08 Aug 00 - 03:23 PM (#273706) Subject: Wild rose of the Mountain From: GUEST,Blind desert pete Anyone know this song? I dont think its very old.Sort of a world turned upside down theme. thankx |
08 Aug 00 - 04:12 PM (#273736) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: Pene Azul You can get the lyrics here (click). PA |
08 Aug 00 - 04:13 PM (#273740) Subject: Lyr Add: WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN (Si Kahn) From: Joe Offer Hi, Pete - I'm surprised that the song isn't in our database. this page (click) has a nice RealAudio recording of the song. Click on "Audition" (or here) for the second-place winners, Harmony. -Joe Offer- WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN I'd sure live it over Only walk in brand new shoes And just lay down in clover Only work on Christmas Day All the rest go sportin' Spend my days down at the creek And ev'ry night go courtin' Honey from the honey comb When I think of home sweet home Chorus If I had a pickup truck Chorus If I had a new made quilt Chorus © Si Kahn Copyright ©1982, Joe Hill PublishingLyrics from The Si Kahn Songbook, page 104. |
08 Aug 00 - 08:14 PM (#273902) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: Sorcha I have the tune, and it's in the Fiddlers Fake Book, (David Brody, Oak Pub) If I post it abc, it will be copy-able, as I don't think a WAV file is. I think the Fakebook is online now, I'll go look. If not, you want me to post the tune abc? |
08 Aug 00 - 08:21 PM (#273907) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: Joe Offer Please post the ABC in this thread if MIDI is not available, Sorcha. You say we can find the Fiddler's Fakebook online? Where? I'm wondering about this - it this really a Si Kahn original, or is it a traditional song with mew words, or what? -Joe Offer- |
08 Aug 00 - 08:41 PM (#273920) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: GUEST,Ketil I learned it from a John McCutcheon recording, we used to play it with Blackberry Blossom for the breaks ;) Ketil |
08 Aug 00 - 08:47 PM (#273925) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: Sorcha I think it is a trad tune with (new?) words, or arrang. C to Si Khan. Sorry, I went and looked, and the Fakebook on line is available for sale at amazon, not the contents on line. My bad. Will post abc in this thread,(probably tomorrow--had beer tonite) but be warned, the phrasing is a Booger...... |
09 Aug 00 - 12:34 AM (#274043) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: wysiwyg Sorcha GOOD, BEER bad! ~S~ |
09 Aug 00 - 02:45 AM (#274090) Subject: Buy The Preacher's Wife a Beer From: Joe Offer Aw, hell, Praise. I'll corrupt ya and buy you a beer tomorrow. Our Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is the Nectar of the Gods. -Joe Offer- |
09 Aug 00 - 03:32 PM (#274469) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: Sorcha Well, I tried but this one is beyond my minimal abc skills. I snail mailed Joe the sheet music. I looked in all the tune sites I know of, and can't find it on the Web either. |
11 Aug 00 - 03:02 AM (#275670) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: Joe Offer Dale rose e-mailed me a recording of a traditional fiddle tune called "Wild Rose of the Mountain." I connected it right away with the John McCutcheon recording of the Si Kahn song. Then I played Si Kahn's recording, and I figured it out. McCutcheon plays a medley, first the Si Kahn song and then the traditional fiddle tune. I always wondered why McCutcheon titled the song Wild Rose of the Mountain / Wild Rose of the MountainNow it makes sense. Two tunes, same title. -Joe Offer- So maybe Kahn did write an original tune for his lyrics. |
11 Aug 00 - 04:27 AM (#275689) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: Stewie Joe, The old fiddle tune is closely associated with J.P. and Annadeene Fraley of Rush, Kentucky, who had a lovely album on Rounder - 'Wild Rose of the Mountain: Eastern Kentucky Fiddle Music' Rounder 0037. It may have been reissued on CD. The note to the album says that the piece came from a fiddler blacksmith by the name of Bun Olney, but J.P. learned it from June Ashland who picked the melody out on a guitar until he learned it exactly. Evidently, the piece is deceptive in its simplicity, for the long sustained notes make it difficult to play correctly. It goes on:
Legend has it that a certain fiddler fell in love with a young lady whom he saw repeatedly at the local dances. As he was providing the music, the fiddler could never seem to strike up an acquaintance with her. He noticed, however, that the girl would stray from one fellow to another, so he likened her to a 'wild rose of the mountain' and composed this tune for her. J.P. notes that this tune bears a similarity to 'Blackberry Blossom'. Cheers, Stewie. |
