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14 Jun 97 - 12:09 AM (#6800) Subject: John of Hazelgreen From: Alan of Australia JOHN OF HAZELGREEN, SUMMARY
In John of Hazelgreen a middle aged man comes across a maid crying by a creek and says, "What's up, Love?"
She says, "I dreamt about a young man called John Of Hazelgreen and he's tall, dark and handsome and I've got to marry him, but I don't know where he lives." (Why do dreams always leave something out?)
He says, "Forget him. You can marry my eldest son."
She says, "No! It must be John Of Hazelgreen."
He says, "If you'll forget him and marry my eldest son I'll give you gold combs for your hair." This doesn't sound very useful to me, so I'm not surprised she knocked that one back.
When he sees that she is faithful and constant and true he says, "Hop up on my horse, Honey, and we'll go and look for this John Of Hazelgreen - he sounds like a likely lad." Trusting soul that she is, she does, and off they go.
He pretends to go looking for this John Of Hazelgreen, but actually just takes her off home to his place. At this point I've got to tell you it doesn't turn out the way you think.
When he reaches his front gate his eldest son, John Of Hazelgreen, (he knew this all the time of course) is waiting for him and says, "G'day Dad, I've just had a dream about a beautiful damsel. I've got to find her and marry her. We'll find her crying by a creek."
The old man says, "I've saved you the trouble, Son, is this the one?"
They fall into each other's arms, the violins play and the credits roll up the screen. And it takes 34 verses.
When Sir Walter Scott heard this song it was over one hundred years old. He re-wrote it as Jock O' Hazeldean, telling a different story in four verses. I've gone back to the original (well one of the versions published by Child) and also produced a condensed version. Continued... |
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14 Jun 97 - 12:10 AM (#6801) Subject: Lyr Add: JOHN OF HAZELGREEN From: Alan of Australia ^^JOHN OF HAZELGREEN
Child No. 293
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'If ye'll forsake young Hazelgreen and go along with me
'Now hold your tongue my well-faired maid and let your mourning be
Then forth he came, young Hazelgreen to welcome his father free
He's taken her into his arms led her through bower and hall
This tune is from "The Singing Tradition of Child's Popular Ballads" Edited by Bertrand Harris Bronson. Cheers, |
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14 Jun 97 - 07:01 PM (#6825) Subject: RE: John of Hazelgreen From: dick greenhaus It's in the database (Jock O' Hazeldean). Only the name has been changed to confuse searchers. HAZEL* will locate it for you. |
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14 Jun 97 - 11:58 PM (#6843) Subject: RE: John of Hazelgreen From: Alan of Oz Jock O' Hazeldean is Scott's rewrite with a different storyline. Cheers, |
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03 Feb 11 - 08:44 PM (#3088266) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John of Hazelgreen From: Don Firth Thanks for that, Alan! Well done! I might just take that on board, if it's okay with you. Don Firth |
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04 Feb 11 - 06:52 AM (#3088465) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John of Hazelgreen From: breezy tonic solfa too, wow ! |
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13 Jun 12 - 04:16 AM (#3362799) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John of Hazelgreen From: Georgiansilver My take on the rewrite! |
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13 Jun 12 - 04:27 AM (#3362805) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John of Hazelgreen From: GUEST,Charles Macfarlane Best version ever of this song, Sir Walter Scott version, was by "The Corries on "Strings And Things" - utterly beautiful, one of the best tracks they ever recorded. |
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29 Apr 16 - 09:04 PM (#3787852) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Joe Offer Here's the Traditional Ballad Index entry on this song: John of Hazelgreen [Child 293]DESCRIPTION: A lady is weeping for John of Hazelgreen, whom she is not permitted to marry. She is offered marriage to another; this is little to her liking. By some means or other she meets Hazelgreen, and they are marriedAUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1827 (Kinloch) KEYWORDS: elopement love marriage separation FOUND IN: Britain(England,Scotland(Aber,Bord)) US(MW,NE,SE,So) Canada(Mar,Newf) REFERENCES (22 citations): Child 293, "John of Hazelgreen" (5 texts) Bronson 293, "John of Hazelgreen" (29 