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09 Aug 00 - 02:16 AM (#274078) Subject: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lonesome EJ OK, shoot me, but I'm doing this anyway. I'm wondering, at this stage of the game, which Presidential Candidate Mudcatters are suppoting. My guess is that the Dems and Liberals outnumber Republicans and Conservatives,but we'll see. Maybe we can poll now, and then close to the election to see if anyone changes horses,and why. So.... All Mudcatters,yanks or not,invited. Please post ONLY 1)who you support and 2)and how strong your support is(S=strong W=weak). Dumb,non-music related bullshit? Sure it is! I'll start.. Gore w |
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09 Aug 00 - 02:21 AM (#274080) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Melani Gore-S |
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09 Aug 00 - 02:29 AM (#274082) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: rangeroger Gore w, Lieberman S |
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09 Aug 00 - 02:33 AM (#274084) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lox Jello Biafra (Greens) and his running mate Mumia Abu Jamal. (see www.alternativetentacles.com - and read the "jello goes green" section)
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09 Aug 00 - 02:39 AM (#274087) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Joe Offer Gore - M (moderate) Lieberman - M/S I was leaning toward Nader, but Big Mick convinced me. -Joe Offer- |
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09 Aug 00 - 02:40 AM (#274089) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Sandy Paton Gore/Lieberman - S |
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09 Aug 00 - 03:16 AM (#274097) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lepus Rex Ralph Nader. Lox, Jello Biafra's supporting Nader now; Ralph got the nomination. ---Lepus Rex |
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09 Aug 00 - 03:18 AM (#274098) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Thomas the Rhymer Nader -- S |
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09 Aug 00 - 04:07 AM (#274110) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST Gore/Lieberman - w/S |
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09 Aug 00 - 04:29 AM (#274117) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Ella who is Sooze Fred Flintstone zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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09 Aug 00 - 05:21 AM (#274131) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: kendall Lieberman/Gore s |
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09 Aug 00 - 05:21 AM (#274132) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: kendall Never change horses in the middle of a job well done |
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09 Aug 00 - 06:19 AM (#274150) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Big Mick Gore/Lieberman S Big surprise there, eh Sandy?....LOL Mick |
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09 Aug 00 - 06:44 AM (#274155) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Morticia I thought you were interested in who should be voted President of the Mudcat....I vote for Catspaw. |
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09 Aug 00 - 06:47 AM (#274157) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Amergin Nader-S |
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09 Aug 00 - 07:04 AM (#274158) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Midchuck Bush - PFW "He will do less, therefore he will do less harm." (I do think that if this choice is the best the two-party system in the US can offer us, it is time the two-party system was eliminated.) Peter. |
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09 Aug 00 - 07:04 AM (#274159) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: keltcgrasshoppper Gore/Lieberman |
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09 Aug 00 - 07:05 AM (#274160) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Skipjack K8 Naaah, Morty, it has to be Cletus. Let's face it, a Mudcat Presidential race is much more interesting than the dullard-fest going at the moment. Even our Septic mates have gotta agree with that! Weren't it Hazlitt who scribed that political parties are like rival stagecoaches, on the same road, going to the same destination, splashing mud on each other? Skipjack |
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09 Aug 00 - 07:17 AM (#274161) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Bud Savoie Bush--W Having been in the folksong world since prior to the 60s, I am aware that I am that rara avis, a Republican conservative folkie. Gets lonely here at the top. |
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09 Aug 00 - 07:23 AM (#274163) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: ol'troll A pox-to quote Mercutio-on both your houses. It's a choice between Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber.Lets hear it for ANARCHY! I don't like any of them. They'er all a bad joke. troll |
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09 Aug 00 - 08:28 AM (#274178) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Dharmabum Don't know if I agree with this {time will tell}but I heard someone refer to this campain as a , Battle of wits between two unarmed oponents. Nader {for now} |
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09 Aug 00 - 08:47 AM (#274191) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JedMarum Bush - S |
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09 Aug 00 - 09:06 AM (#274206) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Giac Democrat. |
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09 Aug 00 - 10:23 AM (#274220) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Alice Snoopy... just kidding. There was no one I could support in the race until Lieberman was chosen. Now if I could only vote for Lieberman without Gore.... |
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09 Aug 00 - 10:25 AM (#274221) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: catspaw49 G/L...S. Just can't see that Ralph has a snowball's chance in hell. Spaw |
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09 Aug 00 - 11:00 AM (#274234) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Ebbie Gore/Lieberman S |
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09 Aug 00 - 11:28 AM (#274252) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Downeast Bob Undecided or "in the switches" as Nelson Algren so aptly put it. |
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09 Aug 00 - 11:35 AM (#274263) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: jeffp Gore/Lieberman S |
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09 Aug 00 - 11:38 AM (#274264) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Mrrzy Gore - S; Lieberman - W to Moderate. Glad we got someone in a real bid who isn't both male and Protestant, but I have to admit that I'd be happier if it were the gender barrier that had been bent (it ain't broke yet!) rather than the religious one. AND I hope that going outside the box isn't what torpedoes the Democrats. -Mrr, who had harbored the secret hope that BOTH sides would pick a woman and thus remove that issue from the debate completely... all the rednecks would vote for Nader! What a riot! |
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09 Aug 00 - 11:54 AM (#274280) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,Jeff Emmett Bush |
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09 Aug 00 - 12:00 PM (#274286) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Jed at Work I too was disappointed that neither side broke the gender barrier, especially since we have some great possibilities out there at this time. But I suspect that's just a matter of time before we have a woman leading candidate - Hillary is certainly a possibility next time around (though not on my list). |
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09 Aug 00 - 12:05 PM (#274291) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: IvanB Gore/Lieberman - W |
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09 Aug 00 - 12:32 PM (#274311) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Kim C I'm a troublemaker. I vote Libertarian whenever I can. :) |
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09 Aug 00 - 12:41 PM (#274318) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: katlaughing If we had a primary - Nader Otherwise: G/L - S |
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09 Aug 00 - 12:48 PM (#274322) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Naemanson I guess I'm in favor of keeping the crooks that are in office rather than supplanting them with a new set of crooks. Better the ones you know... Gore/Lieberman - VW (Very Weak) |
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09 Aug 00 - 01:18 PM (#274344) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Bush S. (Surprise!) |
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09 Aug 00 - 01:29 PM (#274352) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: canoer Tweedle Dum. |
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09 Aug 00 - 01:47 PM (#274363) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Mbo Father Tom Bonacci, C.P. |
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09 Aug 00 - 01:51 PM (#274364) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Sean Belt G/L...S But only because they won't let Bradley play. - Sean |
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09 Aug 00 - 02:04 PM (#274379) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Bill D oh, well...Gore/Leiberman |
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09 Aug 00 - 02:17 PM (#274387) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JR Joining the groundswell Bush S |
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09 Aug 00 - 02:24 PM (#274391) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: catspaw49 At the moment, it looks to be about 4 to 1 here for the G/L ticket. I'm waiting to see if the Fred Flintstone groundswell can match B/C. Flintstone? BC? They do have something in common..... Spaw |
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09 Aug 00 - 02:59 PM (#274424) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,Luther Nader - S haven't felt this good about a candidate since George Tirebiter...