12 Aug 00 - 05:52 PM (#276462) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: GUEST,blind desert pete Thanks joe that what i was looking for great song! |
13 Aug 00 - 12:22 AM (#276670) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: Sorcha Blackberry Blossoms? I hear NO similarity at all! Just goes to show you, huh? Joe, I did snail mail you the dots for the fiddle tune that John Mc does on the Wind that Shakes the Barley album. (Now I have this Wild Rose sound worm in my ear, and I can't even play the tune because of the time changes....arrhhg) Neat info, tho, thanks! |
20 May 02 - 01:35 PM (#713988) Subject: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: voyager I've heard Marcy Marxer/Cathy Fink perform this tune last year at Takoma Park Folk Festival. Also, found a Debby McClatchy (mp3 cut) on the 'Net. I'm curious to hear what other Mudcat wisdom follows this traditional tune around voyager FSGW Ghetto |
20 May 02 - 01:47 PM (#714001) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: GUEST,BarryT Is this tune, in fact, traditional? I understand it was written by John Mason. One way or 'tother, it's a beauty! |
20 May 02 - 01:52 PM (#714006) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: bill kennedy there is a previous thread here, can't do the blue clicky thing yet, but type in Wild Rose of the Mountain in Forum search
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20 May 02 - 02:10 PM (#714016) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain From: Joe Offer I combined the two threads on this song. As it says above, there are two songs with the same name, so be careful to specify which is which. On his recording, John McCutcheon does a great medley of the two tunes. -Joe Offer- |
20 May 02 - 07:47 PM (#714207) Subject: Tune Add: WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN (Si Kahn) From: GUEST,MCP, Tune Add abc of Si Kahn's tune Mick
WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN |
21 May 02 - 12:46 AM (#714334) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: Ebbie There are four tunes that I know by the name of Wild Rose of the Mountain. Two are traditionally in D, one is in A and one is a G tune; all very different from each other. (At this point I like the G tune the best- we play it at contradances. Great chords.) One friend who is a Texas style fiddler plays the 'Honey from the honeycomb, Water from the fountain' one in D then segues into the one in A. The A one is the one in the fakebook, I believe, the one where most of the tune is in 2/4 time except for a couple of measures in 4/4. Or the other way 'round- I no longer remember. |
21 May 02 - 12:33 PM (#714669) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: Bill D interesting..Debby McClatchy is the only one I have heard sing this, and the chorus she sings is:
"Honey from the honey comb, wonder where the change happened? |
21 May 02 - 02:24 PM (#714744) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: GUEST,Ketil No similarity, we just thought Blackberry made a nice tune for the breaks. We sing it normally (though with 4 versions I wonder lol) There is a recording on www.mp3.com/countyfarm. Ketil |
21 May 02 - 02:36 PM (#714768) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: Desert Dancer Bill D -- I just listened to Debby's rendition on her "Light Years Away" cd (Marimac 1992) and she's got it as written above. P'raps it's your memory of her that's folk processing it? ;-) ~ Becky in Tucson |
21 May 02 - 02:48 PM (#714777) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: Bill D hmmm.. I actually had a conversation with Debby about it one night after she sang it...I was commenting about the difference between Red Oak & White Oak and why they make barrels of white oak.... maybe SHE learned different words...*shrug* |
21 May 02 - 05:26 PM (#714903) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: Barry T Ebbie... is this one of the four versions you recognize? This one's written in 6/8 time. Wild Rose of the Mountain by John Mason.
I haven't been able to find out much about this tune, though I did discover some info about a John Mason who just might be the composer. This information is from 1981 background notes for a different tune:
"...John Mason, a native of the Orkney Islands now practicing law in Troon. He is conductor of the Kilmarnock and Ayr Strathspey and Reel Society, and a well known conductor at Fiddle Rallies."
