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Who's Eric Bogle?

15 Aug 00 - 06:12 AM (#278048)
Subject: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,Fedele (not a guest but I´m in Germany now)

I just know he wrote "The Band played Waltzing Matilda" (heard from The Pogues), "Now I´m Easy" (Dubliners), "My Youngest Son Came Home Today" (Billy Bragg). I once tried to look for him on the net but, you know, with all that crap around... So maybe it´s better if I ask the Mudcat.
Oh, by the way, what´s your favourite site about Dubliners? (Same thing to say).


15 Aug 00 - 06:16 AM (#278051)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: InOBU

Eric Bogal is a Scott living in Austrailia who wrote most of the best songs of the past thrity some years... Larry


15 Aug 00 - 06:36 AM (#278055)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: McGrath of Harlow

Here's an Eric Bogle home page Pretty exhaustive. He's OK.


15 Aug 00 - 07:12 AM (#278066)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Little Hawk

Yeah, he's quite enjoyable to see. Did a concert in Orillia maybe a year and a half ago. You've got to hear his song "He's Nobody's Moggie Now"...it's about a dead cat. Very funny! Also "Plastic Paddy"...it's about cheap rip-off hackneyed quasi-Irish pub bands. Ever see one of those?

He likes the word "specious" too, so if you meet him be sure to find a way of slipping it into the conversation.

Ha ha. It's an in joke between me and Eric's band. Ask the lead guitar player.


15 Aug 00 - 07:53 AM (#278088)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca

Love that Nobody's Moggy Now. It is QUITE a hoot!


15 Aug 00 - 08:49 AM (#278111)
Subject: RE: WhoÝs Eric Bogle?
From: Jon Freeman

I think I prefer the dog one (Little Gomez) to the cat one but I found them both ammusing. I think my current favourite of his is "A Reason For it All" and the "Leaving Of Nancy" has been a long time favourite of mine. Eric Bogle has written many great songs.

Jon


15 Aug 00 - 10:32 AM (#278154)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Naemanson

The best description of an Eric Bogle concert that I've heard is that it is an emotional roller coaster. He'll have you rolling in the aisles with one song and crying in your beer with the next one.


15 Aug 00 - 05:32 PM (#278384)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Susanne (skw)

Jon, do you have a link to the words of 'Reason For It All'? I tried both DT and SuperSearch with no luck. I only have a bad tape recording of it, very hard to understand. It seems to be an untypically 'spiritual' song for Eric! - Susanne


15 Aug 00 - 11:42 PM (#278558)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,late 'n short

Susanne,

Lyrics for Eric's songs are hard to come by. Both of his song books are out of print. For what it's worth, "A Reason For It All" is in one of them. It's also on the "Scraps of Paper" album if you need to find a clear version. I'm not sure what you mean by "spiritual" but many of Eric's songs touch me at a level that is deeper than "human". I've only seen him once in person and before singing several of his songs, he gave us the story behind them; the inspiration if you will, that gave new meaning to the words I'd heard many times.

Dan


16 Aug 00 - 05:26 PM (#279102)
Subject: Lyr Add: THE REASON FOR IT ALL (Bogle)
From: Nynia

Hi, the following is how he sung The Reason For It All when touring Scotland with John Monroe in March 1982. The caps are EB and the rest JM. Eric said he wrote the song after reading about the incident in an Australian newspaper. What struck him was that Clare's son & daughter both lived in Sydney, not even that far away from her.

THE REASON FOR IT ALL.


SUNSHINE POURING ON THE CITY, IT'S ANOTHER LOVELY DAY IN SIDNEY
SUNSHINE POURING DOWN LIKE HONEY, IN A GOLDEN WATERFALL
BUT IN THE ROOM WHERE CLARE LIES DYING, NO SUNSHINE SENDS THE SHADOWS FLYING
NO CHILDREN GATHER 'ROUND HER CRYING, THERE'S NO-ONE THERE AT ALL
EXCEPT PERHAPS FOR THE MAN WHO SEES EACH LITTLE SPARROW FALL
Don't talk to me of lonely souls dying, dark, quiet rooms, and old people dying
I don't want to hear it, I don't want to hear it at all
Lonely old people die every day, don't blame me, I didn't make it that way
That's just how it is, don't look for a reason for it all