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09 Aug 00 - 03:28 PM (#274463) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: thosp Nader-S peace (Y) thosp |
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09 Aug 00 - 04:11 PM (#274506) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Peter T. Are you Americans still having that damn election? I thought you had it last year, or was it the year before that? You sure do go on. yours, Peter T. |
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09 Aug 00 - 04:16 PM (#274508) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Nader- for now. Call me a dreamer... |
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09 Aug 00 - 05:01 PM (#274550) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: gillymor G/L -S the difference between them and B/C is not enormous, in my mind, but it is critical. |
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09 Aug 00 - 05:15 PM (#274563) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Bill D Peter...many of us down here would give undying thanks if this stupid 2year+ electoral process could be shortened! Maybe we should just poll the pollsters 2 or 3 times and DECLARE a winner....'twould save a lot of $$$$$$,,,but the poor cartoonists would need new material... |
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09 Aug 00 - 06:56 PM (#274634) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,Mimsey Nader--S Yeah, yeah, I've heard the argument about weakening the lesser evil of the other two strong parties, but I say, if we don't start voting for the best choice now, then WHEN??? Come on and follow me, and we'll wow 'em into thinking twice, and giving it a real chance!! |
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09 Aug 00 - 07:23 PM (#274657) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Burke Gore - S I wish he'd take a public speaking course. |
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09 Aug 00 - 07:38 PM (#274662) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: CarolC If I could, I'd vote for Porgy Tirebiter in a heartbeat. However- Gore/Leiberman S (But I really wanted McCain). |
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09 Aug 00 - 07:44 PM (#274665) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny Can GUESTS vote? Gore - S Lieberman - S |
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09 Aug 00 - 08:02 PM (#274675) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,Luther no way -- Porgie was utterly discredited by the fiasco at Communist Martyrs High. His political career is finito. George, however, had the best campaign slogan ever. |
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09 Aug 00 - 08:22 PM (#274682) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: northfolk/al cholger First time I've known my comrade Mick to be wrong... Gore and Nader are similar on many issues...the difference, Ralph isn't lying. Health Care reform, Campaign finance reform, Labor law reform, and a litany of other issues that affect us every day are only going to be fixed when the American people demand that they be fixed... I'm certainly not portraying that electing Nader will get automatically get those things done...it won't. But Naders is the only candidacy that a populist movement can be built around, to accomplish those goals... I say if nothing else, we should be demanding to get Nader into the debates, because he will force the others to be more substantive... |
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09 Aug 00 - 08:40 PM (#274693) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: CarolC But, Guest Luther, Porgy was a spy and an girl delighter. I rest my case. |
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09 Aug 00 - 08:40 PM (#274695) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lox Whatever you do, VOTE! You don't have any other political say. It makes no sense to have opinions if all you intend to do is parade them around in pubs and on websites. I'll bet that most of you have a lot to say and get pretty passionate about it too. Nows your chance to keep the biggest idiot out at the very least. If you don't, he'll be able to do all those things that you disagree with and he'll be able to say "Well, you chose me". And remember, it's not a horse race, you don't win a prize if you're right, you get a politician!!! Choose wisely. This isn't a time for bullshit TV personalities, soundbites and gut reactions. It's a time for you to say what you think by choosing the guy that best represents your viewpoint. It's not a case of agreeing with the best actor, it's a question of deciding whats most important to you, and then asking who's going to deliver. Fuck the TV, do a bit of simple research and ask "what? When? and Why?" then say "Who?". It is your life whether you choose to believe it or not. |
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09 Aug 00 - 11:42 PM (#274816) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Yeah. Tweedledum and tweedledummer. Exactly. If I was an American I suspect I would prefer Nader, on the whole. If it came down to Bush vs Gore (which it no doubt will...groan!) I would have to go for Gore, not cos I'm too impressed, but at least he isn't Republican...not that I think Republicans are bad people...I just think they have a wrongful idea of how to improve society, that's all. The 2 party system is a farce. So is Canada's 5 party system. I would be in favour of permanently abolishing all political parties forever, and electing one of say four individual candidates (nominated by popular ballot) in every riding...strictly on the basis of their character and what they have to say. Then all those individuals elected would form a national assembly and run the government by committee, each assembly member being responsible directly to the constituency that elected him, NOT to any party machine. This would eliminate many forms of corruption and divisiveness that presently plague our political system. Further to that, I would legislate that the election campaign be short...45 days only...and that EQUAL funding be provided for each candidate, out of a tax pool, that funding being of a moderate nature, sufficient to get their message out. That would eliminate the influence peddling that allows huge financial players to control every political party (except little guys like the Greens). To hell with political parties. They have perverted and destroyed our democratic system, and made our elections a running joke. |
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09 Aug 00 - 11:51 PM (#274822) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Little Hawk: do you REALLY think that would stop corruption and divisivness in government? You, my friend, are describing "Shang Ri-La," and I don't believe that can ever exist, regardless of the form of government. DougR |
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10 Aug 00 - 12:13 AM (#274831) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JamesJim BC. |
