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Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'

31 Oct 23 - 09:17 AM (#4186586)
Subject: Lyr Req: ANOTHER HEARTACHE (Any Trouble)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyrics please:

Brush your hair, shine your shoes
Get acquainted with the latest news
She isn't seeing him any more
He says she's a liar and she says he's a bore
The world over it's the same old way
Nothing ever changes from day to day
Same places, same mistakes

Chorus:
When the night-time comes (night-time comes)
Everybody runs (everybody runs)
To get all the action they can take
'Cause they can't wait to face another heartache

The girls are together, while the boys just stare
They act as if they just don't care
Same kind of thoughts are running through their minds
They wonder what kind of a lover they'll find
That certain feeling that you can't explain
When you realise you're wrong again
Red faces, just a mistake

Repeat chorus

Just take a bottle, the night is yours
Nobody looks behind closed doors
Bedroom ??? and bedroom light
For this lonely heart, there'll be nobody tonight

Hide ??? sweep the floor
You never got that close before
First impressions are the ones that last
It soon starts and it's over fast
How can you hide what's always there?
They see inside you with just one stare
Same places, same mistakes

Repeat chorus

Don't wanna face another heartache
I can't wait to face another heartache
Don't wanna face another heartache


31 Oct 23 - 09:19 AM (#4186582)
Subject: Lyr Req: BETTER (Any Trouble)
From: GUEST

Can anyone fill in the missing lyric please:

Tell me all the ways that I could be better
Better at loving you
Hey I'm just a man
Sometimes I forget the little things I oughta do
Got a heart full of soul and a head full of nonsense
I never know what's gonna win through
So tell me all the ways that I could be better
Better at loving you

When I whisper in your ear
Should I tell you sweet nothings
Or say what's really on my mind?
Should I always tell the truth?
Is a little white lie cruel to be kind?
It's not safe to assume that I'll always figure out
One and one oughta make two
Better tell me all the ways that I could be better
Better at loving you

The ways of the world
Have always been a mystery to me
It's a miracle
Just how I get from day to day
But here I am, here I'll stay
I call you on the phone, we make conversation
So much never gets said
We talk about work, we talk about the weather
We always take a ???
When I get home I can always find something
I really really really must do
Instead of trying all the ways I could be better
Better at loving you

Ah, the ways of the world
Have always been a mystery to me
It's a miracle
Just how I get from day to day
Here I am, here I'll stay
Tell me all the ways that I could be better
Better at loving you
Hey, I'm just a man
Sometimes I forget the little things I oughta do
Got a heart full of soul and a head full of nonsense
I never know what's gonna win through
So tell me all the ways that I could be better
Better at loving you
Better at loving, better at loving
Better at loving you


31 Oct 23 - 09:21 AM (#4186598)
Subject: Lyr Req: ELEVENTH HOUR (Any Trouble)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyric please:

Look what you have done
You've put a stop to these proceedings
You're the clever one
And God alone knows why I'm pleading

You don't react to blackmail
You laugh at my brute force
We started on the wrong foot
But now it's getting worse

Something must be done
I just can't hold out much longer
You have all the fun
And I just watch you getting stronger

Watch me 'round the clock
You wait for my embrace
We started with ???
But I'm the one that fades

So it's one or the other
A friend or a lover
And I would do anything at all to have that power
Oh, this love's not complicated
It's just overrated
And it keeps me waiting till the eleventh hour

Just give me one victory
I have this vision of you crawling on your knees
Waiting for me

So it's one or the other
A friend or a lover
And I would do anything at all to have that power
Oh, this love's not complicated
It's just overrated
And it keeps me waiting till the eleventh hour
And it keeps me waiting till the eleventh hour
And it keeps me waiting till the eleventh hour


31 Oct 23 - 09:22 AM (#4186597)
Subject: Lyr Req: LUCKY DAY (Any Trouble)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyrics please:

The one and only daughter of an ordinary man
Who's worked his fingers to the bone for years
You run the midnight ??? as only daughters can
Bring home the boys as silly souvenirs
In every happy household all human life is there
In black and blue for everyone to see
Each time you leave the house, the nextdoor neighbours stare
Step beyond the pale by daybreak

