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12 Apr 98 - 01:31 PM (#25656) Subject: mellodie request: NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN From: belter I'm want to play the NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN for a special ocation, but although I can sing it (more or less) I don't know what the notes are supost to be can any one help me? |
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12 Apr 98 - 10:11 PM (#25683) Subject: RE: mellodie request: NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN From: Catfeet It may be in the Makem & Clancy songbook. I do know that they did it on at least one album, but not owning the songbook I can't tell you specifically. It is, however, a direction to look in if no one else is able to help. Good hunting. Catfeet |
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15 Apr 98 - 07:57 PM (#25855) Subject: RE: mellodie request: NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN From: alison Hi, sorry, it's not in either of my Makem & Clancy songbooks. SLainte Alison |
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18 Apr 98 - 02:08 AM (#25952) Subject: RE: mellodie request: NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN From: Murray Try this: 3/4 d/ sl sf rt,/ dd d-- d/ rr rm fs/ ll s-- s/slt d' sm/ fsl s-- d/ msl sf rt,/ d d d --that should get you close, at any rate. This is the sol-fa system I mentioned lang syne. The words, in my version anyway, fit as follows: In/ Newlyn to-wn I was/ bred and born, On/ Ste-phen's Gre-en I/ die in scorn; Ap-/prenticed I was to the/ sa-dd-lers trade, But I /a-l-ways wa-s a-a / roving blade. [I hope you can follow the way the syllables fir the notes. That "Stephen's Green" might be wrong by the way, since it places the action (of his execution) in Ireland; all the rest took place in England. Anyway, hope this suits. --If you want me to send sheet music, get me your snail address. |
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20 Apr 98 - 02:45 AM (#25983) Subject: Tune Add: NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN From: alison Hi, well here's the translation from Murray's sol fa. See if this sounds about right.
MIDI file: NEWRYHI.MID Timebase: 480 Name: Newry Highwayman This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the January 15 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
Slainte Alison |
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22 Apr 98 - 06:02 PM (#26299) Subject: Tune Add: NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN From: BAZ This is the tune that we sing the Newry Highwayman to. We got it from an old Johnstons record from the early 70's. It goes quite quick. It's very similar to a tune already in the database for Sovay, Sovay, X: 1 T:NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN M:4/4 L:1/4 Q:1/4=120 K:Em "D"GFG|"(Bm)"E2GG|"Em"(EF)GE|zBAG|F2D2|(B,C)DE|zGGA| M:3/4 B2 EFED| M:4/4 "Bm"B,4|zB,EF| M:3/4 "Em"G2Ez/E/EB| M:4/4 B2(BA-|AE)"D"FD|"Em"E4|z|| Regards Baz |
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23 Apr 98 - 03:49 PM (#26377) Subject: RE: mellodie request: NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN From: belter I appreiciate the effort. between all these formats I should be able to put an arangment together. I keep saying I'll figure that midi stuff out one of these days. |
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18 May 00 - 12:29 PM (#229959) Subject: Newry Highwayman From: InOBU Does any one have a cure for the hole in the ballad the Newry Highwayman or Newry Town as sung by Karen Casey? She leaves out a verse about him being a bold and wicked youth... It is the Newry town which starts In Newry town I was bred and born Click for lyrics in DTMessages from multiple threads combined. |
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18 May 00 - 12:33 PM (#229966) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Peg um, Larry, I thought that lyric appeared on the CD? or maybe there is just that comment in the notes section..."it's in the cradle I should have died" is a depressing lyric, to be sure...good song, I am glad you are doing it. I will see if I can find out about this stanza... peg |
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18 May 00 - 04:41 PM (#230091) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Bruce O. Also called "Wild and Wicked Youth", "Rambling Boy", "Irish Robber". Versions set in England and in Ireland, but no very common title. See (Laws) L12 in DT.
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18 May 00 - 05:25 PM (#230115) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Barry Finn Allen Tyne of Harrow is an (older I believe) version. I think it's in the DT. Barry |
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18 May 00 - 05:27 PM (#230117) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Barry Fiin Should've readan English version. Hi Bruce, you got any more on this one, love to read it, thanks & hope to see ya soon some where. Barry |
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18 May 00 - 05:43 PM (#230128) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Bruce O. Search on 'Newry' on the Bodley ballads website and you come up with several copies of "Wild and Wicked/Wick'd Youth". This seems to be set in London, but the only Stephen's Green (2nd line) that I know of is in Dublin. Is this an English reworking of an Irish ballad? |
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18 May 00 - 06:01 PM (#230139) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Bruce O. The Bodley Ballads website also has "The Jolly Blade" (and in Lib. of Congress) set in Dublin, where Stephen's Green makes senase, and which seems to be earlier than the "Wild and Wicked Youth". The Lib. of Congress also has "The Irish Robber" which is related, but which I didn't make a copy of.
