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08 Jul 00 - 09:22 AM (#254037) Subject: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Peter T. I am getting a little sick of the modesty around here. As someone who has a lot to be modest about in the music department, and not usually prone to listening to others talk about what great things they are up to, this is an unusual request: BUT COULD WE HAVE SOME OWN HORNTOOTING AROUND HERE OCCASIONALLY?? I note that buried deep in some thread, tucked away as a throwaway that Dave Swan (Oak, Ash, and Thorn) is doing the national anthem at a major league baseball game today!!!!!! That is incredible!! I further note (as I have politely buried in another note) that Rick Fielding is sharing the main stage at the Mariposa Festival with Gordon Lightfoot and Stacey Earle tonight!!!! This is not chicken liver either. There are other catters like sophocleese at the same venue, who are going to be thrilling audiences of many, many people. I haven't got time to work through others, but there was another thread about a month ago, when something was going on, and buried in it someone casually says, Oh yeah, they are the headliners at this big deal. You would have to be a detective to find this out (I know there is a new schedule thread, but still) at this site. I notice this all the time -- could we get a little more bragging around here, or is that some mystic self-deprecating folk rule I am breaking? I am joking somewhat, but really. I would like to say flat out that when people write here about concerts they have done and that it went well and whatever, I am thrilled for them, and feel that they are sharing this thrill a little with me, a total outsider. I guess it could go too far, but at the moment, it is occasionally like getting blood out of a stone. Come on people, share your triumphs with us: we are here for the bad stuff too, but come on: what great thing have you done, or are about to do? yours, Peter T. |
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08 Jul 00 - 10:37 AM (#254062) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Liz the Squeak I'm starring in St Martin's church, Plaistow tomorrow morning, 11.00am..... if anyone is interested..... That's the Plaistow in London, not any of the others... LTS |
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08 Jul 00 - 11:05 AM (#254068) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: IanC I think people don't like to brag, especially within a family, which is what mudcat is like. I'm personally very pleased 'cos I'd rather have a natural conversation with someone who might be the world's leading expert on Mouth Music (for example). We've all got our own talents. Reminds me of a recent thread where we were asked who we thought the world's best guitarist was. My thoughts (kept to myself) were that he/she was probably some flamenco player in a village in Spain we'd never heard of. If that's so, who else has the right to boast about it? I'm not saying I'm not glad that people are doing really nice things but I really like the fact that I don't have it shoved down my throat all the time. By the way, I'm doing a performance of Plain Bob Triples to an audience of thousands in Godmanchester, Huntingdon, England tonight.
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08 Jul 00 - 11:16 AM (#254075) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: WillH (inactive) I'd sure like to know where people are performing, too. On the otherhand, I do understand about performers wanting to be able to talk about things as "just people", and I think that it would be bad if people here started to feel like that had to have their "On Stage" persona out when they posted here. |
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08 Jul 00 - 11:33 AM (#254082) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: bbelle Peter ... I've thought the same and I glad you brought it to the forefront. The What's Going On thread does point to some of this but not to the core. I knew Rick was performing today but didn't know he was sharing the stage with GL. I really wish I could be there ... moonchild |
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08 Jul 00 - 11:40 AM (#254084) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Big Mick This is a tough one. Generally when one "brags" they are looking for acceptance in the larger group. Here at Mudcat, acceptance comes so easy that it eliminates the need. If you were to examine the accomplishments/venues played of Dan and Bonnie Milner, Rick Fielding,Art Thieme, and Sandy & Caroline Paton alone you would be very impressed. These people are mainstays in and cornerstones of Folk Music. Yet they are also real people and real friends here on the Mudcat. Dig a little deeper into the threads and you see that Barry Finn is singing at a function for the Governor of his state. El Swanno, as a member or Oak, Ash and Thorn, opened for one of the truly legendary trad groups in the world. If one were to dig deeper into the denizens of our village, they would find many more. I guess I agree, Peter T., that there is more to us than that which we profess. But I kind of like it that in order to understand the depth of talent here, one must care enough to dig in and realize what a gift we receive when we get advice from these folks. Isn't that the beauty of the Mudcat? I can continue to perfect my craft at the cyber knee of some very accomplished performers. And if I am willing to extend meself a bit, they even become close friends. Don't git no better than that. All the best, Big Mick |
