Help: sappy lyrics

14 Mar 00 - 02:43 PM (#194827)
Subject: sappy lyrics
From: kendall

What do you consider sappy lyrics? My vote goes to Shes my baby, dont mean maybe. the little drummer boy. My gawd, can you imagine a mother allowing some kid to pound a drum while her baby is a sleep?

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14 Mar 00 - 03:03 PM (#194833)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: MMario

Drums can be very soothing...hypnotic...and yes, I have seen mothers with babies and Mothers & babies ; sleeping very comfortably with drummming going on. C'mon kendall....drumming doesn't have to be load and obnoxious...

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14 Mar 00 - 04:47 PM (#194866)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Amos

He can put his drumsticks in his rumpitumtum
...rumpitumtum
...I'd tell you more but the words won't come
...rumpitumtum...rumpitumtum
...to hell with that drum...

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14 Mar 00 - 04:57 PM (#194874)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: kendall

Well, I hate to admit it, but, I like the sound of a well tempered bodhron.I also like the high land pipes..see, I'm not ALL bad.

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14 Mar 00 - 04:59 PM (#194875)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Amos

On a more serious note, kendall, I appreciate your rockbound opinions a great deal - I agree with both your candidates. I also agree that Kevin Barry and Mourne are good songs, but I think they're a little sappy in their own way -- sweet-tuned and drawing on sentiment. Mourne at least has a good streak of humor in it. To highlight what I mean about Kevin barry, try comparing it side by side with the Night Larry Got Stretched, which is grim, macabre, and funny as hell except for the tragedy it covers.

Mayhap one man's sap is another man's sugar. Check with Willie-O :>).

A

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14 Mar 00 - 05:36 PM (#194891)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: catspaw49

"See the tree how big its grown, lightning struck and now I own, a flattened car"..........etc.

"Someone left the cake out in the rain".........so now the dumbass eats soggy cake, screw 'em.

Spaw

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14 Mar 00 - 06:28 PM (#194910)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: dick greenhaus

I'm baffled. "Mountains of Mourne" is a funny song (albeit with a seriously lovely tune). What's sappy about them lyrics?

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14 Mar 00 - 07:08 PM (#194932)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: pastorpest

Has any lyric ever "surpassed?" the country song "Drop kick me Jesus through the goal posts of life" or however it goes?

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14 Mar 00 - 07:22 PM (#194938)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Liz the Squeak

'Flushed from the bathroom of my heart' gets pretty close, although I still prefer 'Here's a quarter, call someone who cares'.

Then the immortal 'Tell Laura I love her (and incidentally, I ran over her cat - as my sister would add.....), that has to be fairly sickly. And that one where the plane crashes, and the bloke is waiting to get married to his fiance who is on the plane, and the searchlights flash through the skies looking for his Ebony Eyes - that is a killer!!

LTS

Am I just an old cynic??

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14 Mar 00 - 07:56 PM (#194960)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Seamus Kennedy

How about Toora-loora-loora (The Irish Lullaby)? Sure and begorrah now, don't we all be talkin' like that at this wonderful time of the month of March, with our green derbies and the green beer runnin' out of us at an alarmin' rate altogether, to be sure, to be sure, alannah machree? All the best. Seamus

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14 Mar 00 - 08:05 PM (#194961)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Amos

Dick:

I'm responsible for floating the notion that Mts of Mourne is "sappy", and I agree it is a funny song. The sappiness I was referring to is really the last refrain, I guess. And the original assertion was that it is one of the sappy songs that I love. (Kendall was disqualifying sappiness from folk music, but I think he had a different branch of sappiness in mind. It's a pretty loose adjective ... probably should be kept strapped down. :>)) )
)
BTW, as one who has never thanked you for your long labors but has benefited from their results, thank you for all the sweat that has gone into the DT. It is a genuine boon to the species, IMHO.)
)
A

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14 Mar 00 - 08:12 PM (#194968)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Mbo

Yes, Seamus, YES! DOWN WITH STEREOTYPES!!

--Mbo (who is neither a member of the Mafia OR an Oom-Pah Band)

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15 Mar 00 - 12:44 AM (#195191)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: wysiwyg

"I love you... I honestly love you...." and I am so pathetic about it I have to tell you again, 20 years later, even though you told me to scram the first time.