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18 May 00 - 06:31 PM (#230154) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Bruce O. See also on the Bodley Ballads website "The Flash Lad" (search on 'flash') where the opening is different, and the conclusion seems to the borrowed from "Buck's Elegy/ Unfortunate Rake". |
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18 May 00 - 06:47 PM (#230165) Subject: Lyr Add: NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN^^^ From: Aoife Or here it is: (As printed in "More Irish Street Ballads" collected by Colm O Lochlainn) I am not sure if this is the exact version that Karan Casey does, but it is close enough.
In Newry town I was bred and born I hope this helps you. The version on that Solas album is incredible! Cheers, Aoife This is very close to the version in the Digital Tradition, but there are some interesting differences. -Joe Offer- |
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18 May 00 - 06:51 PM (#230168) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Aoife OOOOOH is this the missing verse?
Six pretty maidens to bear my pall, I also think i left out this verse which should go before the one about everyone crying:
To Covent Garden I took my way Sorry I failed to read the original thread completely! -Aoife |
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19 May 00 - 08:07 AM (#230432) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST Aoife! You win! That's the one. As to Tynne of Harrow, different story, but a GREAT song, one of my favorites. Thanks to all. Larry |
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19 May 00 - 09:23 AM (#230467) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Barry Finn In some of the versions I've heard the name of Feilding, the same Ned Fielding Tyne buys his horse from? the place names a change but I believe that's only to protect the innocent, like Turner Green instead of Stephen's, he holds up Lord Lands(sp?) instead of Lord Golding & then he robs Lord Akinstone(sp?) he robs at Covent Gardens & instead of Lady Mansel he robs the Earl of Warren, & wwhere is Grosvenor Square? I think there's to many connections between the 2 to say they're not connected. Barry |
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19 May 00 - 09:29 AM (#230474) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Pete Peterson at work great song! I got my version from the Johnstons, who recorded it on vinyl around 1970 and it is very much as posted here. Thanks for reminding me |
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19 May 00 - 06:14 PM (#230765) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Aoife Glad to help. Actually, the tune printed in Colm O Lochlainns book is quite a variation on the tune that Solas uses, but hey, there's trad music for you. -Aoife P.S. Every fan of traditional street songs and ballads should get a hold of this book if they don't already have it! "Irish Street Ballads" and "More Irish Street Ballads" collected and annotated by Colm O Lochlainn |
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19 May 00 - 06:37 PM (#230776) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Murray MacLeod Hi Barry, the Fielding in the song refers to Lord Henry Fielding, London magistrate and author of well-known bawdy novel "Tom Jones". Incidentally IMHO the killer version of this song is by Sean Cannon. Murray
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19 May 00 - 06:56 PM (#230788) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Lesley N. Fielding was a fascinating man (author of Tom Jones too). There's a great page on him at Henry Fielding (http://www.incompetech.com/authors/fielding/) I have Flash Lad (http://www.contemplator.com/folk6/flashlad.html) at my site - the arrangement is from Barrett's English Folk-Songs (1891). |
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01 Aug 00 - 12:48 AM (#269197) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Just plain Mark again Does anyone know if "The Newry Highwayman" has an Australian version?