Oh, woh, woh, how you need a lucky day
When everything that you do seems to go your way
Although you never listen to a single word I say
Baby, this could be your lucky day

Your neighbour left out her water, her hair is out of place
The morning copper leaves you out of breath
By eight o'clock each evening, you're well out off your face
Your nasty habits scare you half to death
An unexpected visit from an agent of the law
Is guaranteed to set the street alight
You hide behind the sofa when he knocks upon your door
And wait until you think he's out of sight

Oh, woh, woh, how you need a lucky day
When everything that you do seems to go your way
Although you never listen to a single word I say
This time you must believe me, everything's at stake
Baby, this could be your lucky day

Oh, woh, woh, how you need a lucky day
When everything that you do seems to go your way
Although you never listen to a single word I say
This time you must believe me, everything's at stake
Baby, this could be your lucky day
This time you must believe me, everything's at stake
Baby, this could be your lucky day
Baby, this could be your lucky day
Baby, this could be your lucky day


31 Oct 23 - 09:23 AM (#4186596)
Subject: Lyr Req: TO BE A KING (Any Trouble)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyric please:

Well you think that you're the chosen one
The new found prince, a figure of fun
The hottest property underneath the sun
But someday things will change

When this year's fashion is last year's thing
And you take your place in the palace of swing
Where you count your money while you dance and sing

You don't have to wear a crown (have to wear a crown)
You don't have to wear a crown (have to wear a crown)
You don't have to wear a crown to be a king

Well you're a master of disguise
With a change of pace and bloodshot eyes
You would buy success at any price
Then laugh right in its face

Well you know all the pleasure that money brings
You wanna be there when the telephone rings
With the starring role in your final fling

Your big chance (your big chance)
Your big chance (your big chance)
This is your big chance to be a king

You think that you've got the right to state your case and call out your commands
With all your loyal subjects by your side
But time is running out and as it's slipping through your hands
You find yourself with nowhere to hide

With all you need just out of touch
And your belief is another crutch
To prop you up when you dare too much
Then lose all self-control

This ??? life swallows everything
While the man upstairs is tugging at your strings
You would pawn your brother for a pair of wings

And a place in heaven (place in heaven)
And a place in heaven (place in heaven)
Just a place in heaven for a king

You've only to say the word and someone crawls to meet all your demands
Everything you say is written down
But while you steal a thunder, somebody's burning up your lands
Suddenly the scene has turned around

Well I'm the one with most to lose
A dirty shirt and worn out shoes
Indecisions are nothing to choose
Still making up my mind

With an invitation to the palace's wing
Faster responses when the telephone rings
Well I'm standing here waiting in the wings

Learning my lines (learning my lines)
Learning my lines (learning my lines)
Learning all my lines to be a king

Your one big chance (one big chance)
You get one big chance (one big chance)
This is your big chance to be a king

And a place in heaven (place in heaven)
Place in heaven (place in heaven)
Just a place in heaven for a king

You don't have to wear a crown (have to wear a crown)
You don't have to wear a crown (have to wear a crown)
You don't have to wear a crown


31 Oct 23 - 09:26 AM (#4186595)
Subject: Lyr Req: TREMOLO (Any Trouble)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyric please:

I saw your picture in a magazine
Every young man's fancy, every old man's dream
Tremelo, oh oh tremelo

You look as pure as the driven snow
They're calling your name everywhere you go
Woh oh tremelo, oh oh tremelo

Fame and fortune suit you well
Look how fast they weave their spell
Hold the front page, stop the press
Tremelo in her new dress
Living on paper and celluloid
I liked ??? but you fill the void
Tremelo, oh oh tremelo
Oh tremelo, oh oh tremelo

It's all there in black and white
Tremelo, queen of the night
Bringing joy to reader's lives
But maybe not to reader's wives
I see your picture nearly every day
I miss you more than ever words can say
Tremelo, oh oh tremelo
Oh tremelo, oh oh tremelo
Oh tremelo, oh oh tremelo