Can anyone confirm this individual as the composer of this rendition of the title? |
21 May 02 - 05:33 PM (#714911) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: Sorcha Sheesh, 19 matches at JC's Tunefinder. (Several are the same tune.) The one in A is the one I am familiar with, but the midi is straight time--McCutcheon plays it very syncopated with time changes. |
21 May 02 - 05:43 PM (#714917) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: Barry T Now why didn't I think of the tunefinder? Thanks, Sorcha... that solves my part of the puzzle. The version I know is modern. |
21 May 02 - 11:47 PM (#715054) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: Ebbie Yes, Barry T, that is the G one. We don't do it in 6/8, though, but in 3/4. It's a beautiful fiddle piece. Elegant. |
15 Jun 08 - 09:08 PM (#2366607) Subject: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S From: Banjovey Can anyone let me have lyrics and tune/chords for Si Kahn's song, Wild Rose of the Mountains. Thanks |
15 Jun 08 - 09:16 PM (#2366610) Subject: Chords Add: WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN (Si Kahn) From: Dan Schatz Yes! It's in the Digital Tradition, here. As for chords, depends on what key. In D, it's: D A G D G D If I had my life to live, I'd surely live it over. D A G D G D Only walk in brand new shoes and just lay down in clover. G D G A7 Only work on Christmas Day and all the rest go sportin'. D A G D G D Spend my days down at the creek, and ev'ry night go courtin'. Cho: D G D G D Honey from the honey comb, water from the fountain. D G D G D Sugar from the sugar cane and my wild rose of the mountain. There 'tis! Dan |
15 Jun 08 - 09:16 PM (#2366611) Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S From: Ross Campbell Type si kahn into the Lyrics & Knowledge Search box and you'll find a list of Si's songs from the Digitrad database. About fourth in the list is Wild Rose of the Mountain. Click on the title and there you are. Ross |
15 Jun 08 - 09:22 PM (#2366613) Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S From: Dan Schatz Of course, my carefully laid out chords look all gollywobbled and in the wrong place on my browser. But if you know the song they give you a general idea of what the chords might be. Dan |
15 Jun 08 - 09:25 PM (#2366616) Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S From: GUEST,DonMeixner http://www.sikahn.com/songbook/index.shtml Go here for his song book at his site. Lyrics and chords for songs off his first three albums. Don |
15 Jun 08 - 09:53 PM (#2366622) Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S From: Peace http://www.sikahn.com/songbook/index.shtml |
15 Jun 08 - 10:05 PM (#2366624) Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S From: GUEST,DonMeixner Thanks Bruce, I lack those skills. |
16 Jun 08 - 09:21 PM (#2367522) Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S From: Charley Noble It's a fine song! Well worth the learning. Charley Noble |
08 Jan 12 - 01:15 AM (#3286876) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: GUEST,Si Kahn Hi, Folks. Here's what I know about the tune. I learned it from J.P. and Anadeen Fraley, I think as far back as 1962. I was 18 years old, and was hitch hiking around the Southern mountains, looking for traditional musicians. One day I saw a notice for a festival in Ashland KY, so I went. It turned out to be a sponsored by Jean Thomas, "The Traipsin' Woman," who wrote a book by that name. J.P. and Anadeen were playing there and invited a bunch of us to their home to jam. Anadeen was playing a six-string lute that J.P. had found in Germany during WW II. He "luted" it, she said. I never asked J.P, where he got the tune, and always assumed he'd written it himself. I haven't found it anywhere else. The John Mason tune by the same name is recent and original. J.P. and Anadeen were great folks, gracious and welcoming. J.P worked in the mines for more than 30 years, and was a solid member of the United Mine Workers of America union, for which I later worked during the Brookside Strike in Harlan County KY. You can learn more about that strike from film maker Barbara Koppel's great Academy Award-winning documentary "Harlan County U.S.A." Some years later, J.P. and I were both playing the Old Songs festival near Albany NY. I got him to follow my song "Wild Rose of the Mountain" with his tune of the same name, a good memory. Re red oak vs. white oak: When it's freshly cut, red oak smells to high heaven. I assume that if you put whiskey in red oak barrels, it would absorb some of the smell from the wood, to the point where no one would want to drink it. But, as a building material, red oak is superb. The front sill in the mountain cabin where I've written songs for over 30 years is cut from red oak. All the best, Si |
08 Jan 12 - 10:28 AM (#3287014) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: John Minear There is a fine recording of Si Kahn's song by Guy and Candie Carawan on an album entitled "High On A Mountain" from 1984. |
08 Jan 12 - 10:38 AM (#3287018) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: maeve Thanks for the information, Si. It's great to learn about such a good song from its maker. |
08 Jan 12 - 11:00 AM (#3287029) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain From: Charley Noble Yes, it's always nice to hear from the workers who produce the songs, cobbling together the odd bits of tunes with their experience and imagination. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
12 Apr 14 - 09:39 PM (#3618081) Subject: RE: ADD: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^ From: GUEST,Teri I have seen the posts below, regarding, Wild Rose of the Mountain." I know the post is old, however, I want people to know that my GrandFather, Jesse Large, a fiddler from Ohio, wrote the song about my GrandMother. He played with a lot of the famous fiddler's which included JP Fraley. Mr. Fraley references him when playing some of his songs which include "Goin' back to Kentucky". My Grandfather was the local fiddler and my Grandmother was the gal who went from dance to dance, (following him and playing hard to get). She always laughed when she told us that she finally got his full attention one time at a dance held in Pine Creek, Ohio. She was squaredancing in a circle and kicked her shoe into the air, landing it right against him! |