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10 Aug 00 - 12:22 AM (#274838) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,Mickey191 Gore & Lieberman- S. I really wanted McCain.For many reasons I feel the same antipathy for Bush that I felt for tricky Dick. |
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10 Aug 00 - 12:26 AM (#274842) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR I voted for McCain in the Arizona primary. I think he would have been a good President, Guest 191. DougR |
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10 Aug 00 - 12:43 AM (#274850) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Doug R - Yes, I have a lot of faith. I believe that anything that can be imagined can made to exist, if people have enough courage and will to make it exist. Do I think this is going to happen soon? No. The political parties control the present system, and they absolutely will not let it happen, not until they have been so discredited that no one believes in them anymore. I have already reached that stage. I don't believe in them. It could be accomplished at any time, but almost certainly won't be. What I am describing is really quite similar to the kind of democracy that existed in many simple tribal peoples for thousands of years. Decisions were arrived at by cooperative consensus, rather than by dividing up into competitive groups and then enforcing the will of a temporary majority upon various minorities. That is not what I call democracy. I call it a semi-democratic form of dictatorship, with limited tenure. I'm a creative artist, not a politician. It is my job to imagine the finest thing I can and then express it as best I can. I realize it may seem unrealistic. The most idealistic things always seem unrealistic. Consider the things Jesus taught. Unrealistic, right? But if people had the courage to follow those teachings in every way we could transform the world. Yes, I believe in Shangri-La. |
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10 Aug 00 - 01:08 AM (#274869) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Rosebrook Gore - S And in Oregon No on 9, AGAIN! (wishing I had kept my buttons from the first homophobic go round ballot measure #9 in '92) Rose |
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10 Aug 00 - 02:58 AM (#274899) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Thomas the Rhymer I just got an e-mail from Michael Moore. He is endorsing Nader. He is encouraging all supporters of Gore not to change their mind. He says Nader won't need their votes. Moore is taking the glamour of not voting, and he's encouraging the 100 million plus non voting segment of our population to vote Nader instead of not voting at all. It is well written, well researched, and quite enjoyable to read. If half of the disgruntled non voting public votes for Nader, It would be a landslide victory. It only took 40 million votes to win the last election! Consider the realities, vote this time,... Nader wins! |
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10 Aug 00 - 07:58 AM (#274933) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lox Imagine if you had a
Imagine if the rule was that, if
Choice would be widened considerably, and the republicans and democrats would no longer have the control that they have now over who gets to be your president. They wouldn't dare spend so much money on campaigns, having instead to convince you that the were the right man/woman for the job by saying something with a little meaning for a change. |
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10 Aug 00 - 08:44 AM (#274952) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Midchuck Lox is right, IMO. There should be a "None of the Above Is Acceptable" line on every ballot. The trouble is, that line would have won every U. S. presidential election since 1960 or thereabouts. Peter. |
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10 Aug 00 - 09:28 AM (#274975) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Yup, "None of the Above" would win, that's for sure. The public in North America would probably be better off choosing leaders from the ordinary public by chance lottery (given certain basic minimum qualifications) than they are with the present cynical system. I like that joke about the "battle of wits between 2 unarmed opponents". Ha Ha Ha |
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10 Aug 00 - 09:47 AM (#274992) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Kim C Jeez, am I the only Libertarian? :) |
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10 Aug 00 - 09:51 AM (#274996) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JedMarum don't most Libertarians vote Republican? |
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10 Aug 00 - 10:36 AM (#275013) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Rosebrook Martin Sheen ;) |
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10 Aug 00 - 12:39 PM (#275082) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Kim C Jed, I don't really know... why vote Republican if your party has a candidate? I know, I know, "no third-party candidate has a snowball's chance of winning." Well, yeah, especially if people don't vote for them...... I guess the Libertarian idea of taking personal responsibility for your own freedom is just a little too hard for a lot of folks to handle. :)But the fact is, freedom and responsibility go hand in hand, something our litigious society seems to have overlooked these last few years. |
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10 Aug 00 - 12:53 PM (#275097) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: death by whisky Will they come to Ballybunion for a round? Eh! We'll get the road resurfaced again.HA! |
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10 Aug 00 - 12:59 PM (#275105) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JedMarum sorry Kim, sounds like the reason I vote republican. |
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10 Aug 00 - 01:16 PM (#275125) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST have voted Libertarian in the past...will probably vote for the candidate least likely to succeed this time around - just as a form of protest against the two most popular choices. I'd like to see just how "secret" the secret ballot really is...maybe I'll vote Worker's World Party and see if anyone (when Bush gets elected) comes knocking at my door. |
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10 Aug 00 - 01:27 PM (#275133) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,Luther feh! Porgy is up to his neck in big oil. "Groat cakes!!! Heavy on the 30-weight, Ma!" Ring a bell? CarolC, if you want to turn this country into a commie cesspool of groat cakes and government inflicted simulation, fine!! Just don't forget to inflate your shoes. I hope that doesn't sound too harsh, but it needed to be said. End of rant.
