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10 Sep 00 - 05:41 AM (#294471) Subject: Lyr Add: THE SUN AND THE MOON (Bill Lowndes)^^ From: Gervase THE SUN AND THE MOON (Bill Lowndes) Wisht my babby, and dinna you cry, For the Sun and the Moon's tumbled down from the sky. Your da's away, and he will nae be back, For he died in the mine when the timbering cracked. And people who walk about never ask why,Sometimes he was bad, sometimes he was good But he'd sweat like a devil down there for our food. Sometimes we were happy, sometimes we would sing, And sometimes together our bodies would cling. Wisht my babby, for now I must rest From trying to think what to do for the best; For the poorhouse is waiting if I can't pay the rent, And the pittance I got when he died is near spent. Come my babby, we'll up and away, We will not stay here one more sad lonely day. We'll go to your nan's; you'll grow up so tall, And when you're a man you'll be wisest of all. Then go out and teach all those foolish ones whyGW From the singing of Don Shepherd ^^ |
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10 Sep 00 - 09:27 AM (#294528) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: GUEST This is a wonderful song, one I love to sing and one I wish I had written. |
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10 Sep 00 - 05:26 PM (#294705) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: Susanne (skw) Gervase, the version I know (sung by Iain MacKintosh a long time ago) uses the same words but with your second verse as the chorus. Also, I got it from an album sleeve (I think) that it was actually written by Don Shepard. Where did you get Bill Lowndes's name from? And can you enlighten us as to the song's background or the reason why it was written? I agree it's a beautiful song, and I share our guest's envy. - Thanks, Susanne |
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11 Sep 00 - 10:05 AM (#294976) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: Gervase Don himself credits to Bill Lowndes on the sleeve notes for his LP TheSun and the Moon, recorded back in the late Seventies. As to why Lowndes wrote it, I can't enlighten you. It comes across as a Scottish song, but Bill himself has had his roots in Cornwall or somewhere west for a good many years, as far as I know. Whatever, it's one of my favourites... |
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11 Sep 00 - 03:00 PM (#295147) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: Joe Offer Gervase, is that second verse a chorus, repeated after each verse? I assume that it is, because you had indented the text when you typed it. I added <blockquote> </blockquote> tags so your indents would show up. Nice song. Any way we can get the melody for it? -Joe Offer- |
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12 Sep 00 - 05:54 AM (#295546) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: Gervase The second verse (and the last) is indeed supposed to be the chorus. I'll try to work out the abc for the tune - but this is a man who can't read tadpoles, so it may take a day or so... |
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12 Sep 00 - 07:14 PM (#296048) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: Susanne (skw) Thanks, Gervase. One more error deleted! BTW, I don't think the song has a specially Scottish feel to it. This must have occurred in any coalfield. I suppose I have a soft spot for the song because it reminds me of my father, whom my mother lost after a 17-year, exceptionally close marriage when I was 14. And he wasn't even a miner! (A builder, in fact.) Does that say something about the song's power, or is that wishful thinking? - Susanne |
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21 Sep 00 - 05:13 PM (#302548) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: GUEST,Guest I have a Judy Dunlop CD 5023387010627 which includes a short version of this. She credits it as traditional. Joe Offer might be able to find the CD or perhaps Judy has a website so that he could hear it. |
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21 Sep 00 - 11:52 PM (#302807) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: GUEST,karen k - lost cookie Joe, I can sing this for you at the Getaway if you want. It's a wonderful song. |
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20 Jul 01 - 12:03 PM (#511191) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: MMario Joe? Did you ever get a tune for this? If not, does anyone have it? |
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20 Jul 01 - 05:44 PM (#511530) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: GUEST,Willa I have this on the Judy Dunlop album too. Can try to do you an abc, but be warned, I'm no expert at this. X:1 T:Sun and the Moon M:3/4 K:C C2E IG3 IAcA IG2E IFEF IDGF IEFD IC2G IC2E IG2G IAcA I G2E IFEF IDGF IEFD IC2 Chorus G IcBc IAdc IBcA IG2G IcBc IAdc IbcA IG2G ICCE IG2G IAcA IG2E IFEF IDGF IEFD IC2z Can't do the bar lines, so they appear as Upper case I's MMario, if this is of use to you, I'll be very glad, as I have had plenty of help from you before now. |
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23 Jul 01 - 09:11 AM (#512509) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: MMario Thanks willa, I should be able to take it from there.... |
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23 Jul 01 - 11:10 AM (#512598) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: MMario pulled it into NWC and this is what I ended up with....
MIDI file: pensharp.mid Timebase: 192 Name: PENCIL SHARPENING SHANTY / Nude I Mention This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the latest version of MIDItext and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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23 Jul 01 - 11:11 AM (#512599) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: MMario ignore the above - wrong thread... |
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23 Jul 01 - 11:13 AM (#512601) Subject: Tune Add: THE SUN AND THE MOON (Bill Lowndes) From: MMario THIS is what I meant to post above....