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08 Jul 00 - 11:50 AM (#254089) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: catspaw49 This place is populated by a wonderful group of people and one of the charms that draws us together is the lack of horn blowing that goes on. I do understand the point Peter is trying to make though and its well taken. Hopefully Bert's new "What's Up" will help some, but on the issue of downplaying talent, I fear there is nothing to be done...thankfully. From conversation with Dave, I know some of the background of Pam Swan for instance. I don't need to hear her to appreciate the monstrous talent she has. Her formal training alone is quite awesome and is enough to answer any questions I might have. But Pam downplays all of that as do most others around here regarding their own gifts. When I listen to Rick's albums I can barely believe this is the same guy I know and love here at the 'Cat.....but it is, and that is perhaps the greatest charm which this place holds. But since we are all friends and family here, I too would like to hear more of what others have going on and would hope that this place allows them to express themselves freely without fear of being thought of as "braggers" or whatever. And that includes other areas too such as business and family. We have some really well connected and well known people around here in areas outside of music and there's nothing wrong with a little "tooting" about that too! Now let me tell you about my genitals....... Spaw |
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08 Jul 00 - 12:02 PM (#254094) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Thomas the Rhymer I can't tell you all of the gladness I feel In words or in song, but the feeling is real For flowers on high do not themselves see so, in vases of freindships,... escape vanity |
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08 Jul 00 - 12:09 PM (#254100) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Mrrzy Peter, you're so right. But it isn't bragging I'd be looking for, but news - reportage, quoi. If you are going to be performing somewhere, as headliner or chorus member, please do let the Mudcat know! Perhaps someone might be in the area... and if anyone cares about how it went, they will ASK, and at that point saying it was great and Gordon Lightfoot asked me to teach him my version of Oh Sole Mio or whatever isn't bragging anyway, it's answering someone's actual interest! And there will be tons of it! And if it goes badly and poor Gordon has to have you bounced, who will be more sympathetic and leave the teasing till you can stand it than your family? |
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08 Jul 00 - 12:53 PM (#254119) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: kendall Sorry, this sort of thing is just not done in New England. I've had numerous luck breaks in my life, and, I've known some wonderful well known performers. I can answer questions, but, any more that that is hard for me to do. |
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08 Jul 00 - 01:44 PM (#254141) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: katlaughing Ahyup....Kendall, darlin', your rep precedes you...*bg* but we still luvya! I agree Peter and aslo with Catspaw and Mick...it is the beauty of Mudcat and I would like to hear more news....I love to see someone's name in a thread about their radio show being on or a concert they are doing or even playing in the dirt with Martha Stewart:-). One or a few of us just might be in the area...who knows? Some of the diffidence these wonderful people have, like Sandy, Caroline, Rick, Art, etc., IMO, is what makes them such real people and rock-solid friends...but, I think it is fun to share in their triumphs, too. It would also be nice to hear more from others about what they do in their own realms of expertise, such as you, PeterToot-Your-Own-for-a-change, too! I think we are enough of a family/community here that we can share such things, too...twins being born next Feb. comes to mind. Thanks, kat
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08 Jul 00 - 01:49 PM (#254142) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: JenEllen Not just New England, I'm afraid. That sort of thing really doesn't happen among friends. I see the little buried bits that people share as a sort of "Hey, guess what happened to me..". Your friends go "Wow, lucky break, ya bastard..couldn't happen to a nicer gal/guy", grin and pat you on the back, proud as hell for you. The flip side is the person who runs around constantly shouting "LOOKEE WHAT I CAN DO!!" (you've met them, the woman who acts like she's the only one who's ever been pregnant, like he's the only guy who's ever been on the same stage as Gordon Lightfoot, etc..) Here we're lucky to have more than our share of talented people who prefer to assume the former. I don't see it as modesty, false or otherwise. I see it as people who enjoy their lives, enjoy sharing, and don't mind when I grin and say "Lucky break.." ~Elle |