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10 Aug 00 - 03:23 PM (#275229) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Guest: He couldn't. Now way to find you. You haven't a name! Kim: I think the Libertarians make some excellent points myself. Not in agreement with all of them though. DougR |
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10 Aug 00 - 03:41 PM (#275244) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lonesome EJ Sorry, I don't see Nader as the kind of charismatic individual that would be needed to give a third-party the chance to win. Just as a vote for Perot has been a vote for Clinton, a vote for Nader will be a vote for Bush. I'd like to see him debate, but I expect Bush will demand it. |
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10 Aug 00 - 07:17 PM (#275394) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: thosp Little Hawk ! again you surprise me ----- of course ALL our politicians have the basic minimum requirements -- i defy you to find one with more than the basic minimum requirements ---- actually i think it's required to have minimum requirements --although i think in many cases its been waived ---- peace (Y) thosp |
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10 Aug 00 - 07:29 PM (#275398) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Tone d' F As you colonials don't have a choice of the like of the Monster Raving Looney Party (Screeming Lord Such Deceased) it looks like you're going to be stuck with G / L Our Vote would be for Homer Simpson and his running mate Barney Brewsters Millions said it all Dont Vote for Them .... It only encourages them |
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10 Aug 00 - 09:52 PM (#275488) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Well, Tone d'F, don't write off Bush yet. I don't include the VP candidate in my message, because we will be electing a President, not a Vice President. The VP will obviously be elected along with the president. You may have noted in the past day or two the American press has centered most of their attention on the potential Vice President, not the potential President. The reason: the potential Vice President is the best hope the Democrats have. DougR |
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10 Aug 00 - 09:55 PM (#275491) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: CarolC Guest Luther, you win. I think I'll go climb a tree, take off my shoes, and learn to play the flute. Carol |
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10 Aug 00 - 10:05 PM (#275501) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: bbc Bush--S (actually, *any* Republican) bbc P.S.--Hi, Doug! |
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10 Aug 00 - 10:14 PM (#275508) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Tone d' F Doug Chill out, get a Terry Pratchet Book read it and put the world to right It will put things in perspective The people who dont want to run are the people for the job Where is the logic on spending X million $ to get a job that pays thousands Giv you one up on the brits at least one of youre presidents was a peanut farmer and able to pay the civil servants
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10 Aug 00 - 10:27 PM (#275519) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Bill D Libertarians have VERY little how things would actually work if they DID win...and Nader has NO idea how to negotiate with China...*sigh*...... |
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10 Aug 00 - 11:21 PM (#275565) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: mg I think if Gore wins we'll have the best first lady in history...and probably not a bad second lady either although I know nothing about her...imagine having a choice of honest decent women as first ladies..which I hasten to add in my lifetime we have almost always had....mg |
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10 Aug 00 - 11:22 PM (#275566) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk thosp, you are one funny character. Ha Ha. The only reason I stuck in that "minimum requirements" proviso was to prevent people from attacking my public office election chance lottery idea by saying things like..."Oh, sure, Little Hawk, and we get a 7 year old kid for president!" The weird thing is, I think you're right...they have been picking people with the "minimum" requirements! How ironical. Remember Bill and Opus's campaign slogan: THIS TIME WHY NOT THE WORST? I thought that was great. This time why not Hollywood Hulk Hogan? He's getting a little old for the wrestling game anyway. |
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10 Aug 00 - 11:42 PM (#275577) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Tone d'F: The Terry Pratchet book is on the top of my shopping list, though I have to confess that I have no earthly idea who Terry Pratchart is, and why I should be looking to him for leadership! The fact that you recommend him is reason enough for me to look into it. Ok, Bill D, how DOES one negotaite with China? I'm sure everybody would like to know that! Oh, and Tone d'F, wanna applaud the double digit (I mean real double digit inflation during the Carter administration?) I doubt it. And Mary Garvey, have you know idea what you are saying when you say with Tipper Gore, we will have the best first lady in hitory? Do you not know what will befall you for thinking such blasphemous thoughts when we have such stellar ladies as Hillery Clinton as our first lady? And what about Eleanor Roosevelt? You gonna just sweep her into the trashbin of history? Shame on you! (Said with a very stiff tongue in the cheek) DougR |
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10 Aug 00 - 11:47 PM (#275580) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lepus Rex Tipper Gore is an evil fascist cow. I wouldn't vote for anyone who would stay married to the former leader of the dreaded PMRC. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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10 Aug 00 - 11:49 PM (#275583) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Scuse, Lepus Rex, what is PMRC? DougR |
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11 Aug 00 - 12:01 AM (#275589) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: ol'troll VOTE CTHULU! Why settle for the lesser of two evils. troll |
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11 Aug 00 - 12:08 AM (#275594) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lepus Rex Oops, Doug, that info might help, eh? Parent's Music Resource Center. It was (is?) the group who brought about the "warning labels" on recordings with "harmful" content, wanted to keep albums with "lewd" cover artwork under the counter like porn, etc. She's tried to distance herself from her eeeevil past since then, though. But she's the ANTICHRIST! ;) Cthulhu, eh? Mayyybeee... At least he isn't married to the ANTICHRIST. ---Lepus Rex |
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11 Aug 00 - 02:48 AM (#275668) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Thomas the Rhymer A vote for Nader would be a vote for Nader. Nader would be a great president. Why is this so hard to understand? Meanwhile, "Don't eat with your hands,... use your entrenching tool!" "Oh blinding light, Oh light that blinds, I cannot see, watch out for me!" |
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11 Aug 00 - 07:51 AM (#275729) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: mactheturk John Prine/Ani DiFranco....all the way in 2000!! |
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11 Aug 00 - 12:43 PM (#275881) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: BigDaddy Gotta go with Gore/Lieberman. It seems every time we elect a Republican, we find an excuse to make war on civilians in "third world" countries (e.g. Nicaragua, El Salvador) or befriend dictators like the Shah of Iran, Marcos in the Phillipines, etc. It seems the Democrats do less harm environmentally as well (Remember the James Watt years?). I'd vote for Nader if I didn't fear it would contribute to a Bush victory. |