versions) Whitelaw-Song, p. 22, "Jock o' Hazeldean" (1 text) GreigDuncan5 1029, "Jock o' Hazel Green" (3 fragments, two of them on p. 624) Lyle-Crawfurd2 117, "Johnie of Hazelgreen" (1 text) SharpAp 43, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #5a} BarryEckstormSmyth pp. 369-371, "Willie of Hazel Green" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #27} Flanders/Olney, pp. 237-238, "Young Johnny of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #25} Flanders-Ancient4, pp. 281-284, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #25} Davis-Ballads 49, "John of Hazelgreen" (7 texts plus 2 fragments; the J text appears to have print influence; 3 tunes entitled "John o' the Hazelgreen," "John of Hazelgreen"; 1 more version mentioned in Appendix A) {Bronson's #3, #26, #2} Davis-More 45, pp. 350-355, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) BrownSchinhanIV 333, "Jock O' Hazeldean" (1 fragment, 1 tune) Morris, #176, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 fragment, which is properly "Jock o' Hazeldeen") Moore-Southwest 58A, "Jock o' Hazeldean"; 58B, "John of Hazelgreen" (2 texts, 2 tunes) Scarborough-SongCatcher, pp. 225-227, "John of Hazelgreen" (2 short texts, with local titles "John over the Hazel Green"; 2 tunes on pp. 415-416) {Bronson's #8, #7} Peacock, pp. 537-538, "Johnny from Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) Leach, pp. 674-678, "John of Hazelgreen" (3 texts) Friedman, p. 143, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text) McNeil-SFB1, pp. 91-92, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) Niles 63, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) Abrahams/Foss, pp. 95-96, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #9} DT 293, JOCKHZLD* JOCKHZL2* Roud #250 BROADSIDES: Firth b.26(534), "Hazle Green" ("As I walked one evening all for to take the air"), Webb and Millington (Leeds), n.d. CROSS-REFERENCES: cf. "Nancy Dawson" (plot) cf. "Lady Jean" (plot) cf. "Parody on Jock o' Hazeldean" (parody) ALTERNATE TITLES: Jock o Hazeldean John over the Hazel Green Jock o Hazledean NOTES: Rewritten by Sir Walter Scott as "Jock o Hazeldean" -- a poem which has become perhaps more popular than the original ballad, and which is included in many poetic works (e.g. it is item CCXXVII in Palgrave's Golden Treasury). Scholars since Child have debated the extent to which the Scott text (said to take only a single stanza from the traditional song) is influenced or has influenced tradition. One thing appears certain: The Scott text and some of the traditional versions are related (e.g. Davis's "J" is about 85% identical to the corresponding stanzas of Scott's text). Either the Scott text used more than the single stanza claimed, or his text has influenced tradition. - RBW Broadside Bodleian Firth b.26(534) is a shortened version of the story. There are broadsides of Scott's text. For example, Bodleian, Johnson Ballads fol. 30, "Jock o' Hazel Dean" ("Why weep ye by the tide lady?"), J. Catnach (London), 1813-1838; also Harding B 26(290), 2806 c.14(45), "Jock o' Hazel Dean"n. - BS Last updated in version 3.7 File: C293 Go to the Ballad Search form Go to the Ballad Index Instructions The Ballad Index Copyright 2015 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. |
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29 Apr 16 - 10:14 PM (#3787862) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Bill D I must disagree with the last post in 2012. I have 'about' 70 versions, and while the Corries are very nice, I have about a dozen choices that I cant choose between. |
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29 Apr 16 - 10:17 PM (#3787863) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Bill D (My mind goes back over 30 years, when Jean Redpath began the 2nd half of a concert by just walking back onstage and **hitting** that opening line and totally silencing all the muttering & chatting in the audience.) |
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30 Apr 16 - 03:23 AM (#3787881) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Tradsinger Interesting Gloucestershire gypsy version here http://glostrad.com/johnny-from-hazelgreenhazeldean/ Tradsinger |
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30 Apr 16 - 06:53 AM (#3787911) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: GUEST,Mike Yates For another collected version, this time from the late,and wonderful, Packie Manus Byrne of Donegal, see Musical Traditions CD "The Birds Upon the Tree" - MTCD 333. Packie called it "Johnny o'Hazelgreen" and had learnt it from his aunt, "Big" Bridget Sweeney of Meenagolin, who, in turn, may have picked it up from Packie's "grand-uncle" who had learnt it whilst working in Scotland. |