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08 Jul 00 - 02:11 PM (#254145) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Peter T. Well, I agree with Mick (as always) that this is a tough one, and I wrestled with this for awhile before putting it up, and then I thought what the hell. But I should not have used the word "bragging". That was a mistake. It sent the wrong signal. I think "news" is a better term, as suggested. I am very appreciative of how modest people are here, and not swaggering around, which I love. And I know that some people here have been very careful not throwing their weight around, which is also deeply to be respected. But I just felt that we should be hearing more about what the fine people here are doing, and sometimes from them. As kat says, it doesn't have to be in music -- a whole tavern thread was launched by someone who got a new job! Some of the best threads here have been about people discovering the Patons or hearing kendall or an Art Thieme record for the first time. It is a thrill. I am a fan - I can't help it. Anyway, I apologise if I was out of line. It just got to me when I read the bit about the national anthem from pj -- and I heard about it in person two weeks ago. I mean is that neat, or is that neat? yours, Peter T. |
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08 Jul 00 - 03:03 PM (#254154) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: JenEllen No apology necessary Peter. It IS neat. |
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08 Jul 00 - 03:07 PM (#254155) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: p.j. The way I see it, Gordon Lightfoot is lucky to have Rick, the Coppers and the A's were lucky to have Oak Ash & Thorn, and we're all lucky to have Catspaw's genitals. Seeing our friends and loved ones do things we're proud of is a thrill, partly because we want the world to know how good they are and, to be honest, partly because it feels so good to see somebody you love being the center of attention, and know that they're also a friend of yours. Thanks to BS threads, I know a side of Rick Fielding (warped though it may be) that makes me love him. I don't know Gordon Lightfoot, he may be a fine fellow, but I don't know his sense of humor, his worries, his condom preference...I don't know the depths he will stoop to for a bad pun or the issues he will rise to when somebody touches a subject he feels strongly about. But I know these things about Rick and others around here, because we spend time together sharing mindless drivel *as well as* interesting musical information. So I'm tickled about Mariposa for Rick, because he gets to do something cool, but I'm also excited because I know that Lightfoot and Mariposa are lucky to have the likes of him. Last night I stood on the A's playing field (next to Joe Garigiola, for cryin' out loud) and listened to the boys do their sound check over the Coliseum speakers. I was *so* knocked out to hear the sound that I'm used to hearing around my dining table filling a stadium like that. Afterward I snuggled up to Dave and said, "It just occured to me that lots of our friends are bringing dates tonight, but *my* date's singing the national anthem!" I'm with you, Peter. I want to know about Mariposa, and when Mick plays the Caulder stage, and when Catspaw gets a standing ovation at the urologist's office. All the great moments in our friends' lives are great moments for us, too, for lots of reasons, and I want to be there if I can, and at least know it's happening if I can't. And (sorry 'Spaw) I don't think size is the most important thing, either. I had a gig recently in a small club for only about 80 people, but I was playing with a great fiddler I had always wanted to work with, and doing Mouth Music for dancers that were really loving it. It was one of the best times I've ever had on stage, even though it wouldn't count as front-page material anywhere. I want to know about those kinds of experiences when other folks have them, as well as the big stuff. Okay, so some folks aren't comfortable talking about themselves or their accomplishments. That's fair. But at least put up a little post to say it's happening, and let us ask you more about it. Or if you went to another 'Catter's gig, give us a review so we can enjoy feeling like we were there and celebrate their success with them. Okay, I'll shut up now. Liz, how did the London gig go? Ian, tell us more about Huntingdon! Peter, twins? Love to you all PJ
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08 Jul 00 - 03:12 PM (#254156) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: JenEllen could'na put it better PJ. And thanks for the update on the anthem! |
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08 Jul 00 - 03:40 PM (#254164) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: catspaw49 Well geeziz Peej........That was really well put and I think EXACTLY what Peter, Mick, kat, JE, and I had in mind. I dunno' what Kendall has in mind, but neither does he, so screw it. GREAT POST!!! And I totally agree that size doesn't matter as most are impressed simply with the exquisite beauty and symmetry of the entire "package." BTW, did they replace home plate without too much delay? Spaw |
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08 Jul 00 - 03:42 PM (#254165) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Peter T. now if we could just get them to do O Canada instead of that piece of War of 1812 propaganda!(joke!) yours, Peter T. |
