19 Mar 00 - 02:53 AM (#197567) Subject: Penguin: The New York Trader ^^ From: Alan of Australia G'day, From the Penguin Book Of English Folk Songs, Ed Pellow's rendition of the tune of The New York Trader (Child #57) can be found here.
THE NEW YORK TRADER
To a New York trader I did belong,
Our cruel captain, as we did find,
At length our hunger grew very great.
Our captain in his cabin lay.
Our captain woke in a terrible fright,
'Bo'sun,' said he, 'it grieves my heart
'There is one thing more I have to tell -
'I killed my wife and children three,
'Captain,' said he, 'if that be so,
Early next morning a storm did rise,
Then the bo'sun he did declare
When this was done a calm was there,
And when we came to anchor there,
Sung by Ted Goffin, Catfield, Norfolk (E.J.M. 1921) Click here for another version. Also search the DT for #57.
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13 Jan 05 - 02:49 AM (#1377985) Subject: RE: Penguin: The New York Trader From: Joe Offer Here are the notes from Penguin: The New York Trader (FSJ VII 2) Britain has a group of ballads in which a criminal on board a ship is detected by supernatural means. These include "Brown Robyn's Confession" (Child 57), "The Gosport Tragedy," "Sir William Gower," and "William Glenn," with which the New York Trader is sometimes confused. In fact, all three latter songs seem to derive from an older ballad called The Pirate, in which the ship is bound for New Barbary, not for 'New York in Ameriky'. The New York Trader evidently enjoyed a vogue in the nineteenth century. It was frequently published by provincial broadside firms, and Catnach, in London, found it worth issuing at least three times. Alfred Williams collected a version in Wiltshire (WUP 265—6) and Cecil Sharp reported two Somerset versions of the closely related "Sir William Gower" (FSJ V 263—4). The ballad called "The Sailor and the Ghost" or "The Man and the Two Maidens" (FSJ VII 46—7) belongs to the same family of songs. Penguin differentiates between "New York Trader" and "william Glen." The Traditional Ballad Index classes them together. Here's the entry from the Traditional Ballad Index: Captain Glen/The New York Trader (The Guilty Sea Captain A/B) [Laws K22]DESCRIPTION: A ship sets out to sea; many of the crew become ill. The captain has a dream which causes him to reveal his dreadful crimes to the boatswain. In the face of a severe storm, the boatswain reveals the captain's sins. He is tossed overboard; the storm abatesAUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1794 KEYWORDS: ship crime execution revenge storm FOUND IN: Canada(Mar) Britain(England,Scotland) US(MA,SE) REFERENCES (8 citations): Bronson (57 Ñ Appendix to "Brown Robyn's Confession"), 10 versions Laws K22, "Captain Glen/The New York Trader (The Guilty Sea Captain A/B)" Vaughan Williams/Lloyd, pp. 72-73, "The New York Trader" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's 10} Chappell-FSRA 35, "Captain Glen" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #3} Logan, pp. 47-50, "Captain Glen's Unhappy Voyage to New Barbary" (1 text) Leach, pp. 697-698, "William Glen" (1 text) BBI, ZN2534, "There was a ship, and a ship of fame" DT 563, NYTRADR WILLGLEN Roud #478 CROSS-REFERENCES: cf. "Brown Robin's Confession" [Child 57] cf. "Cruel Ship's Carpenter, The (The Gosport Tragedy; Pretty Polly)" [Laws P36A/B] cf. "Sir William Gower" cf. "The Pirate" cf. "The Sailor and the Ghost" cf. "The Man and the Two Maidens" ALTERNATE TITLES: William Guiseman Sie William Gower File: LK22 Go to the Ballad Search form The Ballad Index Copyright 2004 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. |
13 Jan 05 - 07:44 PM (#1378621) Subject: RE: Penguin: The New York Trader From: Malcolm Douglas On the subject of The Pirate (which appears to have been a mistake on Lloyd's part), see the revised edition of "Penguin": Classic English Folk Songs. Obviously I'm not going to post the details here, as the book is still available from EFDSS, and needs to be sold in order to finance more publishing ventures. |
13 Jan 05 - 10:17 PM (#1378711) Subject: RE: Penguin: The New York Trader From: Q (Frank Staplin) "The New York Trader," a version sung by Mrs. John Mahoney, Stock Cove, Nfld, is similar to the Nova Scotia version in the DT. A tune is given. The Captain's name is William Gore, and he had dwelled in Wexford when he did the deed. Kenneth Peacock, "Songs of the Newfoundland Outports," vol. 2, pp. 396-397. |
13 Jan 05 - 10:34 PM (#1378722) Subject: RE: Penguin: The New York Trader From: Malcolm Douglas Lloyd differentiated between William Glen and New York Trader because they aren't really the same song; though obviously related. I'd tend to class the latter as a later broadside derivative of the former, for what that's worth. Child suggested a possible derivation for both from the 17th century English broadside ballad William Grismond. |