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12 Oct 00 - 01:55 AM (#316972) Subject: George Bush, next president From: DougR I just did this ridiculous thread to match the equally ridiculous thread titled, Al Gore, next president. Comment as you wish. If you dont' wish to, join me for a drink in the Mudcat Pub. I'll buy! |
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12 Oct 00 - 01:57 AM (#316973) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: JamesJim I will continue this in an equally ridiculous fashion. Drinks are on you? I'm on my way. Jim |
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12 Oct 00 - 01:58 AM (#316974) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Lepus Rex Heh-heh. But YOUR thread title is probably correct, damn you! :) ---Lepus Rex |
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12 Oct 00 - 02:06 AM (#316979) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: DougR So, Jim, Lepus Rex, what'll you have? DougR |
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12 Oct 00 - 02:21 AM (#316986) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: DougR Come on Mudcatters! The thread about Al Gore for President has 19 posts to only 4 for this one! Surely there are enough Bush detractors out there to at least MATCH the folks on the other thread who are, at this point, probably claiming victory! :>) DougR |
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12 Oct 00 - 02:21 AM (#316988) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Sorcha So we elect a Republican Congress with a Democratic Pres, or a Democratic Congress with a Republincan Pres. Is there really a difference? Make mine Guinness, because I don't really think it matters who is elected. Nor do I think it matters who I vote for. The end result will probably be the same. The Little People lose, and the Big People win. Sorry I am such a pessimist/cynic but I come from a long line of those. Max (or Clive Cussler/Admiral Sandecker) for President. |
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12 Oct 00 - 02:23 AM (#316991) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Lepus Rex Oh, yeah. I'll have root beer, Doug:) |
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12 Oct 00 - 02:33 AM (#317011) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: DougR Root beer for Lepus Rex! You got it! Sorcha, whatcha drinking? DougR |
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12 Oct 00 - 02:38 AM (#317012) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Sorcha Root Beer is probably best just now. Make it a double. |
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12 Oct 00 - 02:40 AM (#317016) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: DougR You got it, Sorcha, with lots of foam! DougR |
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12 Oct 00 - 02:43 AM (#317019) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Carlin Mind if I nose in for a Crown and 7? |
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12 Oct 00 - 03:34 AM (#317029) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Joe Offer Hey, everybody, the beer line is shorter over here! Forget about politics and belly up to the bar. Who cares who wins? -Joe- |
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12 Oct 00 - 07:35 AM (#317078) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Midchuck Bush will do less. Therefore, he will do less harm. That's as close as I can come to saying anything positive about either of them. Peter. |
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12 Oct 00 - 07:58 AM (#317081) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: kendall PEOPLE .. IT DOES MATTER!! Do you want 3 more Clarence Thomas' on the Supreme Court? You dont care? then by all means, vote for the Lightweight champion of Texas. Roe v Wade is out the window, and the NRA will run the defense dept. |
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12 Oct 00 - 08:29 AM (#317093) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Midchuck "...and the NRA will run the defense dept." YES! (Or maybe you suppose it's being well run now? Hmmm?) P. |
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12 Oct 00 - 08:36 AM (#317098) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: kendall It probably could stand improvement, the Secretary of defense is a republican.. |
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12 Oct 00 - 08:56 AM (#317110) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: rabbitrunning If Bush is president does that mean I don't have to show up for National Guard duty either? Make mine ginger ale, please. Ginger beer makes my eyeballs hurt... |
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12 Oct 00 - 09:04 AM (#317115) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Mrrzy Hot whiskkey, please. If you need the recipe I'll post it. I'll be drinking a lot of it if this thread title turns out to be true! |
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12 Oct 00 - 09:15 AM (#317123) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Troll What we really need is a choice that says "NONE OF THE ABOVE"! troll Oh yeah. Diet Coke, DougR |
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12 Oct 00 - 11:52 AM (#317277) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: DougR There you go again, Kendall! You're holding back again! Drinks are on the house (which means somebody might have to help Kendall up the stairs). :) DougR |
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12 Oct 00 - 11:59 AM (#317289) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: mousethief I find it amusing that the competing threads so closely resemble the candidates they are named after. The Gore thread seems to be focused on issues, whereas the Bush thread is a bunch of silliness and folderol.
