20 Mar 00 - 05:14 AM (#197987) Subject: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Alex Before I left Scotland I heard a record called Scottish Battle Ballads I think it was by a guy called Alistair MacDonald. Does anyone have the lyrics for it ? Thanks Alex alexdragonslayer@yahoo.co.uk |
20 Mar 00 - 09:55 AM (#198044) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Susan of DT Which songs are you looking for, Alex? We have several of them. There are 8 songs labelled @border and I am sure there are more that are not so labelled. |
20 Mar 00 - 09:06 PM (#198365) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Malcolm Douglas That would be Alastair McDonald, I should think. The spelling is important if you need to use a search-engine to get the information, which you probably will. He's prolific, and has recorded a lot of albums. None of them that I can find references to have the title that you mention, so I suspect that it may be a sub-title. Good luck! Malcolm |
20 Mar 00 - 09:33 PM (#198374) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Stewie There is a book by Michael Brander 'Scottish and Border Battles and Ballads' Seeley Service & Co London 1975. There was supposed to have been an album of ballads in the book sung by Jimmie Macgregor and Robin Hall. I don't know whether it ever materialised, but the book may be worth your investigation - I found it quite interesting when I read it years ago. --Stewie. |
20 Mar 00 - 10:14 PM (#198405) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Timehiker Alex, I heard a recording years ago with titles like The Bannockburn, Harlaw, Johnny Cope, Drumossie Muir, Aiken Drum, and several Jacobite tunes. I don't know who the singer was. If this is the one you're looking for, I should be able to recall the lyrics of some of them. Take care, Timehiker |
20 Mar 00 - 10:24 PM (#198408) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Malcolm Douglas As Susan said, the question is really just, which songs does Alex want? Once we have the titles, there should be no problem finding versions of them; bearing in mind that there is rarely just one version of a traditional song! It's less likely that someone else will come along who knows exactly what is on the record he mentioned, of course. Malcolm |
21 Mar 00 - 04:08 AM (#198527) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Alex Some of the songs I remember were Bannockburn it started off, something like : High over Bannockburn Battle of no return Bruce ranked his Scottish Men all in good order Down on the other side 40 divisions wide Edward of england had crossed oor the border another was Hush Harlaw Parcel of rogues in a Nation the others I cant remember sorry . I was hoping someone would recognise the title. It was an awesome record. Thanks to all who answered Alex |
21 Mar 00 - 08:16 AM (#198572) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Mbo Oooh, The Haughs of Cromdale is another good Scottish Battle song! --Mbo |
21 Mar 00 - 08:30 AM (#198582) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Julie |
21 Mar 00 - 08:34 AM (#198585) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Julie Sorry about the last entry - I over clicked I think that one of the songs in question is Culloden's Harvest. The version I have on CD is credited to Alastair MacDonald. It is a beautiful song which can be sung with some wonderful harmonies Julie |
21 Mar 00 - 08:37 AM (#198587) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Mbo Yes, Deanta does Cullodens Harvest very well too...so sad.. --Mbo |
21 Mar 00 - 09:23 AM (#198598) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: alison Culloden's harvest is in the database.... I must add a tune... although I thought I did before.... slainte alison |
21 Mar 00 - 09:26 AM (#198603) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: alison I knew I did..... the tune for Culloden's harvest is at Mudcat MIDIs slainte alison |
21 Mar 00 - 02:02 PM (#198772) Subject: Lyr Add: HARLAW From: Timehiker Alex, Sounds like we heard the same recording. Here's one of them. I'll post more when I get a little more time. I put a (?) behind all the words I'm not sure about. Perhaps some of the Gaelic speakers here can mend my butchery. HARLAW
Sae come ye frae the hielands man?
CHO: Wie a didum a do an a dee and a dum
And come ye near and near enough
At Skye came in the Derry men (?)
The hieland men with their lang swords
Afore this day is done I fear
Ah nah, nah, nah, me brother dear
The first blow that Glen Allen struck
Sic a cry from amaing the hieland men
And when they come to speir at ye Hope that helps a little, Alex. And, like I said, if anyone thinks they recognize any of the garbled words, don't hesitate to correct them. Thanks.
