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Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'

18 Mar 00 - 08:40 AM (#197155)
Subject: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,Dunkle

I have an old family document dated March 17 09 - St. Patrick's Day - in which a great uncle refers to "that good old Song that has cheered the hearts of your forbears for years past"; one line of the song is quoted: "Oirland was Oirland when England was a (can't read it)". Is there anyone who can help me track this song down? Best, Don Houghton


18 Mar 00 - 01:36 PM (#197264)
Subject: RE: Help: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,Philippa

"Ireland was Ireland when England was a pup
Ireland will be Ireland when England's time is up" ?
I don't know who coined the phrase nor whether it's part of a longer verse


18 Mar 00 - 02:22 PM (#197273)
Subject: RE: Help: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: TheOldMole

The way I heard it, from an old 50s folkie named Jimmy Gavin (anyone remember him)?

Now here's to good St. Patrick who by strategy and stealth
Drove all the saints from Ireland, here's a bumper to his health
But not too many bumpers, or we'll lose our heads and then
We'll forget the good St. Patrick, and see the snakes again

Now Ireland was Ireland when England was a pup
And Ireland will be Ireland, we'll lick those muckers up,
I'm a good old Roman Catholic, I go to church each Mass,
But ye lousy British Protestants can kiss me Irish ass.


22 Apr 10 - 08:02 PM (#2892410)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: Jim Dixon

I searched for this in Google Books, and I found several books that quote a couple of lines, but nothing more than that. Sometimes they called it an "old song."


Variations include:

"Ireland was a nation when…"
"…when England's broken up."
"…when England's buggered up."
"…when England's beggared up." (I assume that's a euphemism.)

"Ireland was Ireland when England was not much,
And Ireland will be Ireland when England is Dutch." (from 1914)


22 Apr 10 - 11:04 PM (#2892498)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: Seamus Kennedy

The way I heard it was:

Ireland was Ireland when England was a pup,
Ireland will be Ireland, when England's broken up.
I am the best damn Catholic that ever when to Mass,
And every Limey sonofabitch can kiss my Irish ass.

*Sigh* Just gets you right in the ol' pump, doesn't it?


09 Dec 17 - 12:07 PM (#3893018)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,Jerry

Ireland was Ireland when England was a pup
Ireland was Ireland b’fore the crown had been thought up
??????????????
So come all ye limey bastards and kiss my Irish ass

Does anyone have any more of these lyrics?


11 Dec 17 - 09:52 AM (#3893337)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,JTT

I think that St Patrick drove the snakes from Ireland rather than the saints… or maybe not…


12 Dec 17 - 02:14 AM (#3893457)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,JTT

Incidentally, Americans may not know this, but spelling Ireland as 'Oirland' and Irish as 'Oirish' is a sneering British thing, mocking what our accent sounds like to them, and also suggesting that Ireland isn't (they wish!) a 'real' country.

This song, whose first verse or perhaps chorus is occasionally quoted in old books, seems to have sunk without trace, and from the sound of it that's no harm!


12 Dec 17 - 09:03 AM (#3893527)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,pauperback

This whole business of 'kiss my Irish ass' has me a bit puzzled.

It seems so haughty, flying in the face of something you'd be better off not too.

For example after 9/11 and the hero-ication of the NYFD there was some type of a televised memorial event when a large red-faced (seemed drank to me) man in a dress fireman's uninform was making a speech which he ended with "they can kiss my royal Irish ass!"

I was a little taken aback and wrote it off to East Coast hijinks until a day or two later a jet airliner dropped right into his neighborhood.