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23 Apr 00 - 12:29 AM (#216349) Subject: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: katlaughing To all who celebrate this joyful and important day, Christain or not: May you have a renewal of spirit, love, faith, hope, charity, and prosperity in all ways. The Aramaic Prayer of Jesus
O Birther of the Cosmos, translation © 1988 by Neil Douglas-Klotz All the best and MERRY SPRING! katlaughing |
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23 Apr 00 - 12:30 AM (#216352) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: katlaughing Drat! I HAD taken off the italics at the end, I thought! Sorry! |
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23 Apr 00 - 12:56 AM (#216375) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Kelida Take away the title, and that isn't specifically Christian. . . Nevertheless, beautiful. Peace--Keli |
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23 Apr 00 - 07:38 AM (#216467) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Today is also my saints day: St. George. The patron saint of England, adopted as such by the Crusaders in the 12th Century. Folklore has it that he was a Roman soldier converted to Christianity, and put to death by Emperor Diocletian in 304 AD. The red cross on white background was established as his symbol, since incorporated into the Union Jack. Yours, Aye. Dave |
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23 Apr 00 - 08:09 AM (#216476) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Little Neophyte Thanks kat for that lovely prayer. It looks good in italics, makes it special. I may have been brought up in Judaism but I sure do love Jesus. He seemed to be someone who really knew he was a son of God and had the magnificant gift of being able to show us all that we are children of God too. Well, that is how I see it anyway. I do think Jesus was some mighty fine person who 'done good' on this earth. And I plan to follow as best I can in his footsteps. Happy Easter everbody, Little Neo who considers herself a religious mutt |
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23 Apr 00 - 09:22 AM (#216486) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: wysiwyg He is Risen! |
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23 Apr 00 - 10:04 AM (#216504) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Mbo Amen to that, Praise! --Mbo |
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23 Apr 00 - 10:55 AM (#216517) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: wysiwyg I posted it wrong, too, should be: Alleluia, Alleluia, alleluia, The Lord is Risen! ~S~ |
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23 Apr 00 - 02:54 PM (#216609) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: GUEST,ivy b* today is important, whatever your religious/spirtual background. the prayer was wonderful, i will be printing out a copy of it and keeping it close at hand. i hope you dont mind if i add this poem as its in a similar theme. I wake to feel the sun apon my face - The touch of spring returned again at last. The winter swept away and in its place This light to melt the shadows of the past. A mind washed clean, a spirit free embraced, A well of peace as from my soul is cast All fear and hate - oh let it now be graced With April's balm for cruel midwinter's blat. By his example we are told forgive And be forgiv'n, grow on without regret. The world's anew! Turn from the cold and live, Embrace the good, all else learn to forget. For Hope's a gift wrapped in this April morn Through which the world this eastertide's reborn. happy easter (and st. george's day!). may it bring you hope and peace. love ivy b* |
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23 Apr 00 - 03:33 PM (#216624) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: catspaw49 These nail holes are making it real hard to type. Spaw |
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23 Apr 00 - 03:38 PM (#216626) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: sophocleese Well I got up early and hid small chocolat eggs around the back yard for the kids to find. By the time they were outside lookig for them 6 had disappeared. Does anybody know if chocolate is good or bad for squirrels? |
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23 Apr 00 - 03:56 PM (#216633) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Rick Fielding I don't know about the squirrels, Soph, but our friends Greg and Cathy have warned us NOT to bring chocolates with us to their Easter Dinner tonight. Their two little girls are ALREADY "Buzzing" we're told. By the way, if they KNEW Catspaw, they'd probably warn us not to bring him either! Rick |
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23 Apr 00 - 04:05 PM (#216637) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: catspaw49 I'll take you off the list for free asparagus Rick. Gawd how I love these "Candy" holidays........The kids are completely buzzed, flying off the walls, and in general completely nuts. I always thought that they were just paying homage to me by emulating me on holidays and then I realized it was the sugar. Bummer. Actually, Karen and I made a pact for these days like Easter and Halloween.....Complete pigout on ONE day and then we take the stuff away, ie, if they don't eat it today, it goes in the trash. Works pretty well and cuts down on the wall repairs. Spaw |
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23 Apr 00 - 04:42 PM (#216649) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: ceitagh "Truly He is Risen!!!" :-) Happy Easter everybody! (Sang the Hallelujah Chorus today....there's a chocolate-free buzz!) Ceitagh |
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23 Apr 00 - 04:54 PM (#216652) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Little Neophyte Catspaw I didn't realized you were a holey man too. Why, can I walk in your footsteps? Maybe I should just post after all your postings, that is kind of like walking in your footsteps isn't it? Little Neo |
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23 Apr 00 - 05:40 PM (#216675) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: catspaw49 Yes BonnAmmie, tis true....I am one of the holey ones and as such, I've decided that Rick should have the same status (see the "Good Balance on the 'Cat" thread). Spaw |
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23 Apr 00 - 06:31 PM (#216696) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Caitrin Today is the one day of the year that we really do the Slovak thing (Easter is a bigger deal in Slovakia than Christmas!)...I've pigged out on goulas, halubki, halushki, roshky, paska, kolbasi, and pagach all day. (As well as a whole bunch of other stuff with names that even other people can pronounce, including lots of candy.) Cristos Voskres! |