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26 Apr 20 - 05:45 PM (#4048738) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Joe Offer Forty times I kissed her lips - Elizabeth LaPrelle version. Anybody got lyrics? |
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26 Apr 20 - 09:22 PM (#4048766) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: JennieG Not lyrics, no......but might I suggest a good lip balm? Forty times, geez...... |
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26 Apr 20 - 09:26 PM (#4048768) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: cnd Elizabeth has a website with the lyrics to all of her albums, but I don't see a song by that name. Click http://elizabethlaprelle.com/lyrics |
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26 Apr 20 - 09:33 PM (#4048770) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Reinhard It's from Victoria Morris, Brown's Cove, Virginia, collected by Arthur Kyle Davis, 10 March, 1933, and printed in his book "More Traditional Ballads of Virginia" (1960). |
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26 Apr 20 - 09:43 PM (#4048774) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Reinhard cnd, that site only has Elizabeth's solo albums. John of Hazelgreen is on Anna & Elizabeth, The Invisible Comes to Us, Smithsonian Folkways 2018. I can't find lyrics on the duo's website. |
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26 Apr 20 - 10:13 PM (#4048778) Subject: Lyr Add: JACK OF HAZELGREEN (Anna & Elizabeth) From: cnd As I were walking one fair May morning All down by the greenwood side And there I spied a pretty fair miss And all alone she cried "You're welcome home, my pretty fair miss You're welcome home with me And you?may?have?my oldest son A?husband for to?be." "Oh, I don't want your oldest son For he's neither lord nor king I never intend to be the bride of none John over the Hazelgreen." As I were riding an ink black road The road run near to the town All up stepped John my Hazelgreen And helped his lady down His hair were long, his shoulder were broad He was the flower of all his kin His hair hang down like links of gold John over the Hazelgreen Thanks for the tip Reinhard, found it now. 'Tis forty times he kissed her cheeks And forty times her chin And forty times her red and rosy lips And led his lady in "If ever I a vow break on you my love Oh, heaven will forsake on me And send me down to the torment place Where I never returntity." From Genius, listen here |
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26 Apr 20 - 10:14 PM (#4048779) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: cnd Oops, I swear I had included a thank you to Reinhard for pointing me in the right direction in that message but I must have forgotten. Anyways, thanks for the tip Reinhard. |
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26 Apr 20 - 10:27 PM (#4048781) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Reinhard You did but in mid-verses ;-) Some small corrections: Fourth verse: As I were riding *the* ink black road Fifth verse: His hair were long, his *shoulders* were broad Last verse: Where I never *return to thee* |
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27 Apr 20 - 02:35 AM (#4048808) Subject: Lyr Add: JOHNNY O' HAZELGREEN From: Jim Carroll This is Packie Byrne's version with mike Yates's note Jim Carroll Johnny o' Hazelgreen (Roud 250, Child 293) Packie Manus Byrne Donegal, though living in Manchester when this was recorded in 1964. One night as I rode o'er yon lea, with moonlight shining clear: I overheard a fair young maid. lamenting for her dear. She did cry as I drew nigh, the better it might have been; For she was letting the tears roll down, for Johnny o' Hazelgreen. 'What is your trouble, my lovely maid, or what caused you to roam? Is it your father or mother that's dead, or have you got no home? My parents they are both alive, and plainly to be seen; But I have lost my own true love, called Johnny o' Hazelgreen. What sort of boy is your Hazelgreen? He's one I do not know. He must be a braw young lad, because you love him so. ' 'His aims are long, his shoulders broad, he’s comely to be seen, And his hair is rolled like chains of gold, he's Johnny o' Hazelgreen. Dry up your tears my lovely maid, and come along with me. I’ll have you wed to my only son, I never had one but he. Then you might be a bride, ' I said, 'to any Lord or King. ' 'But I’d far rather be a bride, ' said she, 'to Johnny o' Hazelgreen. ’She got on her milk-white steed, and I got on my bay. We rode along that moonlight night, and part of the next day. When we came up to the gate, the bells began to ring. And who stepped out but the noble knight, they called Johnny o' Hazelgreen. You’re welcome home, dear father' he said. You're welcome home to me. You've brought me back my fair young maid, I thought l'd never see.’ The smile upon her gentle face, as sweet as grass is green. So I hope she’s enjoying her married life, with Johnny o' Hazelgreen. Mike Yates writes: When I first got to know Packie he asked me to record some of his whistle tunes so that he could send a tape to a relative in Canada. Accordingly, he came round to my home one evening and we recorded the tunes. I had been reading Evelyn Wells' book The Ballad Tree at the time and, knowing that Packie knew some songs, I followed Evelyn's advice and asked Packie if he knew the one 'about the milk-white steed'. "God, yes." He said. "But I haven't sung that in years." I switched on the tape machine and Packie's sang me a version of Johnny o' Hazelgreen. It was possibly the first version to come from an Irish singer and I was just about knocked out. This is that early recording, and not the one that appeared on Packie's Topic LP Songs of a Donegal Man (12TS257). Professor Child included five Scottish versions of Johnny o Hazelgreen in his collection, all of which date from the early part of the 19th century and, in the form rewritten by Sir Walter Scott, the ballad has proven especially popular in Scotland. Versions have also turned up in North America. Packie believes that the ballad was taken to Donegal by his grand-uncle, who had learnt it whilst working in Scotland, and who had taught the song to Packie's aunt, 'Big' Bridget Sweeney of Meenagolin, County Donegal, who in turn taught it to Packie. |
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27 Apr 20 - 05:57 AM (#4048827) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Dave Hanson Dick Gaughan does a very fine version of this song. Dave H |
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27 Apr 20 - 04:40 PM (#4048979) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Helen Back in the '80's I met an American woman and her family who were living here for about three years. She plays harp and sings and I was just struggling to learn harp because there were no teachers in this city apart from the classical harpist at the music Conservatorium and I am more interested in the folk or Celtic style. She used to sing the Child No. 293 version and accompany herself on the harp. It suits the harp and it has a good melody and rhythm. I think she heard it on an album and as I was working in a library at the time I found the Child Ballads books and looked it up. |
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27 Apr 20 - 05:27 PM (#4048984) Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293 From: Helen "JOCK O' HAZELDEAN" (Child 293)_Jean Redpath Dick Gaughan - Jock O' Hazeldean 1972 And a lot of other versions on YouTube. |
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28 Apr 20 - 02:40 AM (#4049038) Subject: ADD: Version: John of Hazelgreen Child 293 From: Joe Offer JOHN OF HAZELGREEN 1. As I were walking one fair May morning, All down by the greenwood side, And there I spied a pretty fair miss, And all alone she cried. 2. “You’re welcome home, my pretty fair miss, You’re welcome home with me, And you may have my oldest son, A husband for to be.” 3. “Oh, I don’t want your oldest son, For he’s neither lord nor king, I never intend to be the bride of none, John over the Hazelgreen.” 4. As I were riding an ink black road, The road run near to the town, All up stepped John my Hazelgreen, And helped his lady down. 5. His hair were long, his shoulder were broad, He was the flower of all his kin, His hair hang down like links of gold, John over the Hazelgreen. 6. ‘Tis forty times he kissed her cheeks, And forty times her chin, And forty times her red and rosy lips, And led his lady in. 7. “If ever I a vow break on you my love, Oh, heaven will forsake on me, And send me down to the torment place, Where I never returntity.”* * Mrs. Morris’ last line is not entirely clear, but phonetically this seems to be what she said. Perhaps she has confused two known readings: “Where I never return to thee” and “Throughout eternity.” Thanks to Reinhard, who pointed me to these lyrics. He says: It's from Victoria Morris, Brown's Cove, Virginia, collected by Arthur Kyle Davis, 10 March, 1933, and printed in his book "More Traditional Ballads of Virginia" (1960) - #45 AA: John of Hazelgreen I like the way this book is set up. Each chapter is a fairly extensive study of one song, with copious notes. And I really like this version. Here's the Anna and Elizabeth recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeeFKI_otCY |