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04 Jul 00 - 12:43 PM (#251699) Subject: Leave them wanting more From: Alice My friend and mentor of opera fame, Suzanne Gorder, gave me sage advice when I first began to prepare for performing and for joining sessions and song circles. She told me it is always better to leave people wanting to hear you sing more rather than feeling they wish you would 'quit already'. Once I started participating in a session, I really was aware of how good this advice is. I have observed groups that have worked very well when the members are aware of sharing the spotlight. These good experiences come from either consciously going around a circle asking each person in turn what they want to sing or play, or just having a mix of people who are aware of the quiet ones and bringing them out to start a tune or song or perform a solo. I now am aware that people cringe when they see the person walk in who plays and sings too loud, who jumps in and takes over the session at every chance, and that it was good advice Suzanne gave me regarding knowing when to be quiet and when to quit.
We have covered this subject to some extent in session etiquette threads, but I think it applies to other areas of group activity as well. It applies to the internet in e-lists and forums when a little reserve (think it, then don't post it, ... write it, then delete it) can keep a person from diluting the impact of their voice by over-using it.
Any other thoughts on the subject of "less is more"? Alice |
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04 Jul 00 - 01:26 PM (#251718) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: The Shambles Good advice but I think if anyone comes out of one of these things, thinking that it all went well and feeling perfectly satisfied, they probably did not notice that anyone else was there.
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04 Jul 00 - 08:46 PM (#251874) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: The Shambles Alice
I wrote it then I deleted it.
I think everyone else has wisely taken your advice? (Smoles). |
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04 Jul 00 - 08:57 PM (#251878) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: kendall a mark of the amateur is not knowing when enough is enough. |
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04 Jul 00 - 10:36 PM (#251931) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: GUEST,Barfy Or in Shambles' case: Leave them wanting less |
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05 Jul 00 - 05:19 AM (#252067) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: The Shambles The (lack) of response to this one is probably quite understandable and reminds me of a Market Researcher I came across in the street once. She had what she thought was the ultimate first question. One which no matter how busy the people she asked were, they could not say NO to. Especially as she shouted it so that everyone passing would hear. The question was:…………. Do You use underarm deoderant? |
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05 Jul 00 - 08:25 AM (#252102) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: John in Brisbane Alice, I hadn't responded because I think your original post sums it up pretty well. The only other thing I'd add is to always prepare an encore, preferably not something you've already performed. Only do it if the audience is quite insistent - and then no more. As an economist/marketer would say - scarcity enhances perceived value. Regards, John |
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05 Jul 00 - 12:13 PM (#252203) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: The Shambles I think that most of the above is very true. It is more applicable though when the object IS to make the maximum impact, like a performance to an audience. It is less true for informal gatherings where most people there just want to play and sing. The trick then is probably to try involve as many people as possible when you play. To make your performance not to appear to be a performance? |
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05 Jul 00 - 11:04 PM (#252636) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: sophocleese Alice have you ever been to a Quaker meeting? The lees is more concept works very well there, however not a lot of people follow it teribly well. In my experience the worst are the compulsive summing-uppers. Those who cannot bear to leave any question still showing slight signs of life. Who must beat all whimsy into recognizable and proper Friendly terms. In short..... |
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05 Jul 00 - 11:29 PM (#252653) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: GUEST,The Old Fart I should like to thank everybody for all their worthwhile contributions. I believe that they were all worthy, and while I can't stress enough our need to look at these deep questions in great depth, I am just relieved that every conceivable angle has been well and truly measured, given a name, washed behind the ears, scalped on the backside (metaphorically, of course - That was just a little joke!!!!), and lovingly put to bed. And it was all done in that true spirit of solidarity and sister/brotherhood that we only find among our true friends here at the Mudcat. I want to thank you, thank you all. Thank you. I am truly humbled. I am actually. I think it goes back to when I was a child. But anyway, I digress. Story of my life actually. Mother always said I would turn out to be a digresser. Proved her right, didn't I? Well, anyway, Thank you once more. Thank you. |
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06 Jul 00 - 12:10 AM (#252666) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: catspaw49 I have a feeling that it isn't quite summed up yet is it? Spaw |
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06 Jul 00 - 12:21 AM (#252670) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: GUEST,The Old Fart Well, at least I had my say. Does anyone else's really matter when you can read such poetry as mine, for instance, along with all our merry Mudcatpersons, who also contribute a little bit themselves. I think our eyes should be open, and our hearts should be warm, and we should all sit here and graciously, lovingly, and with greastest respect (just to avoid any possible misunderstanding, you understand), gleefully look forward to the New Millenium with peace in our hearts, love in our breasts, and a plentiful supply of red herrings. Can anyone explain to me why this phenomenon is? Any takers? |
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06 Jul 00 - 12:26 AM (#252674) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: catspaw49 I think we all like herring. Spaw |
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06 Jul 00 - 12:30 AM (#252675) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: GUEST,The Old Fart Precisely Any one else? |
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06 Jul 00 - 12:35 AM (#252678) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: catspaw49 While we wait, could you toast me a couple of bagels? A little cream cheese too, if you don't mind. Goes well with the herring. Spaw |
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06 Jul 00 - 12:40 AM (#252681) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: GUEST,.gargoyle Back from....GOK...(god only knows)
SAGE ADVICE
The audience will
Therefore,....a.... 1,4,5.....AKA I,VI,V..... performed
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06 Jul 00 - 12:42 AM (#252682) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: GUEST,.gargoyle Dearest Shambles....
The "Lack of Responce" has brought me back |
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06 Jul 00 - 12:52 AM (#252686) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: GUEST,The Old Fart Yes, but how can we equate this to the relationship between the global increase in world crime, the ever undulant NASDAQ, and the butterfly flapping her/his wings in China? This is at the core of the matter, and farting over a couple of bagles with creamy cheese serves only to compound the argument. It's as futile as sitting outside a pub on your own playing the Trumpet hornpipe on a bouzouki. For this is where our search for truth finally ends. True Enlightenment At least it's better than staring at a wall for twenty years. Do we have any of those here? Wall starers? I was never quite convinced of it's efficacy. Stank of realism. |
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06 Jul 00 - 01:56 AM (#252707) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: Escamillo Good advice, Alice. Fortunately for me, I am never the only singer in a performance, I just sing a couple of songs or arias and leave, (many times as the last number *BG*) and then I always leave them wanting more. It is one of the advantages of not being a star (yet). (And being the last, wearing black clothes and leaving soon is another advantage to escape from any violent reaction) No joke, that´s a reason I prefer CDs that include several performers. Even the most perfect and enjoyable voice becomes boring after the 15th song. Un abrazo - Andrés |
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07 Jul 00 - 12:30 AM (#253252) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: sophocleese Old Fart, I never realized, is that how you spell NASDAQ? Hot Damn, things you learn on a Mudcat thread... I think that's why I likle to keep learning new stuff. I prefer people to keep wondering about what I'm going to sing next rather than sitting back knowing I'll be doing THAT song. its been tricky for me to learn that sometimes people really do want to hear the same song over again. Really tricky as I also like to hear the same song over again when I hear performers but I can never really believe that anybody wants to hear me sing again. The old perfectionist's double standard again I guess. |
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07 Jul 00 - 12:41 AM (#253256) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: GUEST I would be interested to hear what Shambles has to say about all this new stuff |
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07 Jul 00 - 12:49 AM (#253261) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: GUEST I feel confident that he will have more and it will be incomprehensible gibberish to we of only mortal gifts. |
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07 Jul 00 - 11:43 AM (#253462) Subject: RE: Leave them wanting more From: GUEST,Barfy But will he leave after that? |