good strategy but trying to get a woman elected, straight off the blocks, is not likely (in my opinion) due to ingrained beliefs that "a woman can't do the job". Not just male voters, but some female voters have that belief as well. |
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30 Sep 23 - 06:10 PM (#4188559) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen SRS, I like Harris, and I totally agree with everything you said about her. Looking at the campaign through the perspective of marketing (i.e. business management-speak) I think that Biden has a good chance of getting re-elected but to start up a whole new person as a potential successful candidate when Biden is currently doing a good job in the role (in my opinion, and in the polling results) is not a good marketing strategy. I think that if Biden is re-elected then Harris stepping in, for whatever reason, is a good strategy but trying to get a woman elected, straight off the blocks, is not likely (in my opinion) due to ingrained beliefs that "a woman can't do the job". Not just male voters, but some female voters have that belief as well. |
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30 Sep 23 - 07:01 PM (#4182789) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Kamala Harris is simply anonymous, and from this end, very disappointing. Trouble is, Maggie, while we all know here that Afghanistan was a Trump thing, the ignominious and chaotic withdrawal happened on Biden's watch. Suppose Trump makes a big thing of that in the next campaign. How many of his tens of millions of fans would blame him and not Biden? You and I are in a tiny minority when it comes to that digging and delving that ends up with our putting the ball into Trump's court in that regard. Let's not live in a bubble. Ultimately, it's what your electorate decides, not what you and I can live in hope with. By the way, when you say "there you go again," you are parroting the words of Reagan vs Jimmy Carter. I'm amazed that you'd lay yourself open to be tarred with that particular brush... Over here we have news sources as good or better than yours, and we cognescenti (:-)) can dig and delve. I don't look at questionable sources and I try really hard to not suffer from confirmation bias. I'm sure you're the same, but please stop thinking that only yanks can get a grip on US issues. Seventy-odd million of you haven't yet managed it, have they? |
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30 Sep 23 - 07:01 PM (#4188824) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Kamala Harris is simply anonymous, and from this end, very disappointing. Trouble is, Maggie, while we all know here that Afghanistan was a Trump thing, the ignominious and chaotic withdrawal happened on Biden's watch. Suppose Trump makes a big thing of that in the next campaign. How many of his tens of millions of fans would blame him and not Biden? You and I are in a tiny minority when it comes to that digging and delving that ends up with our putting the ball into Trump's court in that regard. Let's not live in a bubble. Ultimately, it's what your electorate decides, not what you and I can live in hope with. By the way, when you say "there you go again," you are parroting the words of Reagan vs Jimmy Carter. I'm amazed that you'd lay yourself open to be tarred with that particular brush... Over here we have news sources as good or better than yours, and we cognescenti (:-)) can dig and delve. I don't look at questionable sources and I try really hard to not suffer from confirmation bias. I'm sure you're the same, but please stop thinking that only yanks can get a grip on US issues. Seventy-odd million of you haven't yet managed it, have they? |
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30 Sep 23 - 07:10 PM (#4188825) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw By the way, when I say that Kamala is anonymous, I'm not saying that she's ineffective or useless or that she isn't doing a good job. Not a bit of it. But we are talking here about not having Trump as your next president. As it seems that your justice system will be incapable of dealing with him, we need really good people to be upfront and putting the moral case. I look forward to seeing more of her. At the moment, we foreigners don't actually know who she is. |
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30 Sep 23 - 07:10 PM (#4182791) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw By the way, when I say that Kamala is anonymous, I'm not saying that she's ineffective or useless or that she isn't doing a good job. Not a bit of it. But we are talking here about not having Trump as your next president. As it seems that your justice system will be incapable of dealing with him, we need really good people to be upfront and putting the moral case. I look forward to seeing more of her. At the moment, we foreigners don't actually know who she is. |
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30 Sep 23 - 09:47 PM (#4182794) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Is the smiley face next to the word "cognoscenti" because you don't know how to spell it? |
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30 Sep 23 - 09:47 PM (#4188560) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Is the smiley face next to the word "cognoscenti" because you don't know how to spell it? |
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01 Oct 23 - 07:14 AM (#4182804) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw I do know how to spell it (watch out when it comes to picking me up on spellings, by the way). I got my knickers in a twist over the brackets and symbols and concluded in the end that trying to put a smiley face inside brackets is not a good idea. Once I'd got that right, more or less, I moved on without doing the spelling correction. I knew it was wrong as soon as my post appeared. I'd usually send another post to correct an error like that, but my name's already popped up too many times in this thread's recent post list (who's going to disagree?), so I refrained on this occasion. Oh, and it doesn't help that I'm currently in a tangle with my optometrist with regard to my reading glasses prescription. I'll publish the address for sympathy cards to be sent to later. |
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01 Oct 23 - 07:14 AM (#4188826) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw I do know how to spell it (watch out when it comes to picking me up on spellings, by the way). I got my knickers in a twist over the brackets and symbols and concluded in the end that trying to put a smiley face inside brackets is not a good idea. Once I'd got that right, more or less, I moved on without doing the spelling correction. I knew it was wrong as soon as my post appeared. I'd usually send another post to correct an error like that, but my name's already popped up too many times in this thread's recent post list (who's going to disagree?), so I refrained on this occasion. Oh, and it doesn't help that I'm currently in a tangle with my optometrist with regard to my reading glasses prescription. I'll publish the address for sympathy cards to be sent to later. |
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01 Oct 23 - 10:15 AM (#4188740) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage How can I say this in a way to get you off of this one nerve you are insisting on poking and repoking? We hear what you are saying, BUT WE DON'T AGREE. Harris may be unknown to you, I don't know most of your politicians. I knew exactly what I meant, knew Reagan said it, but Reagan doesn't own that phrase. Move on. This topic is about Trump's indictments, it's not about what you forecast as doom and gloom regarding the failure of the US population to completely get rid of Trump in our political landscape. We're working on it. Move on. |
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01 Oct 23 - 10:15 AM (#4182816) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage How can I say this in a way to get you off of this one nerve you are insisting on poking and repoking? We hear what you are saying, BUT WE DON'T AGREE. Harris may be unknown to you, I don't know most of your politicians. I knew exactly what I meant, knew Reagan said it, but Reagan doesn't own that phrase. Move on. This topic is about Trump's indictments, it's not about what you forecast as doom and gloom regarding the failure of the US population to completely get rid of Trump in our political landscape. We're working on it. Move on. |
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01 Oct 23 - 11:02 AM (#4182819) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw I've already moved on but you want the last word. See my previous post. My opinion of your politicians is hardly any different to yours. I'm talking about how your electorate is going to see things, not you and I. And your recent bullying tone appears to make you sound like you're treading on free speech. Please don't do that. We know you don't like Brits commenting on your politics and that you think we can't read the news properly. You've made that perfectly clear. I note that you haven't made even the slightest reference to the thoughtful piece by Timothy Garton Ash. Another Brit, eh, just one who happens to know a damn sight more about all this than you and me. Did you even bother to read it? I'm moving on now. Please don't delete this then have the last word again, eh? |
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01 Oct 23 - 11:02 AM (#4188827) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw I've already moved on but you want the last word. See my previous post. My opinion of your politicians is hardly any different to yours. I'm talking about how your electorate is going to see things, not you and I. And your recent bullying tone appears to make you sound like you're treading on free speech. Please don't do that. We know you don't like Brits commenting on your politics and that you think we can't read the news properly. You've made that perfectly clear. I note that you haven't made even the slightest reference to the thoughtful piece by Timothy Garton Ash. Another Brit, eh, just one who happens to know a damn sight more about all this than you and me. Did you even bother to read it? I'm moving on now. Please don't delete this then have the last word again, eh? |
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01 Oct 23 - 11:04 AM (#4188828) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Finally (really!), read my lips: you are not getting rid of Trump. |
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01 Oct 23 - 11:04 AM (#4182820) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Finally (really!), read my lips: you are not getting rid of Trump. |
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01 Oct 23 - 12:30 PM (#4182826) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel When people are even the slightest bit right, but for the wrong reasons, they are basically wrong overall. |
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01 Oct 23 - 12:30 PM (#4188650) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel When people are even the slightest bit right, but for the wrong reasons, they are basically wrong overall. |
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01 Oct 23 - 01:32 PM (#4188770) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Let's see what the jury hits him for in his fraud trial. The State of New York wants $250,000,000. His former "fixer," Michael Cohen, believes that $500,000,000 is possible and appropriate. On the other hand, they could award $1.00. Trump insists that all the fraudulently obtained loans were fully repaid, and that "There were no victims!" That's powerful stuff if you like Trump. If Trump's fine is minimal compared to what the state is asking, it'll be a big win - and a very ill omen. |
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01 Oct 23 - 01:32 PM (#4182829) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Let's see what the jury hits him for in his fraud trial. The State of New York wants $250,000,000. His former "fixer," Michael Cohen, believes that $500,000,000 is possible and appropriate. On the other hand, they could award $1.00. Trump insists that all the fraudulently obtained loans were fully repaid, and that "There were no victims!" That's powerful stuff if you like Trump. If Trump's fine is minimal compared to what the state is asking, it'll be a big win - and a very ill omen. |
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01 Oct 23 - 01:47 PM (#4182832) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The Trump defense is 'everybody does it'. That excuse doesn't even work if you are stopped by a cop and you say 'Everybody was speeding'. |
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01 Oct 23 - 01:47 PM (#4188651) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The Trump defense is 'everybody does it'. That excuse doesn't even work if you are stopped by a cop and you say 'Everybody was speeding'. |
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01 Oct 23 - 02:50 PM (#4182834) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Steve, we know how good your precognitive skills are, but it ain't over until the fat orange man sings. |
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01 Oct 23 - 02:50 PM (#4188561) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Steve, we know how good your precognitive skills are, but it ain't over until the fat orange man sings. |
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01 Oct 23 - 05:43 PM (#4182843) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Well what does that mean. Never mind. Fraud isn't going to get Donald Trump. I think we all know that. |
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01 Oct 23 - 05:43 PM (#4188829) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Well what does that mean. Never mind. Fraud isn't going to get Donald Trump. I think we all know that. |
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01 Oct 23 - 06:36 PM (#4188830) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw By the way, we can all comfort ourselves by calling him the orange one, fat, stupid, he wears diapers, he uses makeup, his hair is fake, his diet is terrible, he'll hate jail, etc. It's all just words. None of this is in any way serious enough criticism for his tens of millions of supporters to ditch him. No way. Another line of attack is needed. Court cases will go on for months and years, and he's fixed your Supreme Court, just in case he decides to take his appeals there. Fraud cases will get us nowhere. Charges of offences against the state may do. Maggie says it's about getting rid of him. Sure. But there's no serious discussion here of how we an actually do that, and the world is watching. |
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01 Oct 23 - 06:36 PM (#4182845) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw By the way, we can all comfort ourselves by calling him the orange one, fat, stupid, he wears diapers, he uses makeup, his hair is fake, his diet is terrible, he'll hate jail, etc. It's all just words. None of this is in any way serious enough criticism for his tens of millions of supporters to ditch him. No way. Another line of attack is needed. Court cases will go on for months and years, and he's fixed your Supreme Court, just in case he decides to take his appeals there. Fraud cases will get us nowhere. Charges of offences against the state may do. Maggie says it's about getting rid of him. Sure. But there's no serious discussion here of how we an actually do that, and the world is watching. |
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02 Oct 23 - 09:44 AM (#4182874) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The WP had a Trump real estate calculator for people to try on their own homes. Ours came to 17 million. |
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02 Oct 23 - 09:44 AM (#4188652) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The WP had a Trump real estate calculator for people to try on their own homes. Ours came to 17 million. |
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02 Oct 23 - 10:06 AM (#4188653) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The most slick witness in the Fraud trial against Trump will be Trump. He is famous for his Freudian slips. His Freudian slip-and-slide is like a HUGE polluted water slide. His trials will all be Freud Trials. The rule of law and the Constitution are our democratic weapons of choice. Perhaps Steve is suggesting something more expedient and final |
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02 Oct 23 - 10:06 AM (#4182878) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The most slick witness in the Fraud trial against Trump will be Trump. He is famous for his Freudian slips. His Freudian slip-and-slide is like a HUGE polluted water slide. His trials will all be Freud Trials. The rule of law and the Constitution are our democratic weapons of choice. Perhaps Steve is suggesting something more expedient and final |
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02 Oct 23 - 10:40 AM (#4182879) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The judge in the case isn't allowing video of opening and closing statements, but is allowing still cameras in the courtroom. Smart photographers will use mirrorless cameras that don't make a shutter noise to distract the subjects of the photos. The Orange one has put in an appearance today, seated front and center in court. Someone must have told him that a blue tie is appropriate for court, he doesn't have his signature red over-long tie. This morning's MSNBC talking head is suggesting that if people could watch the trial then Trump's folks can't leave the courtroom and put their own "martyr" spin on the proceedings. They can see the judge being fair, etc. But after the first few photo ops before things begin, that isn't going to happen. I'm sure there will be lots of reporting from people who listen closely. Rachel Maddow does her weekly appearance on MSNBC on Monday evenings, so I'll be tuned in to see how she views the events of the day. You asked what people are going to do to get rid of him. Direct action as far as registering voters is a big part of it. Flipping a few seats in Congressional districts that support him will have the added effect of being able to undo damage he did in his only term. Prudent people don't wish for harmful or illegal things, especially not in writing (unlike his supporters who think violence is a tool to accomplish what they need.) Joining effective pro-voting groups and emboldening Biden supporters (who last time around felt targeted if they put political signage in their yards. Trump supporters vandalized homes and signs in 2016.) Helping people get to the polls. Working at the polls. The list grows. |