31 Oct 23 - 09:33 AM (#4186594)
Subject: Lyr Req: BABY BE BAD TO ME (Expressos)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyrics please:

Sent a letter to my baby
Telling him we were through
Now every time I see him
He's walking in on something new

He tries to put the hurt on me
I just don't know what to do
I wanna set him free
Because he's making me blue

He said...baby be bad to me
Girl, won't you set me free?
Baby be bad to me
So I hurt you so

Well I remember when I met you
And you couldn't walk in your high heels
Said I was the lonely one
You said that I was your ideal

You took another ???
??? right in your eye
Because without your heels
You're only five feet high

You said...baby be bad to me
Girl, won't you set me free?
Baby be bad to me
So I hurt you so

Oh, I couldn't tell you what was on my mind
Every time I saw you, I laughed till I cried
One day boy, you know you went too far
You received my letter, and then ???

I had to write a letter
'Cause I couldn't see you face to face
I sent it to your mother's
'Cause I knew you'd never leave her place

I couldn't help your ego
I'm afraid that you are out of luck
I only needed days
Not a month, a year, your status hang up

Yeah, you were so hung up
That you were hanging down
But I don't get too much
I just don't need you around

You said...
Baby be bad to me (come on and show me)
Girl won't you set me free? (come on and set me free)
Baby be bad to me
So I hurt you so

You said...
Baby be bad to me (come on and show me)
Girl won't you set me free? (come on and set me free)
Baby be bad to me
So I hurt you so

You said...
Baby be bad to me (come on and show me)
Girl won't you set me free? (come on and set me free)
Baby be bad to me
So I hurt you so


31 Oct 23 - 09:34 AM (#4186593)
Subject: Lyr Req: KISS YOU ALL OVER (Expressos)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyrics please:

You're the only one who makes me feel alright
Betcha betcha betcha gonna get you tonight
Ain't no baby
Now I'm coming for you
Nothing gonna stop me getting close to you

Oh, you make me feel so good
That I would kiss you all over
Oh, that I could feel so high
That I would kiss you all over

Nothing seems to matter when you're feeling low
A character assassin and he's stolen your show
Take 'em on, take a line, throw it away
??? ??? you know where I'm gonna stay
Lay me down, turn around, I'm feeling okay
Now it's getting better
Yeah, I like it this way
Opening my eyes to what is happening here
Closing up my mind to all the pain and the fear

Oh, you make me feel so good
That I would kiss you all over
Oh, that I should feel so high
That I would kiss you all over

Oh, that I should feel so good
That I would kiss you all over
Oh, that I should feel so high
That I would kiss you all over
Mirror image so divine
That I would kiss you all over


31 Oct 23 - 09:36 AM (#4186592)
Subject: Lyr Req: MISSING YOU MELODY (Expressos)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyric (which is duplicated) please:

I sing a song for you
Hope the message makes it through to you
???

Encore comme ça
A missing you melody
It comes from the very heart of me today
???

Encore comme ça
Ooh baby, I miss you tonight
Much more than I can say
But oh no, no, no, baby
I cry each time we say goodbye
Soir mon amour

You take it nice and easy
A stroll on the Champs Elysee
???
Encore comme ça
Alone in this street cafe
Dream our lonely hours away
???
Ce soir mon amour


31 Oct 23 - 09:37 AM (#4186591)
Subject: expressos rehearsals in hollywood lyrics
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyrics please:
Pretty ladies dressed to kill on Sunset Boulevard, they still believe
Fancy faces show no traces of the fighting forces that they need
Oh, glamour queens ??? another ??? while they scream
Mothers that look younger than their mothers keep their image very clean

Rehearsals in Hollywood (x4)

Hunting for the hunter, looking under eyes and over what they see
Extra for the extras takes a lot of extra special company
Oh, reading like some bygone times will always bring back happy memories
Posing for the photos, taking pictures that you know he doesn't need