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11 Aug 00 - 02:02 PM (#275920) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Kim C Why can't we get somebody like Bartlet on "West Wing"? Or dig up Teddy Roosevelt? Actually, I think Ted Nugent would make a pretty cool President..... :) |
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11 Aug 00 - 02:57 PM (#275943) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lonesome EJ Thomas and Carol.... "I guess the old saying is true: just dig a hole that's big enough, and everyone will want to jump into it." Reebus Kaneebis or
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11 Aug 00 - 04:20 PM (#275977) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JR You guys are just for Gore cuz he gave you the internet & thus, The Mudcat. |
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11 Aug 00 - 05:34 PM (#276000) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR BigDaddy: I'm sure you recall who the last president was that ordered missles in to destroy a pharmaceutical plant in a far of land, don't you? 'Twas not a Republican president. Shades of "Wag the Dog." DougR |
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11 Aug 00 - 07:03 PM (#276029) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: BigDaddy DougR, No argument on that one. I'm not enthused about any of our choices. And speaking of "Wag the Dog," I'm from Michigan where we had our own version of "Old Shoe" complete with parades and accompanying media idiocy. This poor joker was in the wrong place at the wrong time, was captured and somehow this made him a "hero." Anyway, I'm glad we can at least vote for our choices even though I feel the choices are poor ones. For a nation that gave birth to the likes of Lincoln and a number of others who had at least moments of greatness, I just wish we could do better. Cheers! |
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11 Aug 00 - 07:05 PM (#276030) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Ted Nugent? Ha! Ha! ROTFL! What a great idea! The Nuge for president, and Ozzie for Secretary of State. That'd scare the shit out of those Islamic fundamentalists and commie pinkos (the latter an endangered species, alas!). |
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11 Aug 00 - 07:37 PM (#276043) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: ceitagh Doug, yes, do pick up a Terry Pratchett novel, I highly recommend it. Great reading, absolutely hilarious. I don't expect it to change your political views tho, it hasn't mine (B/C, if i were american, which i'm not, ;-)) |
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11 Aug 00 - 08:18 PM (#276064) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Susan from California Gore & Lieberman--M But I'm a yellow dog Democrat :-) |
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11 Aug 00 - 09:06 PM (#276080) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Ceitagh: I'll do that. Can you recommend any particular one (novel)? DougR |
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11 Aug 00 - 09:25 PM (#276087) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: RWilhelm I was going to say none-of-the-above but I agree with Lepus Rex. Tipper and all her sorority sisters must be stopped. |
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11 Aug 00 - 10:53 PM (#276124) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Tipper Gore is a name that gives me the shivers. Not that I'm referring to the lady herself (don't know much about her), just the name... |
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11 Aug 00 - 10:57 PM (#276130) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: tar_heel god,what a bunch of liberals in here!!!! |
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11 Aug 00 - 10:58 PM (#276132) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: tar_heel bush!!! |
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11 Aug 00 - 11:14 PM (#276143) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JedMarum Chuck - when you go to a steak house, ya probably don't want to order the salmon. ;-) |
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12 Aug 00 - 01:38 AM (#276190) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: WyoWoman Gore/Lieberman, S (Carol, Luther and LEJ, stop eating with your fingers. Use your entrenching tool...) ww |
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12 Aug 00 - 06:49 PM (#276480) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Peter K (Fionn) Those of you moaning about a two-year campaign should remember tht Tony Blair made re-election his top priority from day 1 of a five-year stint.
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12 Aug 00 - 07:22 PM (#276492) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: McGrath of Harlow "It seems every time we elect a Republican, we find an excuse to make war on civilians in "third world" countries (e.g. Nicaragua, El Salvador) or befriend dictators like the Shah of Iran, Marcos in the Phillipines, etc" -
Well, don't go forgetting that little business in Vietnam. A Democrat affair as I recall, till Nixon took over and extended it until it ran out of steam.
How come with 200 million or whatever it is people to choose from it ends up with a run-off between Bush and Gore? And only a tiny fraction of Americans will vote for either of them. And one of them will end up effectively being President of the planet, and we all have to put up with the result.
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12 Aug 00 - 07:32 PM (#276496) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR We are greatly outnumbered, Chuck, no doubt about that. So that makes us a minority, right? All good folks though, just the same. DougR |
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12 Aug 00 - 07:40 PM (#276498) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: celticblues5 Much as I dislike the idea of little Susie Creamcheese Tipper being first lady, I'll go with G/L. The Republicans only have one issue I agree with (which, you'll be thankful, I'm NOT going to mention, not wanting to open a huge and very unmusical can o'worms). Every election it seems like one has to choose the lesser of the two evils, as they say. Saw Hadassah L being interviewed the other day, and she was at once poised and warm, seemed very sincere & open. Bradley & Lieberman would have made an interesting ticket! |
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12 Aug 00 - 08:33 PM (#276534) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: CarolC When Bill Clinton was elected, I thought, "we're back from the shadows again". When I listen to Al Gore, I think, this is a man who understands about vegetables being green and about peeing in streams (and that's important), and I think, I want this man for president. Respectfully, Carol |
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12 Aug 00 - 08:49 PM (#276543) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lepus Rex Peeing in streams? He sounds like a slob... Get him housebroken, and I might consider it. (Yeah, right!) :) ---Lepus Rex |
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12 Aug 00 - 09:03 PM (#276559) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lonesome EJ Now there's a ticket,CarolC! Arty Choke and the Whisperin' Stranger! |
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12 Aug 00 - 10:53 PM (#276604) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: death by whisky I can't ignore Clintons part in N.I's peace process. Plus,he gave us pothole free roads from Listowel to Ballybunion.....!! |