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12 Oct 00 - 12:06 PM (#317299) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: GUEST,Bob Schwarer Thanks, Kendall. I will be sure to vote....for Bush. Bob S. |
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12 Oct 00 - 12:41 PM (#317327) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Jed at Work Make mine a guinness, since the cyber world is the only one in which I can drink alcohol (tri-glyceride issue, booze is poison to me, sadly), I might even have two, since you're buying! ;-) It seems to me that the US has taken this election more seriously then ones in the recent past. We've heard more issues then most can understand (the devil is ALWAYS in the details when it comes to issues, and therefore our discussions about them can't really go beyond philosophy and sound bites). Anyone who cares to notice will have seen and heard plenty from each major candidate, and if they wanted to look further, from all candidates. For me, stated philosophies, recent record, political alliances, expressed views, presentation skills, body language and what they say when speaking extemporaneously (yes even in the guarded situations of staged debates) gives me plenty of information to make a decision. We have two well qualified, intelligent, well supported choices as our major candidates for this job. All the hateful talk and cynicism by us and other voters not withstanding. I will cast my vote, and I will hope for a victory for my candidate - but I am sure that either man will make an honorable president, and either will do his honest best to do the job well. I am much philosphically aligned with one then other, but I will honor the position no matter who gets elected. |
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12 Oct 00 - 01:16 PM (#317348) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: LR Mole Well, as Sinclair Lewis said (unless it was Upton Sinclair), no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.I'll drag myself to the polls, though, feeling more deserving of pity than scorn. Beyond anger is only a sort of hollowness, and that's the U.S. resonance, I think. |
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12 Oct 00 - 01:17 PM (#317350) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: LR Mole Well, as Sinclair Lewis said (unless it was Upton Sinclair), no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.I'll drag myself to the polls, though, feeling more deserving of pity than scorn. Beyond anger is only a sort of hollowness, and that's the U.S. resonance, I think. Just water, thanks. |
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12 Oct 00 - 01:46 PM (#317364) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Midchuck Jed said: "We have two well qualified, intelligent, well supported choices as our major candidates for this job.... I am sure that either man will make an honorable president..." I assume that's intended as a joke, but I miss the point. Peter. |
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12 Oct 00 - 03:30 PM (#317421) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: kendall You do that Bob, and if that airhead wins, I will be here, forever to remind you! |
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12 Oct 00 - 03:45 PM (#317438) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: catspaw49 |
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12 Oct 00 - 06:21 PM (#317559) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: DougR Alex: The Gore thread is devoted to "issues?" Wasn't aware Bush bashing fell into that category! Midchuck: what's not to understand? I don't think Jed is joking and I take him to mean that they are both good men and the country is not going down the drain if either man is elected. I agree with him, I just think Bush will do a better job of governing. Someone in this thread parised Gore's credentials in foreign affairs based on the fact that he has been in Washington so long. That's precisely what bothers me about him. DougR |
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12 Oct 00 - 06:37 PM (#317571) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: katlaughing I am moving to Canada |
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12 Oct 00 - 06:38 PM (#317572) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Jim the Bart Wait a minute! Wasn't George Bush our last president? Before the sax playing guy? Didn't we already throw his smirky ass out? O-o-o-o-h, that was his daddy. . . I'll drink whatever you're buying (as long as it's whiskey) and then we can argue about which of the donkeys and pink heffalumps would make a better caretaker of el Casa Blanca (Of all the gin joints in all the world, these two mopes have to pick this one). Ain't politics grand? |
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12 Oct 00 - 06:40 PM (#317576) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Jim the Bart Why is there no "BS" in front of the thread about AL Gore? Just wondering. |
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12 Oct 00 - 06:51 PM (#317588) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: kendall Its silly to think bush would be better at foriegn affairs. He is governor of "Bubba Land" Gore has been a heartbeat away from being president. How can you compare the two offices? |
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12 Oct 00 - 07:08 PM (#317604) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Troll Mole, it was H.L.Mencken who said that. Kendall, I really can't recall any major foreign policy triumphs during the Clinton Years. Unless maybe you mean the bombing of that pharmaceuticals plant and the massive effort he mounted in Rwanda to prevent genocide there. Now we have had a US warship attacked, apparently by terrorists.The world awaits to see what Clinton will do. My guess is that he will call Al Gore to Washington to sit at his side in the Situation Room to show that he (Gore) has a good grasp of foreign policy, while the Bush team will get the same briefings as the press. In other words it doesn't matter that americans are dead, let's play this for every ounce of political gain that we can. troll |
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12 Oct 00 - 07:58 PM (#317645) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Lepus Rex Just one thing, Troll: Terrorists don't attack military targets, they attack civilian targets. As despicable as bombing an 'innocent' Navy ship may be, it's no worse than the US shooting down Iraqi military airplanes, and certainly much better than the US bombing civilian targets in Belgrade. Like it or not, once 'terrorists' attack a military target, they're no longer 'terrorists', but an army. We're all using the same techniques, after all. ---Lepus Rex |