Take care, |
21 Mar 00 - 02:39 PM (#198787) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: dick greenhaus If you search for "@Scots @battle" (without the quotation marks) you'll get 29 hits. |
21 Mar 00 - 03:47 PM (#198817) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Malcolm Douglas It's worth trying @Scots @war too, which will get you a different -though overlapping- selection. Malcolm |
21 Mar 00 - 03:51 PM (#198821) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Dan Keding Alex and Others, There is a very good book on this subject called "Scottish & Border Battles & Ballads" by Michael Brander, reprinted by Barnes & Noble, ISBN 1-56619-088-6. Hope this helps. Dan |
24 Mar 00 - 09:51 PM (#201066) Subject: Lyr Add: SMILE IN YOUR SLEEP / HUSH HUSH ^^^ From: Timehiker Alex, Here's another one. HUSH HUSH
CHO.: Hush, hush, time to be sleeping
Once our valleys were ringing
We stood with heads bowed in prayer
Where was our proud highland mettle
Hush, hush, time to be sleeping I've also heard this as a bagpipe tune called "The Mist Covered Mountains".
Take care, |
25 Mar 00 - 01:25 AM (#201173) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Sabra Hi there, (Calach talking from Sabra's home), sorry to inflame the controversy, but the original request was for lyrics for the ALBUM...."Scottish Battle Ballads" songs on the album were (as I remember)Culloden's Harvest William Wallace The Field of Bannockburn The Battle of Harlaw The Shores Of Sutherland The Sheep and Stag Remain Sellar's Men Henny Monroe.......etc the lyrics are impossible for me to pass on just now, cos I'm on holiday with my darling in Kansas USA. If you want any of the lyrics from the album....... just email me and wait for 2 weeks for me to get back to rainy Edinburgh. Email address is..... calach@fsbdial.co.uk yours, Calach (who's the other half of Sabra) |
25 Mar 00 - 11:31 PM (#201558) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: WyoWoman I just went to Amazon.com to see if I could find any CDs by Alastair McDonald and didn't come up with anything. Any idea where I might get a recording? WyoWoman |
30 Mar 00 - 05:18 AM (#203787) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Alex Jackpot goes to Calach the titles look very familiar. Looking forward to the lyrics Thanks to everyone Alex |
21 Nov 00 - 07:10 PM (#344823) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Michael Kett, Germany Hi All! I found that record 2 yrs. after I started searching for it. The Song "Parcel of Rogues" was written by Robert Burns, the famous scottish writer. There`s no problem to get that lyric on the web, but if, mail to mkett@aurich-net.de But, the hell, I don`t understand any songs of Alastair completely because of my fucking little knowledge of the Scottish language. I say, it IS different to English. So, can anyone help me with some lyrics? By the way: I found a German translation of "Parcel of Rogues", written by Julius Heintze, a German poet in the 19th century. Raise Your fists and yell Mike |
21 Nov 00 - 08:34 PM (#344866) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Malcolm Douglas I'd recommend The Scots Dialect Dictionary, compiled by Alexander Warrack (Waverley Books, New Lanark, Scotland, 2000); we also have a resource available here, the Glossary of Scottish Words Malcolm |
24 May 01 - 03:55 AM (#469302) Subject: RE: sheet music req: Culloden's Harvest From: GUEST,breakfastattiffanys@eudoramail.com Okay, so several people are familiar with "Culloden's Harvest" and I have printed the lyrics from this site. But does anyone know where, in the name of all that's holy, I can locate the actual sheet music? |
24 May 01 - 04:25 AM (#469309) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: alison I'll send you a GIF... at least you'll get the melody line + guitar chords ..... slainte alison |
24 May 01 - 04:42 AM (#469315) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Lyndi-loo Tha Album is called Scottish battle ballads. I have it on vinyl. Published by Nevis records, No NEV014. Complete track listings are Stirling Brig The Wallace Bannockburn Horo Chail Eile Harlaw Parcel o Rogues The wee wee German Lairdie The shores of Sutherland The fireraisers Hush Hush Henry Munro John MacLean My understanding is that this has never been reissued on CD |
03 Aug 02 - 12:48 PM (#759317) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jim McLean Hi Lyndi-loo, I have just come across this request and you're quite right. I wrote most of the songs and produced the LP with Alastair singing. There was a previous version of the LP on Major Minor records just called Battle Ballads, but some of the titles were different. I didn't include John MacLean on the first one. This was a ontemorary poem by J.S.Clark, set to music. I used a variant of the tune Woody Guthrie used on Tom Joad. Cheers, Jim Mclean |