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15 Mar 00 - 07:41 AM (#195282)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: kendall

Two of my favorite country songs
If I had it to do all over again,
I'd do it all over you.
She wont get under me, 'til I get over you.

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15 Mar 00 - 08:11 AM (#195301)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: GUEST,Marymac

Bad sappy: "Feelings" blaggghhhh!!!

Good sappy: "Heaven will Protect the Working Girl" yes!!!

Marymac

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15 Mar 00 - 11:36 AM (#195444)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Amos

Now there's our Marymac with a fine and important distinction, brought out in the best Mudcat manner. What is the difference between "good" sappy and "bad" sappy -- is it the degree the sentiment is thought/seen to be uncontrived and genuine? I have always loved "The Rose of Tralee" for that reason, even though it could definitely qualify as sappy. And as kendall points out the "Green Berets" song has a very contrived sappiness to it which puts it on his 'bad sappy' list.

So what makes sentiment or sappiness acceptable?

A

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15 Mar 00 - 11:46 AM (#195450)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: PaulKnight

"You are so beautiful..."

Sap falls under the same scrutiny as (unfortunately) porn mags @ the local 7/11...it's a matter of local concensus (sp?)

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15 Mar 00 - 12:25 PM (#195490)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Clinton Hammond2

"There Were Roses"

Poxiest lyrics ever written on a sickeningly sentimental subject...

{~`

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15 Mar 00 - 02:13 PM (#195544)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: kendall

...the sappiest of all....poor Elaine Smith, how was she found, shot through the heart lying cold on the ground.
Her clothes WAS all bloody and throwed all around, death marked the spot where poor Elaine was found. Now, if anyone can come up with sappier lyrics than that, I'll kiss your ass on the quarter deck, and give you a week to sell tickets!!

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15 Mar 00 - 02:17 PM (#195549)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Amos

Dang, kendall, that'd be well worth the effort! Obviously this is a matter of some high feeling to ye!!:>)

A

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15 Mar 00 - 02:21 PM (#195554)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: TerriM

Yes,Liz my angel, you are indeed an old cynic. Sappiest for me would have to be that old Jack Jones thing... I forget the title but has the lines " Hey, little girl, wear something pretty, something you'd wear to go to the city" which exhorts that " wives should always be lovers too". Makes me want to vomit, which is what any self respecting baby would do on the frock the stupid mare has put on following Mr J's advice!

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15 Mar 00 - 02:34 PM (#195560)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: kendall

My brothers do bluegrass, and they insist on doing that turkey in spite of the fact that I cant stand it. So, I get even with...poppa dont whup little Buford, poppa dont knock out his breath, just let him become a folk singer, and Buford will soon starve to death..

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15 Mar 00 - 02:46 PM (#195566)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: GUEST,soddy

One more sappy lyric, just a line should be enough to remind all you Boomers We were our on a date in my daddy's car We hadn't driven very far

I hated that crap back in 1963 or whenever it came out!

AAAUURRRRGH!

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15 Mar 00 - 05:04 PM (#195646)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Uncle_DaveO

TerriM, you have indeed struck oil with "Hey, Little Girl."

Of the same quality is a stupid ditty that was "popular", or at least got a lot of air play, in the early 60s, "Oh, it's delightful to be married, to-be, to-be, to-be, to be married"!!!!!!! Oh, my poor stomach!

Dave Oesterreich

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16 Mar 00 - 01:40 AM (#195908)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Seamus Kennedy

Clinton, sorry you feel that way about There Were Roses. Maybe if you were from the north of Ireland, as I am, you wouldn't feel that Tommy Sands' lyrics were sappy. There are lots of songs with maudlin or saccharine lyrics, but I don't think this is one of them. How about 'Having My Baby" by Paul Anka?

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16 Mar 00 - 01:47 AM (#195910)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: wysiwyg

Good sappy = makes you cry old hurts with a big grin on your face

Bad sappy = someone else is SURE you will LOVE it, and you don't

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16 Mar 00 - 02:04 AM (#195918)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Clinton Hammond2

Seamus...

