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13 Feb 00 - 10:11 AM (#177576) Subject: Maths in music/songs From: Ulli I would like to know if there are any songs around which are about (or contain) basic maths (e.g. multiplication table), i.e. songs which help children to learn and memorize the basics? Can anyone help me? Thanks Ulli |
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13 Feb 00 - 10:17 AM (#177581) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: sophocleese Inchworm, Inchworm, will give you two and two are four, four and four are eight... |
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13 Feb 00 - 02:12 PM (#177685) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Penny S. Any song which accumulates number - such as the 12 days of Christmas, one man went to mow, etc, will give a lot of mathematical work as you can explore the successive totals - not basic, but good investigative work on triangular numbers, tables, squares, etc. Penny |
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13 Feb 00 - 02:31 PM (#177694) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Little Neophyte The Jackson 5 ABC Easy as 123 I'll bet it is Do Ra Me ABC 123 Baby you and me How about.......... And it's one, two, three What are we fighting for Don't ask me I don't give a damn Next stops is Vietnam And it's five, six, seven Open up the pearly gates Well it aint no time to wonder why Woopie, were all gonna die
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13 Feb 00 - 02:36 PM (#177695) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: GUEST,T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird) There are a couple of Tom Lehrer songs with math in them: "New Math" and "Lobachevsky". T. |
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13 Feb 00 - 03:19 PM (#177709) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Penny S. I've used New Math to teach subtraction! But without the music - I haven't heard it. Penny |
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13 Feb 00 - 04:07 PM (#177730) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Eric the Viking 1 2 3 4 5 once I caught a fish alive etc. Five little men in a Flying saucer etc. five current buns in a bakers shop five little ducks went swimming one day. You can change the number from 1- anything if you like and have a large group of kids to sing with. One man went to mow etc. This old man he played 1 etc make some up for multiplication and other basic rules of number etc. There are lots of counting, number songs. Eric |
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13 Feb 00 - 05:55 PM (#177768) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Ulli Thanks for all the suggestions so far. What I am looking for is something slightly different (although I don't even know if anything like this does actually exist): basic maths (e.g. multiplication table) worked into a song (Rap music/patterns might work - sorry, I know Mudcat is Folk/Blues, but still....)kind of automatically (unconsciously ?)learning basic maths through music and songs. Is there anything like that around? Ulli |
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13 Feb 00 - 06:34 PM (#177788) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Little Neophyte Ulli, you've really got me thinking now. What about subtraction? 100 bottles of beer on the wall, 100 bottles of beer. If one of those bottles should happen to fall, 99 bottles of beer on the wall. |
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13 Feb 00 - 09:08 PM (#177857) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Bev and Jerry There's a song called "Twistification" which appears on page 316 of Lomax's "Folksongs of North America". The chorus is:
Five times five is tewnty five, The tune is Charley Over the Water or Over the River Charley. |
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13 Feb 00 - 11:48 PM (#177924) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Mark Cohen I have a vague memory of Shirley Temple skipping up or down the stairs in time to a multiplication table rhyme. "The Littlest Colonel"? Maybe "Captain January"? Sorry, I can't get any closer than that. Penny, Tom Lehrer's "New Math" actually doesn't have a tune to the math part, just to the chorus. It's more a recitative -- kind of like talking blues, or an early version of rap. If you have the beat, you've got it. By the way, an old college friend of mine is the son of W.V. Quine, a well-respected Harvard professor of mathematical philosophy (I don't know if he's still there, or where Doug is). He told me -- back in 1970 -- that Tom Lehrer was the only person who got an A in his father's class who didn't go right into academics. Aloha, Mark |
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14 Feb 00 - 12:28 PM (#178095) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Penny S. Mark, I've got the music book, and we actually did it as a sort of chant, with the chorus sung unaccompanied - but I just couldn't do the accompaniment! My sister (a mathematician) has done it as her party piece, but I haven't heard her. I keep looking for a recording. I find myself, at times, falling into the rhythm - you can't take nine from six, six is less than nine, so you look at the four in the tens place ... and I wonder, does copyright cover this, does matter if I am using different numbers, HOW ELSE do I say it? Thanks for the Harvard snippet - I knew Lehrer was a mathematician, but not that sort of detail. Penny |
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14 Feb 00 - 12:49 PM (#178106) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Jacob B There is a company that sells a series of recordings under the title Schoolhouse Rock. At least one of the tapes deals with math tables sung/chanted to a disco beat, first with the answers, then with the answers left out for the listener to fill in. Not really singable (there isn't really a melody) but very, very repetitive. It's undoubtedly effective at drilling the tables into any children who decide they like listening to it. |
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14 Feb 00 - 01:16 PM (#178120) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Ulli Thanks for all the tips, especially Jacob B. 'Schoolhouse Rock' [[http://www.yak.net/pub/ian/SHR/Intro.html]] is exactly what I had been looking for. Again I want to say, it's just amazing how Mudcat is working. I found it about a month ago and I must admit it has become my favourite internet site (I am not only following recent discussions but also reading 'old' threads). It's unbelievable what (background) information one can get here. Congratulations to the founders of this site and all those who contribute with their knowledge. May it stay like this Thanks Ulli |
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14 Feb 00 - 05:17 PM (#178278) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: GUEST,Seamus Kennedy For a great CD about math, physics, etc., try David and Ginger Hildebrand's Physics Pholk Songs interactive CD. You cana contact them at: http:/users.aol.com/davenging/dgstudio.htm or http:/physics.dickinson.edu. All the best |
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14 Feb 00 - 08:47 PM (#178386) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: raredance I couldn't find Pete Seeger's great "We'll All Be A-doubling" in the DT so here it is.