WINTER WEEPING ON THE CITY, A WET AND WINDY DAY IN SIDNEY
RAINDROPS FALLING FAT AND HEAVY, DOWN CLARE'S WINDOW PANE
THE RAINDROPS ON THE TIN ROOF BEATING, DISTURB THE RATS AS THEY ARE FEEDING
BACK TO THEIR NESTS THEY ALL GO CREEPING, LEAVING CLARE ALONE AGAIN
IT'S BEEN A LONG AND LONELY TIME SINCE CLARE COULD HEAR THE RAIN
Don't talk to me of the meaning of life, don't sing your songs that cut like a knife
I don't want to hear it, I don't want to hear it at all
Lonely people are not my concern, from dust we come, to dust we return
That's just how it is, don't look for a reason for it all

SPRINGTIME'S COME AT LAST TO SIDNEY, THE FLOWERS BLOOMING IN THE CITY
IN ALL THEIR MULTI-COLOURED GLORY, THEY RISE TO GREET THE YEAR
MEMORIES IN SHAME RECALLING, FOOTSTEPS ON THE FRONT PORCH FALLING
VOICES THROUGH THE WINDOW CALLING, IS ANYBODY THERE
CLARE CAMPBELL'S LOST AND LONELY SOUL IS A LONG, LONG WAY FROM HERE
Don't talk to me about life's seasons, don't ask me for answers, don't ask me for reasons
That's just how it is, don't look for a reason for it all
Man can go crazy if he keeps asking why, yeah man can go crazy if he keeps asking why
That's just how it is, don't look for a reason for it all

CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, THERE MUST BE A REASON, THERE MUST BE A WAY
TO MAKE SOME SENSE OF IT, TO TRY TO FIND A REASON FOR IT ALL
WE ARE NOT BORN JUST SO WE CAN DIE, THERE MUST BE A REASON AND WE'VE GOT TO TRY
TO MAKE SOME SENSE OF IT, TO TRY TO FIND A REASON FOR IT ALL
Don't talk to me about life's seasons, don't ask me for answers, don't ask me for reasons
That's just how it is, don't look for a reason for it all
From the moment we're born, we start to die, man can go crazy if he keeps asking why
That's just how it is, don't look for a reason for it all
That's just how it is, don't look for a reason for it all
OH THERE MUST BE A WAY, THERE MUST BE A REASON FOR IT ALL


All the best, Nynia.


16 Aug 00 - 05:31 PM (#279110)
Subject: Lyr Add: HE'S NOBODY'S MOGGY NOW (Eric Bogle)^^^
From: Nynia

HE'S NOBODY'S MOGGY NOW.

Somebody's moggy by the side of the road,
Somebody's pussy who forgot his Highway Code,
Someone's favorite feline pet who run clear out of luck
When he ran onto the road and tried to argue with a truck:
Yesterday he purred and played in his pussy paradise,
Decapitating tweety-birds and masticating mice.
Now he's just six pounds of raw minced meat that don't smell very nice.
He's nobody's moggy now.

All you who love your pussy, be sure to keep him in.
Don't let him argue with a truck; the truck is sure to win.
And out on the busy roadway, don't you let him play or frolic,
'Cause if you do, I'm warning you, it could be catastrophic.
If you let him play out on the road, I'm afraid that will be that.
There will be one last despairing meow and a rather squelchy splat
And your pussy will be slightly dead and very, very flat.
He's nobody's moggy, just red and flat and soggy.
He's nobody's moggy now.

Nynia.^^^

This song got into DT under the title "Nobody's Moggy" -- an unfortunate mistake. The correct title is "He's Nobody's Moggy Now". Title corrected in this message. --JoeClone, 17-Sep-02.


16 Aug 00 - 07:14 PM (#279177)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Susanne (skw)

Thank you so much, Nynia! This is going to help a lot. 'Nobody's Moggy' cannot have been written by a cat lover! It always makes me glad I don't have to worry too much about cars where I and my FSO (feline significant other ...) live.
Dan, I didn't mean to say Eric's songs are shallow or anything - certainly not. His war trilogy and 'My Youngest Son' in particular are deeply felt. However, his style is usually very down-to-earth - concrete images that trigger emotions and speculation on the listeners' part, perhaps, but keep their feet solidly on the ground. 'Reason' seemed very different to me - a dialogue between two worlds, or two layers of our world, thus leaving the solid ground. - Susanne


17 Aug 00 - 01:04 PM (#279665)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Mickey191

Eric Bogle just apeared Sat. at the "Town Crier" restaura nt in Pawling , N.Y. and was terrific. Sad & funny, crowd loved him-and he got great reviews.