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12 Aug 00 - 10:59 PM (#276607) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk You're right, Doug R, all good folks. Thanks for being positive about the avalanche of liberals here(of which I might be considered one...although I'm a bit more radical than most "liberals", seeing I don't even believe in political parties of any stripe whatsoever). I generally like the Democrats a little better than the Republicans, but wouldn't vote for either one of them. Curiously enough, the Democrats seem to get involved in just as many foreign wars and interventions as the Republicans, contrary to what someone said earlier. Bush attacked Iraq (After assuring them through the American ambassador in Baghdad that the USA had no concerns about a forthcoming Iraqui attack on Kuwait!!! Saddam believed him...what a sucker!). Then there was the totally phony propaganda story about Iraqui soldiers turning off babies' incubators in the Kuwaiti hospital...even Amnesty International was fooled by that one...what a public relations coup! What a crock. Then Clinton bombed the aforementioned pharmaceutical factory in Africa, some other small places in Asia, and finally launched the Kosovo intervention. I'm not going to argue the pros and cons of Kosovo here (God help us!), but it looks to me like there's precious little difference in warmaking tendencies between the Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats TALK more peaceably, but in practice they are virtually indistinguishable from the GOP. No surprise to me. It's someone else you don't hear about (and don't get to vote for) who calls the shots on all of these decisions. |
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13 Aug 00 - 02:10 AM (#276707) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DonMeixner Mallard Filmore, he'll do well in DC. He understands the importance of getting a bill passed. He is a graduate of Drake university. |
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13 Aug 00 - 02:52 AM (#276722) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Peter Kasin If Mallard Filmore of Drake wins...duck! |
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13 Aug 00 - 11:19 AM (#276850) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: ceitagh Doug- try Guards Guards. I think you'd like Captain Vimes. I *know* you'd like the Patrician. :-D Oh, just a thot I'd like to throw out there....anyone know where one can find a party for socially conservative socialists? I did a quiz once that showed I'd be really left wing if i weren't so determined about personal responsibilities and the sacredness of life. I guess I even out to moderate something, but i'm not sure what. Ceit |
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13 Aug 00 - 03:01 PM (#276991) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,bob s. Did you know that Bill Clinton is considering changing the Democratic seal from a donkey to a condom, because it represents inflation, halts production, and gives you a false sense of security while you are being screwed.
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13 Aug 00 - 05:25 PM (#277043) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Uncle Jaque Well, although a distinct minority, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only member of the vast right-wing consiracy out here in folkietune town! As paridoxical as it must seem, I love the traditional old tunes commonly associated with "folk" - although the "protest songs" of the '60s never did much for me - and listen to "Rush" too! Speaking of the "protest" movement, I think that my teenage enfatuation with Joan Baez was eventually broken when all she would open her mouth for (at least what got recorded and I heard) was to wail, whine, and b!+$# about how awful things were. Now granted, things were a little seamy back then, but Mommas still loved babies, some good dogs were to be found, God was still in Heaven, and as I recall there remained in a few sheltered corners some things worthy of celebration... despite the bum politicians (both R and D). Most Folkies seem to have pretty much gotten over it in the past 30 or 40 years, but some, alas, just can't seem to let it go. Personally, I resonate with the healthy dose of skepticizim I sense here, although It's a challange not to let it get me down. Having surveyed the aforementioned Libertarian Party, I find about 85% of their principals essentially harmonic, 10% not all votes in yet (or, as my Quaker Freinds might say, "Awaiting furthur Light") and the remaining 5% (including the dreaded "choice" issue) engendering some discomfort. I think if they ever come up with a viable Candidate, I would have to seriously consider getting behind them. I understand that they are starting to make some inroads in local and State offices, so stay tuned. I don't think that a party more dedicated to restoring a Constitutional Democracy can be had at any price.. although it's going to be a hard sell to folks accustomed to rolling on the dole or being "taken care of" by Great White Father in Washington. As to the choices at hand: I was for Allan KEYES, despite his sadly thin political resume. Since his political demise (I'm hoping that there might be a Cabinet position for him) I'm rooting for the "W". The spectre of 4 more years of the Clinton Machine (which, dear hearts, is what we may expect from an "ALGORE" Administration despite some theatrical "distancing" of late) frankly chills me to the bone. After the complete gutting of any moral authority America might have had left abroad, our national defense has been squandered, abused, and sold (primarily to the Communist Chinese Government, who brought us the Tienimen Square Massacre). Any political credibility we might have had has gone down the flush; our enemies have been capitulated to and our allies have been routinely betrayed. It seems that people of the global community have little but contempt for us, and frankly, I can't blame them. Our lofty status the (or even "a") "Superpower" is deteriorating rapidly as our "leaders" seem hell-bent on reducing America to 3rd-world squalor. "W" may not be perfect, but I do beleive that he has at least a modicum of integrity. And that, as I have learned from years of working with the "Mentally Retarded", can make up for a heck of a lot of cunning and charisma! I'm thinking of a Political "rallying" song for "W', much like "Lincloln and Liberty" was in 1860. You're gonna love it... or then again, maybe ye wont, eh? But regardless, I think that "Mudcatters" are a crowd with sufficient class to enjoy one another's company and music.. learning from and growing by one another - while setting some of our other diverse passions aside for a season. Now THAT, I submit to you, is something to celebrate! |
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13 Aug 00 - 07:20 PM (#277080) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Hmmmm....okay, Uncle Jaque...interesting comments. Next time, though, break it up into a number of paragraphs (hit "enter" twice between each)...it makes it easier to read. Somebody told me about that a while back, and they were right. |
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13 Aug 00 - 08:02 PM (#277096) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Uncle Jaque, interesting points. I, too, think the Libertarians make a pretty good case but they have a long way to go. There is a much sharper difference between the Libertarians and the Democrats than there is between Republicans and Democrats, I think. I love folk music too, but the protest songs didn't do much for me either. Perhaps because I was older than the kids marching in the streets singing protest songs. DougR |
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13 Aug 00 - 08:14 PM (#277102) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Rick Fielding MY God! Not one Mudcatter for Pat Buchannan! Or that other looney from the Natural Law Party (the folks who brought you Yogic Bouncing. Hey, this a consensus we can build on! 'Course since I'm Canadian, I'm not going to mess up the accuracy of this poll with a vote that just won't count. Rick |
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13 Aug 00 - 08:19 PM (#277106) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: McGrath of Harlow Best suggestion I saw was Lox's that you could only get elected if you got more than 50% of the vote. Though I'd advise that you made it at least 50% of the people entitled to vote. Some countries have that kind of rule.