Maybe yer right, but I somehow doubt it... there's only one song about the "Troubles" that I can stand, and that's Stan Rogers "House Of Orange"... mostly for the line

"All rights and all wrongs have long since blown away
For causes are ashes where children lie slain"

I'd quite frankly be happy building a 200' wall around it and the other 'hot spots' the world has to contend with, and fill it with water...

But that's just he way I feel... I don't expect anyone else, especially someone who lives with it, to agree...

I'd be nice to come back in a couple of thousand years and see if the human race has matured at all...

I'm forced, however to agree 100% with yer assesment of "Having My Baby"!!! So lets just get a round and drink to that o.k.??

{~`

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16 Mar 00 - 02:14 PM (#196236)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Seamus Kennedy

Clinton, I'd be glad to have a jar with you. Stan Rogers and you have the benefit of being able to look at a "hot spot" from 2000 miles or so away, and form a judgement/opinion which says "A pox on all your houses." The poor buggers living within your 200' water-filled enclosure don't have that luxury, unfortunately. However, in the spirit of the season, I'll raise a pint with you to Paul Anka, and Having My Baby. Oh wait, I'm sorry. I can't. I gave up alcohol consumption for Lent. I'll do it on Easter Sunday. All the best. Seamus

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16 Mar 00 - 02:21 PM (#196243)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Molly Malone

And IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

will always love yoooooooooooooooooooooooou.

Ugg. You know, it was great when Dolly sang it. Why does it remind me of fingernails on a chalkboard when Whitney does it?

Sappy: Said it once, say it again...

"I can see her to this day, stirring chicken soup."

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16 Mar 00 - 02:23 PM (#196246)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Clinton Hammond2

Seamus...

Cheers then fer Easter...

And to being 2000 miles away from such problems... and to you and yers surviving the burden of having to live with said troubles!

But it sounds like ya may end up doing pennance or something for drinking with a pagan like me!! LOL!!

Take Ye Care Mate!

{~`

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17 Mar 00 - 03:29 AM (#196650)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Seamus Kennedy

Clinton, sláinte, a chara. I'm afraid you have it ass-backwards. It's never a penance to have a jar with a pagan like you; it's a penance NOT to have a jar with ANYONE for 40 days! I would now like to stir the pot a little...for sappy lyrics I nominate any and/or all national anthems. All the best. Seamus

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17 Mar 00 - 02:33 PM (#196841)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Uncle_DaveO

Seamus, it's not so much the sappy text of national anthems (although there can be that, too) as the emotional loading that gets placed on them that makes them sappy, IMHO.
Dave Oesterreich

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17 Mar 00 - 02:53 PM (#196847)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Amos

Western Davey has put his finger on something that differentiates good sappy from bad sappy. Emotional loading. When you take an inherently beautiful tune and slip blind-eyed thoughtless provincial chauvinism into it, ye get a messy combination for sure -- "America the Beautiful" is a prime example, although the loading isn't that bad -- crowning good with brotherhood is actually a fine sentiment, despite the chauvinism. Another is the Marseilleaise, a very fine tune, with some stirring lines, which then slips in very deftly a few well turned hate-and-kill-and-fear lyrics to tie you up in the best nationalist knots.

A lot of beautiful religous music has a similar impact -- you get into the musical part and take "marching as to war" on board as an uninspected and unsalubrious emotional cargo!

These aren't actually 'sappy' so this is thread creep, but 'bad sappy' surely involves a similar mechanism with different emotions, like cloying sympathy and getting the listener to resonate with profound stupidity.

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17 Mar 00 - 04:34 PM (#196903)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Uncle_DaveO

Amos, at first I couldn't understand why you would refer to me as "Western Davy". Then I figured it out (I think): You were referring to my name, Oesterreich.

If that's so, I'm Eastern Davy instead. "Oester/reich" translates from German as "Eastern Realm", more or less. It's the German name for Austria.

Dave Oesterreich

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17 Mar 00 - 04:35 PM (#196904)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: kendall

My ex used to refer to such lyrics as "emotional rape"

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17 Mar 00 - 04:52 PM (#196916)
Subject: RE: Help: sappy lyrics
From: Amos

Just shows to go ye -- just when you think you're being clever, make sure that's not your own foot heading for your mouth. But you guessed right -- it was my bad German, I guess...:>) Eastern Davy you are.

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