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Tune Req: Farewell to Govan (Phil Cunningham)

08 May 00 - 12:22 PM (#224664)
Subject: Farewell to Govan
From: Roger in Sheffield

I heard this tune played by Liam o,Flynn on his "The Given Note" CD and I wonder does anyone know where I can get hold of the written music so I can play it myself? The tune was written by Phil Cunningham I believe. I realise it is probably copyrighted and I don't mind paying for it - it is a wonderful tune!


08 May 00 - 03:53 PM (#224782)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Mary in Kentucky

Do you mean "Farewell to Govern"? I think the background music here is that one. Maybe if you search for this title something will turn up. I don't know about the music. You can use midi software to see what this arrangement looks like and at least get a nice melody line. (Some software lets you print it.) If you find the music, let me know, because I like it too.

Mary


09 May 00 - 03:21 PM (#225363)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Roger in Sheffield

Thanks Mary That is the tune I dont have any software to view it though any ideas??


09 May 00 - 04:58 PM (#225431)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Mary in Kentucky

Hello again,

Just a few thoughts here...not sure how helpful they are...

A quick look-around-the-web turned up this Cape Breton Tour Page with this song listed at the top as a "traditional tune." I don't know exactly what that means. Maybe Dave (the ancient mariner) can tell us if it's traditional in Nova Scotia. If you just want the melody line for a tin whistle or something, find someone with midi software to print it out for you. (My version of Cakewalk won't print the score for me.) Last year I found a nice music store on the 'net which let me search for the music to particular songs. I'll check at home tonight. Remember to let us know if you find something.


09 May 00 - 08:58 PM (#225554)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Malcolm Douglas

There seem to be two or three sites that have midis of this tune, and they are all the same arrangement!  Cakewalk displays very eccentric notation for it, but MidiNotate -a freeware program available from  http://www.notation.com/index.htm, seems to be able to cope with it; you might have a go at that.

Malcolm


10 May 00 - 01:16 PM (#225900)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Roger in Sheffield

Thanks Malcolm ! I was just about to purchase Cakewalk scorewriter as I had the demo version and it displays the music but won't print beyond the first page. Instead I have just downloaded MidiNotate and printed off the Tune!! My friend Louise will be thrilled she loves this tune and I know she will love playing it. Thanks again and thanks Mary for finding me the tune in the first place.


10 May 00 - 01:45 PM (#225922)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Roger in Sheffield

I am slightly confused now I have a recording of this tune by Liam O'Flynn. I thought he introduced it as "Farewell to Govan" and described it as a tune from Phil Cunningham dedicated to the declining shipbuilding industry of Govan in Scotland. I have just looked at the Cape Bretton Tour Page where "Govan" has become "Govern" and I am now wondering if Phil wrote the tune or just passed it on ?? I will ask Louise to check the sleeve notes (she has the CD with this tune on) but if anyone out there knows where it came from I am interested in hearing....


12 May 00 - 05:27 PM (#227279)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Roger in Sheffield

try www.taramusic.ie/cd3034.htm for info on Liam O'Flynn version or www.taramusic.ie/audio.htm for a short mp3 clip of Farewell to Govan

Thanks for all the help Roger


12 May 00 - 05:49 PM (#227289)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Mary in Kentucky

...hmmmmmmm...same song...lovely. Now I wonder if that's the correct name.

Mary


12 May 00 - 09:55 PM (#227356)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Malcolm Douglas

Roger:

I live in Sheffield, too.  Do I know you in real life (so to speak)?

Malcolm


13 May 00 - 01:17 PM (#227553)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Roger in Sheffield

Malcolm

No I don't know you Malcolm but I might have seen you around. I don't play in public - no where near good enough yet. Only recently started going to folkie events mainly The Robin Hood Thursday nights to Bob Hazlewoods Events. Pauline Cato and Andy Irvine were both brilliant. Do you play any instruments?

Mary

you did see the song and track notes from Liam O'Flynn's "The Given Note" CD ? it was on the tara records website and I have pasted it below.

4. Farewell To Govan

This tune was composed by Phil Cunningham as the theme for Bill Bryden's Glasgow stage production of "The Big Picnic". It is one of several which Phil very kindly sent to me while I was preparing material for this album.


13 May 00 - 10:08 PM (#227718)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Malcolm Douglas

Ah, the Robin Hood.  I had lodgings on Springfield Road when I first moved up here (so long ago that beer was 14p a pint!!) so it was my local.  I know Bob and Pauline from the pub sessions when we were all a bit younger.  And yes; mostly fiddle, nowadays.