Maybe as a compromise they could make it that the fella elected has his or her salary and pension tied to the proportion of the total electorate that votes for her or him. Except that I suppose the salary and pension aren't a very important part of the financial rewards of the job. Who was the last President (etc etc) who left office poorer than when they came in? |
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14 Aug 00 - 12:17 AM (#277214) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Hey, don't be so quick to judge the Natural Law Party. They are seemingly quite unusual...until you actually meet some of them, and discuss a few things in depth. I have met them, and they are people of WAY above average intelligence and perception, with extraordinarily high ideals. There are some absolutely brilliant people in the Natural Law Party. I voted for them in the last 2 elections, on the basis of my direct acquaintance with their local candidate here, and a number of their other members. I can't say enough good about them. The "yogic flying" thing is real, but they should not have publicized it, because it's simply too offbeat and it makes people think they are weird. As you indicated, it's a sort of bouncing, actually, that occurs in deep meditation, while sitting in the lotus position. You have to go quite deep before it happens, but it is real. It has to do with altering the base frequency of your whole body system, which is vibratory...as is everything else in this reality. More extraordinary things than that can be done, and have been. Like firewalking, for instance. Needless to say, I knew they didn't have a dog's chance in Hades of being elected, but I respected them, so I voted for them. I vote by my conscience. |
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14 Aug 00 - 12:18 AM (#277215) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lonesome EJ So far,based on the results of this scientific poll of primarily middle-aged,sandal-clad ex-members of the SDS with a strong tendency to sit around strumming their twelve strings rather than holding down a steady job,who also prefer spending on-line time at the Mudcat Cafe rather than making $8 stock trades at priceline.com, we can confidently declare Gore/Liebermann the clear leaders! Notice:poll carries an error margin of +/- 99% |
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14 Aug 00 - 01:04 AM (#277236) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR I think that's a safe assumption, Lonesome EJ. DougR |
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14 Aug 00 - 01:21 AM (#277241) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: CarolC Lonesome EJ, who gave you my dossier? Carol |
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14 Aug 00 - 02:33 AM (#277257) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,JB I'm from Texas and I say: Dubya = no way! Sure, Nader would be good, but don't you fear a Republican being elected president, more? The Supreme Court is awfully old. Please vote your conscience, but please vote! |
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14 Aug 00 - 11:39 AM (#277418) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Lonesome, how did you know I was wearing sandals, you old scoundrel?!!! Ha Ha! I hold down a steady job. I own a small export company that manufactures steering wheels and sells them mostly to the USA and Australia. Thank God for that...I do not relish the thought of having to make my whole living from playing music. As it is now, I just play enough of it to thoroughly enjoy myself, and when I get paid it's like a Christmas bonus. Yes, I would rather be chatting on Mudcat, or strumming my 6 string...and I do. SDS ain't quite radical enough for me, Lonesome. I consider both the right and the left to have some good ideas, and yet to be seriously out of touch in that they waste their energy fighting each other, instead of combining their good ideas. After all, they both sincerely want a better world. It isn't a question of right or left any longer. It's as pointless as having a war between the sexes. I declare peace.
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14 Aug 00 - 12:25 PM (#277441) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lonesome EJ Right,Hawk.Now if we can just get a Presidential ticket that features The Two Jesses....Jackson and Helms. LEJ:>} |
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14 Aug 00 - 01:49 PM (#277507) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Guest J.B., what's you're being from Texas got to do with it? You mean if you were from Oklahoma you'd be for Bush? Or maybe you're implying that you are the only Texian that won't vote for Bush? I'm FROM Texas, and I'm going to vote for Bush, so we will just cancel each other's vote out, I guess. :>) DougR |
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14 Aug 00 - 04:18 PM (#277612) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Ummm...I don't know much about Jesse Helms...can someone enlighten me on that? |
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14 Aug 00 - 07:35 PM (#277777) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: McGrath of Harlow Is it a bird?..is it a plane?..no it's SuperGore.
I've found it surprising that noone seems to have commented on the fact that the Gore looks not at all unlike Superman, as incarnated by Christopher Reeve.
That's not intended to have any political significance, but then this sounds like an election that seem to be primarily about politics.
However that seems to be the shape of elections these days in a lot of countries. Both sides seem to have pretty well the same politics, and the argument is about which is more to be trusted, and which gives you the worse nightmares. (And I think it's safe that for most people in Europe anyway, Bush getting elected is a pretty scary nightmare. But I suppose that for the people who'll vote for him, that's just another good reason to vote for him.) |
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14 Aug 00 - 07:44 PM (#277787) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Little Hawk: a little leg-pulling there, I suspect. Jesse Helms is a very conservative republican senator in the U. S. Senate, and a thorn in the foot of liberals. DougR |
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14 Aug 00 - 07:53 PM (#277793) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: McGrath of Harlow I left a "doesn't" out of the second paragraph - should read "That's not intended to have any political significance, but then this sounds like an election that doesn't seem to be primarily about politics." Makes a bit more sense now.
I kind of thought Jesse Helms was that nutty wrestler that got elected up in Minnesota to embarrass Garrison Keiller.
