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06 Nov 24 - 02:40 AM (#4211073) Subject: BS: Let's talk about the election From: Neil D WHAT. JUST. HAPPENED? How could you America? How could you make this sociopathic megalomaniac the most powerful man on earth? Do you no longer love democracy, fairness, civility, humanity? For the world will barely be recognizable in four years. An independent Ukraine will no longer exist. Europe may try to keep her afloat without us but when Trump and his Republican allies (they will win both houses of the legislative and with a 6-3 Supreme Court, they will have a complete hammerlock on our government) not only abandon Ukraine but betray her to the true ruler of America, Vladimir Putin, there is little hope for Ukrainians. When Xi Jinping sees that he will be salivating over conquest of Taiwan, with the US standing back to watch it happen. If you think Gaza is a disaster now, it will get worse. Trump has already stated that he will give Netanyahu whatever he needs to accomplish his goals in Gaza. Bebe's goal for Gaza is complete de-palestination. When we withdraw from all environmental protocols at the behest of the major corporate polluters the rest of the world will have no choice but to follow suit. We were already at the tipping point on climate change. Iould go on but I'm worn out by what I just witnessed. I feel like I've been hit by a truck. I am confused. sick to heart and terrified. And I've never been more ashamed to be an American. |
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06 Nov 24 - 02:56 AM (#4211075) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: The Sandman Much as I find Trump a crass personality, is a mistake to judge or pre judge a governments policies,before they have even taken office What happens next is speculation. At the present moment in time, Germany is occupied by USA army, the idea that Russia is going to invade Germany whilst the USA ARMY is in occupation is very unlikely, whoever wins the election. |
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06 Nov 24 - 03:00 AM (#4211076) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: SPB-Cooperator If US has ever been worthy of any respect, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, they have just flushed it into the cesspit. Well, if they want a racist, misogynist, criminal as a leader it proves that Americans have not evolved enough to call themselves part of humanity. Lets hope the rest of the world turns its back upon the cesspit and leaves it to rot over the next four years. |
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06 Nov 24 - 03:07 AM (#4211077) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: SPB-Cooperator US has two months to get trump behind bars for four years before it has a chance to take office. |
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06 Nov 24 - 03:10 AM (#4211078) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: The Sandman SPB racism etc has occurred before in the USA remember McCarthy |
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06 Nov 24 - 03:17 AM (#4211079) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: SPB-Cooperator Look at some of Trumps promises - mass deportations, revenge, retribution. I suppose back street abortionists will be rubbing their hands with glee. Netanyahu, Orban and their ilk have already expressed their delight, I wonder why? |
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06 Nov 24 - 03:21 AM (#4211080) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: The Sandman on the other hand if he puts taxes on British goods, it may put pressure on Starmer to negotiate with th EU or even rejoin eu or negotiate trade deals |
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06 Nov 24 - 04:22 AM (#4211082) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: SPB-Cooperator The political and economic shock will make the UK economic and social recovery after 14 years of tory misrule and corruption that much harder, no doubt Badenoch is over the moon as this will be something that the tories will no doubt blame Labour for. |
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06 Nov 24 - 04:23 AM (#4211083) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: robomatic There's this debate recently on Youtube going over the arguments for and against Harris and Trump. Conducted by intelligent articulate and relatively peaceful people. There is a lot there. Too bad the original Pres thread has been shut down. Reminds me of what happened to the Washington Post recently when the powers that be decided that endorsement was going too far. Anyhow, this mini-thread can be appended to the original if desired. |
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06 Nov 24 - 04:32 AM (#4211084) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: Dave the Gnome I linked to an article in The Economist on the original thread which endorsed Harris but gave what was, to my mind, a fair synopsis of the good and bad points for both candidates. It was poo-pooed but a reread of it gives me hope that not all is lost. It will be difficult to keep the mad dog on a leash for 4 years but, unlike our own Brexit madness, this will be reversed at the next election. |
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06 Nov 24 - 04:38 AM (#4211086) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: skarpi America voted an Immigrant family to the White House. An old man 78 years old who is going end up like Biden unless someone take him out like they did with Presedent Biden. Looking from oustside well then I Say this, be careful what you wish for USA no one is what he seems to be. This is a sad day for Plannet Earth. Have good day All the best. |
