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29 Oct 23 - 05:41 AM (#4186310) Subject: FASTNET MARITIME FOLK FESTIVAL JUNE 2024 From: GUEST,RJM The 11th Fastnet Maritime and Folk Festival will be held from the 14th – 16 June 2024, STAN HUGILL an illustrated talk by Chris Roche My Friend Stan Who was my friend Stan? I first met Stan Hugill in November of 1972 when he and his boys Martin and Philip sang at Teachers Folk in the New Kent Road a whole day later I started looking for his then out of print book Shanties from the seven seas along the way I found his other books and started to collect recordings of the sea shanty as he had sung it. Over the years I gained greater interest in mercantile maritime history and the sea shanty collected books recordings and took aboard such an interest that I went to sea myself in square rigged sailing ships. Stan Hugill: came from a seafaring family he went to sea at an early age a young man aged 16 he was wrecked on his first overseas voyage and while ashore in New Zealand found he had a knack with languages he had a degree in oriental languages Japanese and Mandarin sponsored by his shipping company Blue Funnel, he could draw and paint, talk for hours and was something of a hypnotic speaker. He hoboed across the Americas North and South and the Caribbean he had to suddenly leave one port when the bombs fell he was there at several key points in history wrecked in the last big square rigger the British had taken as a POW WWII. Writer of 5 books including the seminal works `Shanties from the Seven Seas` and `Sailor Town` while serving as Bosun at the Outward Bound School Aberdovey. He trained boys at Gordonstoun school and sailed in the big four Mast barque `Passat` rescued from a scrap yard, was discovered and revered by British, American, French and Poles alike for his skill with song, history, language, knowledge of the sea, he worked with National Geographic looking to find Francis Drakes lead coffin and sea grave. My friend Stan An illustrated talk and personal reminisce runs for one hour and a half in story, song, sound clips and slides; Contact: sailor@chrisroche.co.uk 020 8647 1396 |
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31 Oct 23 - 01:49 AM (#4186311) Subject: RE: Fastnet Maritime Folk Festival 2024 From: GUEST Music is one field where your caste and religion is not important. People accept you so long as you can move them. It is a medium that allows you to fly beyond your caste. Rajiv Menon |
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31 Oct 23 - 02:29 AM (#4186314) Subject: RE: Fastnet Maritime Folk Festival 2024 From: Gibb Sahib Since this thread is already bizarre... >>Music is one field where your caste and religion is not important. Strongly disagree. To perform music professionally in northern India, caste is of utmost significance. Musicians usually belong to the most marginalized minority groups, especially Dalits or former "outcastes." For documented centuries, "higher" caste people have avoided musical performance for fear of its stigma, to lose their status. By the same token, the musicians, of "lower" caste, have been viewed as polluting or at least with suspicion. Religion may be viewed as excluding of music. In orthodox Islam, "religion" and "music" (musiqah in Arabic) are mutually exclusive categories. This introduces various conundra in cross-cultural circumstances. One could argue that music, in fact, articulates (or supports the articulation of) social identities including caste and religious identities. That an Indian would say this quote is quite strange, if not oblivious. It's a really bland version of 19th century Western European epistemology, usually conceived in the context of "absolute" Classical music. |
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31 Oct 23 - 03:25 AM (#4186312) Subject: RE: Fastnet Maritime Folk Festival 2024 From: GUEST,RJM Gibb, you quote your experience of India. I quote my experience outside of India India has a caste system which is imo divisive. im0 division amongst the electorate allows the ruling elite to rule, divide and rule India population is equivalent to 17.76% of the total world population. |
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31 Oct 23 - 03:51 AM (#4186313) Subject: RE: Fastnet Maritime Folk Festival 2024 From: GUEST,RJM I am accepting your experience of India, but i am attemPting to put in proportion to the rest of the world |