18 Oct 05 - 10:05 AM (#1585296) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Alastair McDonald - Corban Recordings Hi. Can I set the record straight. "Culloden`s Harvest" is NOT traditional but written by me, Alastair McDonald & published Corban Music. Enquiries welcome at Corban Recordings PO Box 2 Glasgow G44 3LB Scotland www.corbanrecordings.com Thanks folks Alastair (McD) |
29 Dec 08 - 10:07 AM (#2526599) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Tommy Douglas It is about time "Scottish Battle Ballads" was put out on c.d. I know of quite a few who would urgently like to get their hands on a copy. |
29 Dec 08 - 01:31 PM (#2526755) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jack Campin You can get all the contents of Brander's hackjob book off the web quite easily. It must have taken him all of a week to write it. Save your money to buy the CD release of Alastair's LP. |
29 Dec 08 - 05:12 PM (#2526912) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jim McLean I wasn't aware that Scottish Battle Ballads (written by me and sung by Alastair McDonald in 1969) had been released as a CD. I also owned Nevis Records but sold it and all my catalogue to a Glasgow Record company a long time ago. I think Alastair wrote some of his songs in a similar vein to those on the SBB LP some twenty years after its first release. I know that some of my old catalogue which included LPs featuring Alastair have been released namely Scotland in Song and a Burns LP but I think Alastair has also re-recorded them and issued them on his own company, Corban Music. |
31 Dec 08 - 01:25 AM (#2528046) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jim Dixon Allmusic.com lists an album called "Battles and Ballads of Scotland" by Alastair McDonald (Corban CD 029, 2008). Here is the track list: 1 - Battle of Stirling Bridge - 3:55 2 - Scotland Yet - 2:45 3 - William Wallace - 2:59 4 - Land of the Eagle - 2:49 5 - Sword of Bannockburn - 3:58 6 - Hail to the Chief - 2:40 7 - Harlaw - 4:27 8 - Perfervidum Ingenium Scotorum - 2:40 9 - Sherifmuir - 2:28 10 - Parcel o' Rogues - 3:35 11 - Wee German Lairdie - 2:09 12 - Till Jamie Comes Hame - 2:32 13 - The News Frae Moidart - 3:30 14 - Chairlie's Own - 3:37 15 - Culloden's Harvest - 3:53 16 - Twa Bonny Maids - 3:29 17 - Both Sides o' the Tweed - 4:08 18 - Son o' Mars - 2:54 19 - Sheep and Stag Remain - 3:38 20 - Sergeant and the Loon - 2:25 21 - Man in Peterhead - 3:45 22 - Patriot's Heart - 2:57 |
31 Dec 08 - 05:33 AM (#2528120) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jim McLean Alastair, as I posted already, formed his own company years after I disposed of NEVIS and issued CDs with similar titles to the original Nevis LPs as in Through Scotland in Song (NEVIS Scotland in Song) and the above posted by Jim Dixon after the original Scottish Battle Ballads. A lot of the songs are the same although he has changed a couple of titles, but the titles posted above are a mixture from the original Scottish Battle Ballads, the Robert Burns album I did with him over 30 years ago and the Bonnie Prince Charlie LP also on Nevis. I haven't heard The Man in Peterhead but I suspect it is a reworked title of the John MacLean song I recorded with Alastair on a NEVIS LP called Scotland First (1970). I recognise some titles as having been written by me but changing titles makes it difficult to recognise originals. The PRS and MCPS sometimes pick up the changes but not always. For those who do not have the NEVIS LPs, the Corban CD looks a good buy. |
31 Dec 08 - 07:05 AM (#2528159) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jim McLean I should have said Alastair's version of Nevis's Scotland in Song is called Songs of Scotland. It has a similar sleeve and adopts the same format, i.e. each song has a spoken intro. |
31 Dec 08 - 07:16 AM (#2528165) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jack Campin Jim Maclean - I don't say the LP had been released on CD, but that it would be worth buying if it ever was. Timehiker, Jim's song "Hush, Hush" (Smile in your Sleep) is not a battle ballad. There are several threads about it on Mudcat already. |
20 Feb 09 - 01:19 AM (#2571526) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Ursula Would it please be possible to get a copy of the sheet music still? |
20 Feb 09 - 04:27 AM (#2571566) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jim McLean Guest Ursula, email me at JawMac@aol.com and I'll send you what you require. |