06 Sep 01 - 08:48 PM (#544001)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull


06 Sep 01 - 10:56 PM (#544097)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: SINSULL

Singer/songwriter??? I thought he was just one of Kendall's fans. (Check the threads - Captain Morse received a very flattering note from Eric Bogle re: his recording of "The Band Played Waltzing Mathilda")


07 Sep 01 - 02:05 AM (#544191)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,Boab

Eric was reared in Peebles-shire---I think in the little township of Broughton.[His "Belle o' Broughton" refers to his mother, who is also, I believe, the subject of his "Farewell Nancy".] A wonderful "versifier", for me his best is "No-man's Land"--often misnamed "the Green Fields of France".


07 Sep 01 - 02:53 AM (#544218)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Amergin

belle of broughton refers to his grandmother....it talks about the way his grandfather saw her...

and his mother is indeed Nancy...


07 Sep 01 - 04:33 AM (#544249)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: shankmac

I thought Eric Bogle was best known for writing the theme tune to "Skippy the bush kangeroo".


07 Sep 01 - 12:06 PM (#544503)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: voyager

Leave us not forget....

A Traditional FolkSinger's Lament

http://members.nbci.com/elstongunn/trad.html

"I'll sing anything, even God Save the King But I just won't sing any Bob Dylan!"


07 Sep 01 - 07:06 PM (#544833)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Wotcha

I saw Eric in concert at the Abbey Pub, Chicago last year ... pretty poor turnout for a city that size I might add. Eric's fascination with history made him a natural to pen some modern classic folk songs. A great presence as a performer. His songs are sometimes attributed to others.
Cheers,
Brian


08 Sep 01 - 03:11 AM (#545025)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,Boab

Ah, Amergin----we cannae be richt a' the time-----I was close though!


26 Apr 04 - 11:17 PM (#1171890)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,Puzzled Wombat

Didn't he also write asong called "Goodbye Lucky Country?" About finding Australia much less generous than he had expected when he arrived there?

"you held your wallet to your chest
"and said the hell with all the rest"

are the only words I can remember from that song. Anyone got any other clues, comments, etc?


26 Apr 04 - 11:41 PM (#1171901)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Bob Bolton

G'day Puzzled Wombat,

Goodbye Lucky Country is, indeed, one of Wee Eric's more morose offerings. I think Eric has a few "emotional rollcoaster" rides (cf Naemanson's 15 August 00 post above) himself. Australia has some good points and some bad points - and Eric sees them all far too clearly for his peace of mind.

He's great value, as too many Australians let their peace of mind obscure anything that don't want to see - and our Prime Minister would like them to see even less!.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


27 Apr 04 - 02:47 AM (#1171965)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST, anon

Over-rated and smug. Got lucky with a couple of good songs (okay - that's more than most of us, including me!) but really no better than many club performers.

imho


27 Apr 04 - 04:35 AM (#1172027)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: George Papavgeris

Brilliant songwriter. My own favourites are:

a) "As if he knows", telling the story of how, at the end of WWI, the Aussie Cavalry had to kill their own horses (which they had been asked to take along to war) because the state wouldn't pay for the cost to repatriate them. Each soldier would have to kill his mate's horse, so that nobody had to kill their own four-legged comrade.

b) "The gift of years", telling of a visit to the Dardanelles of a veteran of the war there, 70 years on, and "talking" to his fallen comrades ("Well, mate, here I am..."). Never fails to cause me to blub helplessly.

He's no two-hit wonder, he's the real thing. Unpretentious, tells it as it is.


27 Apr 04 - 04:39 AM (#1172029)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: DaveA

Don't you just love these brave critics who won't put a name to their jealous rants!!!

Eric has been writing his own ecletic mix of social comment & humour for more than 20 years now & is still as approachable as he was in the eighties.
Smug???? No way!!!
Aware of his talent & grateful for it.

However, as a down to earth bloke, I'm sure Eric realises that envy is the most sincere form of flattery.


27 Apr 04 - 05:13 AM (#1172039)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: tooligan

I can only imagine Anon Guest is trying to stir things up a bit or perhaps he has no understanding of what the music is all about.


27 Apr 04 - 06:10 AM (#1172065)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Dave Bryant

It's quite amusing to see how many of his songs have been adopted by the Irish (probably due to "The Furies") - even to the extent that they refuse to believe that they were written by an Australian Scot. "No-man's Land" (Green Fields of France), and "Leaving Nancy" are two examples.

