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28 Mar 00 - 02:47 PM (#202752) Subject: Walls of Troy From: GUEST,radriano Hello, everybody: I'm trying to track down the author of The Walls of Troy, a song that appeared on one of The House Band albums. My former band, Out of the Rain, used to perform this song and I wanted to include it on a CD of excerpts from live performances we've done. A number of years have passed and the information has been lost in the shuffle. The song does not seem to be in the database but I don't want to add it until I have the author's name. Thanks for any help I can get on this! radriano |
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28 Mar 00 - 05:10 PM (#202849) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: GUEST,Martin Ryan The phrase occurs in some versions of "Claudy Banks" - the only place I can remember hearing it sung. Regards |
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28 Mar 00 - 07:27 PM (#202924) Subject: Lyr Add: WALLS OF TROY (Terry Conway) From: GUEST Hello Martin, nice to hear from you. The Walls of Troy I'm talking about is a more recently composed song - here are the lyrics: THE WALLS OF TROY (Terry Conway) [as performed by The House Band] The banner rides the winds of peace, the pilgrim takes the road To advertise and civilize, and try to spread the gold But the cities fall to hatred's call, the hero smells the flood To celebrate the nation's state and dip their hands in blood Chorus: And you'll hear them come around again Hear the trumpets sound again Hear the drums resound again Beneath the walls of Troy When nations seek to find their friends they first compare their foes And if the list turns out the same a sour alliance grows The patriot must be revered, he has no need to hide But the man of peace is damned unless he's on the other side You'll hear them talk of natural laws and population trends They'll set the wise to rationalize and talk of means and ends They'll say that man was made to hunt, it's all part of the game Or maybe they'll blame religion if they think it clears their name Now all the world's a patchwork quilt, all nations must be free The hate, the fear, it's so sincere - it's all too much for me Your freedom is the right to war, to plunder and to To rape and slay the child unborn and all to show the flag The banner rides the winds of peace, the pilgrim takes the road To advertise and civilize, and try to spread the gold But the cities fall to hatred's call, the hero smells the flood To celebrate the nation's state and dip their hands in blood Regards, radriano |
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28 Mar 00 - 07:33 PM (#202929) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: Abby Sale Good song for a new one. I have a note it's by Terry Conway |
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29 Mar 00 - 09:08 AM (#203173) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: GUEST,aldus I believe the Walls of Troy you are seeking is actually part of the Chorus to some versions of The Banks of Claudy. Lyrics to which can be found at the Liza Carthy Website. |
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29 Mar 00 - 09:13 AM (#203178) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: Callie I know the song Claudy Banks, I've always been puzzled by the reference to the Walls of Troy. Can someone explain what they are and what their significance is? --Callie |
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29 Mar 00 - 02:05 PM (#203374) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Callie I'll leave it to the classicists among us to blind you with detail but bacically it's a (classical) reference to Helen and the siege of Troy. Don't ask me how it got into (that version of) Claudy Banks! MInd you, I could speculate about hedge-schoolmasters and Irish connections.... In the song it seems to be a metaphor for bravery and nobility. Regards |
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29 Mar 00 - 05:24 PM (#203478) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: Callie oh ok - O know about THAT Troy. I just couldn't see that it was connected with the Claudy Banks. But hey - it's a song! Am willing to think laterally! Thanks Martin! --Callie
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29 Mar 00 - 06:55 PM (#203530) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Callie Beats me too! The point about "hedge-schoolmasters" is that many Irish songs (both in Irish and English) are laden down with classical references. One theory is that this evolved from the work of itinerant teachers who, with a modicum (nice word that!) of Latin and Greek, taught people outside such mainstream education as then existed. That said, I've no idea whether Claudy Banks is basically English or Irish (lots of rivers of that name). Regards |
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29 Mar 00 - 10:32 PM (#203690) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: Callie Wow - Claudy sounded like a French name to me. Well, "mystery is the essential part of any work of art". Someone famous said that. --Callie |
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30 Mar 00 - 04:34 PM (#204119) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: Penny S. I've looked up the lyrics for Claudy Banks without seeing the reference to Troy's walls. However, it might be relevant that there are a number of places in Britain (don't know about Ireland) called Troy Town (for some reason), and there are also a number of turf mazes called Troy Towns. I'm not sure how much these groups overlap. A turf maze is cut in the grass and in a unicursal labyrinth (ie no choices, it winds in and then it winds out). It doesn't therefore have walls. So not much help there. Penny |