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02 Oct 23 - 10:40 AM (#4188741) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The judge in the case isn't allowing video of opening and closing statements, but is allowing still cameras in the courtroom. Smart photographers will use mirrorless cameras that don't make a shutter noise to distract the subjects of the photos. The Orange one has put in an appearance today, seated front and center in court. Someone must have told him that a blue tie is appropriate for court, he doesn't have his signature red over-long tie. This morning's MSNBC talking head is suggesting that if people could watch the trial then Trump's folks can't leave the courtroom and put their own "martyr" spin on the proceedings. They can see the judge being fair, etc. But after the first few photo ops before things begin, that isn't going to happen. I'm sure there will be lots of reporting from people who listen closely. Rachel Maddow does her weekly appearance on MSNBC on Monday evenings, so I'll be tuned in to see how she views the events of the day. You asked what people are going to do to get rid of him. Direct action as far as registering voters is a big part of it. Flipping a few seats in Congressional districts that support him will have the added effect of being able to undo damage he did in his only term. Prudent people don't wish for harmful or illegal things, especially not in writing (unlike his supporters who think violence is a tool to accomplish what they need.) Joining effective pro-voting groups and emboldening Biden supporters (who last time around felt targeted if they put political signage in their yards. Trump supporters vandalized homes and signs in 2016.) Helping people get to the polls. Working at the polls. The list grows. |
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02 Oct 23 - 10:55 AM (#4188654) Subject: RE:warning these are just words... From: Donuel I have found the least likely people to change their minds tend to be die-hard Trumpists. The reason has something to do with feelings of victimization, anger, vengeance, and psychological issues. I am not surprised by those who choose to cling to and enjoy a 'dangerous' leader who calls for retribution. From their victim's point of view, they feel a gross injustice that must be corrected by any means. I'm not just talking about Trumpists. |
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02 Oct 23 - 10:55 AM (#4182880) Subject: RE:warning these are just words... From: Donuel I have found the least likely people to change their minds tend to be die-hard Trumpists. The reason has something to do with feelings of victimization, anger, vengeance, and psychological issues. I am not surprised by those who choose to cling to and enjoy a 'dangerous' leader who calls for retribution. From their victim's point of view, they feel a gross injustice that must be corrected by any means. I'm not just talking about Trumpists. |
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02 Oct 23 - 01:24 PM (#4182886) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Turns out it's a bench trial - by Trump's choice. The judge is the jury. This a.m. Trump called the AG a "racist horror show" and Judge Ergeron a "rogue judge," both of them part of the "greatest witch hunt of all time." So the monetary judgment should be pretty hefty. |
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02 Oct 23 - 01:24 PM (#4188771) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Turns out it's a bench trial - by Trump's choice. The judge is the jury. This a.m. Trump called the AG a "racist horror show" and Judge Ergeron a "rogue judge," both of them part of the "greatest witch hunt of all time." So the monetary judgment should be pretty hefty. |
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02 Oct 23 - 01:25 PM (#4188742) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I think you'll find that if the GOP could get a reasonable person as their candidate (not a Trumper from political fantasy land) everyone could relax into a normal campaign. Think of someone who served on the January 6 committee. I don't like many of the political positions of Liz Cheney on various issues, but she is principled. Romney the same. Adam Kinzinger. They're normal conservative politicians who understand how government is supposed to work. |
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02 Oct 23 - 01:25 PM (#4182887) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I think you'll find that if the GOP could get a reasonable person as their candidate (not a Trumper from political fantasy land) everyone could relax into a normal campaign. Think of someone who served on the January 6 committee. I don't like many of the political positions of Liz Cheney on various issues, but she is principled. Romney the same. Adam Kinzinger. They're normal conservative politicians who understand how government is supposed to work. |
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02 Oct 23 - 03:13 PM (#4182896) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter One has to be in deep denial - or ignorance - to refer to MAGAs and their ilk as "conservatives." Dwight Eisenhower and John McCain were conservatives. So - despite obvious flaws - was Ronald Reagan. Compare Trump and his followers with any one of them. |
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02 Oct 23 - 03:13 PM (#4188772) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter One has to be in deep denial - or ignorance - to refer to MAGAs and their ilk as "conservatives." Dwight Eisenhower and John McCain were conservatives. So - despite obvious flaws - was Ronald Reagan. Compare Trump and his followers with any one of them. |
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02 Oct 23 - 03:22 PM (#4182898) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Lighter, SRS was referring to non-MAGA politicians, people who were prepared to act on their principles: "Think of someone who served on the January 6 committee." |
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02 Oct 23 - 03:22 PM (#4188562) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Lighter, SRS was referring to non-MAGA politicians, people who were prepared to act on their principles: "Think of someone who served on the January 6 committee." |
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02 Oct 23 - 03:56 PM (#4188585) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome What does he hope to achieve by publicly criticising the judge during the trial? On the basis that he does nothing without hoping to gain something, what will he get from this? |
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02 Oct 23 - 03:56 PM (#4182900) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome What does he hope to achieve by publicly criticising the judge during the trial? On the basis that he does nothing without hoping to gain something, what will he get from this? |
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02 Oct 23 - 04:24 PM (#4182901) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Backwoodsman I wonder if he’s trying to intimidate the judge, Dave? He’s a bully by nature, perhaps he thinks he can bully the judge into going easy on him? |
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02 Oct 23 - 04:24 PM (#4188797) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Backwoodsman I wonder if he’s trying to intimidate the judge, Dave? He’s a bully by nature, perhaps he thinks he can bully the judge into going easy on him? |
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02 Oct 23 - 04:53 PM (#4188773) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Yes, Helen. I was making a different point. Cheney, Romney, and Kinzinger are not of the MAGA ilk. But the MAGAs are firmly in the GOP saddle, and C, R, & K have no influence on them. |
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02 Oct 23 - 04:53 PM (#4182903) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Yes, Helen. I was making a different point. Cheney, Romney, and Kinzinger are not of the MAGA ilk. But the MAGAs are firmly in the GOP saddle, and C, R, & K have no influence on them. |
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02 Oct 23 - 05:03 PM (#4182904) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Oh sorry, Lighter. :-) |
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02 Oct 23 - 05:03 PM (#4188563) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Oh sorry, Lighter. :-) |
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02 Oct 23 - 05:50 PM (#4182907) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I had a conversation with a psychologist friend this weekend, discussing the difference between personality disorders, such as sociopaths, versus brain and chemical disorders such as schizophrenia or bipolar conditions. You can't "treat" personality disorders except for trying to teach some skills through lots of therapy and practice. Trump has no empathy, he's not going to learn it or be shamed into exhibiting it. He has a martyr thing going now, he collects grievances and acts out against those he considers his tormentors. He rarely listens to his attorneys when they try to get him to stop slamming his victims and the prosecutors and judges. He belongs in jail. Without a phone or a computer. |
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02 Oct 23 - 05:50 PM (#4188743) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I had a conversation with a psychologist friend this weekend, discussing the difference between personality disorders, such as sociopaths, versus brain and chemical disorders such as schizophrenia or bipolar conditions. You can't "treat" personality disorders except for trying to teach some skills through lots of therapy and practice. Trump has no empathy, he's not going to learn it or be shamed into exhibiting it. He has a martyr thing going now, he collects grievances and acts out against those he considers his tormentors. He rarely listens to his attorneys when they try to get him to stop slamming his victims and the prosecutors and judges. He belongs in jail. Without a phone or a computer. |
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02 Oct 23 - 07:42 PM (#4188656) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY is a book about using intimidation and outrageous rhetorical tactics. As Trump targets Judges, AGs, opponents and law enforcement it fuels his followers to attack 82 year olds with a hammer, shooting up FBI offices or commit other cowardly acts. A few laws would be curative. Get rid of the Electoral College. In 1969 we came within a handful of Senate votes to abolish the Electoral College. Make registering to vote mandatory at 18 so that voter suppression would no longer work. Make white supremacy political parties illegal just as we did with the Communist Party. |
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02 Oct 23 - 07:42 PM (#4182914) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY is a book about using intimidation and outrageous rhetorical tactics. As Trump targets Judges, AGs, opponents and law enforcement it fuels his followers to attack 82 year olds with a hammer, shooting up FBI offices or commit other cowardly acts. A few laws would be curative. Get rid of the Electoral College. In 1969 we came within a handful of Senate votes to abolish the Electoral College. Make registering to vote mandatory at 18 so that voter suppression would no longer work. Make white supremacy political parties illegal just as we did with the Communist Party. |
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02 Oct 23 - 08:13 PM (#4182917) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The Trump Supreme Court is back in session and will decide if domestic abusers may buy guns. They could decide that guns have more rights than women. We shall see. They will also decide if physicians and experts in government agencies will decide on medical issues like abortion pill availability or if lower court judges will decide. |
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02 Oct 23 - 08:13 PM (#4188657) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The Trump Supreme Court is back in session and will decide if domestic abusers may buy guns. They could decide that guns have more rights than women. We shall see. They will also decide if physicians and experts in government agencies will decide on medical issues like abortion pill availability or if lower court judges will decide. |
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02 Oct 23 - 09:32 PM (#4182920) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Besides the skating rinks, six of Trump Place residential buildings in New York City’s Upper West Side dropped his name in February. And his Trump SoHo hotel (also in New York City) removed the president’s name in 2017, spurring a full financial recovery from a prolonged slump. Two other Trump hotels?—one in Toronto, the other in Panama?—dropped his name in 2017 and 2018. The SoHo, Toronto and Panama hotels are no longer doing business with Trump, while the Upper West Side condos still have a contract with him. Multiple reports suggested that the properties cut ties with Trump because in a divisive political climate, the association was hurting business. The Panama hotel, however, accused the Trump Organization of evading taxes a year after ending their business relationship. Key background: Trump’s iconic skating rinks are located in the northern and southern ends of New York City’s Central Park. But he doesn’t own them. Instead, Trump leases them from the city, a long-held arrangement held over from when he took over their reconstruction in the ’80s. Trump famously got the project done on time and under budget, the Post reported, helping to solidify him as a reputable businessman. Tangent: Since Trump began his 2016 presidential campaign, his estimated net worth has dropped by $1.4 billion in Forbes’ ranking of billionaires. Polarizing politics were partly behind the decline, costing Trump an estimated $200 million at last count. The Chicago Trump Tower International Hotel still has its name on it. The Tribune has called for the name to be jackhammered off. The top floors are still owned by RUSSIAN oligarchs. |
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02 Oct 23 - 09:32 PM (#4188659) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Besides the skating rinks, six of Trump Place residential buildings in New York City’s Upper West Side dropped his name in February. And his Trump SoHo hotel (also in New York City) removed the president’s name in 2017, spurring a full financial recovery from a prolonged slump. Two other Trump hotels?—one in Toronto, the other in Panama?—dropped his name in 2017 and 2018. The SoHo, Toronto and Panama hotels are no longer doing business with Trump, while the Upper West Side condos still have a contract with him. Multiple reports suggested that the properties cut ties with Trump because in a divisive political climate, the association was hurting business. The Panama hotel, however, accused the Trump Organization of evading taxes a year after ending their business relationship. Key background: Trump’s iconic skating rinks are located in the northern and southern ends of New York City’s Central Park. But he doesn’t own them. Instead, Trump leases them from the city, a long-held arrangement held over from when he took over their reconstruction in the ’80s. Trump famously got the project done on time and under budget, the Post reported, helping to solidify him as a reputable businessman. Tangent: Since Trump began his 2016 presidential campaign, his estimated net worth has dropped by $1.4 billion in Forbes’ ranking of billionaires. Polarizing politics were partly behind the decline, costing Trump an estimated $200 million at last count. The Chicago Trump Tower International Hotel still has its name on it. The Tribune has called for the name to be jackhammered off. The top floors are still owned by RUSSIAN oligarchs. |
