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24 Sep 00 - 10:47 AM (#304371) Subject: Slide Geetar From: bbelle In the Open D Tuning thread, a few of you talked about using a "slide." This is something else I haven't done geetar-wise. 1. Why would you use it? 2. On what kind of tunes? 3. What "model?" 4. Why wouldn't you use it? 5. What are the pitfalls? 6. What sounds "really great" using a slide? |
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24 Sep 00 - 02:28 PM (#304477) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: bbelle Sorry, moonjen, I don't have any answers for you, but maybe one of these astute mudcat geetar players will surface and add to your thread. If'n they're not in the hotdog or ice cream threads. jenny |
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24 Sep 00 - 06:57 PM (#304616) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Biskit@Home Hiya Jen, I don't know if'n yood call me asstoot er not,but...... a slide is used mostly in blues songs,those long sustained notes,...those are made by usin' a slide. using a slide with open tuning is really easy, although it does take some practice.the fret bars are your chords,if you're tuned to open D, your first fret bar would be an D sharp, followed by A,and so on, if you email me I can send you a link that will explain it better than I am able to. Now there are some folks, Dickie Betts, Eric Clapton ,Stevie Ray Vaughan, to name a few that can use standard tuning make bar chords an slide all at the same time,personally I think you may have to be born with a coupe o' extra fingers to accomplish this, or at least be a hell of a better guitar player than I'll ever be.but I hope this helped you and if you'd like to find out more about slide I've got a couple of really good links that I could email you, if I knew how they put links on threads I'd do that for ya but the concept some how evades me. peace-Biskit- |
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24 Sep 00 - 06:59 PM (#304617) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: bbelle Oh, Biskit, darlin' ... thank you. I'll PM you my email address. Geez, I was beginning to think no one was going to respond! |
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24 Sep 00 - 07:52 PM (#304653) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: John Hardly Hi moonjen,
Since you're not getting much response yet from those who really know, let me give you some stuff you can do, right now, on that beautiful new Larrivee, to illustrate to yourself some of the questions you asked. Tune your low E down to D. If you don't have a slide find some household tool that's smooth metal yet small enough to hold in your hand and straight enough to barre across at least 3 strings (I have a wrench in my hand that works fine). Got those alaska picks on? Put your capo on the 2nd fret(only 'cause that puts one of the chords you can use right where the neck meets the body--easy to find that way). Now with your right thumb playing only on the open base string hit three beats with your thumb then with three fingers sound the D,G,&B strings and as you do slide the bar up to the 7th fret--it will complete a D chord. Alternate your thumb and fingers to taste--you should find a pleasing recipe that tastes something like a blues lick. Next try sliding back two frets, always plucking the strings with your fingers before you slide to the next position. Try the long slide up to the G (that's the one I mentioned you'd find where the body meets the neck) you'll notice as you slide around on those three chords you can keep a steady rhythm going with your thumb still on that Low D. Just playing with it that way can get hypnotic. |
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24 Sep 00 - 08:34 PM (#304676) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: John Hardly Just occured to me that I assumed you know that the slide doesn't need to come all the way down to the fingerboard. That's why you can experiment with something that's not a slide--a smooth shot glass is perfect. John |
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24 Sep 00 - 10:29 PM (#304740) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Oversoul Much better tone is achieved if the strings are higher off the neck. Good guitars, or in good condition, (as action is concerned, for normal playing) make lousy slide instruments. You need really high action to get an expressive sound, and dynamics. Got to a pawn shop and get a wreck with a warped neck. Your good flatpicking or fingerstyle guitar is not set up for this "rough" style. Can I suggest that you learn good chordal phrasing and study scales first? Also, as long as I am being a kill-joy, a bowed instrument (violin, viola etc.) is far superior for this sound. |
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24 Sep 00 - 10:51 PM (#304756) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: WyoWoman What's the difference between dobro and slide guitar? ww |
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24 Sep 00 - 10:56 PM (#304765) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: bbelle WW ... having seen Max's dobro, the only thing I can figure out is that it is set up higher than a "regular" guitar. I'm sure there are other differences, but I don't know them. |
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24 Sep 00 - 11:29 PM (#304790) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Oversoul A Dobro or a National (both trade names) have a metal pan inside the guitar which vibrate from a "spider" which emulates off the bridge. They are not all meant for slide playing, but the cheaply made necks, on regular "Spanish" guitars (in the twenties and thirties) warped and almost created this technique! What a twist! Square neck models are to be played on your lap. Bottleneck is played on a "Spanish" necked model, if the action is high enough. |
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24 Sep 00 - 11:41 PM (#304796) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Mbo I'd be happy to provide some TLC for you ladies' feet! |