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08 Jul 00 - 04:31 PM (#254179) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: katlaughing Oh, p.j., well said! I TOTALLY agree that Lightfoot and Mariposa are really blessed for having "our" Rick there. Peter, no apologies necessary. I was just thinking today or what an elegant and genteel catalyst you are for all of us..you, dear friend, bring out the best in all of us. P.J., I was just using the twins thing as an example, not pointing directly to Peter...I can't tell if you had your TIC with that one or not, but if you go to the What's On thread which Bert maintains you will see a catter and his wife are indeed expecting twins. Now...when are we going to get to hear you in Hearme OR on Mudcat radio???!!! And, that is totally RAD about your honey...goodonelswanno!!! And, not news, quite yet, but might as well start the ball rolling, some of the kind souls who swell my head and heart in HearMe are spurring me on to make a CD of lullabyes, so...I am open to suggestions. I have a few in mind and am not sure, really, of how many to include...anyway....holler if'n any of ya think of a special one or two, okay? Thanks, kat |
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08 Jul 00 - 04:40 PM (#254180) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Jon Freeman Hang about, I taught Fielding every thing he knows :-) Jon (who would be delighted to have a fraction of Ricks knowledge/ability) |
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08 Jul 00 - 04:46 PM (#254181) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: katlaughing LMAO...good one, Jon!! Wouldn't we all!! |
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08 Jul 00 - 04:54 PM (#254187) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: p.j. OH! (doiyoing!) Thanks Kat, I was indeed having a blonde moment. I read your post as an announcement of PeterT's impending twinnage and got all excited. Duh. I actually had noticed the good news on the What's On thread as well but didn't make the connection. It's nice to have your friends interpret for you. :o) As for HearMe, my computer with a sound card met a tragic end a couple of weeks ago, and I brought a laptop home from work that is hearing-impaired. It's keyboard is also quite finiky, so it's a little like trying to send messages through Hellen Keller. I'll use the proceeds from my next million-dollar gig to buy a new computer and get on HearMe. By then you'll all need hearing aids and it will be called HearWHAT? Same technology impediment relates to Mudcat radio, but as long as this is the hornblowing thread, allow me to gush like a schoolgirl over the fact that I got to play that famous radio theme Catspaw's Rag with Sir Fielding himself at the first annual Toronto Catter's Gathering and Rhododendron Stomping Festival last month. Twice! I kept thinkin' "Cheez, I'm sittin' here playing with Rick Fielding. I'm playing Catspaw's Rag with Rick for-cryin-out-loud Fielding." If I can play with that boy again before I die I'll be a happy gal. Kattie, dear, do you know the Irish lullaby Seothin Seo? It would be a lovely addition to your CD. And congratulations, you GO girl! PJ |
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08 Jul 00 - 04:58 PM (#254189) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Amergin Kinda surprised your laptop doesn't have a sound card in it. I hear fine with mine.... Amergin |
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08 Jul 00 - 05:08 PM (#254195) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: katlaughing Why, thank yew, Miz P.J.....I do not know it, but will seek it out. Sorry about your laptop thingie...I kind of gathered that in the last HearMe, but thought you'd said somethng about having something two weeks from now...geez, ya 'spose Joe G. would've forked over a little if he'd heard YOU in the ballpark and knew you needed to share that talent with us all? I am sure he'd got the moolah! Amergin is right..it is rather a suprise. Banjo Bonnie ahd a terrible time with her laptop, had an expert come over and try to join us and nuttin', then one day, about two weeks ago, she just told her god that she realy, really wanted to do that and voila! She was in like Flynn and singing and plucking' for us. There is talk of the Laptop Miracle of Toronto and I hear there was a queue at her building the other day, but ya know the Pope just ain't interested! just goes to show ya...we Mudders know where the real miracles happen!**BG** lauvyakat |
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08 Jul 00 - 05:17 PM (#254199) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: catspaw49 Well this is all well and good, but let me tell you about Joe Smackers and the Boulder Twins........... Spaw |
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08 Jul 00 - 06:16 PM (#254223) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: JenEllen The lullaby CD idea sounds fantastic! I'll send you a copy of Seothin Seo! Elle |
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08 Jul 00 - 06:25 PM (#254226) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Sorcha WARNING: Horn Tooting Here--I got to open for Turtle Creek about 3 years ago, and almost got to open for 3 Dog Night last summer, but the promoters decided that the 3 Dog crowd might not appreciate Old Joe Clark........(yea, I know, very few of you have heard of Turtle Creek. I jammed with Frankie Gavin of DeDannan once......):) |