MIDI file: sunmoon.mid Timebase: 192 Name: Sun and the Moon This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the latest version of MIDItext and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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12 Oct 05 - 05:23 PM (#1581720) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: GUEST,tamsynscoble@hotmail .com i am bill lowndes grandaughter and he is over the moon that his songs are still appriciated |
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12 Oct 05 - 06:12 PM (#1581752) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon From: treaties1 Dear guest tamsyncoble, thankyou for your verification thet Bill Lowndes is the author of this great song. I learnt it a long time ago from Bram Taylor of Leigh, Lancs near where I live.I actually wrote to your grandfather asking if it was alright for me to sing it though I never received a reply. Please tell him it was always well received and still is. Did he ever live in Lancashire where pit disasters often happened? Karen perhaps we can sing this together at the Getaway. I'm off in the morning and look forward to seeing you again and Mmario et al Theresa |
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13 Oct 05 - 07:59 AM (#1582145) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: GUEST Lots of people thought it was a Don Shepherd song, because he recorded it and used to sing it a lot. Whatever happened to Don Shepherd ? |
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13 Oct 05 - 07:29 PM (#1582711) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: Susanne (skw) Guest, would your grandfather perhaps be willing to share a little background with us, such as where the idea for the song came from? |
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07 Sep 08 - 06:47 PM (#2433647) Subject: RE: Don Shepard From: GUEST,Some information Don Shepard is from Suffolk where he had a vineyard. He recorded 2 solo albums for Sweet Folk All(Joe Steads old label) Don moved to ? I heard a rumour that he passed away can anyone confirm it? Don stayed with me when he toured some of the eastern states which i helped him get gigs his brother in law Richard accompanied him because he had calipers because of his polio and also used a wheelchair. Please send any infomation to me at budsrec@icdc.com Thanks Bud Manning |
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19 Sep 13 - 06:32 AM (#3559777) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: GUEST where can I hear this song, heard in the early 70's, searched the www for it but only find it by Bill Lowndes, quite honestly that was not the version I heard and would prefer to hear again. Best regards to all Steve |
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08 Dec 14 - 03:51 PM (#3683680) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: GUEST,Ted Just back from folk festival, Skegness. They had a version of this song on their piped music in the restaurant sung by a woman whose voice I did not recognise but it must be on a CD somewhere! |
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09 Dec 14 - 11:42 PM (#3684090) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: Jim Dixon THE SUN AND THE MOON is sung by Judy Dunlop on her album "My Arms Are a Cradle." She sings only the first 2 verses and 2 choruses. This is the only recording of this song I could find on Spotify--although there are tons of other songs with the same title. |
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09 Dec 14 - 11:59 PM (#3684092) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: michaelr I found these -- one seems familiar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8DQzBM-B_M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDPu8I1cIGc https://myspace.com/judydunlop/music/song/the-sun-and-the-moon-49119302-52833756 https://play.google.com/store/music/artist/Judy_Dunlop?id=Adykos4xphvke6fs76k3qbihy5y&hl=e |
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08 Dec 15 - 08:17 AM (#3756690) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: GUEST,Guest. Ray I've got a recording by Jacqui and Bridie if anyone wants it. |
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08 Dec 15 - 08:31 AM (#3756693) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: GUEST I've been singing it for thirty odd years. I got it from Mick Peat as The Ripley Wayfarers used to sing it. |
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09 Dec 15 - 07:22 AM (#3756993) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: The Doctor Judy Dunlop's recording is also on the double CD 'The Best of British Folk', on the Not Now label - www.notnowmusic.co.uk. |
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04 Feb 16 - 04:27 PM (#3770615) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: GUEST,Chris Bennett This is a brilliant song which should be sung more |
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05 Feb 16 - 01:36 AM (#3770672) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: GUEST,Musket Been in my set for thirty five years now. For a long time I thought Bill Lowndes was a distant relative, as my mum used to say she had a second cousin called Bill who wrote songs for the music hall. When I found he came from Cornwall, I realised I had been claiming it as a family song for twenty five years! My version, as Bill's original, is in normal English rather than cod dialect. The words don't need to be "ethnicised" in order to be a beautiful if tragic song. |
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02 Aug 16 - 07:03 PM (#3803278) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: MoorleyMan Just to refresh this thread - did anyone ever ascertain the definitive story of how and when this song came to be written by Bill Lowndes? (And folks keep telling me that the dialect hints at an origin in the north-east rather than Cornwall...) |
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21 Sep 16 - 02:29 PM (#3810732) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: GUEST,Dorcas Bill Lowndes definitely wrote this song and my father Donald Shepherd sung it on his album The Sun and the Moon. To this day it is one of my favourite songs. Especially the version sung by dad. Another one is Old Fid, also written by Bill. We sadly lost my father this week, he left behind his loving wife Deirdre, 3 children, 7 grandchildren and took all of our hearts with him. His music, however remains and I love it more than ever. |
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21 Sep 16 - 04:18 PM (#3810746) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: maeve Thank you, Dorcas. I am sorry for your great loss and that of your family, and glad you have the music for a measure of comfort. Gardenmaeve |
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21 May 19 - 03:01 AM (#3993205) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: The Sandman I SANG THIS SONG FOR MANY YEARS AT GIGS [ 1980S] , WRITTEN BY BILL LOWNDES |
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21 May 19 - 03:07 AM (#3993206) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: The Sandman And people who walk about never ask why, The rich 'uns can live and your poor daddy died. If they should ask me, I'd only reply, That the Sun and the Moon's tumbled down from the sky. I used to sing this as chorus |
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21 Jul 23 - 11:46 AM (#4177360) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: GUEST,PemburySinger This is how it seems to me. I've sung this song for many years. X:1 T:Sun and the Moon L:1/4 M:3/4 K:C C2E |GG2 |FGA |G2E |FEF |DGF |EFD |C2G |C2E |G2G |FGA | G2E |FEF |DGF |EFD |C2 "^Chorus"G |cBc |Adc |BcA |G2G |cBc |Adc |BcA |G2G |CCE |G2G |FGA |G2E |FEF |DGF |EFD |C2z ::::|] |
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25 Jul 23 - 12:40 PM (#4177635) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Sun and the Moon (Bill Lowndes) From: GUEST,jim bainbridge reminds me of a storyfrom the Elliott family of BIRTLEY- At dusk, two miners were arguing about whether they were looking up at the sun or the moon. They asked a passerby & he replied 'Divvent ask me, Aa divvent live aroond these parts' |