But isn't being called Jesse a disadvantage to a candidate in America? Or is it like "A Boy Named Sue", and it just serves to toughen them up? |
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14 Aug 00 - 08:24 PM (#277804) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,Matewan Jessee Helms? You mean Senator Pigshit? The Turd that Walks like a Man? No, he's not a "very conservative senator"; he's a slimy, racist sonofabitch owned lock, stock and barrel by the tobacco companies and the factory hog-farming corporations, and an embarrassment to the human race. I'm suprised the Church of the Creator hasn't endorsed him- or maybe it has. |
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14 Aug 00 - 08:38 PM (#277812) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Biskit I really liked McCain, I believe he would've been a good leader.With the choices that remain,.....it's really a toss up between Fred Flintstone Or Snoopy,Does anybody know if Pat Paulson is running this year??? Peace -Biskit- |
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15 Aug 00 - 12:41 AM (#277953) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Guest, Matewan: Other than that, do you have any strong feelings about Jesse Helms? DougR |
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15 Aug 00 - 01:17 AM (#277967) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lepus Rex McGrath, that's Jesse Ventura we elected, heh. Much more entertaining than the guys he ran against. Well, Fancy Ray McCloney's pretty entertaining, in a way, but he came in last... ---Lepus Rex |
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15 Aug 00 - 03:00 AM (#277989) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Big Mick Well, I was trying not to weigh in on this due to my connection to the campaign of Al Gore. But I must respond to my dear friend, Northfolk/Al Cholger. Al, you know that my sympathies lie on the far left end of the spectrum. But after some 31 years of fighting in wars, being in strikes, working with young men and women involved in gangs, community activism, union organizing and political activism, I have become very sensitive to the cost of my actions. It is like, when you know a strike is inevitable and you sit in your chair and worry for the casualties you know will come. After all these years I have come to the conclusion that the best change comes from within. Don't get me wrong, I am as radically oriented as I ever was. But my days of jousting with windmills and damn the cost, are over. Too many casualties. I have figured out by watching termites that I can achieve the goal, without the risk to those I represent, by eating at them from the inside. I recognize that we still need radical activism of the type that I practiced when I was much younger. It draws attention to the problems. But as for me, I work from within. This is the same reason that I haven't supported The Labor Party here in the states. I salute those, like yourself, who devote yourself to this way. But my time is best suited working from within. I will meet you in Promontory (oblique reference to the meeting of the transcontinental railways here in the US, for my friends from other places). So to bring this back to the topic at hand, I am supporting and working actively in the Gore/Lieberman campaign. I feel that to support any of the so called third party efforts will lead to a Bush Presidency. And the effect of that on our environment, labor laws, the fiscal health of our country, Social Security, and on and on is too horrible to contribute to. All the best, Mick |
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15 Aug 00 - 04:20 AM (#278016) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,JB Doug R., I meant that just because he's from Texas doesn't mean all Texans will vote for him, we know him too well. "All hat and no cattle" is one saying that comes to mind, which is how Doonsbury portrays him. |
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15 Aug 00 - 07:21 AM (#278072) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Okay, I now know who Jesse Helms is...oooo...scary, scary. How about a triple ticket of Jesse Jackson, Jesse Helms, and Jesse "the BODY" Ventura? They could run the country like Julius Caesar, Crassus, and Pompey in ancient Rome...by decree. That would be a lively scene. Of course, that coalition fell apart after a while and degenerated into a war, but it would be fun while it lasted, eh? |
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15 Aug 00 - 02:14 PM (#278283) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: McGrath of Harlow But Jessie Matthews looked a lot better and could sing and dance. That's a proper Jessie. |
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15 Aug 00 - 02:49 PM (#278292) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lepus Rex Sayyyyy, McGrath... She IS better than Ventura. I'd vote for her! ---Lepus Rex |
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15 Aug 00 - 04:00 PM (#278351) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Guest J.B., I knew what you meant I was just giving you a friendly jab. :>) DougR |
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15 Aug 00 - 07:02 PM (#278421) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Don Firth An old friend once said that he favored hereditary monarchy over democracy. He explained: "The hereditary monarch is trained for the job from birth, and within recent generations at least, he or she usually doesn't even want it. Generally these days, kings and queens do at least a halfway decent job, or at least try to avoid looking like a complete jackass. In a democracy, leadership goes to people who want it. That makes me immediately suspicious. If somebody wants the job, they're probably the last person on earth who should have it!" But since we have the system we have, I'm afraid I have to go with Gore/Lieberman. One advantage of Gore getting in there is the book he wrote eight or nine years ago, "Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit." He says some pretty heavy-duty stuff in that, and if he doesn't get on the stick about environmental issues, that book is sure as hell going to come back to haunt him. All in all, I think he's generally okay. I really favor Nader, but he's an idealist and I'm afraid that if he actually got elected, the "Powers That Be" would eat him alive, if not assassinate him. I'm afraid, sadly but realistically, it takes more of a Machiavellian to be effective in that job. Sigh. . . . In response to Lonesome EJ: Although fairly close, I don't quite fit the demographics as outlined. I'm at least middle-aged and on the brink of geezerhood. I have never owned a pair of sandals in my life. Granted, I would much rather sit around strumming my six string (classic) rather than hold down a steady job, but since I'm retired from the dreaded nine-to-five, I can and do. My main job right now -- self imposed -- is writing a retrospective on the folk music scene in Seattle during the Fifties and Sixties. And I seem to be spending more time milling around the Mudcat these days. I have no knowledge of stock trading (and my Social Security check doesn't supply my with enough funds to fiddle with even if I did). Also, I was never a member of the SDS. In fact, during the Sixties I was an Ayn Rand fanatic! I'm a lot mellower now. . . . Don Firth |
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15 Aug 00 - 07:11 PM (#278429) Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Ayn Rand...the perfect mate for Jesse Helms. Sort of like Conrad Black and Barbara Amiel (they're Canadian)...he's filthy rich and she's a very smart and very good looking right winger with a penchant for journalism and expensive jewelry. Conrad Black owns most of the printed media in Canada. Think of him as our version of Darth Vader. Conrad actually lives in England now, and probably has secret ambitions to be King one day...for that matter, Barbara would make an unforgettable queen as well. Some Canadiana for you to chew over. |