Rehearsals in Hollywood (rehearsals in Hollywood) (x3)
Rehearsals in Hollywood

Spoken section:
I could be like any of them
If I got my face right and my nails looking good
And I mean, I've worked for you guys before
And I wouldn't mind another job
Oh, I see
No vacancies
Oh, emm, well maybe I can ring you again?
No? Oh, well, maybe you should ring me next time

It gives me fever

Hunting for the hunter, looking under eyes and over what they see
Extra for the extras takes a lot of extra special company
Well, reading like some bygone times will always bring back happy memories
Posing for the photos, taking pictures that you know he doesn't need

Rehearsals in Hollywood (rehearsals in Hollywood) (x7)
Rehearsals in Hollywood


31 Oct 23 - 09:39 AM (#4186590)
Subject: Lyr Req: THE TRAP (Expressos)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyric (first few words as the song is fading in) please:

??? missing, you're missing the game that you play
Redundant, abundant, you find those who never got nothing to say
Random abandon, you're tanned and you think it'd soften your face
Only the lonely, the solely ridiculous thoughts in your head
To pass your time away

Something is calling you now
Missing a feeling, and how
Tension is breaking
Oh, if only the aching

A feeling, them feelings, revealing the thought and you daren't bring to light
Crowning the dangerous longing to come when you dreamers unite
But time is the line that you find but can't find anybody to try it
Shying and hiding and crying and lying that tears you inside
To pass your time away

Something is calling you now
You're missing a feeling, and how
The tension is breaking
Oh, if only the aching

It's up to you to make the changes
The thought that attracts, never seeing the danger
And now you're caught blind with a stranger

A feeling the trees and the breeze and the seasons are passing you by
Waiting for faith in your faith somebody keeps you for life
To pass your time away

You know that you can't break away
Security begs you to stay

Something is calling you now
You're missing the feeling somehow
The tension is breaking
Now, only the aching


31 Oct 23 - 09:40 AM (#4186589)
Subject: Lyr Req: THERE SHE GOES (Expressos)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyrics please:

Female fascination
High in excitations
These are the colours of the lady's reverie

When I look deeper
There's nothing more to see

Chorus:
Ah, ah, there she goes
There she goes
She's doing a favour for me

Female fascination
Fading liberation
Passé lingerie will never cover the things that you feel
Scenic beauty
??? only makes me feel

Repeat chorus

I think it's only fair that I mention
I'm well aware of your pretension
You really ought to be in some Hollywood movie rated 'B'

Well, there she goes
There she goes
She's doing a favour for me

I think it's only fair that I mention
I'm well aware of your pretension
You really ought to be in some Hollywood movie rated 'B'

Female fascination (female fascination) (x4)


31 Oct 23 - 09:41 AM (#4186588)
Subject: Lyr Req: THUMBS ON THE GROUND (Expressos)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyrics please:

Feet are on the ground
And I'm walking in a straight line
Hands are in my pockets
And my mind is in a shakedown

Ah, watch out
Thumbs on the ground
Cat's out, he's on the run
What you gonna do?

Ah, you wait and see
They're gonna come
Someone's gonna stop and notice me

What you gonna do?
I tried to walk a mile
Didn't want to hear the new speak
Hands are on my ears
But the message getting through to me

Ah, watch out
Thumbs on the ground
Cat's out, he's on the run
What you gonna do?

Oh, it's all too late
Money's a fake
Someone had to stop and run from me
Oh, it won't be long
You wait and see
Someone's gonna stop and notice me

Oh, best ??? end up ??? me here
I'm moving back home 'cause I wanna be the real me

Ah, watch out
Thumbs on the ground
Cat's out, he's on the run
What you gonna do?