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03 Oct 23 - 07:19 AM (#4182933) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw This piece in today's Guardian reveals a ray of hope (without having to mention the colour of Trump's face and other irrelevancies that might cheer us up but which get us nowhere). Trump may think he's playing to the gallery of his supporters but the steadfastness and sanity of the various layers of the judiciary could be his ultimate undoing. Before you get to the end, if you didn't know already the author is an eminent American, not a know-all Brit. Robert Reich: There’s reason to feel a bit more secure about the strength of American democracy, notwithstanding Donald Trump’s escalating threats. For one thing, a large bipartisan coalition in both chambers of Congress has beat back the House Maga Republicans’ attempt to shut down the government. This was a major defeat for Trump, who had called a shutdown “the last chance to defund these political prosecutions against me and other patriots”. Americans should also feel encouraged by the tenacity of judges and prosecutors in holding Trump accountable, notwithstanding his threats. Ever since his first indictment, Trump has attacked with increasing ferocity the judges and prosecutors who have tried to hold him accountable – calling them “deranged”, “thugs”, “hacks”, “corrupt”, “biased”, “disgraceful”, “radical”, “unAmerican”, and worse. To their credit, judges and prosecutors have not wavered. They have set strict timetables for Trump’s criminal trials. They have refused Trump’s many motions and appeals. They have ruled against Trump in the civil lawsuits against him and meted out tough penalties. Last Tuesday, Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney general, found that Trump and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used to secure financing. As punishment, Engoron ordered that some of Trump’s business licenses be rescinded. Trump lashed out: “The widespread, radical attack against me, my family, and my supporters has now devolved to new, un-American depths, at the hands of a DERANGED New York State Judge, doing the bidding of a completely biased and corrupt ‘Prosecutor,’ Letitia James,” Trump wrote. As Trump’s attacks on judges and prosecutors have worsened, prosecutors and judges have responded forcefully. On Friday, the Colorado district judge Sarah B Wallace, overseeing the first significant lawsuit to bar Trump from the 2024 presidential ballot – on grounds that the 14th amendment explicitly bars from office anyone who has sworn an oath to uphold the constitution and has taken part in an insurrection – issued a protective order prohibiting parties in the case from making threatening or intimidating statements. Judge Wallace said the order was necessary to protect the safety of those involved – including herself and her staff. Meanwhile, Jack Smith, the special counsel overseeing the justice department’s prosecutions of Trump, has requested a gag order against Trump. Smith linked Trump’s ominous rhetoric to threats against prosecutors, judges and potential witnesses. “The defendant continues these attacks on individuals precisely because he knows that in doing so, he is able to roil the public and marshal and prompt his supporters,” Smith said in the court filing. One day after he posted “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING FOR YOU!” a woman called the chambers of the US district judge Tanya Chutkan, who has been assigned to the election fraud case against Trump, and said that if Trump is not reelected next year, “we are coming to kill you”. The woman was later charged with making the call. The top prosecutors on the four criminal cases against Trump – two brought by the justice department and one each in Georgia and New York – now require round-the-clock protection. Smith himself – whom Trump has described as “a thug” and “deranged” – has been a target of violent threats. His office is spending $8m to $10m on protective details for him, his family and senior staff members, according to officials. Since its agents carried out the court-authorized search of Mar-a-Lago in August 2022, the FBI has seen the number of threats against its personnel and facilities surge more than 300%. A Trump supporter wearing tactical gear and armed with an AR-15 tried to breach the FBI field office in Cincinnati. He failed, fled and later died in a shootout with law enforcement. Trump is escalating his threats and provocations. Even if one or two of his followers act on them, the result would be tragic. Merrick B Garland, the attorney general, recently told Congress that Trump’s demonization of judges and prosecutors threatened the rule of law. “Singling out individual career public servants who are just doing their jobs is dangerous – particularly at a time of increased threats to the safety of public servants and their families,” Garland said. Garland then added: “We will not be intimidated. We will do our jobs free from outside influence. And we will not back down from defending our democracy.” America owes a great debt of gratitude to the judges, prosecutors, grand jurors and prospective jurors who refuse to be intimidated by Trump’s threats, and who will not back down from defending our democracy. While the mainstream media continues to treat Trump as a politician rather than a peril, normalizing his dangerous threats, the nation’s judges and prosecutors are protecting the rule of law. They – along with Saturday’s bipartisan majority vote in Congress against Maga extremists – give some hope that the fever of Trumpism may be starting to break. [Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is a professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley] |
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03 Oct 23 - 07:19 AM (#4188834) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw This piece in today's Guardian reveals a ray of hope (without having to mention the colour of Trump's face and other irrelevancies that might cheer us up but which get us nowhere). Trump may think he's playing to the gallery of his supporters but the steadfastness and sanity of the various layers of the judiciary could be his ultimate undoing. Before you get to the end, if you didn't know already the author is an eminent American, not a know-all Brit. Robert Reich: There’s reason to feel a bit more secure about the strength of American democracy, notwithstanding Donald Trump’s escalating threats. For one thing, a large bipartisan coalition in both chambers of Congress has beat back the House Maga Republicans’ attempt to shut down the government. This was a major defeat for Trump, who had called a shutdown “the last chance to defund these political prosecutions against me and other patriots”. Americans should also feel encouraged by the tenacity of judges and prosecutors in holding Trump accountable, notwithstanding his threats. Ever since his first indictment, Trump has attacked with increasing ferocity the judges and prosecutors who have tried to hold him accountable – calling them “deranged”, “thugs”, “hacks”, “corrupt”, “biased”, “disgraceful”, “radical”, “unAmerican”, and worse. To their credit, judges and prosecutors have not wavered. They have set strict timetables for Trump’s criminal trials. They have refused Trump’s many motions and appeals. They have ruled against Trump in the civil lawsuits against him and meted out tough penalties. Last Tuesday, Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney general, found that Trump and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used to secure financing. As punishment, Engoron ordered that some of Trump’s business licenses be rescinded. Trump lashed out: “The widespread, radical attack against me, my family, and my supporters has now devolved to new, un-American depths, at the hands of a DERANGED New York State Judge, doing the bidding of a completely biased and corrupt ‘Prosecutor,’ Letitia James,” Trump wrote. As Trump’s attacks on judges and prosecutors have worsened, prosecutors and judges have responded forcefully. On Friday, the Colorado district judge Sarah B Wallace, overseeing the first significant lawsuit to bar Trump from the 2024 presidential ballot – on grounds that the 14th amendment explicitly bars from office anyone who has sworn an oath to uphold the constitution and has taken part in an insurrection – issued a protective order prohibiting parties in the case from making threatening or intimidating statements. Judge Wallace said the order was necessary to protect the safety of those involved – including herself and her staff. Meanwhile, Jack Smith, the special counsel overseeing the justice department’s prosecutions of Trump, has requested a gag order against Trump. Smith linked Trump’s ominous rhetoric to threats against prosecutors, judges and potential witnesses. “The defendant continues these attacks on individuals precisely because he knows that in doing so, he is able to roil the public and marshal and prompt his supporters,” Smith said in the court filing. One day after he posted “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING FOR YOU!” a woman called the chambers of the US district judge Tanya Chutkan, who has been assigned to the election fraud case against Trump, and said that if Trump is not reelected next year, “we are coming to kill you”. The woman was later charged with making the call. The top prosecutors on the four criminal cases against Trump – two brought by the justice department and one each in Georgia and New York – now require round-the-clock protection. Smith himself – whom Trump has described as “a thug” and “deranged” – has been a target of violent threats. His office is spending $8m to $10m on protective details for him, his family and senior staff members, according to officials. Since its agents carried out the court-authorized search of Mar-a-Lago in August 2022, the FBI has seen the number of threats against its personnel and facilities surge more than 300%. A Trump supporter wearing tactical gear and armed with an AR-15 tried to breach the FBI field office in Cincinnati. He failed, fled and later died in a shootout with law enforcement. Trump is escalating his threats and provocations. Even if one or two of his followers act on them, the result would be tragic. Merrick B Garland, the attorney general, recently told Congress that Trump’s demonization of judges and prosecutors threatened the rule of law. “Singling out individual career public servants who are just doing their jobs is dangerous – particularly at a time of increased threats to the safety of public servants and their families,” Garland said. Garland then added: “We will not be intimidated. We will do our jobs free from outside influence. And we will not back down from defending our democracy.” America owes a great debt of gratitude to the judges, prosecutors, grand jurors and prospective jurors who refuse to be intimidated by Trump’s threats, and who will not back down from defending our democracy. While the mainstream media continues to treat Trump as a politician rather than a peril, normalizing his dangerous threats, the nation’s judges and prosecutors are protecting the rule of law. They – along with Saturday’s bipartisan majority vote in Congress against Maga extremists – give some hope that the fever of Trumpism may be starting to break. [Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is a professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley] |
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03 Oct 23 - 07:55 AM (#4188661) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel P.T. Barnum had a valid point when he said "There is a sucker born every minute". Fortunately, there are good people born within the rest of that minute. The Trump base are the suckers and would join the firing squads to execute our; Generals, journalists, democrats, minorities, Judges, law enforcement officers, and even women and children, ALL by order of Commander and Chief President Trump. It has happened before as I have warned since I was 13. This time I believe we have the Institutional guard rails to save lives. |
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03 Oct 23 - 07:55 AM (#4182936) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel P.T. Barnum had a valid point when he said "There is a sucker born every minute". Fortunately, there are good people born within the rest of that minute. The Trump base are the suckers and would join the firing squads to execute our; Generals, journalists, democrats, minorities, Judges, law enforcement officers, and even women and children, ALL by order of Commander and Chief President Trump. It has happened before as I have warned since I was 13. This time I believe we have the Institutional guard rails to save lives. |
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03 Oct 23 - 10:07 AM (#4182947) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Robert Reich has played the role of Cassandra ever since Trump started running for the office. I follow him on several of the social media sites. His pithiest pieces appear on the Substack blog and as occasional editorials and the New York Times or the Washington Post. Trump's appointees to the Supreme Court aren't there just to take away women's rights, they're also there to enable more oligarchs to retain their wealth. One of the first cases of the session has to do with the funding of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau; the payday lenders (who end up charging massive interest on their loans) and other scammers want the bureau gone, so are trying a backdoor method to get there. If Trump loses all of his properties we should not be surprised to learn of Trump Payday Loans in the near future. |
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03 Oct 23 - 10:07 AM (#4188744) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Robert Reich has played the role of Cassandra ever since Trump started running for the office. I follow him on several of the social media sites. His pithiest pieces appear on the Substack blog and as occasional editorials and the New York Times or the Washington Post. Trump's appointees to the Supreme Court aren't there just to take away women's rights, they're also there to enable more oligarchs to retain their wealth. One of the first cases of the session has to do with the funding of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau; the payday lenders (who end up charging massive interest on their loans) and other scammers want the bureau gone, so are trying a backdoor method to get there. If Trump loses all of his properties we should not be surprised to learn of Trump Payday Loans in the near future. |
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03 Oct 23 - 10:15 AM (#4188774) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter The best Reich can say is "a bit more secure" and "some hope." Meanwhile Trump keeps rising in the polls. Literally. No politician in my lifetime could have gotten away even once with what he gets away with almost daily. Court findings have had no effect on either him or his 80,000,000 followers. |
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03 Oct 23 - 10:15 AM (#4182948) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter The best Reich can say is "a bit more secure" and "some hope." Meanwhile Trump keeps rising in the polls. Literally. No politician in my lifetime could have gotten away even once with what he gets away with almost daily. Court findings have had no effect on either him or his 80,000,000 followers. |
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03 Oct 23 - 10:55 AM (#4182953) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel At least Robert is part of the resistance. My family is part of the resistance in ways available to us outside of silly social media. We write handwritten postcards to Republicans in Georgia, Ohio and some other states prior to elections. The questions and hopes expressed are not strident but one of friendship and explanations of why we care. So far the number of cards sent are less than a thousand but we are not alone. We buy postcards from Amazon with themes from the universe to pictures we think might be saved. We will never know about actual results but even small efforts can have positive effects. |
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03 Oct 23 - 10:55 AM (#4188662) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel At least Robert is part of the resistance. My family is part of the resistance in ways available to us outside of silly social media. We write handwritten postcards to Republicans in Georgia, Ohio and some other states prior to elections. The questions and hopes expressed are not strident but one of friendship and explanations of why we care. So far the number of cards sent are less than a thousand but we are not alone. We buy postcards from Amazon with themes from the universe to pictures we think might be saved. We will never know about actual results but even small efforts can have positive effects. |
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03 Oct 23 - 11:31 AM (#4188775) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter I've written my GOP congressmen several times. Sometimes I get a polite response telling me gently I'm an idiot. Once I got quite a strident one (even more clearly a form letter) swearing that the inviolability of the Second Amendment was sacred ("I will not lift a finger to infringe upon the rights of my constituents.") Mostly I hear nothing. Why, when you have an overwhelming Trump base, waste a staff member's time on somebody who'll never vote for you anyway? We used to have a Republican senator who was pretty mild on Trump. In reply to an email, one of his staffers actually called us on the phone to discuss an issue briefly. We were impressed. (Of course it wouldn't have happened if his boss hadn't needed votes, but that's just built in.) Our conservative senator declined to run for re-election, because his weakness on Trump had turned his constituency dead against him. His successor doesn't have that problem. Keep those cards going. |
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03 Oct 23 - 11:31 AM (#4182957) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter I've written my GOP congressmen several times. Sometimes I get a polite response telling me gently I'm an idiot. Once I got quite a strident one (even more clearly a form letter) swearing that the inviolability of the Second Amendment was sacred ("I will not lift a finger to infringe upon the rights of my constituents.") Mostly I hear nothing. Why, when you have an overwhelming Trump base, waste a staff member's time on somebody who'll never vote for you anyway? We used to have a Republican senator who was pretty mild on Trump. In reply to an email, one of his staffers actually called us on the phone to discuss an issue briefly. We were impressed. (Of course it wouldn't have happened if his boss hadn't needed votes, but that's just built in.) Our conservative senator declined to run for re-election, because his weakness on Trump had turned his constituency dead against him. His successor doesn't have that problem. Keep those cards going. |
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03 Oct 23 - 11:41 AM (#4182960) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I also write postal mail and faxes and emails to my Congressional representative and US Senators. Again . . . Polls Are Meaningless That is all. |
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03 Oct 23 - 11:41 AM (#4188745) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I also write postal mail and faxes and emails to my Congressional representative and US Senators. Again . . . Polls Are Meaningless That is all. |
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03 Oct 23 - 12:11 PM (#4188776) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter It depends on the polls you're talking about. Polls saying that Trump's matches or beats Biden's right now doesn't prove that he'll win or even be nominated. But polls (like the 2020 election) that show his incredible popularity, which seems not be declining in spite of everything so far (adjudicated sexual abuse, adjudicated decades of fraud, admission of stealing nuclear secrets, a call for General Milley's execution) surely tell us something about the public that's far from "meaningless." |
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03 Oct 23 - 12:11 PM (#4182961) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter It depends on the polls you're talking about. Polls saying that Trump's matches or beats Biden's right now doesn't prove that he'll win or even be nominated. But polls (like the 2020 election) that show his incredible popularity, which seems not be declining in spite of everything so far (adjudicated sexual abuse, adjudicated decades of fraud, admission of stealing nuclear secrets, a call for General Milley's execution) surely tell us something about the public that's far from "meaningless." |