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08 Jul 00 - 06:27 PM (#254227) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: katlaughing Thanks, Elle! Spaw, you and me need ta go out back in the garden with the faeries; kick up the litter a little, spread it around, make it look real nice and neat...then maybe people will wanna have a little "Show and Tell" withya, darlin'...that's right, c'mon now...by the way...have you heard from Cletus and them boys lately? |
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09 Jul 00 - 12:58 AM (#254381) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Escamillo Oh, I've been thrown out of so many important places.. With the choir, this year I'll be ejected from the Colón Theatre in November and some other places in Buenos Aires and Córdoba too. As soloist, this year I´ll try new traditionals and spirituals at the Borges Cultural Center with maestro Ciriglianos' piano and jazz band, causing some formal protest from the USA and UK embassies and may be a denial of a weaver from the Int.Monetary Fund to Argentina. (My father told me, if you're gonna screw it up, do it big) :)) Un abrazo - Andrés |
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09 Jul 00 - 01:22 AM (#254391) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: mg o.k...it is my birthday today or tomorrow depending on where you are....July 9...I believe it is Art's too.. mg |
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09 Jul 00 - 01:30 AM (#254395) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: katlaughing Oh, geez, Mary, thank you! Watch for a thread coming your way! *hits self on head* How could I have missed that!? Andres....LMAO!! you go! kat |
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09 Jul 00 - 08:53 AM (#254486) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Peter T. Hey, Andres, that is great. I was wondering how it was all going. The Borges Centre! Is that the one named after Borges, or the one named after the person who read everything Borges wrote and dedicated his life to being able to reproduce Borges spontaneously? I have friends in the IMF so I will put in a mollifying word for you! yours, Peter T. P.S. I am not twins. The fact that I have half of a broken amulet around my neck is simply to arouse suspicion. |
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09 Jul 00 - 10:52 AM (#254515) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: GUEST,guest I'd like to open for Joe Smackers and the Boulder Twins! |
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09 Jul 00 - 12:13 PM (#254545) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Liz the Squeak Well, for those interested, the solo gig turned into a 7 piece choir for the first time in about 6 weeks and the lesson for today which I was down to read was 2 Corinthians 12.2-10: (5) On behalf of such a one I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknessess. That's me down a peg or six today then!! LTS |
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09 Jul 00 - 12:25 PM (#254553) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: p.j. Who says the Mudcat gods don't have a sense of humor? :o) Congratulations anyway, Liz-- we'll boast aboucha... PJ |
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09 Jul 00 - 12:33 PM (#254555) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Liz the Squeak To continue the lesson: (10) Therefore I am content with weaknessess, insults, hardships, persecutions and calamities..... Guess St Paul was a melodeon player too....... LTS duckingandrunningforcoveragain...... |
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09 Jul 00 - 01:45 PM (#254590) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: GUEST Well Shambles is the epitome of modesty. He recently completed his first full length motion picture and kept it a secret from all of us. Managed to located this flyer for it. |
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09 Jul 00 - 02:05 PM (#254601) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: GUEST, Burke I didn't read this over enough before I had to read it for the congregation. Right after (5) above was (6) "But if I wish to boast, I will not be a fool, for I will be speaking the truth. But I refrain from it ..." I'm not normally a St. Paul basher, but this after all the in or out of the body clauses, almost cracked me up. |
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09 Jul 00 - 02:52 PM (#254629) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: TheOldMole I've always tiptoed very gingerly around the edge of the folk music community, although I like the music, and I like a lot of the people in it, because it's always struck me that there's an impenetrable snobbishness to it. Here's a guy who says, gosh, I'd love to be your friend and hear about what you're doing...I'd love to be a little part of your world, and the answer he gets is No chance, fella. You can't be. You are too uncool. Real friends don't tell each other what they're doing, or if anything good is happening to them? It's not that way in the rest of the world, even in the non-folk sections of New England. |
