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01 Aug 00 - 03:50 PM (#269678) Subject: Lammas From: Hollowfox A happy and blessed Lammas to all! May your weather be good, your crops bountiful, and your harvest easy. I know that this was a Christian holiday in medieval Europe, but I couldn't find anything to verify that it's still a part of the church calendar. Is it still on the official schedule, so to speak? (Me, I celebrate any holiday I can lay my little hands on.) Good Harvest to all, Mary |
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01 Aug 00 - 04:04 PM (#269690) Subject: RE: Lammas From: katlaughing Wow, Mary, thanks! Didn't even dawn on me that we've already reached August! I hope I have something to harvest...seems as though the whole season has drifted by in a haze of health challenges...mayhap this will signal the time to continue to reap improvements. Merry and bountiful harvest to all. Blessed be, kat |
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01 Aug 00 - 04:32 PM (#269709) Subject: RE: Lammas From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny What's Lammas? Something like Harvest Home? |
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01 Aug 00 - 04:38 PM (#269713) Subject: RE: Lammas From: MMario Lammas derives from an Old English word meaning "Loaf Mass" - it was a celebration of the first fruits of the grain harvest. |
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01 Aug 00 - 04:50 PM (#269720) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Mbo Cool, just yesterday my Mom went outside and picked some beautiful gourds from a plant that had sprouted from old gourd seeds we had thrown out there. We had never noticed the plant before, and then one day BOOM there were these perfect bright yellow & green striped gourds. Really amazing. --Matt |
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01 Aug 00 - 05:41 PM (#269753) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Liz the Squeak Gourd mass doesn't have quite the same ring to it, but have a good one! Lammas is not officially part of the church calendar any more, mind you, harvest is becoming less and less a part of it now, similarly, Rogationtide is more or less defunct as well. It seems that with more and more food being grown across the world and a kiwi fruit that grew on a vine in Rotorua yesterday can be in my fruit salad tomorrow, we no longer listen to the rythmn of the seasons, and those seasonal festivals celebrating and begging for a good harvest are being bypassed by things like Christian Aid week, World Aids day and the Americanised Mothers' day. You will find lots of re-enactors celebrating it though, especially as it coincides with Petertide - St Peter's day was 29th July, and coupled with Lammas made a good weeks' holiday, lots of fairs and markets, and usually good weather, that's why it's traditional to have summer holidays in August. LTS |
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01 Aug 00 - 05:42 PM (#269754) Subject: RE: Lammas From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird) I don't know whether the Lammas is still widely observed in English Christianity. Perhaps the deterioration of the climate in the northern hemisphere since circa 1200 A.D. has taken it out of phase with the agricultural work (though it remained listed on church calendars for many centuries). On the other hand, different varieties of grain may now be in use, with earlier harvest times than were used in the low middle ages. Sorting out these factors would be a fascinating interdisciplinary project. The U.S. Episcopal Church calendar doesn't have Lammas day. Of course, the seasons aren't precisely the same in all parts of the U.S. as in England. T. |
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01 Aug 00 - 05:47 PM (#269759) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Uncle_DaveO "It fell about the Lammas-tide, when muirmen win their hay." |
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01 Aug 00 - 05:59 PM (#269764) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Liz the Squeak It celebrated the first cut of the harvest - the weather was settling down and the hay was ready. The earliest wheat was ready to be cut, none of this two crops in one season here, and it meant that there was about 6 weeks of hard work before everthing was gathered in, and you could sit down and do the winter jobs. That's why there are harvest moons in September - the extra light of a large full moon meant that you could carry on the farm work, at a time when the weather could break at any time, and time was of the essence. LTS |
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01 Aug 00 - 07:36 PM (#269846) Subject: RE: Lammas From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny Thanks, everyone. Sounds like a masters thesis in the works. == Johnny |
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01 Aug 00 - 08:35 PM (#269888) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Bud Savoie Lammas is/was also called "Gule", from the Latin "Sanctus Petrus ad vincula" (admittedly, quite a stretch), or "St. Peter in Chains," the feast day on August 1 commemorating the release of the Prince of the Apostles from prison. This feast is still celebrated on traditional calendars. The feast, coming as it does as the corn is ripening, led to the "Lammas" idea. One of Robert Burns's incomparable love songs begins: It was all on a Lammas nicht, when corn riggs are bonnie. |
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01 Aug 00 - 08:50 PM (#269898) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Celtic-End Singer The Scottish legal system still operates on the four old Christian terms: Candlemass, Whitsun, Lammas and Martinmass. The Ancient Scottish universities (Saint Andrews, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Edinburgh) operate on the same system. |
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01 Aug 00 - 10:40 PM (#269972) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Jimmy C At the ould Lammas Fair in Ballycastle long ago I met a little colleen and she set my heart aglow She was smiling at her daddy buying lambs from Paddy Roe At the Ould Lammas Fair In Ballcastle O
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01 Aug 00 - 10:52 PM (#269987) Subject: RE: Lammas From: alison "would you treat your Mary Anne to some dulce and yellow man At the Ould Lammas Fair In Ballcastle O this still goes on in a town in County Antrim every year
dulce is edible seaweed slainte alison
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01 Aug 00 - 11:00 PM (#269992) Subject: RE: Lammas From: katlaughing It is also known as LUGHNASADH. From WitchVox: The First Harvest. Plants are 'setting their seed" already for the next year as the cycle of Nature continues. The Sun (Son) still burns brightly, but already the passing of the days begins to herald the coming of Autumn. The young animals are now almost full grown and our plans-planted with high expectations in the spring- are beginning to come to fruition. |
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02 Aug 00 - 02:44 AM (#270106) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Liz the Squeak Thanks for telling me what 'ad vincula' meant - it's puzzled me for years, as there is a pub in Dorset called St Peter ad vincula, although it's been 'countrified' and 'anglicised' to St Peter's finger.... (deja vu here, didn't we do this on a St Peter's shoon thread?). It's usually shortened to Pete's digit.... LTS |
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02 Aug 00 - 04:36 AM (#270123) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Susan of DT Wasn't this one of the old Celtic quarter festivals: Beltain, Samhain, Lughnasa and I forget the winter one? |
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02 Aug 00 - 05:32 AM (#270147) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Gervase First cut of the harvest? Blimey, the seasons are going crazy. The barley at home was in two weeks ago and the stubble has already been ploughed in, while the second hay cut has long been and gone on the meadow and the sweet smell of the sileage is everywhere at the moment, mixing with the flinty smell of the freshly broken soil. After a shower of rain I can close my eyes, fill my lungs and believe I was in heaven (or at least drinking a nice flinty white Burgundy)! BTW, am I right in thinking that 'aftermath' is the second hay cut, or am I going mad?). |
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02 Aug 00 - 10:22 AM (#270251) Subject: Lyr Add: CORN RIGS AN' BARLEY RIGS (Robert Burns) From: SDShad From Rabbie Burns, a song of Lammas of sorts: Corn Rigs
It was upon a Lammas night
The time flew by wi' tentless heed Chorus:
Corn Rigs and barley rigs
The sky was blue, the wind was still,
I kept her heart, was a' my sin. [Chorus]
I locked her in my fond embrace.