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03 Oct 23 - 12:14 PM (#4182962) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage What polls do is convince people who do pay attention to them, who aren't skeptical about the questions asked, who did the asking, or how they were phrased, that their vote can't possibly matter. They discourage people from voting. |
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03 Oct 23 - 12:14 PM (#4188746) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage What polls do is convince people who do pay attention to them, who aren't skeptical about the questions asked, who did the asking, or how they were phrased, that their vote can't possibly matter. They discourage people from voting. |
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03 Oct 23 - 12:54 PM (#4188777) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Or else that it's vital for them to vote. |
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03 Oct 23 - 12:54 PM (#4182965) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Or else that it's vital for them to vote. |
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03 Oct 23 - 01:43 PM (#4182970) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Too many polls are flawed by asking less-than-representative samples of people, samples that are too small and by asking leading questions, often by polls which seek a particular outcome. There are reputable pollsters who work on these things. Polls, whether you like it or not, are embedded in our democratic process. The UK forbids polling on the day of the election except for exit polls, which tend be be extremely accurate. If you want to ban polls (I'm sure you don't), we should also be banning tabloid newspapers and Fox/Sky News, which have the same baleful influences on the electorate that you list. |
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03 Oct 23 - 01:43 PM (#4188835) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Too many polls are flawed by asking less-than-representative samples of people, samples that are too small and by asking leading questions, often by polls which seek a particular outcome. There are reputable pollsters who work on these things. Polls, whether you like it or not, are embedded in our democratic process. The UK forbids polling on the day of the election except for exit polls, which tend be be extremely accurate. If you want to ban polls (I'm sure you don't), we should also be banning tabloid newspapers and Fox/Sky News, which have the same baleful influences on the electorate that you list. |
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03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM (#4188747) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage People need to understand that polls are biased and inaccurate. I have the feeling that more people understand that, but the results of elections are a sure-fire way to tell if that is the case. The House is debating whether McCarthy stays as Speaker or not. Another artificial crisis manufactured by Trump zealots. Meanwhile, Trump must figure that the attention of attending court is worth his time as far as donations coming in. He's in court for a second day when he doesn't have to be. I wonder if he's staying at the Tower or commuting in from the golf course? I think the tower will be forfeit if/when the trial concludes, since the summary judgement has already shown that fraud did happen. The details of that judgment are here: Judge rules Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers while building real estate empire |
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03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM (#4182976) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage People need to understand that polls are biased and inaccurate. I have the feeling that more people understand that, but the results of elections are a sure-fire way to tell if that is the case. The House is debating whether McCarthy stays as Speaker or not. Another artificial crisis manufactured by Trump zealots. Meanwhile, Trump must figure that the attention of attending court is worth his time as far as donations coming in. He's in court for a second day when he doesn't have to be. I wonder if he's staying at the Tower or commuting in from the golf course? I think the tower will be forfeit if/when the trial concludes, since the summary judgement has already shown that fraud did happen. The details of that judgment are here: Judge rules Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers while building real estate empire |
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03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM (#4182977) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter The polls I pay attention to are those cited by the major news outlets. They identify all those variables, including the question, the polling organization, and the margin of error. Professional pollsters take a stratified random sample of about 1,200 people. And, yes, that's enough to give a good ballpark estimate. The key is that the sample population be representative of the whole: random (everybody has an equal chance of being polled) and stratified (every subgroup of the population is covered). If properly conducted, the margin of error is about +/-3% 95% of the time. Consider that polling in 2016 indicated Clinton would probably be elected. In fact, she did win the popular vote, which is what most of the polls were measuring. As for the electoral vote, polling showed both candidates within the margin of error, i.e., the election could go either way. As it turned out, Trump won more than Clinton because of the geographical distribution of the votes. Possibly the biggest caveat about polls nowadays is that people are now more likely to give false answers because they think the polls are rigged by the Fake News and the Deep State. Another is that caller ID keeps many people from answering the phone. There are statistical methods that can minimize such bias in the sample. A well conducted poll isn't infallible, but it's far from meaningless. Even in 1948, when most polls had mistakenly predicted that Dewey would beat Truman, a swing of only about 1% in California, Ohio, and Illinois would have given him the victory in the electoral college. |
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03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM (#4188778) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter The polls I pay attention to are those cited by the major news outlets. They identify all those variables, including the question, the polling organization, and the margin of error. Professional pollsters take a stratified random sample of about 1,200 people. And, yes, that's enough to give a good ballpark estimate. The key is that the sample population be representative of the whole: random (everybody has an equal chance of being polled) and stratified (every subgroup of the population is covered). If properly conducted, the margin of error is about +/-3% 95% of the time. Consider that polling in 2016 indicated Clinton would probably be elected. In fact, she did win the popular vote, which is what most of the polls were measuring. As for the electoral vote, polling showed both candidates within the margin of error, i.e., the election could go either way. As it turned out, Trump won more than Clinton because of the geographical distribution of the votes. Possibly the biggest caveat about polls nowadays is that people are now more likely to give false answers because they think the polls are rigged by the Fake News and the Deep State. Another is that caller ID keeps many people from answering the phone. There are statistical methods that can minimize such bias in the sample. A well conducted poll isn't infallible, but it's far from meaningless. Even in 1948, when most polls had mistakenly predicted that Dewey would beat Truman, a swing of only about 1% in California, Ohio, and Illinois would have given him the victory in the electoral college. |
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03 Oct 23 - 04:10 PM (#4188663) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Day of election exit polls are revealing. https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/house/0 |
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03 Oct 23 - 04:10 PM (#4182986) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Day of election exit polls are revealing. https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/house/0 |
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03 Oct 23 - 04:28 PM (#4182988) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Thanks for the explanation, Lighter. In Oz, there have been occasions where the polling indicates a likely result and the opposite result occurs. In some cases I think that the polling helps some voters to think more clearly about their voting intentions, and possibly sways them into a different path than originally they intended. We are poised to find out one of those results in a week or so. I have my fingers and toes crossed that the current polling results are not the final outcome on that issue. |
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03 Oct 23 - 04:28 PM (#4188564) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Thanks for the explanation, Lighter. In Oz, there have been occasions where the polling indicates a likely result and the opposite result occurs. In some cases I think that the polling helps some voters to think more clearly about their voting intentions, and possibly sways them into a different path than originally they intended. We are poised to find out one of those results in a week or so. I have my fingers and toes crossed that the current polling results are not the final outcome on that issue. |
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03 Oct 23 - 04:46 PM (#4182992) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Speaker of the House McCarthy has been ousted 216 to 210. 1st time in our history. He was a toadie sycophant ousted by other Trump toady sycophants. |
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03 Oct 23 - 04:46 PM (#4188664) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Speaker of the House McCarthy has been ousted 216 to 210. 1st time in our history. He was a toadie sycophant ousted by other Trump toady sycophants. |
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03 Oct 23 - 04:56 PM (#4182994) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen I guess McCarthy thought that if he backed the Biden "impeachment" issue he might be safe-ish. Guessed wrong! I think he was in a lose-lose position, whichever decision he backed. BTW Donuel, I agree with what you said in your post 02 Oct 23 - 07:42 PM about the Electoral College and mandatory voting. As an outsider in a country with an electoral system which works fairly well most of the time, I view both of those parts of the U.S. electoral system with considerable disquiet. |
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03 Oct 23 - 04:56 PM (#4188565) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen I guess McCarthy thought that if he backed the Biden "impeachment" issue he might be safe-ish. Guessed wrong! I think he was in a lose-lose position, whichever decision he backed. BTW Donuel, I agree with what you said in your post 02 Oct 23 - 07:42 PM about the Electoral College and mandatory voting. As an outsider in a country with an electoral system which works fairly well most of the time, I view both of those parts of the U.S. electoral system with considerable disquiet. |
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03 Oct 23 - 04:58 PM (#4182995) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter I've heard Trump compared to Jesus by his apostles (Trump's apostles) several times. Now check out Trump's latest post: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shares-surreal-courtroom-sketch-094724195.html |
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03 Oct 23 - 04:58 PM (#4188779) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter I've heard Trump compared to Jesus by his apostles (Trump's apostles) several times. Now check out Trump's latest post: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shares-surreal-courtroom-sketch-094724195.html |
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03 Oct 23 - 05:36 PM (#4188665) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Wow Lighter, I wonder who taught who that no-surrender mug shot scowl. Today reminded me of a bloodless 'night of the long knives' when the Nazis ate their own. |
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03 Oct 23 - 05:36 PM (#4182996) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Wow Lighter, I wonder who taught who that no-surrender mug shot scowl. Today reminded me of a bloodless 'night of the long knives' when the Nazis ate their own. |
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03 Oct 23 - 06:09 PM (#4182999) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Good, measured post on polls, Lighter. As I said, polling is embedded in our democracies. Polls are just one factor in influencing the electorate. Right-wing mass media and lying politicians are probably far more influential. We can't silence any of 'em. That's democracy for you. |
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03 Oct 23 - 06:09 PM (#4188836) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Good, measured post on polls, Lighter. As I said, polling is embedded in our democracies. Polls are just one factor in influencing the electorate. Right-wing mass media and lying politicians are probably far more influential. We can't silence any of 'em. That's democracy for you. |
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03 Oct 23 - 06:36 PM (#4188666) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The Trump defense did not ask for a jury trial but the scattershot lies they are telling their base is that it is unfair they were not given a jury trial. The other lie is that a form got lost and they were denied a jury without said form. |
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03 Oct 23 - 06:36 PM (#4183003) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel The Trump defense did not ask for a jury trial but the scattershot lies they are telling their base is that it is unfair they were not given a jury trial. The other lie is that a form got lost and they were denied a jury without said form. |
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03 Oct 23 - 06:50 PM (#4183005) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump had a gag order dropped on him this afternoon after he put up a post that doxed the judge's clerk (put up her Instagram information and suggested she was involved with Senator Schumer, the senator from her state, where it isn't unreasonable to have your photo taken with your representative). The posts were removed from Truth Social. That thing Lighter shared is pretty damned surreal. A drawing of the sociopathic guy from Queens situated beside a European-featured representation of the christian nationalists' icon who by all rights (and common sense) is a swarthy-skinned Middle-Eastern man. There's a White House photo of when a bunch of those folks were in the Oval Office and stood around Trump, laying their hands on him. He apparently doesn't like to be touched (self-proclaimed germaphobe, according to various news sources). Though this handshake he offered is a good one: Melania handshake from Polish first lady |
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03 Oct 23 - 06:50 PM (#4188748) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump had a gag order dropped on him this afternoon after he put up a post that doxed the judge's clerk (put up her Instagram information and suggested she was involved with Senator Schumer, the senator from her state, where it isn't unreasonable to have your photo taken with your representative). The posts were removed from Truth Social. That thing Lighter shared is pretty damned surreal. A drawing of the sociopathic guy from Queens situated beside a European-featured representation of the christian nationalists' icon who by all rights (and common sense) is a swarthy-skinned Middle-Eastern man. There's a White House photo of when a bunch of those folks were in the Oval Office and stood around Trump, laying their hands on him. He apparently doesn't like to be touched (self-proclaimed germaphobe, according to various news sources). Though this handshake he offered is a good one: Melania handshake from Polish first lady |
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04 Oct 23 - 02:33 AM (#4183012) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen SRS, that handshake video was a scream. But would any blonde woman want to touch his hand? Not in a million years. |
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04 Oct 23 - 02:33 AM (#4188566) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen SRS, that handshake video was a scream. But would any blonde woman want to touch his hand? Not in a million years. |
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04 Oct 23 - 11:09 AM (#4183025) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage As a whole, the news today illustrates many ways that the GOP is crumbling. One commentator remarked that much of this started when they invited in the populist voice (and that would go back to the Tea Party). Gingrich brought incivility to the fore when he was in the House. Americans need to be exposed to high school Civics and Social Studies courses again. So many of them don't seem to have an idea of what the various political positions are supposed to be doing and why a responsible life of service, whatever your political viewpoint, is a desirable thing. Trump is in court for the third day. One suspects that this is about as long as he'll stick with these appearances, partly because so many eyes are averted from him, instead drawn to the drama at the Capitol, and because he'll be bored with the process in which he has no control. Breaking news - one of the worst of the worst, Jim Jordan, has announced he wants to be Speaker of the House. #3 in the presidential succession. No way. What a complete jerk.