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09 Jul 00 - 03:46 PM (#254653) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: p.j. Easy there, Molie dear. I think Kendall's words were simply that it's "hard for me" to talk about news in which he's the star, not that Peter's uncool for wanting to know about it. He also offered to answer questions if we wanted to ask. I agree with you that friends should let each other know about good things happening to them, and one of the nice things about the friends you make here is that they'll find out how you're comfortable telling your good news, and let you do it your way. Sometimes, because they love you, they'll also tease, goad, chide, cajole and noogie you into telling. :o) Peter's post (of pickled peppers) was a great example of that, and Kendall's response shows he's willing to be drawn out. I know what you mean about feeling put-off by snobbishness, it's hard to approach a group of people who seem to have something in common but aren't very welcoming about new folks joining in. But I've often mistaken people for being snobbish when really they were either shy or quiet-natured, or insecure themselves about getting to know new people. That's hard to remember when the person is so obviously talented, you think all that confidence you hear in the music translates to confidence in social skills, too, but it ain't always so. Of course there are genuine snobs, for sure. But I'd hate for you to miss out on some potentially great folk experiences because of writing off the whole community to snobbishness. You said there were some folks in it that you liked, what about them made you feel welcomed? PJ |
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09 Jul 00 - 04:03 PM (#254657) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Peter T. OldMole, I have been in the same situation -- put off by the folk aura until I luckily landed here. I think there is a strange thing about the folk scene which has something to do with the fact that there are all kinds of talent levels in "folk", and so there is this protective mix of "invite everyone in for a song" and very generous rhetoric about community, and yet within that there are natural differences based on competence. And there are people doing it professionally and others who aren't. It has exclusionary and inclusionary rules that are very complicated, based on a shifting set of elements that include ability, friendliness, extroversion, introversion, sharing, "getting the idea", etc. I have begun to handle it by looking at it sociologically or anthropologically, but I can't pretend to have the hang of it at all. Compare it with, oh I don't know, people who play the classical piano, and you can see how informal and blurry the boundaries of the folk scene are in contrast. A sense of humour seems to be the big thing (as in most things in life). yours, Peter T. P.S. It also helps if you play mouth music like Louis Armstrong's daughter. |
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09 Jul 00 - 04:12 PM (#254663) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: TheOldMole PJ - I live in Woodstock, NY, and went to Bard College as a young sprat, and so have been surrounded by folkies all my life, and I absolutely don't mean to attack, as a whole, a group among which I have many friends. |
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09 Jul 00 - 04:43 PM (#254670) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: GUEST,Wesley S at Home I have been totally immodist lately when I've been bragging about the twins my wife and I are expecting in February. It's not the largest audience in the world but I'll be very content with singing lullabies for two. |
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09 Jul 00 - 05:08 PM (#254682) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: p.j. Peter, I'm inclined to believe that the "blurry boundaries of the folk scene" that you've experienced may be a result of what sociologists refer to as "the Guiness effect". Alsa, don't sprake zarathustra about classical piany pickers, it damps my spirits and gets me all keyed up so I can't b natural. Besides, they're just cranky from hauling those concert grands around to Irish sessions, then being told to sit behind the stinkin' bodhran section. They can't make any money busking on streetcorners, cause the spare change keeps jammin' up the strings when people throw it in your box. And don't even get me started on the straps it takes to carry one of these things around your neck. You'd feel snubbed too, if you spent hours on a subway with your Steinway, then nobody will let you play even *one* little Rachmaninoff concerto, they say it's not "Irish enough". Pulezze. I think it's really just a case of pianist envy. But I digress.... Peej |
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09 Jul 00 - 05:25 PM (#254688) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Allan C. I suppose it would be fair to say that I have met quite a few 'Catters. One thing that I noticed about most of them was that they were usually quite a lot more talented than anyone (who didn't already know better) would have been led to believe from their postings. But there is another side to this horn-tooting thing that is difficult to describe but which I saw first-hand. There are 'Catters out there who have done some marvelous gigs and shared venues with some "big name" artists. But I fully believe that, while our Mudcat friends might have been personally thrilled by the experience, they honestly don't see how anyone else would be interested in hearing about it. The event becomes little more than "something that happened to me once". Personally I would be far more likely to tell you that I shared a stage with BeauDangles than I would to tell you that I opened for Billy Ed Wheeler (the latter