But by the moon and stars so bright [Chorus]
I hae been blythe wi' comrades dear
But a' the pleasures e'er I saw |
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02 Aug 00 - 10:36 AM (#270257) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Abby Sale There are a large number of songs that use as the time frame Lammastide. It's just the setting for the story. There are an equal number for 'The first day of the year' or Martinmas, etc. The event is also interesting since harvest time is one basic season to mark in many religions and countries. In Britain, the season is also marked as one of the basic 'Sabbats' for Wicca and almost certainly is solidly based on (and intended by the Church to replace) the old Lughnasadh (Lugh's Day) from the Gaels. Lugh was a big deal. |
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02 Aug 00 - 12:00 PM (#270326) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Hollowfox kat/katlaughing, you're surely right about the young animals. Tonight I'll have to set my trap for raccoon #4. I've gotten a mother, her kit, and one sort of between those two in size so far, so I wonder what I'll get tonight. They're perfectly healthy, so I use a live trap, put them in the back of my minivan, and drive them about fifteen miles away, with the radio speakers turned up in the back of the van. It's as far away from houses as I can find, with woods and a stream. |
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02 Aug 00 - 12:02 PM (#270329) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Hollowfox Liz, watch out for that pub's welfare. In this "digital" age, the name could shift to Saint Peter's Byte. |
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02 Aug 00 - 12:21 PM (#270344) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Peg from a song written with Burns' brilliant poem in mind: (used to sing this with a pagan choir):
Lammas Night
The grain was reaped, the bins were full
Chorus:
She came to me on Lammas Night
(chorus)
The newly-turned earth became our summer bed
chorus...
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02 Aug 00 - 05:13 PM (#270557) Subject: RE: Lammas From: GUEST,JTT Lammas is Lughnasa, or the feast of Lugh Lámh Fhada. Also known as Walpurgisnacht among our northern brethren. |
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02 Aug 00 - 05:18 PM (#270558) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Mbo Whoa! Walpurgisnacht is the night when Satan comes out to stir up trouble! Dang I love Corn Riggs Are Bonnie! Great pipe tune! --Matt |
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02 Aug 00 - 05:48 PM (#270576) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Hollowfox Sorry, JTT, you've got the right church but the wrong pew. Walpurgisnacht is April 30, called May Eve or Beltaine by the more southern brethern (and sistern too, I should think). Its a whole different set of songs. ;) |
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03 Aug 00 - 01:12 AM (#270819) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Liz the Squeak Gervase, barley is a foreign crop - wheat is the traditional one, and if you think about it, we've had some strange weather recently. April was boiling hot for a lot of it and in May it pissed down. Plus the seed we plant now has been treated to make it more resistant to damp enduced fungus and rot so it is plantable in winter/early spring making a much earlier crop. When there was no modified or treated seed, we had to do it natures' way, and thus we had the first crops at Petertide. Sorry, but I'm sober now..... and it really is 6.15am, you were right yesterday, I am an insomniac. Now I'm going to work. LTS |
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03 Aug 00 - 03:16 PM (#271167) Subject: RE: Lammas From: Penny S. I believe that the harvest was later because the sowing wasn't until the new year - nowadays the winter wheat is in a few weeks after harvest. However, the field across the way which used to be cut before the end of term is unharvested still. At Petertide in Folkestone, there is a blessing of the fisheries in the harbour. Penny |
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03 Aug 00 - 05:45 PM (#271284) Subject: RE: Lammas From: paddymac Susan - you're right. The missing one is Imbolc, celebrated at the start of February. That's followed by Beltaine (aka Bal's Fire, and more latterly, May Day), then Lughnassa (sp?) and Samhain (aka Halloween (All Hallows Eve) or All Saints Eve. Most pre- or non-industrial societies had/have dates of similar significance on their cultural/spiritual/religious calendars. Samhain was the Celtic New Year's celebration, when the fires of the old year were extinguished and the new one lit. Folk's had to stay up all night lest the evil spirits snatch them away, and usually did so in the context of heavy-duty feasting and partying - the forerunner of the western world's current approach to New Year's Eve (the current habit being a much enfeebled version of the original). If a person is so inclined, you could likely have a "legitimate " New Year's "event" at least four times a year, and maybe more. |