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30 Mar 00 - 05:09 PM (#204147) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: GUEST,radriano The song I was looking for, The Walls of Troy, is on the album Word of Mouth by The House Band. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a copy of it here in the San Francisco Bay area. If anyone has this recording would you be kind enough to see who the author is? Abby Sale (mudcatter) says its by Terry Conway and I'd just like to verify that. Thanks! radriano |
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30 Mar 00 - 05:09 PM (#204148) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: Callie Penny: whenever I've seen the song written down, there's been no reference to Troy. However, in Eliza Carthy's version, she sings "he is the darling of my heart all on the walls of Troy" to finish each chorus. Go figure! --Callie |
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30 Mar 00 - 05:15 PM (#204155) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: GUEST,radriano The song I was looking for, The Walls of Troy, is on the album Word of Mouth by The House Band. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a copy of it here in the San Francisco Bay area. If anyone has this recording would you be kind enough to see who the author is? Abby Sale (mudcatter) says its by Terry Conway and I'd just like to verify that. (Abby, I'm not doubting you but I wasn't sure what you meant by 'I have a note that it's by Terry Conway') Thanks! radriano |
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30 Mar 00 - 07:26 PM (#204232) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: Abby Sale Sorry. I have a note on my album Word of Mouth by The House Band that it's by Terry Conway of Hexham, Northumberland. Now, never doubt again! |
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31 Mar 00 - 10:55 AM (#204535) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: GUEST,radriano Abby, thank's for that clarification. I did get corroboration of Terry Conway as the author from another source. I will never, ever, in my entire life, or another other life I should have, doubt you again! Many thanks, radriano |
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31 Mar 00 - 11:15 AM (#204549) Subject: Lyr Add: THE WALLS OF TROY (Terry Conway) From: GUEST,radriano The Walls of Troy by Terry Conway The banner rides the winds of peace, the pilgrim takes the road To advertise and civilize, and try to spread the gold But the cities fall to hatred's call, the hero smells the flood To celebrate the nation's state and dip their hands in blood Chorus: And you'll hear them come around again Hear the trumpets sound again Hear the drums resound again Beneath the walls of Troy When nations seek to find their friends they first compare their foes And if the list turns out the same a sour alliance grows The patriot must be revered, he has no need to hide But the man of peace is damned unless he's on the other side You'll hear them talk of natural laws and population trends They'll set the wise to rationalize and talk of means and ends They'll say that man was made to hunt, it's all part of the game Or maybe they'll blame religion if they think it clears their name Now all the world's a patchwork quilt, all nations must be free The hate, the fear, it's so sincere - it's all too much for me Your freedom is the right to war, to plunder and to brag To rape and slay the child unborn and all to show the flag The banner rides the winds of peace, the pilgrim takes the road To advertise and civilize, and try to spread the gold But the cities fall to hatred's call, the hero smells the flood To celebrate the nation's state and dip their hands in blood from the album Word of Mouth by The House Band Green Linnet Records 3045 |
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15 Oct 06 - 08:41 AM (#1859291) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: GUEST,billyb "Walls of Troy" must be a corruption of "Wars of Troy" - a reference to the classical history battles that inspired song writers in the 18th and 19th centuries. |
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15 Oct 06 - 03:39 PM (#1859570) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: Barbara Nope, it's a heavy duty anti war song written by Terry Conway, and quoted by radriano, above. And you'll hear them come around again Hear the trumpets sound again Hear the drums resound again Beneath the walls of Troy We transcribed the words and tune in the SFFMC folknik a while back. Curiously it changed from major to minor when it crossed the pond. Blessings, Barbara |
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16 Oct 06 - 12:47 PM (#1860453) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: GUEST,Barnacle - at work Google Terry Conway and read the first page - you could probably ask him all you want to know - I can confirm that it is his song |
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14 Jun 08 - 09:59 AM (#2365780) Subject: RE: Walls of Troy From: fergusUK has anyone got the dots or a midi file for this song?? |
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10 Aug 13 - 01:02 PM (#3547610) Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy From: RTim The "Walls of Troy" chorus was only collected once - from Frederick White in Southampton Workhouse in June 1906. When Gardiner first collected it, there was no chorus, it wasn't until it was recorded on a Cylinder later that White sang the Chorus. This can be heard on the EFDSS CD called - Century of Song. Tim Radford |
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10 Aug 13 - 01:21 PM (#3547616) Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy From: ian1943 I heard Terry Conway sing the song twice; he wrote it! |