being a complete lie!). I really think folks might find the former more interesting. I guess my overall suspicion is that the only one who really cares about that second sort of thing are the kind of folks I would be unlikely to share it with. I think, as Mrrzy pointed out, it would be far more interesting to be able to tell you about the time Melanie took the time to teach me the chords to "Candles In the Rain" and what a generous, sweet person she was to meet and how she let me borrow her capo when mine lost its grip (yet another fabrication for the sake of illustration). I mean, if I could give you a little insight into the PERSON rather than just add to the hype you have already read or heard - well, that would be worth repeating. Of course, maybe this is all somewhat subjective since you 'Catters are the most famous people I have ever met. But I am not sure I could be made to feel otherwise. |
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09 Jul 00 - 11:15 PM (#254856) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Escamillo Yes, the Borges Centre was named after a reader who swears having read the complete works of Borges ! Could be because he wrote his best works in English. Well, I can't complain, because the only place where I write lately, is a USA forum site, in English. Could be a starting point ? Un abrazo - Andrés |
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10 Jul 00 - 09:57 AM (#255058) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: GUEST I'll be appearing nightly on my front porch, weather permitting, in a long running engagement...thrilling audiences of squirrels and birds with my phenomenally crappy rhythm accompaniment to recorded cassettes on boom box of such legends as Hank Williams, John Prine and McCutcheon, Si Kahn, and (a new addition to my repertoire)the greatest hits of Miss Patsy Cline. |
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10 Jul 00 - 01:43 PM (#255174) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Liz the Squeak There are 'Catters out there who have done some marvelous gigs and shared venues with some "big name" artists. I've slept in the same bed as Martin Carthy, Sid Kipper and Les Barker - does that count?? LTS! |
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10 Jul 00 - 01:46 PM (#255177) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Mike Regenstreif LTS, I think it would depend on whether Martin, Sid and Les were in the same bed at the same time. Mike Regenstreif |
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10 Jul 00 - 03:20 PM (#255234) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Willie-O No way I'm gonna touch that one. Whaddaya call it, serial polygamy? Allan your fictitious encounter with Melanie was far more gratifying than my real one...she wandered into my wife's craft booth at Winnipeg FolkFest (after closing time) and was rather rude and dismissive of Molly's beautiful batik/silkscreen designs...her kids were nice though. The thing is, I think reasonable modesty is one of the Cat's charms. Some of us are very highly accomplished, some like myself are experienced underachievers, some are new to the music scene. We all learn from each other, and the quality of the Mudcat is the quality of our postings, which could be formulated as a combination of knowledgeability, respect, sincerity and thoughtfulness towards others. (Except maybe Spaw who is in a category by himself but always gives me a good laugh. I hope he parodies me someday...then I'll have made it.) I share Peter's feeling that we should feel free to speak of and promote our projects and achievements--I certainly do. But I prefer to think there are no stars here, except as we see them shining. Know what I mean? Willie-O
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10 Jul 00 - 03:35 PM (#255246) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: katlaughing OH, WillieO, well said!! A gentleman and a scholar! Not sure if that part ownership thing'll do ya much good though....too many possible-fer-sure-maybes!!*BG* |
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10 Jul 00 - 04:27 PM (#255269) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Bert ME! Modest! Never! I'm the greatest! Oh, and while we're talking lullabies here's the best one ever! *BG* Bert. |
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10 Jul 00 - 05:25 PM (#255311) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: p.j. Oh-Willie-OH....you have put it beautifully. "Experienced underachiever" is a *great* phrase, and my new favorite WO wisdom..."there are no stars here except as we see them shining." In my book you are definately one of them, dearie. One of your posts to another thread begs a bit of bragging about Molly-O, does she have a website for her batik, or is there some other way for us to see her work? PJ |
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10 Jul 00 - 05:55 PM (#255342) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: katlaughing Yeah, good question, p.j.!! Bert, darlin', thanks, you are right and I love your lully..how about sending me a midi of the tune. I know I've heard you sing it on the radio, but I don't have it fixed in me head. T'anks! kat |
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10 Jul 00 - 07:29 PM (#255399) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: The Shambles I am with Allan and Willie-O. Can we keep on with the modesty please.
