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03 Aug 00 - 02:21 PM (#271136) Subject: 'home grown music from the heart" From: Rana who SHOULD be working On the Canadian list serve "MaplePost" Estelle Klein (who was involved with Mariposa, I believe but before I knew) posted a question based upon a definition she heard of folk music on the CBC. She wondered what other people thought of as a folk definition (academia aside)- it seems a good continuation of the Definition of Folk kettle of fish/Can of worms etc. Here is the definition copied from her post. folk music was defined on CBC morning radio as; "home grown music from the heart" Rana |
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03 Aug 00 - 02:59 PM (#271156) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: Bert "home grown music from the heart" - Oh my Gawd! that definition could include ALL that singer/songwriter crap. |
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03 Aug 00 - 03:10 PM (#271164) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: The Shambles Are you 'trolling' Bert? |
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03 Aug 00 - 03:12 PM (#271166) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: Whistle Stop Bert, some of us LIKE that singer/songwriter crap, and feel that it qualifies as folk music. Woody Guthrie was nothing if not a singer/songwriter, to cite just one example. Submitted against my better judgment... |
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03 Aug 00 - 03:28 PM (#271177) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: catspaw49 Bert, being a songwriter, was having us on WS......as was Shambles........Now if you want to go play the "FOLK" game, I'll go get the players for you!!!**BG** Spaw |
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03 Aug 00 - 03:44 PM (#271189) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: Naemanson Is this going to start a "what is folk music and what isn't" thread creep? |
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03 Aug 00 - 03:59 PM (#271198) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: Bert Yer right Spaw, I was just having fun. I couldn't let that "from the heart" bit go unchallenged. I love singer/songwriters (some of 'em) and I love folk music (some of it) but I do recognize that they are not necessarily the same thing. It might be a good direction to thread creep - "Where do they overlap?" Bert. |
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03 Aug 00 - 04:02 PM (#271204) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: catspaw49 Now THAT is a thread subjest Bert. We have touched on that in the various "Folk" threads, but since we can't agree on a definition,it makes it tough to address,,,the real problem of course. Why not set it up and give it a try....gawd knows we've had dumber threads. Spaw |
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03 Aug 00 - 04:08 PM (#271209) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: Kim C Well, I would say it's something that comes from the heart as opposed to something written for a buck.... my town is full of "staff writers" and even though a lot of them are very good writers, it's apparent when they are writing to cater to a particular demographic market. If they can do that and make a living, more power to 'em, but it ain't what interests me. |
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03 Aug 00 - 04:46 PM (#271227) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: Rana who SHOULD be working Naemason, I did say the following: "... it seems a good continuation of the Definition of Folk kettle of fish/Can of worms etc" So I don't suppose it is thread creep. I believe that is actually what Estelle was after in her post. Talking about "from the heart" does that mean the Peter Sellars song which went "Boom de de boom, de de boom etc ..Oh goodness gracious me" was a folk song { ducks quickly as vase of dead flowers with putrid water is flung at him) Rana |
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03 Aug 00 - 05:01 PM (#271246) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: Bert Rana, you must be the only other person in the bloody world who remembers THAT song. |
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04 Aug 00 - 01:02 PM (#271401) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: Whistle Stop Bert, and Spaw, I took the bait, and I'm suitably embarrassed. If I didn't like you guys so much I'd probably tell you both to go folk yourselves. [Responding to a familiar question with an equally familiar pun.] Actually, the original question Rana raised reminded me of my first response to a "what is folk?" thread, when I was new to Mudcat and didn't realize that each new thread on this topic just served to pull the scab off the last one. My opinion was that one defining element of "folk" music was portability -- the ability to create the music without benefit of an "infrastructure" provided by corporations, governments, or academia. I still think that's a viable definition, similar to Rana's "homegrown" concept. But I will not defend it further, lest I be drawn into yet another dispute. |
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05 Aug 00 - 12:14 AM (#271743) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: Ebbie A friend the other day said: "The soul is the heart of man. Music is the heart of the soul." Ebbie |
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05 Aug 00 - 07:53 AM (#271851) Subject: RE: 'home grown music From: bigchuck I've always liked the thought that "folk music" is music that is spread and survives without benefit of media. I think I first saw this thought in Pete Seeger's column in Sing Out a few years back. Sandy |