What you gonna do?
What you gonna be?
What you gonna do?
What you gonna do?
Hey, hey, hey, hey


31 Oct 23 - 09:42 AM (#4186587)
Subject: Lyr Req: PROMISES AND TIES (Expressos)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyrics please:

Sit down and relax, now you've got the time
??? be here tomorrow
But peace didn't show
And once again, they let me down

Chorus:
Yesterday's promises and ties
Turn out to be today's lies

We ??? no, we don't wanna die
And we marched a thousand miles
Divided their time, sat down and relaxed
Now they're flying 'round outside

Repeat chorus

It really gets me going wild
'Cos we didn't want it in our lives
You made me angry with your lies
This world is a disguise

I picked myself up and started ???
Things were looking better for me
I could see that it wasn't wasted time
Never again, we have been told
And we're starting to look 'round
We'll win in the end, well just you wait and see
'Cos you've lost the final round

Yesterday's promises and ties
Yesterday's promises and ties (yesterday's promises and ties)
Yesterday's promises and ties (yesterday's promises and ties)
Yesterday's promises and ties
Were today's lies

Oh, I don't wanna touch somebody else where bodies climb
And we can hunt down underground
I'd rather stay, feel like they...
Let the ??? ring
Let the rich man stay

Yesterday's promises and ties (to fade)


31 Oct 23 - 10:07 AM (#4186585)
Subject: Lyr Req: I THINK I'M FALLING IN LOVE (C Gregson)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyric please:

And all of a sudden, ten to the dozen
You're ringing my bell, pushing my buttons
You're one in a million, ???
I think I'm falling in love

I'm tired of mixed emotions and longing for devotion
My toe's in the water, I'm ready for the ocean
What's it gonna take to set the wheels in motion?
I think I'm falling in love

True love is the one thing you won't find in any store
You might as well face it, love's what we're living for

But enough of this chatter, it really doesn't matter
If my head's in the clouds, or served up on a platter
All that really counts is when my heart pitter-patters
I think I'm falling in love

True love is the one thing you won't find in any store
You might as well face it, love's what we're living for

So won't you come over, let me be your lover
Won't be love at first sight, but you might discover
You can't judge a book by looking at the cover
While we're falling in love
No, you can't judge a book by looking at the cover
I think I'm falling in love
I think I'm falling in love
I think I'm falling in love
I think I'm falling in love


31 Oct 23 - 10:12 AM (#4186584)
Subject: Lyr Req: COMING OF AGE (Any Trouble)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the missing lyrics (there's quite a few!):

I can taste the poison on your lips
And see the stain on your fingertips
In a moment where ???
And gave the game away

???
Teenage threats ring in your ears
From the last day of school to your first week's wage
That's when you see me coming of age

You're a dancehall sweetheart dressed in blue
Who could fail to notice you?
You take the floor, kick off your shoes
And dance the night away

Kerbside crawlers give you rides
You're everyone's lover and no one's prize
A friend or a whore, it's hard to gauge
That's when you see me coming of age

Your face is known all over town
Your reputation lets you down
??? smiles, nothing too ???
They turn their heads away

??? rumours cramp your style
??? rank and file
Lights go down, you leave the stage
That's when you see me coming of age

Your dancing days are over now
The steps you take seem to last for hours
Though you may never scrape or bow
Or pass the time of day

Your ideal man's no ???
??? promise, quite a view
A girl to a woman in a single page
That's when you see me coming of age

Your last chance has passed you by
You're no one's lover, no one's prize
You're one poor bird ??? the cage
That's when you see me coming of age

That's when you see me
That's when you see
That's when you see me coming of age


31 Oct 23 - 10:16 AM (#4186583)
Subject: Lyr Req: OLD BEFORE YOUR TIME (Any Troublle)
From: GUEST,Moi

Can anyone fill in the many missing lyrics please:

Feel the pressure on your shoulders
Remember what the teacher told us
These times can't last forever
One day the spell must break
??? never never just take and take and take and take and take

You're old before your time
With all the warning signs
Oh, the light of love no longer shines in your eyes
You must be going blind
It seems the perfect crime
Just because you're old before your time

Once a week, ??? twice ???
With ??? and nothing in it
???
??? is always late
??? never wait and wait and wait and wait and wait

You're old before your time
With all the warning signs
For the light of love no longer shines in your eyes
You must be going blind
It seems the perfect crime
And just because you're old before your time

Do you ever run without the pack?
Never give the money back
Always swear that light is black
Who cares anyway?
??? one day the axe must fall
Your stake will compromise you
You'll fall and fall and fall and fall and fall

You're old before your time
With all the warning signs
Oh, the light of love no longer shines in your eyes
You must be going blind
It seems the perfect crime
Just because you're old before your time

The light above no longer shines
Just because you're old before your time
The light above no longer shines
Just because you're old before your time


31 Oct 23 - 11:58 AM (#4186606)
Subject: RE: any trouble another heartache lyrics
From: Stilly River Sage

moi, you've just posted well over a dozen discrete requests for lyrics or lyric cleanup. Most from a couple of groups.