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25 Sep 00 - 12:10 AM (#304822) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: bbelle Matt ... wrong thread! |
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25 Sep 00 - 12:12 AM (#304824) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Mbo O God, I'm so sorry! I mean...um...yeah...I made my own slide of some brass tubing... **blush** |
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25 Sep 00 - 12:31 AM (#304836) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: bbelle That's okay, matt, it gave me a giggle. |
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25 Sep 00 - 09:54 AM (#304964) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Jim the Bart Dobro is usually played with the instrument held horizontally; slide guitar can be played either way. If you want to hear some truly incredible slide guitar playing check out Kelly Joe Phelps. He is other-worldly. A perfect combination of voice, instrument and spirit coalescing into a pure aural sensation. I cannot overstate how exceptional (not like anyone else) this guy is. There are a lot of traditional players but I'd like to mention some contemporary slide guitarists that are noteworthy (pun intended) Chris Whitley is a great writer and player, but he tends to get pretty electric. Sometimes I like the bite and sometimes it is much too abrasive. Keb Mo is wonderful. He plays da blooz without playing the cliches. It's hard to be both traditional and contemporary, but this guy does it. Bonnie Raitt. Her earlier stuff is even better than the newer stuff that made her a star. Her first release is her most acoustic one and her live one ("Road Tested", or something like that) displays all of her sides. She is one of the few people who can do justice to Richard Thompson songs. Ryland Cooder. What can you say? Check out his playing on his own recordings or on John Hyatt's "Bring the Family" or on the "Little Village" recording. Finally, in the field of country-soul-Texas-Blues, is LeRoy Parnell. I love this guy's stuff. His first release rocks; it is country played with incredible soul. His Nashville hit stuff is more MOR, but you can't hide that kind of talent, even under Nashville production values. There are lots more (Leo Kottke, Duane Allman, Norman Blake). It seems all slide guitarists have truly personal, unique "voices" on their instrument. The way they tune the guitar, the way they pick, the type of slide they use, the amplification system - so many elements to add to the uniqueness of the sound. |
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25 Sep 00 - 10:27 AM (#304987) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Giac Aw, c'mon, let's do mention some "traditional" slide players like Tampa Red (Yas, Yas, Yas), Robert Johnson, Bukka White, Son House, Sylvester Weaver, Blind Boy Fuller, Blind Willie Johnson (God Don't Never Change), Leadbelly (Packin' Trunk Blues).
They say the best slide was made from a bottle neck. Get bottle of cheap wine, then you drink the wine. Next you break the bottle off and grind down the broken part on some rocks. Maybe Muscat Wine.
You go, moonjen, I look forward to hearing you make it cry.
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25 Sep 00 - 10:45 AM (#304997) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Steve Latimer Giac, Now you're talking. Favourite contemporary players. Johnny Winter, both acoustic and electric. The late Joanne Kelly was a wonderful player too. For electric slide Muddy Waters wrote the book. |
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25 Sep 00 - 12:45 PM (#305087) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Biskit Jen I knew my fumblin' an' mumblin' would bring the real players out good luck darlin' can't wait to hear ya! peace,-Biskit- |
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25 Sep 00 - 01:34 PM (#305124) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: GUEST,Terapln If you'd like to learn some slide try the Stephan Grossman video (Stefan Grossman's Guitar Workshop) it's a good one. Bob Brozman also (Homespun Tapes). Slide doesn't have to be played on a resonator guitar but man it sure helps, regular acoustics just don't have the volume and sustain. Also take a look at Brad's Page of Steel and Planet Dobro to wet yer whistle for slide guitar. |
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25 Sep 00 - 08:29 PM (#305392) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: RocketMan I'll second Brad's Page of Steel for a good primer on slide guitar techniques, music, musicians, and instruments. Slide guitar refers to the technique of using a "slide" to change the pitch along the strings as opposed to (or in addition to) fretting. Slides are typically metal or glass. From there, its wide open as to choice of instruments, music, tunings, etc. Check out Brad's page and knock yourself out! RMan |
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25 Sep 00 - 08:50 PM (#305407) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: bbelle Steve Latimer and Giac ... I'm extending an open invitation for you to join me in imbibing my bottles of MD 20/20; Wild Irish Rose; Ripple; and Annie Green Springs. We'll drink up and decide which bottle neck makes the best slide. Got Aspirin? |
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25 Sep 00 - 09:25 PM (#305424) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Biskit Thanks for the links well or web sites anyway Terapln, they are really terrific! Say Jen Darlin pass a lil' o' that maddog over this way! -Biskit- |
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25 Sep 00 - 10:36 PM (#305480) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: MarkS Moonjen To listen to some real good fairly recent examples of slide or bottleneck in open D, find the Tom Rush cover of The Panama Limited by Bukka White. There it is all put together, pounding bass, sound effects, and slide phrasing on the top strings. MarkS |
