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25 Aug 00 - 08:03 PM (#285358) Subject: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: Margaret V I've just learned "The Plains of Waterloo" from the Kate Rusby/Kathryn Roberts album and have been wondering if anyone can provide information about this version. I've read the previous forum threads on the song, and one person mentioned that this version might be similar to one in Sam Henry's "Songs of the People." I guess I'm trying to get a sense of whether their arrangement has affected the essence of the melody, or if it's pretty true to the traditional form. Thanks. Margaret Search for "Rusby" threadsSearch for "Waterloo" threads |
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25 Aug 00 - 10:25 PM (#285430) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: Anglo The melody is not from Sam Henry, but it looks as if the text is. The melody they use is essentially the one from O.J. Abbott, collected in Ontario by Edith Fowke, though they took a few liberties with the tune. (It was a bit if a folk hit a few years ago, and a couple of notes in the B section were changed, e.g. the high note was collected as the major third of the scale but almost everyone sang it flattened - I don't know who did it first). This version has the middle section changed again, somewhat differently. I suppose it might be from a different traditional source, but I tend to suspect that they just changed it. There's a nice recent recording of what has become the "classic" version on a Mick Ryan/Pete Sumner CD, where Mick sings it a cappella. |
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25 Aug 00 - 11:09 PM (#285450) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: Margaret V Anglo, thank you very much indeed, that is exactly what I was interested in finding out. In fact it was that flatted third that made me wonder about the arrangement in the first place. I think I will try to find the Mick Ryan version. Again, thanks. Margaret |
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25 Aug 00 - 11:21 PM (#285456) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: Anglo I don't know where you are, but the CD is Mick Ryan & Pete Harris (sorry I got the name wrong before), Hard Season, Wild Goose WGS 295 (UK). In the US it's available from Andy's Front Hall, and possibly from Camsco. |
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25 Aug 00 - 11:31 PM (#285461) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: Margaret V Anglo, you're the best! After a rather fruitless search, I was just coming back here to ask if you could give me more information on the album, and behold you've already done so. By the way, I'm in New York state. You? |
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26 Aug 00 - 12:41 AM (#285489) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: Anglo New York State. |
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09 Mar 06 - 07:59 AM (#1689080) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: GUEST,Cesara Hi.. does anyone know where I can find the lyrics and chords for Plains of Waterloo (Rusby/Roberts)? My sister wants me to sing it at her wedding so I'd appreciate a swift response so I can actually practise! Thanks, Partisan Cesara |
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10 Mar 06 - 05:04 AM (#1689848) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: GUEST,gordon tyrrall I recorded The Plains Of Waterloo years ago on my album,The Bridge Flows(no longer available).The version most of us sing was collected by Edith Fowke,as mentioned above, - I sang my version for her once or twice - I think she liked it! You can find it in The Penguin Book Of Canadian Folk Songs.I keep to the original tune - i.e. unflattened third on the high bit. gordon |
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10 Mar 06 - 08:42 PM (#1690384) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: Compton One of the best versions I've heard was (seemingly hundreds of years ago) by Tom Gillfellon and the High level Ranters. Anybody else remember that version? |
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11 Mar 06 - 04:40 AM (#1690482) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: GUEST,Kathryn It's a while ago, but I seem to remember learning this out of a book collection of the High Level Ranters songs and tunes.I have a vague recollection of the tune being in a different time signature, but with the enthusiasm of youth, not stopping to worry about tweaking it to suit me !! All the best Kathryn Roberts |
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22 Jun 07 - 03:11 PM (#2084284) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: GUEST,aoliandorian message to Gordon Tyrrall I still have copies of Cassette and CD available for sale pjmusic@btinternet.com |
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22 Jun 07 - 04:31 PM (#2084350) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: GUEST,Gordon T Thanks - there are some sad deluded people who might well be interested.Mostly they are after my John Clare piece "Song". |