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10 Aug 13 - 06:06 PM (#3547698) Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy From: Mick Pearce (MCP) You can see the Banks Of Claudy version that Tim referred to on the new EFDSS Full English site: Banks of Claudy - Frederick White: I-o, I-o, he is my darling boy He is the darling of my heart upon the walls of Troy (3rd and 4th images) Mick |
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10 Aug 13 - 06:22 PM (#3547702) Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy From: Phil Edwards Terry Conway, author of this song and many others (e.g. Fareweel Regality), died this year aged 69: obituary here. |
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10 Aug 13 - 07:50 PM (#3547725) Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy From: Mick Pearce (MCP) And the local obit thread for him here: Obit: Terry Conway (4 Jun 2013) Mick |
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25 May 17 - 05:26 PM (#3857178) Subject: Lyr Add: THE WALLS OF TROY 1 (Terry Conway) From: GUEST,Chris Roche There are two verses missing the recording on Pete Coe`s new 2017 CD `The man in the van' is more complete and with the two missing verses makes more sense, there are other words that need to be corrected, I guess since Pete knew Terry Conway well he got it right, he sung The Walls Of Troy at the funeral for the family a fantastic 6 min song anti-war all the way. His version is appended below I hope it helps. THE WALLS OF TROY 1 (Terry Conway) Now the banners ride the winds of peace, the pilgrims take the road To advertise and civilize, and try to spread the cause But the cities fall at hatred's call, and heroes swell the flood To celebrate the nation-state to dip their hands in blood CHORUS: And you'll hear them come around again Hear the trumpets sound again Hear the drums resound again Beneath the walls of Troy Now in early days, the people had to live their lives in tune And ages went and seasons came to the call of lady moon But from the east, the hunters came without regard for law They introduced the hunter`s horse and they invented war In fragments lay the life on earth it was the sun gods came And the men and the men of Iron soon overturned the cities on the plain And the civilised to learned the trade to fight and to destroy And Zeus looked down and laughed at them beneath the walls of Troy Now when nations seek to find their friends they first compare their foes And if the list turns out the same a sour alliance grows And the patriot must be revered, he has no guilt to hide And the man of peace is damned unless he's on the other side Now you'll hear them talk of natural law population trends They'll set the wise to rationalize and talk of means and ends They'll say that man was born to hunt, it's all part of the game Or maybe they'll blame religion if they think it clears their name Now all the world's a patchwork quilt, all nations must be free Their hate and fear are all sincere but it`s all too plain to see Their freedom is the right of war to plunder or to brag To rape and slay the child unborn it`s just to show the flag |
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25 May 17 - 07:21 PM (#3857192) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Walls of Troy From: RTim The House band........... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3VLkOHI_Ic Tim Radford |
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25 May 17 - 07:25 PM (#3857195) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Walls of Troy From: RTim There was a version of The Banks of Claudy collected from Fred. White in Southampton Workhouse 1906?? (around then) by Dr. Gardiner - that has the following chorus and this is the only time it was collected thus: Ey-oh ey-oh he is my darling boy He is the darling of my heart All on the walls of Troy Tim Radford |
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16 Aug 17 - 01:14 PM (#3871983) Subject: Lyr Add: THE WALLS OF TROY (Terry Conway) From: George Dawn Noted from the sleeve notes Of Riots and Rabbits available from www.stonehousemusic.co.uk/ - well worth buying. A remarkable talent. THE WALLS OF TROY (Terry Conway) Now the banners ride the winds of peace, The pilgrims take the road, To advertise and civilise, And try to spread the code; But the cities fall at hatred's call, And heroes swell the flood To celebrate the nation-state, And dip their hands in blood. CHORUS: And you'll hear them come around again Hear the trumpets sound again Hear the drum resound again Beneath the walls of Troy In early days the people had to live their lives in tune, And seasons and ages went came, To the call of the lady moon. Then from the east the hunters came, Without regard for law; They introduced the hunter's horse, And they invented war. In fragments lay the life of earth, It was the sun God's gain, The men of Iron overturned the cities of the plain; And the civilised soon learned the trade, To fight and to destroy; And Zeus looked down and laughed at them, Beneath the walls of Troy. When nations seek to find their friends, They first compare their foes; And if the list turns out the same, A sour alliance grows. And the patriot must be revered, He has no guilt to hide, And the man of peace is damned - unless he's on the other side. And you'll hear them talk of natural law, And population trends, They'll set the wise to rationalise, And talk of means and ends; They'll say that man was born to hunt, And it's all part of the game, Or maybe they'll blame religion, If they think it clears their name. So all the world's a patchwork quilt, All nations must be free, Their hate and fear are all sincere, And it's all too clear to see That their freedom is the right of war, To plunder and to brag, To rape and slay the child unborn, And all to show the flag |
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06 Jul 20 - 03:25 PM (#4063116) Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy (Terry Conway) From: Joe Offer refresh |