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04 Oct 23 - 11:09 AM (#4188749) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage As a whole, the news today illustrates many ways that the GOP is crumbling. One commentator remarked that much of this started when they invited in the populist voice (and that would go back to the Tea Party). Gingrich brought incivility to the fore when he was in the House. Americans need to be exposed to high school Civics and Social Studies courses again. So many of them don't seem to have an idea of what the various political positions are supposed to be doing and why a responsible life of service, whatever your political viewpoint, is a desirable thing. Trump is in court for the third day. One suspects that this is about as long as he'll stick with these appearances, partly because so many eyes are averted from him, instead drawn to the drama at the Capitol, and because he'll be bored with the process in which he has no control. Breaking news - one of the worst of the worst, Jim Jordan, has announced he wants to be Speaker of the House. #3 in the presidential succession. No way. What a complete jerk.
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04 Oct 23 - 01:34 PM (#4188750) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage One of MSNBC's talking heads said of the GOP House with the removal of McCarthy and now needing a new leader: "It's like the dog caught the car." Now what. Well, GOP members who wanted McCarthy to be rescued by some votes from Democrats are moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. In Trump World, Donald Trump's Properties Will Likely Be Auctioned Off, Attorney Says. Donald Trump's properties will likely be liquidated and sold off at auction after a judge found he had committed fraud, New York's former assistant attorney general has said. |
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04 Oct 23 - 01:34 PM (#4183030) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage One of MSNBC's talking heads said of the GOP House with the removal of McCarthy and now needing a new leader: "It's like the dog caught the car." Now what. Well, GOP members who wanted McCarthy to be rescued by some votes from Democrats are moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. In Trump World, Donald Trump's Properties Will Likely Be Auctioned Off, Attorney Says. Donald Trump's properties will likely be liquidated and sold off at auction after a judge found he had committed fraud, New York's former assistant attorney general has said. |
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04 Oct 23 - 05:29 PM (#4183034) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Just seen this on the telly: Asked for his advice to the next House speaker, Biden laughed and said: “That’s above my pay grade.” Now that's what I call class... :-) |
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04 Oct 23 - 05:29 PM (#4188837) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Just seen this on the telly: Asked for his advice to the next House speaker, Biden laughed and said: “That’s above my pay grade.” Now that's what I call class... :-) |
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04 Oct 23 - 07:57 PM (#4188780) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter It's this bad: https://www.yahoo.com/news/clarion-call-arms-experts-why-094501341.html Sorry to say I know somebody like this. Highly educated too and otherwise a very decent human being. It defies easy understanding. |
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04 Oct 23 - 07:57 PM (#4183042) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter It's this bad: https://www.yahoo.com/news/clarion-call-arms-experts-why-094501341.html Sorry to say I know somebody like this. Highly educated too and otherwise a very decent human being. It defies easy understanding. |
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05 Oct 23 - 02:25 AM (#4183045) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome The point about cultism is very valid. We saw it here in the UK with Boris Johnson too. There are still people who believe he was just 'one of the lads'. Sadly Jeremy Corbyn was becoming a bit of a cult amongst left wingers too and, for all he is a decent human being with good policies, he was not a god. Compare how the press treated Johnson and Corbyn and you may see how to stamp out a cult following. |
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05 Oct 23 - 02:25 AM (#4188586) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome The point about cultism is very valid. We saw it here in the UK with Boris Johnson too. There are still people who believe he was just 'one of the lads'. Sadly Jeremy Corbyn was becoming a bit of a cult amongst left wingers too and, for all he is a decent human being with good policies, he was not a god. Compare how the press treated Johnson and Corbyn and you may see how to stamp out a cult following. |
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05 Oct 23 - 04:04 AM (#4188587) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome ...or deify/demonise a leader! |
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05 Oct 23 - 04:04 AM (#4183048) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome ...or deify/demonise a leader! |
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05 Oct 23 - 07:05 AM (#4183054) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Political speech is the most protected speech in America. So how will the limited/narrow gag orders play out? The inevitable defiance of narrow gag orders may end up in the Supreme Court. I do not think Judges are going to pull 'the contempt of court trigger' and jail Donald. Intimidating and defaming witnesses will be allowed or not on social media like Twitter, Truth Social or even Mudacat.. I suspect Trump's impunity and inciting speech will continue. When assassinations of Trump's targeting technique happen, he has not been indicted as an accomplice to murder. Is it an unintended consequence or a deliberate order to attempt murder? When the King asked... "Can someone rid me of this meddlesome priest?" Is it a question or an order? |
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05 Oct 23 - 07:05 AM (#4188671) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Political speech is the most protected speech in America. So how will the limited/narrow gag orders play out? The inevitable defiance of narrow gag orders may end up in the Supreme Court. I do not think Judges are going to pull 'the contempt of court trigger' and jail Donald. Intimidating and defaming witnesses will be allowed or not on social media like Twitter, Truth Social or even Mudacat.. I suspect Trump's impunity and inciting speech will continue. When assassinations of Trump's targeting technique happen, he has not been indicted as an accomplice to murder. Is it an unintended consequence or a deliberate order to attempt murder? When the King asked... "Can someone rid me of this meddlesome priest?" Is it a question or an order? |
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05 Oct 23 - 08:09 AM (#4183059) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter We'd best keep our facts straight. There have been a very few murder attempts by MAGA fanatics, but none was at Trump's suggestion. |
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05 Oct 23 - 08:09 AM (#4188781) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter We'd best keep our facts straight. There have been a very few murder attempts by MAGA fanatics, but none was at Trump's suggestion. |
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05 Oct 23 - 09:21 AM (#4188668) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Then you think they are unintended consequences? |
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05 Oct 23 - 09:21 AM (#4183062) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Then you think they are unintended consequences? |
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05 Oct 23 - 09:45 AM (#4183063) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I remind folks of the numerous mass shootings be it in a North Carolina church or Buffalo NY or Walmarts in Texas targeting Latin Americans - ALL by white supremacists. Those killed in the January 6th insurrection are more problematic yes, but one can not say the shootings by MAGA fanatics are few and far between. Those incidents are up 400% |
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05 Oct 23 - 09:45 AM (#4188669) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I remind folks of the numerous mass shootings be it in a North Carolina church or Buffalo NY or Walmarts in Texas targeting Latin Americans - ALL by white supremacists. Those killed in the January 6th insurrection are more problematic yes, but one can not say the shootings by MAGA fanatics are few and far between. Those incidents are up 400% |
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05 Oct 23 - 10:12 AM (#4188670) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/trump-call-violence-presidency "The blood of America is poisoned by illegal immigrants" is not saying that we should kill them does it? Trump has called for the execution of the joint chief of staff General Milley. |
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05 Oct 23 - 10:12 AM (#4183064) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/trump-call-violence-presidency "The blood of America is poisoned by illegal immigrants" is not saying that we should kill them does it? Trump has called for the execution of the joint chief of staff General Milley. |
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05 Oct 23 - 12:01 PM (#4183068) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump is using inciting language that his former attorney Michael Cohen calls "mob boss talk." It's the "meddlesome priest" that Don mentioned, I've heard that same line used by Neal Katyal and Andrew Weissmann to describe the way Trump indicates he wants things done. His rhetoric speaks volumes. |
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05 Oct 23 - 12:01 PM (#4188751) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Trump is using inciting language that his former attorney Michael Cohen calls "mob boss talk." It's the "meddlesome priest" that Don mentioned, I've heard that same line used by Neal Katyal and Andrew Weissmann to describe the way Trump indicates he wants things done. His rhetoric speaks volumes. |
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06 Oct 23 - 12:11 AM (#4188752) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage On MSNBC this evening one of the guest commentators described Trump's followers as the "MAGA jackal conference." BINGO. Nailed it. |
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06 Oct 23 - 12:11 AM (#4183095) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage On MSNBC this evening one of the guest commentators described Trump's followers as the "MAGA jackal conference." BINGO. Nailed it. |
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06 Oct 23 - 06:06 AM (#4183108) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump is eligible to be Speaker but so far he is pushing for Jim Jorden who is an insurrection insider. Trump allegedly shared nuclear sub info with an Australian businessman. |
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06 Oct 23 - 06:06 AM (#4188672) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump is eligible to be Speaker but so far he is pushing for Jim Jorden who is an insurrection insider. Trump allegedly shared nuclear sub info with an Australian businessman. |
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06 Oct 23 - 07:54 AM (#4183114) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Under a Republican Party rule adopted in 2005, Trump is not eligible to be speaker: "Rule 26—Temporary Step Aside of a Member of Leadership who is Indicted (a) A member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed." But let's see if they change the rule.... |
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06 Oct 23 - 07:54 AM (#4188782) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Under a Republican Party rule adopted in 2005, Trump is not eligible to be speaker: "Rule 26—Temporary Step Aside of a Member of Leadership who is Indicted (a) A member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed." But let's see if they change the rule.... |
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06 Oct 23 - 08:41 AM (#4183117) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: gillymor Trump as Speaker would be like pouring gasoline on an already blazing dumpster fire. |
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06 Oct 23 - 08:41 AM (#4188573) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: gillymor Trump as Speaker would be like pouring gasoline on an already blazing dumpster fire. |
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06 Oct 23 - 09:14 AM (#4188574) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: gillymor For the benefit of those that aren't familiar with the creep, he spells it "Jordan". |
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06 Oct 23 - 09:14 AM (#4183121) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: gillymor For the benefit of those that aren't familiar with the creep, he spells it "Jordan". |
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06 Oct 23 - 09:41 AM (#4183122) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Also in the event of deaths, the Speaker is third in line for the Presidency. |
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06 Oct 23 - 09:41 AM (#4188674) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Also in the event of deaths, the Speaker is third in line for the Presidency. |
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06 Oct 23 - 10:28 AM (#4183124) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Trump now says he wants Jordan. |
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06 Oct 23 - 10:28 AM (#4188783) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Trump now says he wants Jordan. |
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06 Oct 23 - 10:54 AM (#4188753) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Infighting is so unattractive, and as entertaining as it can be for a couple of days, it sets an even nastier tone for the rest of the term. Meanwhile, the current avatar of public petting doesn't want her buddy Matt kicked out for being a douche: Lauren Boebert said it would be 'childish, vengeful' for Republicans to remove Matt Gaetz after he led McCarthy's ousting. Politico sheds light on the Trump for speaker discussion: How Trump was talked into — and out of — a run for speaker Just hours after Kevin McCarthy was deposed as House speaker, the “draft Trump” movement began. Meanwhile, ever since Trump's petulant departure from the courtroom on Wednesday midday the trial has gone much smoother. And even though Trump is still trying for delays to postpone the inevitable, today some some of his executives testify. The biggest nugget to hit the news yesterday was the over-sharing that Trump did with the Australian rich guy, who then went and told ~80 people about US nuclear submarine strategy and how close they could get to Russia undetected. Putin is saving a lot of money on spys now that Trump has been in office and after. As noted, this is a separate crime that could be charged, but in terms of proving, more difficult since it is a he said/he said kind of testimony involved. |
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06 Oct 23 - 10:54 AM (#4183125) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Infighting is so unattractive, and as entertaining as it can be for a couple of days, it sets an even nastier tone for the rest of the term. Meanwhile, the current avatar of public petting doesn't want her buddy Matt kicked out for being a douche: Lauren Boebert said it would be 'childish, vengeful' for Republicans to remove Matt Gaetz after he led McCarthy's ousting. Politico sheds light on the Trump for speaker discussion: How Trump was talked into — and out of — a run for speaker Just hours after Kevin McCarthy was deposed as House speaker, the “draft Trump” movement began. Meanwhile, ever since Trump's petulant departure from the courtroom on Wednesday midday the trial has gone much smoother. And even though Trump is still trying for delays to postpone the inevitable, today some some of his executives testify. The biggest nugget to hit the news yesterday was the over-sharing that Trump did with the Australian rich guy, who then went and told ~80 people about US nuclear submarine strategy and how close they could get to Russia undetected. Putin is saving a lot of money on spys now that Trump has been in office and after. As noted, this is a separate crime that could be charged, but in terms of proving, more difficult since it is a he said/he said kind of testimony involved. |
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06 Oct 23 - 11:16 AM (#4183127) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter If enough first-hand witnesses say "He said," then he said. Glimmer of hope: Nothing Trump tells anyone can be believed. Whatever he revealed was probably garbled and exaggerated. But investigation is clearly needed. What else has he divulged? And to whom? And did he hand out any documents? |
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06 Oct 23 - 11:16 AM (#4188784) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter If enough first-hand witnesses say "He said," then he said. Glimmer of hope: Nothing Trump tells anyone can be believed. Whatever he revealed was probably garbled and exaggerated. But investigation is clearly needed. What else has he divulged? And to whom? And did he hand out any documents? |