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22 Jun 07 - 05:05 PM (#2084377) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: GerryMc [Thread hijack] Hi Kathryn I'm just editing some photos for your mum and dad (they came to me gig on Wednesday in Wombwell, bless 'em) including some of you and Sean from Otley. PM me with an email address if you'd like some copies. Thanks for sending the CDs up with Jamie. Lovely stuff. Cheers Hope you're well and that you've got your feet up! Gerry :-) [/Thread hijack] |
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22 Jun 07 - 08:14 PM (#2084506) Subject: RE: Rusby/Roberts Plains of Waterloo From: Herga Kitty June Tabor used to sing a pretty good version. I dredged it out of my memory while travelling on the bus to the Herga folk club on Monday, and sang it because Monday was the 18th of June. The version I know is similar to (but not the same as) one of the versions in the DT As I was a-walking one midsummer's morning Down by the gay banks of a clear flowing stream I overheard a maid making sad lamentation So I drew myself in ambush to hear her sad refrain Through the woods she walked along, made the valleys to ring While the small feathered songsters around her they flew Saying the wars are all now over and peace it is returned again But my Willie's not returning from the plains of Waterloo I stepped up unto her and said, my fairest creature Oh, may I make inquiry as to what's your true love's name For I have been in battle where the cannons loud do rattle And by your own description, well I might have known the same Willie Smith's my true love's name, he's a hero of great fame Though he's gone and he's left me in sorrow, it's true There's none shall me enjoy but my own darling boy But my Willie's not returning from the plains of Waterloo If Willie Smith's your true love's name, he's a hero of great fame He and I have been in battle through many's the long campaign Through Italy and Russia, through Germany and Prussia He was my loyal comrade through France and through Spain Until by the French we were surrounded And like heroes of old, we did them subdue We fought for three days until at length we did defeat him That proud Napoleon Boney on the plains of Waterloo On the eighteenth day of June we ended the battle Leaving many the proud hero in sorrow for to mourn Where the drums did loudly beat and the cannons they did rattle It was by a young French soldier your William he was slain And as I drew near where he lay a-bleeding I skirted the field to bid him adieu In a soft faltering voice, these words he kept repeating Fare you well my lovely Annie, you are far from Waterloo And when the fair young maid heard this sad acclamation Her red rosy cheeks they grew pale, sad and wan She lamented this young man with sad lamentation But he said, my lovely Annie well I am the very one. And here is the ring that between us was broken In the depths of all dangers to remind me of you And she fell into his arms when she beheld the token Saying, welcome dearest Willie from the plains of Waterloo. Kitty |
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30 Jun 07 - 04:47 PM (#2091114) Subject: RE: Origin: Plains of Waterloo (from Rusby/Roberts) From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Kitty - the version you've cited is the one I learned years and years ago from Shirley and Dolly Collins.I've never heard it by June Tabor. On another topic........you said in an ancient post that your copy of the Penguin Book of English Folk Songs has a price of 5/- marked on it. I looked at mine and it has 3/6d! Hope Osmington went well - I'm sure it did! |
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30 Jun 07 - 05:01 PM (#2091125) Subject: RE: Origin: Plains of Waterloo (from Rusby/Roberts) From: The Borchester Echo My copy of the English Book Of Penguin Folk Songs cost 5/- (that's 25p). I first heard Plains Of Waterloo (all 12 and a half minutes) sung by Gordon Hall. |
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30 Jun 07 - 06:55 PM (#2091196) Subject: RE: Origin: Plains of Waterloo (from Rusby/Roberts) From: The Sandman Hello,Diane,I hope you enjoyed Gordon Halls version,it is a beautiful song, when sung well. |
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01 Jul 07 - 04:39 AM (#2091431) Subject: RE: Origin: Plains of Waterloo (from Rusby/Robert From: Dave Hanson 1969 edition 25p or 5 shillings, it's well tatty now. I suddenly feel very old. eric |
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01 Jul 07 - 04:49 AM (#2091433) Subject: RE: Origin: Plains of Waterloo (from Rusby/Roberts) From: The Borchester Echo It is, but the most stunning of Gordon Hall's Bonaparte songs was Grand Conversation On Napoleon, revived a couple of years ago by Barry Dransfield on the CD Unruly. Oh, lamentations for the Empress Of Russia, gone and Islington's the poorer for it. |
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01 Jul 07 - 06:43 AM (#2091489) Subject: RE: Origin: Plains of Waterloo (from Rusby/Roberts) From: KeithofChester The first version of The Plains of Waterloo I came across was from Paul Downes. It is on his 1980 Life Goes On album. |
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30 Sep 10 - 04:57 PM (#2997099) Subject: RE: Origin: Plains of Waterloo (from Rusby/Roberts) From: GUEST,geeem Thread resurrection...thanks for having the words here. I've blogged at: http://geeem.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/post-folk/ about Gordon Tyrrall's singing of this song. Keep it up! |