Among my favourites of his lesser known songs are
IF WISHES WERE FISHES and
SAFE IN THE HARBOUR.

There is also this wonderful parody of two of his songs at once NOBODY'S MOGGY'S LAND.


27 Apr 04 - 06:37 AM (#1172084)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Hrothgar

El Greko

I think the reason for killing the horses was the quarantine problem, not cost.

I believe that it was suggested that they just be left behind, to benefit the countries like Egypt etc where they were. The Light Horsemen had seen the way horses were treated there and wouldn't stand for it.

All I need now is someone to ask me to support that with a reference, and then I'm really in it. That's a deep memory from somewhere - maybe my father, who was a British cavalryman himself.


27 Apr 04 - 07:51 AM (#1172130)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Strollin' Johnny

Hrothgar, I reckon you're correct - that's the explanation Eric gives himself in the sleeve notes of his CD (he says they were in Palestine, but the same motives for killing them rather than leaving them to be badly treated by the natives).

BTW, 'Safe In The Harbour' (mentioned by someone above) is Eric's 'Tribute Song' to Stan Rogers, of whom he's a great fan. It contains one of the greatest-ever opening lines - "Have you stood by the ocean on a diamond-hard morning, and felt the horizon stir deep in your soul". I sure have.

Ignore GUEST - he's got shit for brains.

Johnny


27 Apr 04 - 09:57 AM (#1172241)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: George Papavgeris

Now you mention it, Hrothgar/Johnny, I also remember Eric saying that in his intro last year. Senior moment...(they last months these days).


27 Apr 04 - 02:54 PM (#1172512)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,chinmusic

Would anybody know the words to one of Eric's songs that starts off 'we are well met my friends' and the verse ends something like 'shall all be lost in the sound of singing.' Much obliged.


27 Apr 04 - 04:59 PM (#1172654)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: John MacKenzie

The song is called The Sound of Singing, and he uses it to open his first set quite often. I have it on CD, but haven't memorised the words, I'm sure someone will come up with them soon.
John...Who likes it too.


27 Apr 04 - 05:33 PM (#1172680)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,Penguin Egg

I first heard Eric Bogle's songwriting abilities when June Tabor recorded "The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" on her debut album. I checked out Eric and found that he had written many other wonderful songs. However, it has to be said that they all appeared on his first two albums, "Now I'm Easy" and "Scraps of Paper." He has done nothing of value from the 80s onwards. If you get those two albums, both recorded in the 70s, you will have all the songs mentioned in the other postings.


27 Apr 04 - 06:38 PM (#1172726)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Bill Hahn//\\

I surely agree with the comment about "Guest"---he (Guest) probably is the lounge act he refers to. Bogle, to me, is the consumate performer and writer. Insights, persona on the stage, raconteour, you name it.

He can go from deep and thoughtful material to something that will have you split your sides laughing.    The story of the horses is so poigbant and he does explain that in the liner notes. Almost like hearing a drama of great sadness in under 5 minutes. Something like Woody Guthrie's synoposis of The Grapes of Wrath in Tom Joad.


Bill Hahn


27 Apr 04 - 06:53 PM (#1172734)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Amergin

Penguin Egg, have you even bothered to listen to his other albums? If not, I suggest checking them out and quit being so short sighted. The man is a wonderful song writer and a nice fellow to boot.


28 Apr 04 - 03:02 AM (#1172954)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST, anon

Thanks for your considered respect for my humble opinion. (Or do I mean for showing me I was right to be anon!)

It's a question of personal taste: I called it like I see it. Matilda and No Man's Land are timeless classics. Some of the rest aren't. That's all. Some maukish, some of the "humorous" ones are peurile - even if they include a couple of snappy couplets - and many just dull. And delivered competently but unexceptionally.

Still imho and even more "anon" than before.


28 Apr 04 - 04:25 AM (#1173003)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: matai

One of the first folk songs I remember hearing was 'Now I'm Easy', by Eric Bogle. I was a solo Mother with very small children and could relate to the song even though it is about 50 years of being a cocky (cattle-farmer) I longed for the day when I could be easy, I doubted it would ever come. He has guested at several New Zealand Folk Festivals and only seems to improve with age. Last time he teamed up with a chap called John Munroe. They formed an excellent duo.