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06 Oct 23 - 02:55 PM (#4183143) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Donald Trump accused of sharing nuclear submarine details with Australian billionaire Anthony Pratt "Former US president Donald Trump reportedly discussed "potentially sensitive" details of America's nuclear submarine program with an Australian billionaire. "The American ABC news outlet reported that Mr Trump told Anthony Pratt the supposed number of nuclear warheads on US subs, and how close they could get to a Russian submarine without being detected. "The conversation is said to have taken place at Mr Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, several months after he left office. "ABC — which is not affiliated with ABC in Australia — also reported that Mr Pratt allegedly then shared the information with at least 45 people, including journalists and employees, as well as 10 Australian officials and three former prime ministers." |
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06 Oct 23 - 02:55 PM (#4188567) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Donald Trump accused of sharing nuclear submarine details with Australian billionaire Anthony Pratt "Former US president Donald Trump reportedly discussed "potentially sensitive" details of America's nuclear submarine program with an Australian billionaire. "The American ABC news outlet reported that Mr Trump told Anthony Pratt the supposed number of nuclear warheads on US subs, and how close they could get to a Russian submarine without being detected. "The conversation is said to have taken place at Mr Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, several months after he left office. "ABC — which is not affiliated with ABC in Australia — also reported that Mr Pratt allegedly then shared the information with at least 45 people, including journalists and employees, as well as 10 Australian officials and three former prime ministers." |
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06 Oct 23 - 03:30 PM (#4183144) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter The Trump campaign doesn't deny it, just says he did nothing wrong (because of "context") and always insists on (wait for it)... "Truth and transparency." Yesterday Trump retweeted a post claiming that the judge in his fraud case was swigging gin from a bottle during the trial. |
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06 Oct 23 - 03:30 PM (#4188786) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter The Trump campaign doesn't deny it, just says he did nothing wrong (because of "context") and always insists on (wait for it)... "Truth and transparency." Yesterday Trump retweeted a post claiming that the judge in his fraud case was swigging gin from a bottle during the trial. |
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06 Oct 23 - 05:20 PM (#4188678) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel FOX News Gutfeld said on air that elections don't work and calls for civil war to crush their opponents. Why? Because the Republicans and the Supreme Court know they can not win elections. Civil War may now be the Thanksgiving conversation at dinner this year. The unrepentants are the clear minority. Those who love their family's safety outnumber the fear-crazed. People want their sports more than civil war. An Appellate Court temporarily halts dissolution of NY Trump business' Then again I did not think Trumpers would attack the Capitol. |
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06 Oct 23 - 05:20 PM (#4183150) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel FOX News Gutfeld said on air that elections don't work and calls for civil war to crush their opponents. Why? Because the Republicans and the Supreme Court know they can not win elections. Civil War may now be the Thanksgiving conversation at dinner this year. The unrepentants are the clear minority. Those who love their family's safety outnumber the fear-crazed. People want their sports more than civil war. An Appellate Court temporarily halts dissolution of NY Trump business' Then again I did not think Trumpers would attack the Capitol. |
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06 Oct 23 - 06:27 PM (#4188787) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter When I heard his promise that "It will be wild!" I bet my wife 2 to 1 that's exactly what they would do. Unfortunately I was correct. |
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06 Oct 23 - 06:27 PM (#4183157) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter When I heard his promise that "It will be wild!" I bet my wife 2 to 1 that's exactly what they would do. Unfortunately I was correct. |
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06 Oct 23 - 07:54 PM (#4183160) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel " When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy.” quote Abraham Lincoln |
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06 Oct 23 - 07:54 PM (#4188677) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel " When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy.” quote Abraham Lincoln |
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07 Oct 23 - 10:54 AM (#4183179) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The court itself was going to delay the dissolution of the Trump properties in anticipation of an appeal, so that isn't news for anyone. But Trump will spin it as a victory. I'm of the opinion that the only reason Melania is still married to Donald is because he's so busy going to lots of places away from wherever home is this time of year that he's not interfering in her part of the house. If he finally stops running for office, I'm betting she's out of there, though I wonder if she has managed to set aside any of those millions to live on later? Past Presidents have means to make an income, but I don't know if that applies to all past first ladies. Michelle Obama and Hillary certainly landed on both feet financially, but they have skills. Laura Bush was always the helpful spouse (though she did work as a librarian right out of college.) Jimmy and Rosalynn travel as a pair in everything and have enough, but Melania would never be content to live in a small house in a small town like Rosalynn Carter. |
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07 Oct 23 - 10:54 AM (#4188754) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The court itself was going to delay the dissolution of the Trump properties in anticipation of an appeal, so that isn't news for anyone. But Trump will spin it as a victory. I'm of the opinion that the only reason Melania is still married to Donald is because he's so busy going to lots of places away from wherever home is this time of year that he's not interfering in her part of the house. If he finally stops running for office, I'm betting she's out of there, though I wonder if she has managed to set aside any of those millions to live on later? Past Presidents have means to make an income, but I don't know if that applies to all past first ladies. Michelle Obama and Hillary certainly landed on both feet financially, but they have skills. Laura Bush was always the helpful spouse (though she did work as a librarian right out of college.) Jimmy and Rosalynn travel as a pair in everything and have enough, but Melania would never be content to live in a small house in a small town like Rosalynn Carter. |
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08 Oct 23 - 05:12 PM (#4188679) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Speaking of Trump familial accomplishments, Lara Trump released a song cover of 'I Won't Back Down'. The Paranormal Channel has video of Tom Petty spinning in his grave. added to the Trump Glossary; zilot - an idiot zealot, weapon-grade idiots - slang for Proud Boys, Idiocrasy - Republican version of Democracy. |
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08 Oct 23 - 05:12 PM (#4183251) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Speaking of Trump familial accomplishments, Lara Trump released a song cover of 'I Won't Back Down'. The Paranormal Channel has video of Tom Petty spinning in his grave. added to the Trump Glossary; zilot - an idiot zealot, weapon-grade idiots - slang for Proud Boys, Idiocrasy - Republican version of Democracy. |
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08 Oct 23 - 05:24 PM (#4183252) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter You don't get indicted for this stuff, but if you're running for president, probably you should: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shows-love-hannibal-lecter-042941582.html |
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08 Oct 23 - 05:24 PM (#4188788) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter You don't get indicted for this stuff, but if you're running for president, probably you should: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shows-love-hannibal-lecter-042941582.html |
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08 Oct 23 - 08:12 PM (#4188680) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Hannibal Lecter ate the brains of an FBI agent, something else Donald might like. |
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08 Oct 23 - 08:12 PM (#4183262) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Hannibal Lecter ate the brains of an FBI agent, something else Donald might like. |
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08 Oct 23 - 08:38 PM (#4183265) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Maybe Trump has a hidden cache of FBI brains at Mar A Lago. |
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08 Oct 23 - 08:38 PM (#4188568) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Maybe Trump has a hidden cache of FBI brains at Mar A Lago. |
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11 Oct 23 - 09:14 AM (#4183415) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I do worry that US white nationalists aka the American Taliban, becoming emboldened by the Hamas attacks. |
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11 Oct 23 - 09:14 AM (#4188681) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I do worry that US white nationalists aka the American Taliban, becoming emboldened by the Hamas attacks. |
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11 Oct 23 - 10:09 AM (#4188755) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I think you have that in reverse. The American Taliban ("Christian" Nationalists) have emboldened terrorists around the world. Trump did that. |
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11 Oct 23 - 10:09 AM (#4183420) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage I think you have that in reverse. The American Taliban ("Christian" Nationalists) have emboldened terrorists around the world. Trump did that. |
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12 Oct 23 - 12:17 AM (#4183487) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Judge in Trump's New York fraud trial explains why there's no jury Trump has complained that he didn't get a chance for a jury. The judge says no. Engoron is presiding over the bench trial of a $250 million lawsuit filed in 2022 by New York Attorney General Letitia James, in which she accused Trump, two of his sons, their company and other executives of years of widespread fraud. Engoron said that in paperwork certifying that the case was ready for trial, James' office checked a box suggesting it be a non-jury proceeding. |
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12 Oct 23 - 12:17 AM (#4188756) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Judge in Trump's New York fraud trial explains why there's no jury Trump has complained that he didn't get a chance for a jury. The judge says no. Engoron is presiding over the bench trial of a $250 million lawsuit filed in 2022 by New York Attorney General Letitia James, in which she accused Trump, two of his sons, their company and other executives of years of widespread fraud. Engoron said that in paperwork certifying that the case was ready for trial, James' office checked a box suggesting it be a non-jury proceeding. |
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12 Oct 23 - 12:22 AM (#4188757) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage He's also a total ass when it comes to maintaining a diplomatic and presidential demeanor regarding the atrocities in Israel: ‘Netanyahu let us down’: Trump chides Israel just days after attack Subhead: His meandering remarks were the most extensive since the deadly weekend attacks. Photo cutline: Donald Trump didn't use the word “Israel” until almost 20 minutes into his speech, after criticizing his 2024 GOP rivals and praising supporters. PALM BEACH, Fla. — He criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and called Hezbollah “very smart.” Both less than a week after the attack on Israel. |
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12 Oct 23 - 12:22 AM (#4183488) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage He's also a total ass when it comes to maintaining a diplomatic and presidential demeanor regarding the atrocities in Israel: ‘Netanyahu let us down’: Trump chides Israel just days after attack Subhead: His meandering remarks were the most extensive since the deadly weekend attacks. Photo cutline: Donald Trump didn't use the word “Israel” until almost 20 minutes into his speech, after criticizing his 2024 GOP rivals and praising supporters. PALM BEACH, Fla. — He criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and called Hezbollah “very smart.” Both less than a week after the attack on Israel. |
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12 Oct 23 - 07:39 AM (#4183502) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Sez Trump about his personal troubles: "I think most people get it" and "This is a terrible thing that is happening to our country." (That's even larger than a Royal We when he=our country) Trump demands ‘full apology’ from Forbes after dropping off wealthiest Americans list He just doesn't get it. |
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12 Oct 23 - 07:39 AM (#4188758) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Sez Trump about his personal troubles: "I think most people get it" and "This is a terrible thing that is happening to our country." (That's even larger than a Royal We when he=our country) Trump demands ‘full apology’ from Forbes after dropping off wealthiest Americans list He just doesn't get it. |
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13 Oct 23 - 10:08 AM (#4188683) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Better link for American Taliban |
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13 Oct 23 - 10:08 AM (#4183573) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Better link for American Taliban |
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13 Oct 23 - 04:45 PM (#4183603) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Justice is presumed to win the day regarding Trump but there are many who doubt it. Two outstanding films regarding Justice are on Netflix right now. Fictional justice is portrayed in Edger Allen Poe's 'Fall of the House of Usher'. viewer discretion advised Real Courtroom justice is in the film 'Burial'. |
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13 Oct 23 - 04:45 PM (#4188684) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Justice is presumed to win the day regarding Trump but there are many who doubt it. Two outstanding films regarding Justice are on Netflix right now. Fictional justice is portrayed in Edger Allen Poe's 'Fall of the House of Usher'. viewer discretion advised Real Courtroom justice is in the film 'Burial'. |
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15 Oct 23 - 01:37 PM (#4188759) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Liz Cheney has been cautioning about the state of the Democracy should Jim Jordan be elected Speaker. And I've seen chatter about people nominating Cheney herself - you don't need to be in the House to be Speaker (there's no rule that says you have to be, though I don't know if they've ever elected someone from outside before.) This has to be chapping Trump's hide. |
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15 Oct 23 - 01:37 PM (#4183719) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Liz Cheney has been cautioning about the state of the Democracy should Jim Jordan be elected Speaker. And I've seen chatter about people nominating Cheney herself - you don't need to be in the House to be Speaker (there's no rule that says you have to be, though I don't know if they've ever elected someone from outside before.) This has to be chapping Trump's hide. |
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15 Oct 23 - 02:34 PM (#4183727) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Stilly, a person like Trump will pretend to be 'hide to the bone'. They can never ever admit defeat even if they lose all their teeth |
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15 Oct 23 - 02:34 PM (#4188685) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Stilly, a person like Trump will pretend to be 'hide to the bone'. They can never ever admit defeat even if they lose all their teeth |
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16 Oct 23 - 11:42 AM (#4188760) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Another week, another Trump gag order under consideration. This time Judge Chutkan in Washington, D.C. Updates from the New York Times. The Guardian isn't behind a paywall. Trump has so much more wiggle room than any other other human being in the US because of candidate status and the mischief he can make about his political speech. But his gangland speech, that needs to stop. A federal judge is expected to consider on Monday whether to impose a limited gag order on Donald Trump in the criminal case over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, potentially restricting what he can say about potential trial witnesses and prosecutors. |