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01 Aug 00 - 03:06 AM (#269241) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Stewie Pete, the Johnstons version has been reissued on CD. It is from their 'Barley Corn' album which, together with 'The Johnstons' album, may be found on a single CD: The Johnstons 'The Johnstons/Barley Corn' Essential/Castle Communications ESM CD 410 - great stuff, great value. --Stewie. |
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01 Aug 00 - 09:44 AM (#269399) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Mrrzy The lyric "Nor lately caused anyone to fret" is "Nor any tradesman did I beset" in the Clancy Brothers version I have... |
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01 Aug 00 - 10:13 AM (#269422) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Lady McMoo There's also a fine version of this recorded by John Faulkner. Peace mcmoo |
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01 Aug 00 - 10:57 AM (#269449) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: MartinRyan In Ireland, "Alan Tyne of Harrow" became "Valentine O'Hara"! One of my favourite examples of the folk-process. Regards |
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01 Aug 00 - 07:45 PM (#269853) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Mark No Australian variant then? |
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01 Aug 00 - 11:38 PM (#270017) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Bruce O. I couldn't find an Australian version in Steve Roud's folk song index. In the index the song is #490, (Laws L12) and he indexes about 87 traditional versions (under a large number of titles), mostly from England and the USA and Canada, several from Scotland, and 1 or 2 from Ireland. He gives "The Wild and Wicked Youth" broadside the same number, but "The Jolly Blade" and "The Flash Lad" broadsides, although in in his broadside index, do not have numbers, so he didn't associate these two with any versions of the traditional song, even though Barrett's "The Flash Lad" is in the folk song index. I think this is probably a mistake, but comparison of each traditional text with each broadside, keeping tack of sameness and differences, would be a formidable task for this song alone, and clearly can't be done for such a huge index. That would be a good project for a separate study. The Bodley Ballads website also has a copy of "Valentine O'Hara", but I coundn't find "Allan Tyne of Harrow". This looks like it may be distantly related to "The Newry Highwayman", but it isn't his sweetheart who betrays him, and the ballad opens with quite different adventures than "The Newry Highwaynman" |
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02 Aug 00 - 01:04 AM (#270073) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Mark Thanks Bruce. Your help is much appreciated.
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02 Aug 00 - 05:41 AM (#270149) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Lady McMoo Alan Tyne of Harrow and the Newry Highwayman (or sometimes "Newry Town") are related in their content certainly but are two quite separate, and excellent, songs. Peace mcmoo |
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02 Aug 00 - 06:45 PM (#270617) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Jimmy C Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman Also from OLochlainn's"More Irish Street Ballads" see Aoife's responses above - There is another verse ( verse #3) that goes;
'Tis when my money it did grow low
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02 Aug 00 - 06:49 PM (#270623) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Jimmy C Sorry about that - 3rd verse goes
'Tis when my money it did grow low |
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02 Aug 00 - 07:34 PM (#270650) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Malcolm Douglas There's a rather good American version, Reckless Rambling Boy, sung by Allie Long Parker in Pleasant Valley Community, Eureka Springs, Arkansas on June 3, 1959, at the Max Hunter Folk Song Collection. Malcolm |
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02 Aug 00 - 10:38 PM (#270746) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: The Lighthouse Lyrics at www.makem.com Hit discography and then lyrics |
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31 Mar 04 - 08:28 AM (#1150886) Subject: Origins: Newry Highwayman From: freda underhill newry highwayman hi does anyone have any info about the historical origins of this song? i've checked the threads, but haven't been able to stumble across any known details of people/ events that may have inspired the song. can you help? freda |
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31 Mar 04 - 09:45 AM (#1150934) Subject: RE: Origins: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,MMario There is some discussion here seems the oldest versions are printed on broadsides. |
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31 Mar 04 - 11:17 AM (#1151022) Subject: RE: Origins: Newry Highwayman From: Flash Company The version I had was:- I never robbed any poor man yet, Nor any tradesman caused I to fret But I robbed lords and their ladies bright And carried their gold home to my heart's delight. This is the usual bandit cop out! Louis Armstrong had it right:- Robin Hood he robbed the rich, but I think you ought to know, He only robbed the rich 'cos the poor folk got no dough! Well they don't teach that in school! FC |