Matai


28 Apr 04 - 05:28 AM (#1173038)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: The Fooles Troupe

Quarrantine was the reason for the killing of all military animals taken out of Australia, or for leaving them alive with willing locals. The WWI Aussies in the Middle East had seen how local horses were treated, so preferred that they not be made to suffer. A few apparently did survive, with trusted locals. Recently there was a special Anzac Day TV doco that showed the same happened to Dogs taken to Vietnam.

Recent changes to Quarrantine Regulations, now allow the animals to be brought back and kept in quarrantine until they are deemd safe.

Robin


28 Apr 04 - 06:01 AM (#1173048)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST, anon

Poor old horses. Doesn't quite match up to the horror and scale of the Gallipoli landing which Matilda does a first rate job of depicting, though, does it? I still cry when I hear that song done well.


28 Apr 04 - 06:48 AM (#1173079)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Strollin' Johnny

'The Sound Of Singing' - Eric Bogle.

We are well met my friends, in this place tonight
Though some of us are strangers to each other
The many paths that brought us here shall mingle and unite
As we walk down this same path together
And so when the music starts open up your heart
Let it soar like a lark in early morning
Sorrow care or fear tonight have no place here
They shall all soon disappear in the sound of singing.

This modern world we live in leaves us little room for choice
Small simple dreams are often derided
But tonight we shall combine in one simple human voice
Tonight we shall be not divided
So for these few hours at least let your spirit be released
May you find peace if peace is what you're seeking
The frantic ceaseless roar of the world outside your door
Shall this night fade before the sound of singing.

And so when the music starts open up your heart
Let it soar like a lark in early morning
Sorrow care or fear tonight have no place here
They shall all soon disappear in the sound of singing.

MAGIC!! And all from memory.

Enjoy!

Johnny :0)


28 Apr 04 - 06:58 AM (#1173080)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Strollin' Johnny

Are you proud of me Sooz? :0)


28 Apr 04 - 07:09 AM (#1173085)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,chinmusic

Many thanks, Strollin' Johnny.


28 Apr 04 - 12:46 PM (#1173278)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Pistachio

Eric Bogle - what a performer. He delivers thought provoking musical stories with emotion and depth. Songs from the heart, with a touch of sorrow, or just priceless in the humour department.
I first saw Eric in Nellies, Beverley, when John Munro joined him and just last year they were back in Cottingham, East Yorkshire.

I am a Scot myself so maybe that's why I like the Bogle sound.

Neither over-rated nor smug. ('Anon'. may not like him, "not to his personal taste"), but many more do.


28 Apr 04 - 02:05 PM (#1173331)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Sooz

I'm very impressed Johnny. Saved me the trouble!


28 Apr 04 - 02:14 PM (#1173342)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,Penguin Egg

Amergin. Honestly, I do like Bogle and consider myself to be a big fan. Yes, I have listened to his other albums and have found them to be pretty feeble compaired to his first two albums. He is not the only artist to have burnt himself up after his initial effort and there is no disgrace in it. However, to pretend that all his work is uniformly great is to do his talent a great disservice.


28 Apr 04 - 06:52 PM (#1173568)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Bill Hahn//\\

Have you heard his latest album? The Colour of Dreams.

Bill Hahn


28 Apr 04 - 07:32 PM (#1173604)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Joybell

For the record "Skippy the Bush Kangaroo" was around long before Eric Bogle arrived here. Someone will know who wrote it but I'd bet it wasn't him. Joy


29 Apr 04 - 01:39 PM (#1174217)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)

I like Eric Bogle and so does my dad Jim, my Sister Jean gave him a kiss in Australia.

I think he's better than Bob Dylan, the reason is that when Eric bogle sings, you can hear every word, but with Bob Dylan I can't.


29 Apr 04 - 04:02 PM (#1174348)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,Larry K

One of the greatest songwriters of our generation.    And a nice person as well.


29 Apr 04 - 09:03 PM (#1174540)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: GUEST,Pat Cooksey.

I never met Eric, but we have many frieds in common, during my
gigs I sing several songs by Eric, it matters not where in Europe
I sing his songs, the emotion transcends language, from one who has
been known to write a song or two in his time, I salute you.


29 Apr 04 - 10:23 PM (#1174575)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: bflat

He's the laddie of the Bogle's from Scotland, now living in Australia.

Ellen


30 Apr 04 - 07:24 AM (#1174855)
Subject: RE: Who´s Eric Bogle?
From: Joybell

To tie up the Skippy problem. "Skippy the Bush Kangaroo" was written by Eric Jupp. Ref. Blackcatter's site on theme songs. Joy