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16 Oct 23 - 11:42 AM (#4183792) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Another week, another Trump gag order under consideration. This time Judge Chutkan in Washington, D.C. Updates from the New York Times. The Guardian isn't behind a paywall. Trump has so much more wiggle room than any other other human being in the US because of candidate status and the mischief he can make about his political speech. But his gangland speech, that needs to stop. A federal judge is expected to consider on Monday whether to impose a limited gag order on Donald Trump in the criminal case over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, potentially restricting what he can say about potential trial witnesses and prosecutors. |
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17 Oct 23 - 07:56 AM (#4183834) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Donnie is complaining that he can not insult people involved in his trial anymore because of a recent unconstitutional gag order. |
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17 Oct 23 - 07:56 AM (#4188686) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Donnie is complaining that he can not insult people involved in his trial anymore because of a recent unconstitutional gag order. |
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17 Oct 23 - 05:48 PM (#4188687) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel When Jimmy Jordan says We are the Master Race seig heil seig heil right in his Jimmy face Not to love Donald Trump is a great disgrace So we heil heil right in der Donald's face When Herr Hannity says we own the world and space We heil heil right in Hannittys' face When Herr Scalise says we'll never leave this place We heil heil right in Herr Scalise's face Are we not the supermen White pure supermen Ja we are the supermen (super duper supermen) Is this Nazi land so good Would you leave it if you could Ja this Nazi land is good We would leave it if we could We bring the world to order Heil Donald's world to order Everyone of foreign race Will love der Donald's face When we bring to the world this order When der Donald says we is de master race |
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17 Oct 23 - 05:48 PM (#4183868) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel When Jimmy Jordan says We are the Master Race seig heil seig heil right in his Jimmy face Not to love Donald Trump is a great disgrace So we heil heil right in der Donald's face When Herr Hannity says we own the world and space We heil heil right in Hannittys' face When Herr Scalise says we'll never leave this place We heil heil right in Herr Scalise's face Are we not the supermen White pure supermen Ja we are the supermen (super duper supermen) Is this Nazi land so good Would you leave it if you could Ja this Nazi land is good We would leave it if we could We bring the world to order Heil Donald's world to order Everyone of foreign race Will love der Donald's face When we bring to the world this order When der Donald says we is de master race |
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18 Oct 23 - 03:36 AM (#4183891) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: gillymor You forgot the raspberries. |
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18 Oct 23 - 03:36 AM (#4188575) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: gillymor You forgot the raspberries. |
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18 Oct 23 - 10:39 AM (#4183910) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I do not know how to spell a Bronx cheer.#### |
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18 Oct 23 - 10:39 AM (#4188688) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel I do not know how to spell a Bronx cheer.#### |
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18 Oct 23 - 11:12 AM (#4188764) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: EBarnacle And now it's 5. Judge Chutkan also gets to preside over his voter suppression trial based on racist claims of fraudulent voting by non-whites. https://www.alternet.org/trump-black-voters-judge-chutkan/?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Oct.18.2023_1.05pm |
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18 Oct 23 - 11:12 AM (#4183916) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: EBarnacle And now it's 5. Judge Chutkan also gets to preside over his voter suppression trial based on racist claims of fraudulent voting by non-whites. https://www.alternet.org/trump-black-voters-judge-chutkan/?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Oct.18.2023_1.05pm |
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18 Oct 23 - 01:23 PM (#4183923) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel EBarnacle, Trump should make it an even 6 indictments. He was always talking about shooting that guy on 5th Avenue. |
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18 Oct 23 - 01:23 PM (#4188689) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel EBarnacle, Trump should make it an even 6 indictments. He was always talking about shooting that guy on 5th Avenue. |
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19 Oct 23 - 08:55 AM (#4188690) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Republican Congressmen opposed to Jim Jordan have reported credible death threats and other threats. Even their spouse and staff were subjected to his threats. Jim Jordan will try another vote to see if his intimidation will work but it has been getting worse for him each time he tries to grab the Speakership. This crack in MAGA insanity is good news for Democracy. |
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19 Oct 23 - 08:55 AM (#4183983) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Republican Congressmen opposed to Jim Jordan have reported credible death threats and other threats. Even their spouse and staff were subjected to his threats. Jim Jordan will try another vote to see if his intimidation will work but it has been getting worse for him each time he tries to grab the Speakership. This crack in MAGA insanity is good news for Democracy. |
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19 Oct 23 - 11:05 AM (#4183993) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Another one bites the dust. Sidney Powell Pleads Guilty in Georgia Trump Case Ms. Powell, a lawyer who pushed baseless theories about ballot fraud in 2020, is the second defendant to accept a plea deal in the election interference case. Sidney K. Powell, a member of Donald J. Trump’s legal team after he lost the 2020 election, pleaded guilty on Thursday morning to six misdemeanor counts instead of facing a criminal trial that was to begin next week. She was among 19 defendants, including Mr. Trump, who were indicted in August for their efforts to subvert the election results in Georgia. She got off light. |
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19 Oct 23 - 11:05 AM (#4188761) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Another one bites the dust. Sidney Powell Pleads Guilty in Georgia Trump Case Ms. Powell, a lawyer who pushed baseless theories about ballot fraud in 2020, is the second defendant to accept a plea deal in the election interference case. Sidney K. Powell, a member of Donald J. Trump’s legal team after he lost the 2020 election, pleaded guilty on Thursday morning to six misdemeanor counts instead of facing a criminal trial that was to begin next week. She was among 19 defendants, including Mr. Trump, who were indicted in August for their efforts to subvert the election results in Georgia. She got off light. |
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19 Oct 23 - 02:06 PM (#4184011) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Yes!!! And Sidney Powell "... has agreed to testify against any of the 17 remaining defendants. Ms. Powell has also agreed to turn over documents in her possession related to the case." Yes, yes, yes!!! :-D After watching her memorable performance, talking absolute rubbish, e.g. "release the Kraken" etc next to Rudy Giuliani at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference fiasco, I am very, very surprised that she has rolled over and surrendered. |
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19 Oct 23 - 02:06 PM (#4188569) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Yes!!! And Sidney Powell "... has agreed to testify against any of the 17 remaining defendants. Ms. Powell has also agreed to turn over documents in her possession related to the case." Yes, yes, yes!!! :-D After watching her memorable performance, talking absolute rubbish, e.g. "release the Kraken" etc next to Rudy Giuliani at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference fiasco, I am very, very surprised that she has rolled over and surrendered. |
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19 Oct 23 - 06:23 PM (#4184035) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel In a criminal's parlance, "she dropped a dime to not do time. |
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19 Oct 23 - 06:23 PM (#4188691) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel In a criminal's parlance, "she dropped a dime to not do time. |
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20 Oct 23 - 06:09 AM (#4188692) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Now there are 17 others who might flip. He who flips first gets the better deals. |
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20 Oct 23 - 06:09 AM (#4184078) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Now there are 17 others who might flip. He who flips first gets the better deals. |
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20 Oct 23 - 02:42 PM (#4184113) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Another one bites the dust: Trump co-defendant Kenneth Chesebro strikes plea deal with Georgia prosecutors As jury selection was beginning, Judge McAfee said a deal had been negotiated. The first trial to have been conducted in the Georgia case is now moot - Powell dropped out yesterday, Chesebro today, so the possible risk of all of the evidence against them being aired and the other defendant trials that come later being able to benefit from that is gone, at least for now. None of the other trials have dates yet. |
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20 Oct 23 - 02:42 PM (#4188762) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Another one bites the dust: Trump co-defendant Kenneth Chesebro strikes plea deal with Georgia prosecutors As jury selection was beginning, Judge McAfee said a deal had been negotiated. The first trial to have been conducted in the Georgia case is now moot - Powell dropped out yesterday, Chesebro today, so the possible risk of all of the evidence against them being aired and the other defendant trials that come later being able to benefit from that is gone, at least for now. None of the other trials have dates yet. |
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20 Oct 23 - 10:34 PM (#4184147) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen US Republicans revoke speaker bid of hardline conservative Jim Jordan after third failed vote "Hardline conservative Jim Jordan's quest to become speaker of the US House of Representatives has ended after fellow Republicans revoked their support following a third failed vote on the House floor." My take on this development is that, as the old Chinese proverb says, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step so every little positive change adds up in the larger scheme of things. |
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20 Oct 23 - 10:34 PM (#4188570) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen US Republicans revoke speaker bid of hardline conservative Jim Jordan after third failed vote "Hardline conservative Jim Jordan's quest to become speaker of the US House of Representatives has ended after fellow Republicans revoked their support following a third failed vote on the House floor." My take on this development is that, as the old Chinese proverb says, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step so every little positive change adds up in the larger scheme of things. |
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21 Oct 23 - 08:33 AM (#4184171) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel There was even a private committee vote that showed that 100 Republicans did not want the neo nazi Jordan as speaker. They are still in support of the bigger racist nazi Trump because they believe he has a winning base. I believe they are mistaken. |
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21 Oct 23 - 08:33 AM (#4188694) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel There was even a private committee vote that showed that 100 Republicans did not want the neo nazi Jordan as speaker. They are still in support of the bigger racist nazi Trump because they believe he has a winning base. I believe they are mistaken. |
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22 Oct 23 - 09:57 AM (#4191720) Subject: BS: Halloween '23 From: Donuel Orange jumpsuits and Trump masks are selling out in DC. Biden costumes are just old man-tyme outfits. |
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22 Oct 23 - 09:57 AM (#4184255) Subject: BS: Halloween '23 From: Donuel Orange jumpsuits and Trump masks are selling out in DC. Biden costumes are just old man-tyme outfits. |
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22 Oct 23 - 10:43 AM (#4184267) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel If you have ever baled hay you know what haywire means when applied to the Republican House. It is a wasteful horrid tangled mess that requires wire cutters and starting over. |
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22 Oct 23 - 10:43 AM (#4191719) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel If you have ever baled hay you know what haywire means when applied to the Republican House. It is a wasteful horrid tangled mess that requires wire cutters and starting over. |
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22 Oct 23 - 10:57 AM (#4191728) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage That secret vote tanked Jordan's hopes. If they were able to conduct a secret vote for the new speaker they could probably put Jeffries in place in one vote even if he is from the "other" party. Same with someone like Liz Cheney. |
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22 Oct 23 - 10:57 AM (#4184271) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage That secret vote tanked Jordan's hopes. If they were able to conduct a secret vote for the new speaker they could probably put Jeffries in place in one vote even if he is from the "other" party. Same with someone like Liz Cheney. |
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23 Oct 23 - 06:21 AM (#4184303) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel 9 more candidates have thrown their hat in the ring for Speaker. Only Emmet is best known. I fear the winner will only be an anonymous hat. I don't know if the rules will allow a hat to be elected.;*/ In 2 weeks... The US government shutdown and the Israel invasion will probably coincide. |
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23 Oct 23 - 06:21 AM (#4191721) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel 9 more candidates have thrown their hat in the ring for Speaker. Only Emmet is best known. I fear the winner will only be an anonymous hat. I don't know if the rules will allow a hat to be elected.;*/ In 2 weeks... The US government shutdown and the Israel invasion will probably coincide. |
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24 Oct 23 - 11:32 AM (#4191729) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Former Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis pleads guilty in Georgia case At an unscheduled hearing in Atlanta, Ellis pleaded guilty to one count of aiding and abetting false statements, a felony stemming from the election lies that Ellis and other Donald Trump lawyers peddled to Georgia lawmakers in December 2020. That's three lawyers and the bail bondsman so far, of the 19 originally charged. So far these folks are getting off really light with probation and fines. |
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24 Oct 23 - 11:32 AM (#4184398) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Former Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis pleads guilty in Georgia case At an unscheduled hearing in Atlanta, Ellis pleaded guilty to one count of aiding and abetting false statements, a felony stemming from the election lies that Ellis and other Donald Trump lawyers peddled to Georgia lawmakers in December 2020. That's three lawyers and the bail bondsman so far, of the 19 originally charged. So far these folks are getting off really light with probation and fines. |
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24 Oct 23 - 11:48 AM (#4184399) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome I noticed this the other day Trump Denies Sidney Powell Was Ever His Lawyer Surely that is a dangerous claim for him to make. As she was obviously on his legal team she would have been under a lawyer/clent confidentiality agreement. Now he has said she never was on his legal team, anything she heard in confidence is no longer under wraps. Or am I missing something? |