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25 Sep 00 - 11:02 PM (#305500) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: bbelle Have I said this before? YOU GUYS ARE JUST AWESOME!!!!! Like the Open D thread, I'll be printing all the responses so I can reference all your suggestions. Now, as to the Mad Dog ... these grapes must have been stopped by six dozen sewer workers ..... I hope the Ripple is better, and there's Annie Green Springs winking at me ... |
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26 Sep 00 - 01:22 PM (#305823) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: GUEST Greg Martin of the Kentucky Headhunters does some nifty slide work and even has a video out demonstrating how he works his magic. He's typically categorized as "country" but his roots are in blues-based rock 'n' roll. www.gregmartin.com Ditto Warren Haynes of Gov't Mule. Beware, Gov't Mule rocks hard and heavy...not for the faint of heart or those who're not willing to sacrifice their aural faculties. Haynes did a stint with the Allman Brothers during one of their incarnations. Made loud to be played loud - but excellent slide work on selected songs...straightforward, hard-drivin' blues-rock. |
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26 Sep 00 - 02:08 PM (#305860) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler ...and for an example of a bone bottleneck on ring finger technique try Mississippi Fred McDowell on, for example, "I do not play no rock and roll" which I think has been reissued on CD. RtS |
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26 Sep 00 - 02:08 PM (#305861) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Steve Latimer Sorry I can't do a Blueclickything, but here's a pretty decent site that has slide tab for Blind Willie Johnson, Johnny Winter, Peter Green, Keb Mo, Rory Gallagher and some others. The tab isn't exactly accurate, but should help a lot. www.rostock.igd.fhg.de/~kugraw/slidingzone.html And it's Muscatel for me, thank you. |
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26 Sep 00 - 04:57 PM (#306017) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: bbelle Steve, thanks for the url, it's a great site! Be careful, though, someone will be starting a thread called "What's Your Favorite RotGut Wine." |
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26 Sep 00 - 05:05 PM (#306025) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Steve Latimer You're welcome. It is a neat site isn't it? I'm tempted to start a list of some of the awful Canadian Wines that we had before they figured out how to make proper stuff. Okay, one. Ruby Rouge. Yechh
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26 Sep 00 - 06:26 PM (#306079) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: GUEST Thunderbird...it has the added effect of being a strong hallucinogen - at no extra charge. |
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27 Sep 00 - 01:40 AM (#306354) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: WyoWoman Hmmm... Mudcat Muscat. Something new for the Mudcat store. "Playfully articulate, yet oddly nauseating. And a headache that is unparalleled..." Annie Green Springs, heh? Lord, does THAT bring back a memory or two ... At the end of the movie "Lawn Dogs" there was some absolutely wonderful slide guitar and I didn't write down the name of the musician. It was just wonderful and I think I'll probably have to rent the movie again so I can fast-forward and get the artist's name. I looked on several different websites for the credits to the movie and that wasn't included. Anyone else see it and know who that might be? ww
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27 Sep 00 - 03:25 AM (#306371) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au While you are mentioning traditional slide players, don't forget Maybelle Carter of the Carter Family. She used an ordinary wooden guitar with something over the bridge to raise the strings. She played it on her lap using a wide variety of tunings. The slide she used was the "Hawaian" type--essentially a a solid bar of metal with a slight flange to rest your fingers on. The tune in her "Little Darlin' Pal of Mine" was adopted by Woody Guthrie in his "This Land is Your Land". She gets a different effect from the black slide guitarists mention above. Murray |
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27 Sep 00 - 09:27 AM (#306461) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: GUEST,Casey@50 Moonjen, Check out a site called PLANET DOBRO. Lots of info... many slide players. Check out John Mooney... Bartholomew, Sounds like we have very similar tastes, as your reply is almost exactly how I would have responded. I saw KJP at Cafee Lena in the summer and was blown away...Better live than his recordings if you can imagine... CW is also one of my favorites. Do you play? Slide? I'm looking for someone to jam/play with. You don't happen to be in upstate NY do you? Casey |
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27 Sep 00 - 09:53 AM (#306487) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: Steve Latimer Let's not forget Taj Mahal. Wonderful tone and feel. Check out his "East Bay Women" from the CD Taj's Blues. |
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28 Sep 00 - 08:59 AM (#307257) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au Correction: I should have said "on the nut" instead of "on the bridge" Murray |
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28 Sep 00 - 09:23 AM (#307270) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: John Hardly Casey@50, The www.acousticguitar.com Guitar Talk Forum has a number of NYers who post. Might check them out. Lots of them are looking for jams/playing partners. John |
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28 Sep 00 - 04:54 PM (#307569) Subject: RE: Slide Geetar From: MikeJ One of my current favorite all around artists, and also a very fine slide player is Martin Simpson. Well worth checking out. MikeJ |