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23 Apr 00 - 07:40 PM (#216740) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Kelida My family still shops for me like I'm 8 years old, so I have a huge amount of candy that I'll never eat--I'd like to stay thin and beautiful for as long as possible. Why can't people just give me money--or a new computer? Candy is fun, though. . .until I gain 10 pounds that I end up having to lose again. Peace--Keli |
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23 Apr 00 - 10:11 PM (#216783) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Biskit Happy Easter, Happy St.George day, To Everyone!!!! My wife and I were talking this morning about these religious holidays where everyone gets together and gorges themselves on food wouldn't it be much better to take your family out for a walk in nature, and truly enjoy the glory of our creator in the way the leaves are budding, (and do so every spring) The way the sun sets so perfectly b`neath the clouds,or just glory in the communion of family and friends while out on this walk? I'm watching a beautiful,BEAUTIFUL! sunset in a truckstop in Toole, Ut. as I write this, and it just made me pause and think of what a lovely world we live in, and how lucky we are to be a small part of it. Happy Easter everybody,Your all always in my prayers, Love, Biskit |
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23 Apr 00 - 10:29 PM (#216790) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: katlaughing Too right, Biskit! I once taught a song to a grandma from Toole, who was riding the train back, as we were, from New England. I later sent her a tape of it and she still sings it to her grandkids as far as I know. Thanks everyone for the lovely thoughts and images. Today has been beautiful. luvyakat |
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23 Apr 00 - 10:40 PM (#216796) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: GUEST,jenithea@jenithea.com Katlaughing, that is a beautiful prayer. Do you know anything of the history or origins of it? I should have done something useful or meaningful today, but mostly I slept. It has been a tiring week. --js
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24 Apr 00 - 01:03 AM (#216859) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Rick Fielding Wow, great dinner at our friends Greg and Cathy. (they even made half the dressing WITHOUT onions!) You know looking at their 3 little kids...being raised with love and care, no bigotry, no race hatred, no Mom and Dad yelling or swearing at each other...well, I'm just glad that Duckboots and I have good friends. Oh, he's a good bass player too. Was on all the cuts except one of "This One's The Dreamer". I played bass on one song and Greg swears I screwed it up! Rick |
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24 Apr 00 - 01:34 AM (#216869) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: katlaughing Kool, Rick! Ya had me worried there, for a minute! Jenithea, all I know is the copyright info I posted. It was in an engagement calendar book my sister's gave me, for 1990 called "Celebrating Women's Spirituality", copyrighted 1989 by The Crossing Press, Freedom, California 95019. It has such great quotes and artwork that I've kept it. It is just one of several I've seen which seek to interpret the Lord's Prayer in a less patriarchal/denominational way. Glad you liked it. Thanks, kat |
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24 Apr 00 - 10:43 AM (#216970) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: SDShad Actually, kat, I just happen to have a beat-all--to-hell copy, which pretty much goes with me everywhere, of the book that it came from, Neil Douglas-Klotz's Prayers of the Cosmos, which approaces both the Lord's Prayer and the Beatitudes from a view which tries to unlock their inner truth through basically riffing on the many layers of meaning which would naturally be present in their original Aramaic rendering. Klotz himself is Sufi, and a student of Middle Eastern mysticism and its history way back to pre-monotheistic times. He makes a pretty convincing case that Jesus didn't intend his prayer in any kind of patriarchal/denominational way. I think it's pretty cool that Kelida is able to see a rendering of the Lord's Prayer as not being specifically Christian. For me, that's kind of the whole point of it. Anyway, your calendar abridged Klotz's version considerably, kat. The original:
O Birther! Father-Mother of the Cosmos,
Focus your light within us--make it useful:
Create your reign of unity now--
Your one desire then acts with ours,
Grant what we need each day in bread and insight.
Loose the cords of mistakes binding us,
Don't let surface things delude us,
But free us from what holds us back.
From you is born all ruling will, And even that doesn't do justice to Klotz's translation, because he calls it only "one possible translation", where in point of fact he takes apart each line of the old prayer into five to eight or so possible parallel, noncontradictory meanings, any of which you could combine together to create your own "Aramaic Prayer of Jesus." Liberating stuff. The Aramaic on which this is based is so beautiful that I include it below. I include the original Aramaic prayer in my daily meditation. In January I attended a mens' creations spirituality retreat at which we sang the opening lines of the prayer in Aramaic while dancing for Universal Peace in circles...amazing.... The Lord's Prayer (Aramaic) Abwoon d'bwashmaya Nethqadash shmakh Teytey malkuthakh Nehwey tzevyanach aykanna d'bwashmaya aph b'arha Hawvlan lachma d'sunqanan yaomana Washboqlan khaubayn (wakhtahayn) aykana daph khnan shbwoqan l'khayyabayn Wela tahlan l'nesyuna Ela patzan min bisha Metol dilakhie malkutha wahayla wateshbukhta l'ahlam almin Ameyn All of the quotes above are from Prayers of the Cosmos: Meditations on the Aramaic Words of Jesus, Neil Douglas-Klotz, Harper San Francisco, 1990. Ameyn, Chris |
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24 Apr 00 - 08:53 PM (#217329) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Irish sergeant KAtlaughing: Truly a lovely prayer and sentiment. Too much candy, and all the other goodies associated with the holiday. Little Neophyte, I know what you mean about being a spiritual mutt. I spent a lot of time on bothe the Protestant and Catholic sides of Christianity (Everything from Charismatic pentacostal to RC) I lable my self a christian and leaveit at that. Shalom. To all else, have a happy belated Easter and /or Passover, Neil |
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24 Apr 00 - 09:07 PM (#217340) Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - Easter - 4/23/00 From: Caitrin One biblical translation thing that I thought was interesting... The original aramaic, when describing the creation of the world, uses the verbs for "fathering" and "birthing," the male and the female versions of creation. |