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06 Nov 24 - 04:53 AM (#4211087) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: SPB-Cooperator Well said, Skarpi |
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06 Nov 24 - 04:56 AM (#4211088) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: Dave the Gnome We can hope that he now loses interest and goes off to play golf, leaving the grown ups to run the country. |
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06 Nov 24 - 05:11 AM (#4211090) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: Thompson Project 2025 is the plan written by a group of conservatives including (I read)former advisors of Trump; he has disclaimed it… |
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06 Nov 24 - 05:30 AM (#4211094) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: Neil D Just because he disavowed Project 2025 while running because of how popular it was doesn't mean he won't embrace it as president. Remember how every single Supreme Court justice stated under oath during the vetting process that they considered Roe vs Wade settled law and had no intention to overturn it. Then the first chance they got they overturned it because they are liars. |
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06 Nov 24 - 06:11 AM (#4211097) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: MaJoC the Filk Message from Herself: I write poems which I often recite on the monday mudcat sing around and sometimes I get Martin to post them on the poetry thread. I had an idea for one which I call Riding the Night Mare about the possibility, now reality of a second trump presidency. However I am already starting to self censor and will now only feel safe to share it with trusted friends. This may be an over reaction but I am afraid and I'm not even an American. |
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06 Nov 24 - 06:11 AM (#4211098) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: Georgiansilver In my honest opinion....likely to be as successful as he was in building 'The Wall' |
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06 Nov 24 - 06:22 AM (#4211099) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: MaJoC the Filk > unlike our own Brexit madness, this will be reversed > at the next election .... assuming he doesn't follow through on his "one last time" statement and have himself declared emperor for life. --- *Wailie*: now *I*'m self-censoring. |
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06 Nov 24 - 06:45 AM (#4211100) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: Stilly River Sage I'm up early, you say? How about I never got to sleep. Every rational person in the United States is horrified. In the next two months Biden has to pack the Supreme Court with at least two more justices. We know it can be done quickly, look at how Trump added Coney Barrett. And there isn't a rule saying there are only ever nine justices. The House and Senate have been working since Biden got into office to case-harden many aspects of the federal system to avoid the crap that Trump pulled last time. Trump inherited Obama's robust economy, then trashed it over four years, but I can't believe that as many people as voted for him have no understanding of that - so many mentioned the economy. Gas isn't going to go back down, but inflation isn't a problem right now, and again, they can't tell the difference. And Trump created worse boogeymen with his lying about the conditions of things than Never-Trumpers and Democrats were able to convince people about how scary Trump is with his Project 2025. Now the place goes to hell in a handbasket. He's going to pardon everyone he can, going to try to take away civil service protection and qualifications for federal employees to turn them into his minions. NATO, Ukraine, it's all a horrible disaster. No point in reopening the other thread. |
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06 Nov 24 - 07:01 AM (#4211103) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage And the electoral college has to go. It's a relic of the time when slave states wanted to keep the power to enslave people. That's pretty much what is happening again, the minority rules. |
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06 Nov 24 - 07:07 AM (#4211104) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Dave the Gnome My commiserations, Stilly. I really, really wish you could have posted 'I told you so' here but, sadly, the fears we have voiced over the last few months have happened :-( |
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06 Nov 24 - 07:08 AM (#4211105) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: Donuel Humor in the face of life's absurdities is more crucial than ever. A resurgence of newly adapted Stalin jokes may be apropos. The election confirmed that machismo, misogyny, racism, miscegenation, fear, hate, and the mythical power of the beleaguered hero have won the day in the USA. The threat to science is also in play at the National Institutes of Health. It is 1933 in 2024. A normalization of advancing hatred is now without guardrails in the House, Senate, Presidency, and the Supream Court. A modern fascism will be without some of the key aspects of Hitler's fascism but there is now room for new ones. 1933 was still a time before wholesale murder was the common political practice. 2024 will be transformative but overall a time when freedom is squeezed hard. |
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06 Nov 24 - 07:13 AM (#4211106) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the election From: SPB-Cooperator How many of Trumps 71 million voters believe that they will be the one turkey pardoned the thanksgiving table? |