29 Jan 16 - 09:21 PM (#3769227) Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^ From: GUEST "Wild Rose of the Mountain" Was written by Jesse James Large from Lawrence co Ohio. It was written along with "Screech Owl" and also "Goin back to Kentucky". He had an untimely death and was never credited with his songs. Rounder Records has him credited to some of them. Si Khan is too young to have written these lyrics. The family of Mr Large has the information!!! |
29 Jan 16 - 10:22 PM (#3769235) Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^ From: Joe Offer There is more than one song with the title "Wild Rose of the Mountain." Check the ABC Tunefinder for a list. The Si Kahn Songbook says that words and music for this particular song were by Si Kahn, copyright 1982 by Joe Hill publishing. When we put this song in the Rise Again Songbook, we licensed it from Joe Hill Publishing. Until I see documentation to the contrary, I will continue to believe that Si Kahn wrote this song. We get posts quite often that insist that "my grandfather wrote this song." If I don't see documentation, I'm not likely to believe the claims. -Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor- |
30 Jan 16 - 12:05 AM (#3769246) Subject: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn) From: Joe Offer I've asked Si Kahn for information before, and he's always been quick to respond. Today is no exception. Here's an excerpt of what he said:
Joe sez: I deleted parts that were from correspondence between Si and Large's granddaughter. Thank you very much, Si. -Joe Offer- |
23 Feb 16 - 08:57 PM (#3774637) Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^ From: GUEST So glad to get into the discussion of our song. I do know how that some of these songs move into other songs. We were just sharing what we have always been told. Most of our grandfathers recordings were lost in a fire. We are constantly looking for anyone who would know anything about him. Mr. Khan graciously got back to me and explained the situation. I really appreciate that. We may never know the "whole" story. But just to have some pieces of it helps! Thank you again! |
24 Feb 16 - 10:02 AM (#3774721) Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^ From: GUEST,leeneia It may seem cute to sing about, but don't ever drink any of that illegal whiskey. I'm just sayin. |
24 Feb 16 - 05:34 PM (#3774802) Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^ From: Tattie Bogle "The Wild Rose of the Mountain" that I know is the John Mason one: he was founder and conductor of the Scotttish Fiddle Orchestra for many years and died in 2011, see: Wild Rose - John Mason And here's a recording of this beautiful slow air: |
24 Feb 16 - 05:39 PM (#3774803) Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^ From: Tattie Bogle Oops and double oops: realised I'd forgotten to put the link to the tune on, and re-posted: that post has disappeared up the mountain somewhere, so trying again: Wild Rose - John Mason, played by John Kelly |
24 Feb 16 - 08:18 PM (#3774839) Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^ From: GUEST,Jerome Clark I am really surprised that nowhere in this discussion is Bill Monroe's "Ashland Breakdown" mentioned. Monroe recorded it on March 10, 1975, in Mount Juliet, Tennessee. I have it on his American Traveler (County, 2000), a collection of instrumentals. The notes credit Monroe as composer, though that's hardly the definitive word. He claims authorship for at least one other piece I am reasonably confident he didn't write ("Goin' Up Caney," which I believe he learned from his Uncle Pen). In any event, it's the melody Si Kahn used, consciously or unconsciously, for his later "Wild Rose of the Mountain." The Steep Canyon Rangers, who sometimes accompany Steve Martin on record and tour, used the tune for the title song of their 2007 Rebel album Lovin' Pretty Women. |
17 Apr 16 - 09:44 AM (#3785724) Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^ From: Bearheart J.P.'s and Annadeene's album "Wild Rose of the Mountain" has been re-issued on CD with additional tunes (with their daughter). My dad bought the original album when it first came out (1974), so I listened to it a lot in my 20s. Dad found the CD online recently and gave me and several other family members copies for Christmas this past year. Dad met J.P. when he (Dad) instigated the revival of the state fiddler's contest at the Parade of the Hills in Nelsonville, Ohio in the early 1970s. At the time the organizers couldn't find anyone to organize it. Dad pulled the contest together and got it up and running again. For that first contest he was trying to find Ohio fiddlers to compete, and ended up inviting fiddlers from KY and WV as well, just to swell the numbers. (Wilson Douglas was another of the really great old time fiddlers, from WV, who competed there). The liner notes (which give extensive info on the 32 fiddle tunes that are included)are written by J. P., Guthrie Meade and Mark Wilson (Meade and Wilson produced the original album). J.P. credits the composer and tells an interesting story about it. I highly recommend the album to anyone with an interest in old time fiddle tunes. I don't know if it is happening again this year, but here is a link to the festival Annadeene started in 1971 (it was originally a family reunion), which my family often attended. My dad is 86 now and gave up camping a couple of decades ago, and J.P. passed in 2011 (Annadeene pre-deceased him), but the festival continued. There is a link to a lovely tribute to him on the site as well. http://www.fraleyfestival.com/ |