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31 Mar 04 - 02:46 PM (#1151179) Subject: RE: Origins: Newry Highwayman From: Q (Frank Staplin) This song has so many names that it is hard to keep them straight. One of the oldest versions is called "The Jolly Blade," which appears in broadsides dated 1802-1819 by the Bodley, Oxford. The oldest printings seem to be English but the 'blade' was born in Dublin. Mention of Fielding (see thread linked by MMario) suggests an 18th c. origin. Verses in some versions have been borrowed from "Buck's Elegy" or the "Unfortunate Rake," or v. v., and there are floaters from other songs about thieves and hangings as well. It has never been tied to any specific robber or event. |
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01 Apr 04 - 08:44 AM (#1151875) Subject: RE: Origins: Newry Highwayman From: freda underhill thanks very much for this MMario, Flash and Q. I have been enquiring on behalf of Chris Wheeler (award winning songwriter in Oz) who will be pleased - this is a real help. best wishes freda |
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01 Apr 04 - 01:19 PM (#1152111) Subject: RE: Origins: Newry Highwayman From: Q (Frank Staplin) I have posted an old version, "The Jolly Blade," in thread 68402: Jolly Blade |
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19 Dec 06 - 02:52 PM (#1913947) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Paddy the best version is called Newry Town, sung by John Faulkner. |
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20 Dec 06 - 03:51 AM (#1914455) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST 'Tisn't, The best version is Walter Pardon's 'Rambling Blade' with Harry Cox's 'Newlyn Town as a close second - all a matter of taste I suppose. Jim Carroll |
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20 Dec 06 - 10:27 PM (#1915338) Subject: Lyr Add: WILD 'PRENTICE BOY (trad. New Brunswick) From: GUEST,Julia My partner Fred got a version of this from his grandfather who worked in the woods here in Maine.It's called the Wild Prentice Boy. Unfortunately the old man had emphasema so the melody was lost, but Fred made a new one which his grandmother approved and has erecorded it on our album "Looking Home". Here are words THE WILD 'PRENTICE BOY (Trad. New Brunswick) collected by Fred Gosbee in 1969 from his grandfather, John West, who worked in the lumber woods My name is Edward Houlahan I was born in Erin's sunny isle My father bound me to a trade And they called me a flashing blade At sweet sixteen I took a wife I loved her as I loved my life To maintain her both wide and free I took to robbing on the king's highway I robbed Lord Darling I do declare I robbed Lady Welsh of her golden ware I robbed them both of their gold so bright And carried it off to my heart's delight I never robbed a poor man yet Or caused a tradesman for to quit But from the rich gave to the poor That's what brought me to this unhappy hour For now I am condemned to die And many a fair maid for me will cry But all their tears cannot pity me For yonder stands the gallows tree Let six bold robbers bury me Give them broad swords and free liberty Let six fair maidens bear my pall Give them white robes and pink ribbons all And when they speak let them speak the truth "Here lies a bold and undaunted youth!" |
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21 Dec 06 - 05:35 AM (#1915514) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Flash Company I always thought this was an interesting one! Mainly for how quickly he moved from Newry to London when he took up Highway Robbery,I can't remember who I heard it from, nor, indeed , can I remember all the words as I sang it, but I know I had verse three as.... I never robbed any poor man yet, Nor any tradesman caused I to fret, But I robbed Lords and their Ladies bright, And carried their gold home to my heart's delight. As it said in 'They don't teach that in School'... He only robbed the rich 'cos the poor folk got no dough! FC |
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21 Dec 06 - 06:47 AM (#1915567) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Shimrod According to a book that I read recently, about crime in Eighteenth Century England, many young men, like the protagonist of this song 'took to the highway' because of the apprenticeship system. Apprentices were bound to their masters for seven years, during which time the master fed, clothed and housed them in return for teaching them a trade. But if during that time the apprentice got a girl pregnant or got married ("at seventeen-o I took a wife and I loved her dearly as I loved me life")he broke the terms of his apprenticeship and could find himself out on the street. Sometimes the only way to survive and to support a family was a life of crime. |
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21 Dec 06 - 03:08 PM (#1915977) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: GUEST,Seiri Omaar Phil Cooper et al. do a version of Newry Highwayman. As does Brian Peters. |
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21 Dec 06 - 03:52 PM (#1916010) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: The Borchester Echo I think the 'wild and wicked youth' took to thieving because of his girlfriend's expensive shopping habit. Walter Pardon's Rambling Blade has got to be far and away the best version but I have a very soft spot for Tim Van Eyken doing Newry Town, mainly because there could scarcely be anyone more angelic-looking and less like a wild and wicked youth. |