Malcolm


16 May 00 - 01:33 PM (#228855)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Roger in Sheffield

14p you are having me on! You must be talking old money and I only just remember that. I have just sent 'Farewell to Govan' to Diz and Francis who are patiently trying to tutor several of us on Tin Whistle.

I think I have spent enough time searching for tunes now I will go and practise playing them!

Thanks for all the help


16 May 00 - 03:31 PM (#228945)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Malcolm Douglas

No, 14p (new money), honest!  1972.  Mind you, that was in the back bar; it cost more on the posh side.  I take it that Francis is Francis Feeley?  If you go to his classes at the Harlequin, have a look at the photo-collage in the front bar; if it's still there, there are a couple of pictures of me playing the fiddle lurking about.  Also, if you haven't come across it yet, check out the South Riding Folk Network's site at  http:folk-network.com for more info. on folkmusic in and around Sheffield.

Malcolm


16 May 00 - 03:35 PM (#228951)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Malcolm Douglas

Or, better still, use a link that actually works:  Http//folk.network.com!!


16 May 00 - 03:39 PM (#228953)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Malcolm Douglas

Now I really feel stupid.  That should of course be:  http://www.folk-network.com...


18 May 00 - 12:13 PM (#229942)
Subject: RE: Farewell to Govan
From: Roger in Sheffield

I have already discovered the folk network and joined last year. and yes F.Feely. I have seen the photo-collage (with many people in it) any other clues as to which one you might be? Ok so I have just re-read the message, you would be the one with a fiddle! I am going to practise some more. Last night I taped my feeble attempts and was amazed at how terrible it sounded on play back. That is quite disturbing as it sounded great in my head as I played. The brain is obviously good at filtering out all the terrible bits.

Roger


09 Aug 18 - 10:39 AM (#3942707)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Farewell to Govan (Phil Cunningham)
From: FreddyHeadey

"Phil Cunningham and students from the Royal Conservatoire of Scotland with a stirring rendition of The Youngest Ancient Mariner/Farewell to Govan"

Release date: 1 December 2016


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04jpxkt
(7 minutes)


09 Aug 18 - 10:54 AM (#3942710)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Farewell to Govan (Phil Cunningham)
From: Bonzo3legs

Farewell to Govan from "The Big Picnic"!!


09 Aug 18 - 11:13 AM (#3942713)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Farewell to Govan (Phil Cunningham)
From: Bonzo3legs

and this is from my cassette recording at Harland & Wolffe 01/10/94! from the promenade side of the huge buiding. The colour sgt's voice you can hear at the start is that of Jimmy Logan, with whom my wife danced the Gay Gordans at the previous 1990 production of "The Ship"!


09 Aug 18 - 11:13 AM (#3942714)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Farewell to Govan (Phil Cunningham)
From: Bonzo3legs

building!


09 Aug 18 - 01:09 PM (#3942734)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Farewell to Govan (Phil Cunningham)
From: leeneia

Thanks for the link, Bonzo.

If only there were a way to get the sheet music for "Farewell to Govan" and to pay Phil Cunningham a reasonable sum for it...


09 Aug 18 - 06:00 PM (#3942781)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Farewell to Govan (Phil Cunningham)
From: GUEST,Captain Swing

I agree Leeneia. I'm sure it would be possible in these tech times. It's easy to produce a good pdf surely it would be easy to do charge by copy downloads.


12 Aug 18 - 05:35 PM (#3943460)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Farewell to Govan (Phil Cunningham)
From: Tattie Bogle

I did once ask Phil if he had any plans to produce another tunes book after "House in Rose Valley" and he said he was thinking of doing just as Capt Swing suggested, having his tune scores online to purchase downloads. But he is such a busy chap, with so many projects on the go, so I don't think it has ever happened.
I do confess to having transcribed a number of his tunes from audio recordings, (having bought the CD first!) but purely for playing among amateur friends for our own enjoyment. I have not as yet tried "Farewell to Govan"!


13 Aug 18 - 06:16 AM (#3943555)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Farewell to Govan (Phil Cunningham)
From: Tattie Bogle

Also known (better??)as "The Youngest Ancient Mariner" - I have been playing it under this title for years!!
Sheet Music here (should be a dotted crotchet foll by quaver in frst bar, rather than all crotchets in first bar):
Farewell to Govan/Youngest Ancient Mariner