Chorus:
Two times two is four!
Two time sixteen is thirty-two
Next comes two hyundred fifty-six
Next two thousand forty-eight
Every eight generations
Give it another three hundred years
For two thousand years we been praying
Either people are going to have to get smaller recorded by Pete Seeger on "God Bless The Grass" also printed in "Where have All the Flowers Gone" by Pete Seeger (1993); and "The Sierra Club Survival Songbook" 1971) rich r |
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14 Feb 00 - 09:02 PM (#178392) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: GUEST,_gargoyle Yes, there are such songs.
It was once a "bench-mark-requirement" that a child "master" the multiplecation-tables in order to be promoted from 4th Grade.
My brother had a terrible time (as terrible as my experiences with spelling....(which if such a requirement existed I would still reside in a forth-grade-classroom.)) Therefore, my parents invested in a series of records....the times-tables, up to twelve. They got my brother through the test. (Good, Lord knows, you don't want to know what his job is TODAY!)
Use a I,IV,V progression and you can create any song for any table, your child needs to learn.....You can even create poems, as our Fourth Grade Teacher did....probably the "hard-parts" will suffice...ie. 7's, 8's, 9's, teach the 8's as doubles of 4's. |
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14 Feb 00 - 09:02 PM (#178393) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: GUEST,_gargoyle Yes, there are such songs.
It was once a "bench-mark-requirement" that a child "master" the multiplecation-tables in order to be promoted from 4th Grade.
My brother had a terrible time (as terrible as my experiences with spelling....(which if such a requirement existed I would still reside in a forth-grade-classroom.)) Therefore, my parents invested in a series of records....the times-tables, up to twelve. They got my brother through the test. (Good, Lord knows, you don't want to know what his job is TODAY!)
Use a I,IV,V progression and you can create any song for any table your child needs to learn.....You can even create poems, as our Fourth Grade Teacher did....probably the "hard-parts" will suffice...ie. 7's, 8's, 9's, teach the 8's as doubles of 4's. |
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14 Feb 00 - 09:02 PM (#178394) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: GUEST,_gargoyle Yes, there are such songs.
It was once a "bench-mark-requirement" that a child "master" the multiplecation-tables in order to be promoted from 4th Grade.
My brother had a terrible time (as terrible as my experiences with spelling....(which if such a requirement existed I would still reside in a forth-grade-classroom.)) Therefore, my parents invested in a series of records....the times-tables, up to twelve. They got my brother through the test. (Good, Lord knows, you don't want to know what his job is TODAY!)
Use a I,IV,V progression and you can create any song for any table your child needs to learn.....You can even create poems, as our Fourth Grade Teacher did....probably the "hard-parts" will suffice...ie. 7's, 8's, 9's, teach the 8's as doubles of 4's. |
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14 Feb 00 - 09:46 PM (#178421) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Pete Peterson Good Lord, the connections around here! Lobachevsky (the song, not the man) doesn't teach any math, except that it was about the 3rd year of college before than I learned that "an analytic and algebraic equation of locally Euclidian metri(ci)zation of internally differential Riemannian manifold " actually made sense (and that the Bojemoi! exclamation on the end meant "Ohmygod" in Russian) I second the post about Schoolhouse Rock. The trouble with setting times table to music is that all the times tables are arbitrary; you could substitute one number for another and it would make just as much poetic and metric sense. (there is a song from Mewfoundland containing sailing directions which is just as arbitrary) but the really good songs are the ones in which the next line is almost pre-determined by what has come before. Not making much sense, but clear in his own mind (if I still have it) is PETE |
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14 Feb 00 - 09:56 PM (#178428) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Susan of DT not basic math, but for amusement check out [eleven thirds] |
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14 Feb 00 - 10:07 PM (#178435) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Sorcha Mewfoundland? I'll take that for a typo, instead of assuming that 'spaw and kat have invaded. |
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14 Feb 00 - 10:19 PM (#178442) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Mark Cohen Was Lobachevsky done by Tom Lehrer or Danny Kaye? Or are they the same person? And yes, Pete, I understand what you said. I guess that's not a very good sign... |
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14 Feb 00 - 11:07 PM (#178487) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Pete Peterson I understand that Lobachevsky (composition of Tom Lehrer, and I have one of the old 10" LPs to prove it that my father bought back in 1954. But I digress) was inspired by a Danny Kaye routine called Stanislavsky, which I have never heard. I laugh hard enough trying to remember "the pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle. . . " and yes, aren't typos wonderful? Do Catspaw and katlaughing live somewhere in Mewfoundland? Meow. |
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14 Feb 00 - 11:18 PM (#178494) Subject: RE: Help: Maths in Music From: Sorcha Is this "Lobachevsky" anything to do with the Ultra-Orthadox Rabbi Kabbalist? Just curious. |