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08 Dec 25 - 03:59 PM (#4232667) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Lighter "Darling Downs Gazette" (Toowoomba, Qld.), Aug. 11, 1879: Mr. Bouren sang, 'I was Brought up to the Saddling Trade.'" |
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08 Dec 25 - 04:49 PM (#4232669) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: The Sandman I liked Sean Cannons version, fine singer |
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09 Dec 25 - 07:41 AM (#4232706) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Lighter Great Perfomances: From Sabine Baring-Gould, "A Book of the West" (1899): "I was sitting in a little seaport tavern in Cornwall one winter's evening, over a great fire, with a company of very old 'salts,' gossiping, yarning, singing, when up got a tough old fellow with a face the colour of mahogany, and dark, piercing eyes, and the nose of a hawk. Planting his feet wide apart, as though on deck in a rolling sea, he began to sing in stentorian tones a folk-song relative to a highwayman in the old times, when Sir John Fielding, the blind magistrate at Westminster, put down highway robbery. "The ballad told of the evil deeds of this mounted robber of the highways, and of how he was captured by 'Fielding's crew' and condemned to die. It concluded: — When I am dead, borne to my grave, A gallant funeral may I have ; Six highwaymen to carry me, With good broad swords and sweet liberty. Six blooming maidens shall bear my pall, Give them white gloves and pink ribbons all; And when I'm dead they'll tell the truth, I was a wild and a wicked youth. "At the conclusion of each verse the whole assembly repeated the two final lines. It was a striking scene; their eyes flashed, their colour mounted, they hammered with their fists on the table and with their heels on the floor. Some, in the wildness of their excitement, sprang up, thrust their hands through their white or grey hair, and flourished them, roaring like bulls. "When the song was done, and composure had settled over the faces of the excited men, one of them said apologetically to me, 'You see, sir, we be all old smugglers, and have gone agin the law in our best days.'" (Ah! To be wild and wicked - and especially a youth!) |
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09 Dec 25 - 09:09 AM (#4232707) Subject: RE: Origins: Newry Highwayman From: Lighter Edward Bunting collected a version in Drogheda in 1803. The text is pretty much the familiar one, and the tune is easily recognizable as "The Croppy Boy." For some reason Bunting gives the title as "The Robber, or Charley Reilly." No Reilly (or anyone else) is mentioned in the lyrics. |
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09 Dec 25 - 04:11 PM (#4232727) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Newry Highwayman From: Lighter Adelaide Calvert (1836-1921), "Sixty-Eight Years on the Stage" (1911): "About that time [1845-50] we had a servant, a middle aged woman, who had a peculiar hobby. She had been for years a collector of street ballads. They were printed upon long narrow strips of paper, and sold in the streets by hawkers, who carried them, hoisted on high, affixed to T shaped pieces of wood, from which they fluttered like streamers. They were usually about a yard long, and were sold at the price of one halfpenny. I used to hear her crooning these whilst she was doing her work, and my childlike curiosity was at once aroused. We had several confidential chats about these lyrics, and one day she took me into her room and showed me her collection. There were rolls and rolls of them. Of course, I wanted to read them, and was allowed that privilege, but they were certainly not 'milk for babes.' There were a few nautical ballads, but the majority of them recounted tales of adventure—highway robbery—burglary—coining—and even a case or two of murder. Claude Duval, Gentleman Jack, Dick Turpin, and Jack Sheppard were some of the heroes. "With my aptitude for quick study, I committed a lot of these to memory, as I found them so extremely fascinating; but with the exception of a few disjointed lines, they have now completely faded from my remembrance. I can only recall one in its entirety, supposed to be written by a young gentleman sentenced to death, in a time when highway robbery was followed by the extreme penalty of the law. This poetic gem is, I think, worth quoting, as a curiosity. 'At seventeen I took a wife, I loved her dearly, as I loved my life, And, to maintain her both fine and gay, I went a-robbin’ on the 'ighway! "The gentleman evidently lived a dual life, as a verse later on says— 'I robbed much gold, I do declare, And got a place round by Grosvenor Square; I shut the shutters and bade them good-night, And then went home to my heart's delight.' "After which he proceeds as follows— 'To Covent Garden I went my way ?ll with my bloomin’ to see the play. There Fielding's gang did me pursue— Took unawares by that cursed crew!' Fielding, it may be mentioned, was the celebrated Bow Street detective. Some very modest requests are embodied in the last two verses. 'Oh! when I’m dead and in my grave, A decent funeral let me have: Six Highwaymen to carry me — Give them broadswords and sweet Liberty! 'Six blooming maids to bear my pall — Give them white gloves and ribbons all. And when I’m dead they’ll speak the truth - There's gone a wild and a wicked youth! "I can remember just a fragment of another ballad entitled 'On the Banks of Sweet Dundee'...." |