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06 Nov 24 - 07:20 AM (#4211107) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Doug Chadwick According to the BBC News website, Trump has said he plans to put billionaire Elon Musk in charge of an audit of governmental waste. It wouldn't surprise me that if Musk gets a taste of governmental power, he could make a bid for President next time round. If you are worried about what the next four years might bring, be very afraid of what could happen in 2028. DC |
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06 Nov 24 - 07:26 AM (#4211109) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Musk isn't eligible, he was born in South Africa. |
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06 Nov 24 - 07:26 AM (#4211110) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Dear Filk, hiding in fear helps no one, not even yourself. |
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06 Nov 24 - 07:32 AM (#4211112) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: SPB-Cooperator In European history we had successions of dynasties - can we now look forward to (dread) a dynasty of oligarchs? |
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06 Nov 24 - 08:14 AM (#4211113) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage In 1986 Ronald Reagan issued a sweeping amensty for all illegal immigrants who entered the US before 1982, part of a reform bill. I wonder if Biden could cobble together something like that ahead of Trump's slime trail arriving at the White House. That would certainly burst his bubble and help save the workforce here. |
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06 Nov 24 - 08:56 AM (#4211115) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: SPB-Cooperator Value of Tesla shares have shot up overnight, looks like Musk may be getting a billion or so windfall then. |
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06 Nov 24 - 09:51 AM (#4211117) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: MaJoC the Filk > Dear Filk, hiding in fear helps no one, not even yourself. Panic is anger which hasn't had time to drop the clutch yet. And bravery *requires* fear, otherwise it's foolhardiness. |
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06 Nov 24 - 09:51 AM (#4211118) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: MaJoC the Filk > looks like Musk may be getting a billion or so windfall Only if he can cash in quick before the stock market tanks. |
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06 Nov 24 - 10:57 AM (#4211124) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage MaJoC the Filk - it was a remarkably fast turnaround this morning, from a horrible morass to a crisp bright anger. I've already set up a monthly donation to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). This in turn has me shopping around to lower my Internet bill - it has bugged me for ages that they keep raising the price and say its faster but it isn't. So that $20 a month will be a wash when I switch to the lower cost plan and give the cash instead to the folks who do try to protect our liberties. That's 100+ days out of Kamala Harris' life she'll never get back. I was fine with Biden, by the way, but after that debate (and even though he was always better than Trump), the seeds of doubt were there. The Democrats shot themselves in the foot when the moneyed ones started clamoring that Biden was too old. And if we want to trace this back further, it was a nice gesture that Biden made Merrick Garland the Attorney General, but Garland failed to act in a timely manner - if he'd started those trials back when he should have, this would be moot. (They say hindsight is 20/20, but Garland has annoyed a lot of people by being way too cautious.) Now we get to see who Trump can appoint to go after his very long list of enemies. That probably includes jurors, judges, prosecutors, etc. Though Fani Willis is still standing and still has a case she can now run. Somehow. Better do it fast. |
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06 Nov 24 - 11:12 AM (#4211125) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: MaJoC the Filk Herself's trying to write that poem, but she's too angry at the moment, and that's getting in the way. .... I would add more, but every time I try to do so I manage to hit *something* on the keyboard and/or mousepad which blanks the entire message. Mebbe it's trying to tell me something. |
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06 Nov 24 - 11:56 AM (#4211126) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel This morning, bureaucratic government is in full goose bonker panic mode. My response was to make peanut butter cookies with pecans. |
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06 Nov 24 - 12:39 PM (#4211130) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Thompson The stock market in the US isn't tanking; quite the opposite today on the election result. If I'm not mistaken, the Republican party now has the president, vice-president, Senate, Congress and Supreme Court. Think on that. |
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06 Nov 24 - 12:54 PM (#4211133) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: robomatic Majoc: "Panic is anger which hasn't had time to drop the clutch yet. And bravery *requires* fear, otherwise it's foolhardiness. Is that yours? I want to know who I'm stealing from. Esp. the first part. |
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06 Nov 24 - 12:56 PM (#4211134) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: robomatic Thompson, I never fail to appreciate your keen grasp on things. |
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06 Nov 24 - 12:58 PM (#4211136) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Biden did not help,by making comments about Trump voters |