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24 Oct 23 - 11:48 AM (#4191718) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Dave the Gnome I noticed this the other day Trump Denies Sidney Powell Was Ever His Lawyer Surely that is a dangerous claim for him to make. As she was obviously on his legal team she would have been under a lawyer/clent confidentiality agreement. Now he has said she never was on his legal team, anything she heard in confidence is no longer under wraps. Or am I missing something? |
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24 Oct 23 - 11:50 AM (#4191730) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage His gag order says he can't say anything nasty about the co-conspirators or witnesses (and now she is both) so I guess the best he can do is deny her existence. |
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24 Oct 23 - 11:50 AM (#4184401) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage His gag order says he can't say anything nasty about the co-conspirators or witnesses (and now she is both) so I guess the best he can do is deny her existence. |
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24 Oct 23 - 12:29 PM (#4184406) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter I really think he's going senile. This is just a sample of his latest: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-us-spelling-genius-b2434774.html |
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24 Oct 23 - 12:29 PM (#4191736) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter I really think he's going senile. This is just a sample of his latest: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-us-spelling-genius-b2434774.html |
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24 Oct 23 - 10:54 PM (#4191731) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Cassidy Hutchinson was on the Ari Melber program on MSNBC this evening - he timed it because today another network broke a story that former Chief of Staff Meadows was granted immunity by Jack Smith in that Washington, D.C. trial. Hutchinson plays her cards pretty close to the vest, not sharing information that isn't already out there (from the hearings or her book - there is still information that will probably never be shared publicly for security reasons) but she generally thinks it is past time for Meadows to come clean and cooperate. |
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24 Oct 23 - 10:54 PM (#4184434) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage Cassidy Hutchinson was on the Ari Melber program on MSNBC this evening - he timed it because today another network broke a story that former Chief of Staff Meadows was granted immunity by Jack Smith in that Washington, D.C. trial. Hutchinson plays her cards pretty close to the vest, not sharing information that isn't already out there (from the hearings or her book - there is still information that will probably never be shared publicly for security reasons) but she generally thinks it is past time for Meadows to come clean and cooperate. |
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25 Oct 23 - 07:00 AM (#4184441) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Mark Meadows took an immunity deal from the prosecutors. A plea deal is different from immunity which can immediately put Mark in prison if he lies again. Those indicted and taking deals in Georgia are like dominos falling and should now testify against Trump. The made for TV Republican Congressmen are no longer characters in Game of Thrones but are behaving like Southpark kids. |
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25 Oct 23 - 07:00 AM (#4191722) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Mark Meadows took an immunity deal from the prosecutors. A plea deal is different from immunity which can immediately put Mark in prison if he lies again. Those indicted and taking deals in Georgia are like dominos falling and should now testify against Trump. The made for TV Republican Congressmen are no longer characters in Game of Thrones but are behaving like Southpark kids. |
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25 Oct 23 - 01:32 PM (#4191735) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: EBarnacle They're flippin' like hotcakes. The major issue will be to prove intent. |
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25 Oct 23 - 01:32 PM (#4184467) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: EBarnacle They're flippin' like hotcakes. The major issue will be to prove intent. |
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25 Oct 23 - 02:04 PM (#4184471) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Another gem this week: “I’m a very handsome person. So I guess a lot of you want to sit and look at me. It’s a beauty pageant. It’s amazing.” |
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25 Oct 23 - 02:04 PM (#4191737) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Lighter Another gem this week: “I’m a very handsome person. So I guess a lot of you want to sit and look at me. It’s a beauty pageant. It’s amazing.” |
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25 Oct 23 - 03:41 PM (#4191723) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump has hissy fit in court |
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25 Oct 23 - 03:41 PM (#4184482) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump has hissy fit in court |
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25 Oct 23 - 04:29 PM (#4184486) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The judge fined him another $10,000 for ignoring the gag order. And though under cross examination Trump's attorney was able to show that Cohen had lied twice in the Senate hearings (before he was charged and pleaded guilty, etc.) but as the commentators noted, under later examination Cohen "was able to square that circle" and testify why the earlier testimony was a lie. I think he was still on the Trump team at that time. It has been noted that this New York trial isn't the one that would include jail time (in the penalty), UNLESS it is jail time during the trial due to breaking the gag order. I'm guessing there is money bet on Trump's behavior and that outcome - more fines, or possibly jail. |
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25 Oct 23 - 04:29 PM (#4191732) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage The judge fined him another $10,000 for ignoring the gag order. And though under cross examination Trump's attorney was able to show that Cohen had lied twice in the Senate hearings (before he was charged and pleaded guilty, etc.) but as the commentators noted, under later examination Cohen "was able to square that circle" and testify why the earlier testimony was a lie. I think he was still on the Trump team at that time. It has been noted that this New York trial isn't the one that would include jail time (in the penalty), UNLESS it is jail time during the trial due to breaking the gag order. I'm guessing there is money bet on Trump's behavior and that outcome - more fines, or possibly jail. |
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25 Oct 23 - 04:39 PM (#4191724) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel After Trump stormed out of court, the judge has now called all the lawyers back into court including Donald. The judge is back in control of his courtroom but I have no idea what he is saying or doing right now. |
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25 Oct 23 - 04:39 PM (#4184488) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel After Trump stormed out of court, the judge has now called all the lawyers back into court including Donald. The judge is back in control of his courtroom but I have no idea what he is saying or doing right now. |
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25 Oct 23 - 05:28 PM (#4184500) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump approved and election denier Mr. Johnson became Speaker by one vote. Trump warned, "do not shut the door on my Johnson". Democrats call Johnson a Jim Jordan but with a sports coat. Meadows will testify as to Trump's intent/Mens Rea. |
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25 Oct 23 - 05:28 PM (#4191725) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump approved and election denier Mr. Johnson became Speaker by one vote. Trump warned, "do not shut the door on my Johnson". Democrats call Johnson a Jim Jordan but with a sports coat. Meadows will testify as to Trump's intent/Mens Rea. |
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25 Oct 23 - 05:31 PM (#4191738) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: keberoxu EBarnacle, I'm not surprised to read that. I made the interesting mistake of having the sound muted all the way off when recently surfing through television channels. And what to my wondering eyes should appear, but Donald Trump before a live audience somewhere. Silent, mind you. The audience was obviously giving sustained applause. And Trump stood there grinning like the Cheshire Cat and vibrating as though he were purring like one as well. An unforgettable image. And no, I didn't turn the sound on, in response. |
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25 Oct 23 - 05:31 PM (#4184502) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: keberoxu EBarnacle, I'm not surprised to read that. I made the interesting mistake of having the sound muted all the way off when recently surfing through television channels. And what to my wondering eyes should appear, but Donald Trump before a live audience somewhere. Silent, mind you. The audience was obviously giving sustained applause. And Trump stood there grinning like the Cheshire Cat and vibrating as though he were purring like one as well. An unforgettable image. And no, I didn't turn the sound on, in response. |
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26 Oct 23 - 06:18 PM (#4184589) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump is reliving a time in his prime when the Teflon Don won three straight lawsuits in a row in standing-room-only NYC courtrooms and streets full of cheering crowds. At night there were fireworks celebrations. It is not turning out that way for Trump as it did for John Gotti. The fourth indictment put John away for life. |
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26 Oct 23 - 06:18 PM (#4191727) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Trump is reliving a time in his prime when the Teflon Don won three straight lawsuits in a row in standing-room-only NYC courtrooms and streets full of cheering crowds. At night there were fireworks celebrations. It is not turning out that way for Trump as it did for John Gotti. The fourth indictment put John away for life. |
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27 Oct 23 - 12:14 AM (#4191733) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage According to CNN, Fani Willis has discussed plea deals with six more of the Trump co-defendants in Georgia. The strategy by District Attorney Fani Willis’ office is clear: get as many co-defendants as possible to flip on the former president, leaving Trump and perhaps a few close allies on the hot seat. . . .A source with knowledge of the Fulton County DA’s strategy tells CNN that it would be open to discussing plea deals with anyone, but there is little room for compromise when it comes to the charges against Trump. "The first to squeal gets the deal." |
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27 Oct 23 - 12:14 AM (#4184612) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage According to CNN, Fani Willis has discussed plea deals with six more of the Trump co-defendants in Georgia. The strategy by District Attorney Fani Willis’ office is clear: get as many co-defendants as possible to flip on the former president, leaving Trump and perhaps a few close allies on the hot seat. . . .A source with knowledge of the Fulton County DA’s strategy tells CNN that it would be open to discussing plea deals with anyone, but there is little room for compromise when it comes to the charges against Trump. "The first to squeal gets the deal." |
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27 Oct 23 - 11:36 PM (#4184668) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Donald Trump to testify in New York fraud trial, along with children Ivanka, Donald Jr and Eric Key points: * The lawsuit alleges Mr Trump overstated his wealth for years on financial statements * Mr Trump denies any wrongdoing and has called the trial a politically motivated sham * The case could strip Mr Trump of some corporate holdings and marquee properties such as Trump Tower And in the last part of the article there is an interesting analysis of why Ivanka's testimony is deemed relevant, even though "her lawyers may appeal to try to block her testimony". |
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27 Oct 23 - 11:36 PM (#4191714) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Helen Donald Trump to testify in New York fraud trial, along with children Ivanka, Donald Jr and Eric Key points: * The lawsuit alleges Mr Trump overstated his wealth for years on financial statements * Mr Trump denies any wrongdoing and has called the trial a politically motivated sham * The case could strip Mr Trump of some corporate holdings and marquee properties such as Trump Tower And in the last part of the article there is an interesting analysis of why Ivanka's testimony is deemed relevant, even though "her lawyers may appeal to try to block her testimony". |
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28 Oct 23 - 11:13 AM (#4184686) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Stilly River Sage All of these trials, so many moving parts. And the testimony from one can be used at the others. It was sounding like Ivanka had dodged that trial bullet. Meanwhile, the Trump imprimatur on Johnson in the House GOP followed three weeks of hearding cats for Patric McHenry of North Carolina. Rep. Patrick McHenry, fresh off a brutal three-week stint as caretaker speaker, revealed Thursday how exasperating the episode was and sounded less than confident about the House GOP’s ability to maintain its newfound unity: “We’ll see.” |
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28 Oct 23 - 12:06 PM (#4184691) Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel What to expect from the Trump kids: Eric will make an inadvertent stupid mistake in his testimony. Don Jr will manage to perjure himself and Ivanka will not help Dad any more than she did when she agreed with Bill Barr over her father. None of them will give damaging testimony as great as Sammy the Bull Gravano did against the Teflon Don. |
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30 Oct 23 - 02:19 PM (#4184804) Subject: RE: BS: 500 Error - Blocked threads? From: Helen I forgot to say that the photo of Ivanka in the article I mentioned looks like an AI generated image and not a photo of a real live human. Is she a real live human? I wonder! LOL |
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30 Oct 23 - 02:19 PM (#4191715) Subject: RE: BS: 500 Error - Blocked threads? From: Helen I forgot to say that the photo of Ivanka in the article I mentioned looks like an AI generated image and not a photo of a real live human. Is she a real live human? I wonder! LOL |
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30 Oct 23 - 04:09 PM (#4191717) Subject: RE: BS: 500 Error - Blocked threads? You can help From: Charmion Helen, I've always wondered that. I think Ivanka looks like something made of extruded plastic. |
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30 Oct 23 - 04:09 PM (#4184812) Subject: RE: BS: 500 Error - Blocked threads? You can help From: Charmion Helen, I've always wondered that. I think Ivanka looks like something made of extruded plastic. |
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30 Oct 23 - 08:02 PM (#4184829) Subject: RE: 500 Error - Blocked threads? You can help From: Helen Sorry, that was the comment about Ivanka that I've tried to post in the Trump thread. I didn't mean to start the discussion about her in this one. I posted it here my mistake. |
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30 Oct 23 - 08:02 PM (#4191716) Subject: RE: 500 Error - Blocked threads? You can help From: Helen Sorry, that was the comment about Ivanka that I've tried to post in the Trump thread. I didn't mean to start the discussion about her in this one. I posted it here my mistake. |
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01 Nov 23 - 03:33 PM (#4191734) Subject: RE: Tech: 500 Error - Blocked threads? You can help From: Stilly River Sage The Trump kids are having to testify this week. First up, Don, Jr. Donald Trump Jr. is testifying at the Trump fraud trial in New York. Here's what to know. The former president's eldest son began testifying shortly before 3 p.m. Wednesday afternoon after hours of testimony by expert witnesses earlier in the day. Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump and their father Donald Trump are also expected to be sworn in to testify under oath in the coming days. |
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01 Nov 23 - 03:33 PM (#4185020) Subject: RE: Tech: 500 Error - Blocked threads? You can help From: Stilly River Sage The Trump kids are having to testify this week. First up, Don, Jr. Donald Trump Jr. is testifying at the Trump fraud trial in New York. Here's what to know. The former president's eldest son began testifying shortly before 3 p.m. Wednesday afternoon after hours of testimony by expert witnesses earlier in the day. Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump and their father Donald Trump are also expected to be sworn in to testify under oath in the coming days. |