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Can't think of the type of song

30 Jan 23 - 10:35 PM (#4164015)
Subject: Can't think of the type of song
From: leeneia

When I was in Rome, I attended a delightful harp concert, and the harpist played a short composition which I have encountered before. The piece was identified by its form (similar to "Berceuse" or "Passepied.") I'd seen examples before, and the timing looks complicated - too scary for me. Lots of dots and ties. The name is foreign sounding - like tagliatelle or ricotta, but those aren't it.

As I listened, I had an insight. This is the sound in music of somebody talking Spanish!

I've done some searching but haven't found the name. Anybody have any suggestions?


31 Jan 23 - 05:17 AM (#4164027)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: Long Firm Freddie

Harp cadenza from Capriccio Espagnol, perhaps?

Capriccio

LFF


31 Jan 23 - 05:40 AM (#4164030)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: Jack Campin

Malagueña?


31 Jan 23 - 07:02 AM (#4164038)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: Rapparee

Tarantula?


31 Jan 23 - 07:39 AM (#4164039)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: gillymor

Have you tried to contact the venue to see if they have a program from the event.


31 Jan 23 - 01:22 PM (#4164047)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: Helen

What is the harpist's name? You could look for albums or online video lists for that performer.


31 Jan 23 - 03:03 PM (#4164054)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: leeneia

Rap, you've got the idea although of course the dance is called Tarantelle. Still, that's not the answer. :-)

Freddie, too, has the idea. I'm looking for a category, not an individual piece.

I don't even remember what year that was, but it's been quite a few.


31 Jan 23 - 03:31 PM (#4164057)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: Helen

The Sylvia Woods Harp Center has a lot of harp music books and CD's. If you browse some of those you might find the tune or a clue to its name.

Apart from anything else, I have bought a lot of the harp books from there over about three decades and had a lot of fun using them. (Usual disclaimers: no connection to the business, just a very happy customer.)


31 Jan 23 - 05:33 PM (#4164067)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: Stanron

There's a tune form called a Bergamasca or Bergomask

https://www.britannica.com/art/bergamasca

a lusty 16th century dance. Could that be it?


01 Feb 23 - 06:57 AM (#4164105)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: GUEST,RA

Saltarello?


01 Feb 23 - 11:43 AM (#4164133)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: Stanron

There's another called the Passacaglia

https://www.britannica.com/art/passacaglia-musical-form-and-dance

"it first appeared in 17th-century Spain"


01 Feb 23 - 12:47 PM (#4164140)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: leeneia

Thanks for the kindly suggestions, but it's none of those.

By the way, I downloaded a bergamasca to play with my friends. It's a fun form, in which the accompaniment plays the same four chords over and over. In the video, a guitarist just strummed them throughout. Our accompanists, being modern, stuck to the same chords but varied the manner of playing - strumming, picking, octaves, using different timings.

They said the name comes from the town of Bergamo, but I think it comes from Bergermeister. It sounds like Dutchmen dancing.
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The passacaglia represent musicians passing through the alleys of an ancient city, quietly playing their instruments at the end of the night. I heard a passacaglia played by the faculty of a workshop in Texas, and it was one of the most beautiful pieces of music I have ever heard.


01 Feb 23 - 05:01 PM (#4164168)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: Helen

leeneia, it's difficult to identify the type of tune you are referring to without hearing the tune or seeing the notation. If you could either record a version or create a MIDI file or ABC notation you could share it with us.


01 Feb 23 - 05:12 PM (#4164170)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: Manitas_at_home

Why would bergomask come from bergermeister? Encyclopedia Brittany's says it comes from the town of Bergamo. Is there evidence to suppose otherwise?


01 Feb 23 - 06:33 PM (#4164176)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: Reinhard

What is a bergermeister?


02 Feb 23 - 10:49 AM (#4164198)
Subject: RE: Can't think of the type of song
From: leeneia

"Burgomaster (alternatively spelled burgermeister, literally "master of the town, master of the borough, master of the fortress, master of the citizens") is the English form of various terms in or derived from Germanic languages for the chief magistrate or executive of a city or town. The name in English was derived from the Dutch burgemeester."

Reinhard, I made a foolish mistake. Got berg and burg mixed up.