Would you like to tell us who you are and what you're working on? And with as much participation as we're seeing requested, I'd suggest you go ahead and join Mudcat. That gives you access to the personal message system so people can contact you with questions or answers that might need discussion before sharing in the forum.

Send a note to Joe@mudcat.org and answer a few questions and he'll get you set up. He has been on a road trip for several weeks so it might not be an immediate response, but there are benefits to membership.


01 Nov 23 - 08:28 AM (#4186607)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: Steve Shaw

I'm forever bringing up lyrics of songs on my phone for our singalongs at Bude Memory Café, but I can only do it if I know the song's title, or close to it, which is what we have not got in these cases. I suppose it depends on the songs not being too obscure. I just google *(title) lyrics*. This probably doesn't help, I know.


01 Nov 23 - 08:52 AM (#4186610)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: keberoxu

It would help if the poster identified the singers/bands of each song.


01 Nov 23 - 09:02 AM (#4186612)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: DaveRo

Any Trouble are a band. Clive Gregson is a Singer. The Expressos?

I've googled a few distinctive phrases (in double quotes + 'lyrics') and can't find them. But many are available on YT, Spotify, etc. It looks like somebody, probably not a native English speaker, is trying to document the lyrics.

Which would be fine if it were a traditional song.


01 Nov 23 - 09:43 AM (#4186609)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: cnd

The song names and artists are all in the subjects of the message. When they were all individual posts, it was a bit more clearly delineated.

I started on the first song, "Another Heartache" by Any Trouble, from their 1981 album Wheels in Motion (click). The first set of question marks is "bedroom eyes," not sure about the second.


01 Nov 23 - 09:45 AM (#4186600)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: GUEST,Modette

More on Expressos


01 Nov 23 - 01:15 PM (#4186608)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: Steve Shaw

Sorry - wasn't reading right! :-(


02 Nov 23 - 12:52 AM (#4186602)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: Joe Offer

The requestor's method of requesting lyrics is actually quite admirable. They give the lyrics they know, the title of the song, and the performer. But we can't really handle 17 requests for pop song lyrics all in the same day, so I consolidated the requests.
Please do what you can to answer these requests, even if they aren't folk songs. I didn't have time to clarify the formatting so the requests are more understandable, but I'll get that done in the next few days.
-Joe-


02 Nov 23 - 01:58 AM (#4186603)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: Helen

There are some Any Trouble videos on this page.

Any Trouble - Spotify with various albums listed.

An example of an Any Trouble - song list, and none of the songs requested here are listed.

It would help to know the name of the album(s) the songs are on, to narrow down the search.


02 Nov 23 - 04:51 AM (#4186601)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: GUEST,Ray

Not sure if it’s been recognised but Clive Gregson is the main force behind and wrote most (all?)of the songs for Any Trouble.


02 Nov 23 - 05:22 AM (#4186613)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: DaveRo

I have several of his LPs with Christine Collister. 'Home and Away' is a particular favourite - some great songs. (And a dog.)

https://mainlynorfolk.info/folk/records/clivegregson.html


02 Nov 23 - 08:22 AM (#4186605)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: Long Firm Freddie

"Better"

Missing words: "We always take our love as read"

LFF


03 Nov 23 - 04:06 PM (#4186604)
Subject: RE: Various pop song lyrics - requests from 'moi'
From: Helen

I wonder why Guests come and start threads with requests for information and then never come back again. Kind, helpful Mudcatters try to help and then it seems to just die on the vine. :-(