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06 Nov 24 - 01:13 PM (#4211139) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Dave the Gnome With everything lined up as it is, could he change the constitution so he can stay in power? |
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06 Nov 24 - 01:30 PM (#4211140) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Yes and no. The Constitution can be changed with a 2/3 majority vote by each State. But, with unlimited power, Trump can merely ignore the Constitution or change its function by decree, unconstitutionally. |
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06 Nov 24 - 02:02 PM (#4211141) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Anger leads to panic, panic leads to fear. fear leads to anguish... or any other combination of words that might fit in the moment. Trump has many Goebbels wannabes like Tucker Carlson but he already has FOX as a propaganda branch of his government. For immigrant deportation camps, he has Miller and others to do the dirty work. Trump has more support from the Air Force than the other branches so there may be a purge of generals and admirals. RFK will be in charge of health? |
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06 Nov 24 - 02:37 PM (#4211143) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: MaJoC the Filk robomatic: I can't remember where I got the second part from (possibly Sir Pterry --- it sounds like one of his). I admit responsibility for the other bit, with all due credit to Stilly for inspiring it. |
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06 Nov 24 - 02:44 PM (#4211144) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: meself So, the wealthiest and most powerful country on earth has elected as president a vicious, senile, old degenerate who just wanted a way to stay out of prison - and found it. It sounds like the basis for a mid-20th century comedy, but the aspiring president would have to be a loveable rogue and the country a banana republic. |
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06 Nov 24 - 04:06 PM (#4211149) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: keberoxu I haven't even looked at the other contests and races in my area, although I already heard it announced that our US Senator was elected for another term (Democrat). When I have my wits about me again, I will look up those other senators, representatives, and ballot questions to see what results there are. |
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06 Nov 24 - 04:22 PM (#4211151) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Thompson The journalistic take seems to be that this election was decided by class - the working class having voted for the Republican candidate and the upper middle and upper class for the Democratic candidate. |
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06 Nov 24 - 04:47 PM (#4211154) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Bill D SRS.. "And the electoral college has to go." Of course it does, even though it wouldn't have helped this time. I am totally aghast at the poplar vote. Clearly, empty promises, catering to single-issue voters and general ignorance...fed by Fox News...has overwhelmed rationality. It will be interesting to see what Biden & Harris manage to salvage in the next few months, but I can only hope (no prayer!) Once the first shock was over, I refused to turn to the predictable 'analyses' by the pundits and just retreated into reading an important book about how to think. |
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06 Nov 24 - 05:53 PM (#4211157) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel It is late but it sounds like no one has been drinking. Biden has some responsibility in this election result but twice as many Latino men voted for Trump this time around. I would have sold out and chosen a candidate like Gavin Newsome ugh At least he would not risk a gender gap bias. |
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06 Nov 24 - 06:09 PM (#4211160) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage BillD, the first Trump administration was a result of the electoral college. That's the problem. I don't know what kind of a bind Judge Merchan is in, but it would soothe a lot of angry brows if he would sentence Trump to prison time. Even if he never serves it, he sure as hell deserves it. |
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06 Nov 24 - 06:14 PM (#4211162) Subject: RE: BS: US election From: Stilly River Sage So many people are wishing that M-i-*-t-e-r C-r-o-o-k-* (see Wikipedia) had been a better shot. I never thought I'd be writing that. |
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06 Nov 24 - 08:23 PM (#4211171) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Helen Look on the bright side. At least Kamala Harris is less likely to be the target now. The shooters can underestimate her while she and Biden work together to make life as difficult as possible for Trump when he slinks into the White House. |
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06 Nov 24 - 08:36 PM (#4211173) Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Their job is to make the transition smooth (unlike what he did for them) but they certainly will want to reinforce the furniture and have washable paint on the walls in rooms where he has been known to throw food. When Joe and Jill walked to the entrance at the White House on Biden's inauguration they had to wait for someone to answer the door; as he departed Trump had insisted to the staff that they all take the day off. Fortunately some of the staff knew what was up and were ready. Trump also didn't attend Biden's inauguration, as most former presidents have when their successor is sworn in. I'm curious to see if Biden attends (or if Trump makes a fuss and excludes him?) Such a cretin. |