I spent the Sunday afternoon in a pub session at a small village folk festival. There were all sorts of people, tastes and abilities. Most of them were unknown to me and most to each other. There were the usual awkward moments but no one 'hogged' it and there was a general respect by and for everyone there. The music was very varied and enjoyable……. Then the 'star' walked in.
I have no idea who he was and I do not wish to. He gave me the impression however that I should know. He sat in the middle of the session and proceeded to take control. He played flute but borrowed a guitar to sing a song and instructed a fiddle player to play a break. The fiddle player was reluctant and said he did not know the melody but was told that by the 'star' that he would hum it for him, during the song. Which he did, loudly.
He gave the definite impression that he could play all of the instruments there far better than those that were playing them and had the effect of inhibiting all present by looking at what they were playing and sighing.
He told the guitar player who was sitting next to me and playing very tastefully, that he should be playing an A minor. The guitar player took this very well, I thought.
He appeared quite surprised at my reaction? Our music is about enjoyment and playing well, yes but it is not really about stars…………. I vote to keep on with the modesty please? |
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10 Jul 00 - 08:33 PM (#255447) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Mrrzy Sorry, I am going to post about something good that happened to me this weekend. Some of you may have seen me write that after that one song with Bill and Allan at the very start of their adventure, I realized I wasn't afraid to sing in public any more (poor public, I can hear Allan now - he's heard me sing before but only amongst family), so I thought maybe I'd start. Then this weekend, I spent about 30 hours at one of those hippie-esque 3-day big-vats-of-salad and/or whole roasting animals and who wears clothes in or near the pond anyway kind of things. With bonfire the first night (I missed it) and smaller fire the second night. I knew, vaguely, roughly one and a half people - the host and his wife and neonate. The other maybe 50-60 I'd never even seen, but as you may surmise it was a fun and easy-going crowd, many cavers, about to be my new hobby, I think. Anyway, long around 2 am around the smaller fire, there were drummers, and people kept starting to sing songs I knew, and forgetting the words. Now most of these words, if I didn't already know them, I'd looked up here, so I started singing along but ended up with them asking me to sing the song all the time. And they they thanked me, either for singing it better than they could or for knowing the words they'd forgotten, depending on the individual. And they asked for more songs... I had a BLAST. I want to do it again. Soon. It was news to me... |
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11 Jul 00 - 12:37 AM (#255539) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Willie-O OK, to refine my position a bit, no one really needs to sing their own praises around here, folks are pretty generous (and persistent) with appropriate complimentation if you give them half a chance to hear you. (and Bert is clearly the greatest.) People who are constantly told that they're the greatest thing since real bagels, that they are "the conscience of their generation", etc.etc., well it changes them and not for the better. I've seen these changes in some friends who I had previously known as unpretentious, and now are just excessively full of themselves to their obvious detriment if they could but see themselves _which they can't_. The main problem seems to be that they lose their ability to be self-critical. However there is a delicate balance between self-critical and self-denigrating and I get upset at hearing too much of the latter. (Has to do with my in-laws actually, who believe that tone-deafness is (a) real and (b) a family characteristic. I have really had to fight against my kids adopting that belief set.) It's self-fulfilling prophecy--I think we should be confident of our own ability. As for Molly's artwork, unfortunately I don't think there's any on the web at the moment and she's not really doing batik these past four years or so...long story (she has a real job now) OK not that long. But maybe in the next year or so I hope--her stuff is really made-for-the-web colours. Willie-O
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11 Jul 00 - 09:49 AM (#255663) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Peter T. Great stuff, Mrrzy! I have learned this too -- almost everybody knows the songs to hear them, but almost nobody knows the words beyond the chorus. I think this is a real entry card!! (Nice bit of courage too) yours, Peter T. |
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11 Jul 00 - 11:24 AM (#255704) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: Art Thieme |
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11 Jul 00 - 01:27 PM (#255789) Subject: RE: Could We Stop the Modesty Please? From: GUEST,Mrr Thanks Peter! It STILL feels great! I keep getting these big grins for no reason, I've got at least one colleague who doesn't think you can get that kind of day-after smile from just singing... |