21 Feb 09 - 03:56 PM (#2572652) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jim Dixon I believe several of the songs on this album are already in the DT or in various Mudcat threads. Links are below. However, I haven't actually heard the album; I am only going by the similarity of the titles. I may have misidentified some of the songs. If any of these is the wrong song, please let me know, and I will try to find the right song online. Some songs are listed more than once because I found more than one copy or version. BOTH SIDES THE TWEED in the DT BOTH SIDES THE TWEED CULLODEN'S HARVEST (Alasdair McDonald) TWA BONNY MAIDS might be the same as ISLE OF SKYE in the DT MAN IN PETERHEAD might be the same as JOHN MACLEAN SCOTLAND YET SCOTLAND YET SCOTLAND YET SCOTLAND YET SON OF MARS in the DT SUCH A PARCEL OF ROGUES IN A NATION in the DT THE BATTLE OF HARLAW THE BATTLE OF HARLAW (from Old Blind Dogs) THE BATTLE OF HARLAW (from Jeannie Robertson) THE WEE WEE GERMAN LAIRDIE THE WEE WEE GERMAN LAIRDIE THERE'LL NEVER BE PEACE TILL JAMIE COMES HAME THERE'LL NEVER BE PEACE TILL JAMIE COMES HAME (Burns) WILLIAM WALLACE (Jim McLean) |
21 Feb 09 - 07:52 PM (#2572773) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: oldhippie Nevis released some really good recordings, I have two casettes by Alastair, "White Wings" and another. I hope to convert them to CD one of these days. |
21 Feb 09 - 09:03 PM (#2572811) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,Jimmy Wow, somebody dredged this thread up from the dead. However, in the same vein, I remember hearing a song (I may have bought the tape - now long lost) called The Wallace. The singer/writer was from Paisley, I think. The first lines were: "An English Lord in Lanark took a young Scots lassie's life Said Wallace, 'She must be avenged - that lassie was my wife.'" Anyone remember this? |
22 Feb 09 - 11:39 AM (#2573036) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jim McLean Lyndi-loo posted the correct titles for this album which I wrote and produced, and sung by Alastair McDonald. Most of the titles were original but some trad arranged by me. Jim Dixon's post refers to songs on Alastair's much later CD which is a compliation of lots of songs from the LPs which I wrote for Alastair in the 60s and 70s plus some newer ones and Jim's correct in that Alastair has changes the titles in at least two: Twa Bonnie Maidens to Isle of Sky and John MacLean to the Man in Peterhead. This allows him to publish them as apparently different songs. As already posted I wrote the song called the Wallace (early 60s)but not the one referred to by Guest Jimmy although I do come from Paisley. Oldhippie, I owned NEVIS which produced about 5 LPs of Alastair's but not one called White Wings. Scotland in Song Songs of Robert Burns Scottish Battle Ballads Bonnie Prince Charlie Scotland First I also produced an LP called Tam Lin, sung by Alastair, for Deacon Records about 40 years ago, I repeat, For those who do not have the NEVIS LPs, the Corban CD looks a good buy. |
22 Feb 09 - 01:34 PM (#2573103) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: oldhippie Yes jim, it's the "Scotland First" I have. "White Wings" was on Corban. |
19 May 09 - 02:25 PM (#2635893) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,stewart hardie if anyone has this on cd. could they tell me where to get it from !!! |
19 May 09 - 03:38 PM (#2635960) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: Jim McLean Guest, I don't think the original "Scottish Battle Ballads" has been released on CD. I leased the master tapes to KLUB Records in Glasgow many years ago. If you get in touch with me and are able copy an LP onto CD then I could send you an original album which you can return afterwards. My email is JawMac@aol.com. |
23 Aug 10 - 04:55 PM (#2971321) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,stewart.hardie I have no device to copy the album, but a normal cassette copy would be much appreciated, i found an old LP but its condition was not great. Many thanks Jim. Regards stewart hardie, stewart.hardie1@btinternet.com |
23 Aug 10 - 05:11 PM (#2971331) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: maple_leaf_boy Does Nigel Denver also sing the song "The Wallace"? I found an online recording that says in the info it's Nigel Denver, but some of the comments say that it's not him. I'll post a link if I can find it again. |
31 Jan 11 - 07:52 AM (#3085793) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,saorsa The Man In Peterhead was written by John Clarke and is a different song from Hamish Henderson's 'Maclean March', or Matt McGinn's 'Dominie' |
06 Jul 11 - 10:26 PM (#3182797) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Battle Ballads From: GUEST,steven czoski it is alistair mcdonald and it is called scottish battle ballads not to be confused with scottish battles and ballads |