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12 Oct 00 - 08:01 PM (#317648) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: DougR Wow, troll, I hadn't thought about Clinton spiriting Gore back to lead the investigation, but I wouldn't be surprised. Clinton desperately wants to be remembered for something other than a stain on a young intern's dress, though, so on the other hand he might not want Al's help. I guess we'll see. Kendall! The Texas governor will enter the White House with exactly the same credentials on foreign policy that former Governor Clinton did. Bush does have access to a former president with excellent credentials on foreign policy though, and they probably visit about it over cups of coffee or something. I'd think Bush probably will enter the oval office with a great deal more information in that regard than the Arkansas governor did. Don't know why BS wasn't included in the Gore for Prez thread. I added it to this thread because that's exactly what it was intended to be. Who was that ordering a whiskey? Oh, Bart! You got it, just name your brand. This bar is well equipped. DougR |
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12 Oct 00 - 08:23 PM (#317670) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: kendall OK, your point is well taken. The old man, with the help of 14 other countries ALMOST licked Saadam Hussien. Have you noticed that there is only a handful of people in this "discussion?" I'm tired of it, and, I know I can not change your minds, and you sure as hell wont change mine. Enough already! |
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12 Oct 00 - 08:45 PM (#317683) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: bbc I'll go for the drink, Doug, but I do hope it's a victory cup! It's nice that you're serving now. :) love you, bbc |
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12 Oct 00 - 09:06 PM (#317695) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Skeptic Oh come on. I'll bet Gore and Bush will be equally adept at ignoring, insulting and misunderstanding other coutries, friend and for alike. My trouble with Bush is that he comes across as if he derserves to be president because he's from the right family, has money and friends with money, and gosh darn it, his sort are just supposed to run things, else why would he have money, power and position? Granted, Gore isn't much better. There seeems to be a little feel of noblise oblige there. And I'd prefer it be his VP that's one heartbeat away the Oval Office. I find Gore's domestic agenda to be less opressive than Bush's. Granted Gore is into feel good political correctness. I'd prefer that over what seesm to be trend toward a a quasi-calvanism. At least the politically correct crowd pays lip service to diversity. I suspect that deep in his heart, Dubya knows Pat Robertson's right. Regards John |
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12 Oct 00 - 09:28 PM (#317713) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: GUEST,mousethief (at the library) Doug: I looked through the Gore thread. There were 2 Bush-bashing posts, and two that strongly called him to task for misstatements or past behaviors. And maybe five in which the people said they hoped he lost, and another five stating a preference for the Democrat over the Republican party. Out of 48. On the other hand there were 2 Clinton bashing posts (with Gore being found "guilty by association" either implicitly or explicitly), and 1 Gore-bashing post. The rest were about specific issues, or whether one should vote at all, or about the flawedness of the system. So yeah, the group seemed to be more heavily leaning toward Gore than toward Bush. But a Bush-bashing thread? Nah, I don't see it that way.
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12 Oct 00 - 09:32 PM (#317717) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Mbo Is it me, or has Mudcat turned into a political forum? What happened to all the FUN BS? |
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12 Oct 00 - 09:45 PM (#317734) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Troll M.Beau, this IS fun.It's also important that we all, no matter what our political persuasion,discuss whats going on. Otherwise we must rely on the pre-digested crap that the parties put forth as information. Where else would I learn that Kendall-a staunch Democrat- doesn't like Gore? troll |
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12 Oct 00 - 09:50 PM (#317737) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: catspaw49 Yeah Doug...I'll take your drink and a lot more if Bush gets it. To quote from "Animal House," "I suggest you start drinking heavily." Spaw |
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12 Oct 00 - 10:21 PM (#317767) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: DougR bbc, you sweet doll you, you can have anything you want! Sure good to see that good old bbc again on threads! Smaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! Ok, Spaw! What's your pleasure? How about a Lone Star beer? Might as well get use to it. It's probably gonna become the national beer after the first of the year (giggle) Mousethief: you ACTUALLY did that? Wow! I'm impressed. Are you retired? I am, so I have lots of time, but I'd never do that. You're a good man! DougR |
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12 Oct 00 - 10:26 PM (#317772) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Mbo But what about the socio-political impact of Red Hugh O'Neill's gallowglasses-with-mattocks at the battle of the Yellow Ford? |
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12 Oct 00 - 10:44 PM (#317788) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: DougR MBO! Why are you wasting your time in a thread like this? DougR |
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12 Oct 00 - 11:14 PM (#317810) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: kendall His time, or ours Doug? |
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12 Oct 00 - 11:56 PM (#317845) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: JamesJim Doug, can you tell me how many I've had already? I know I've been drinking way too much lately. I seem to alternate between crying in my beer and celebrating something or other. I was feeling euphoric last night, but I am not very thrilled about what happened today. We lost some great Americans and many others were injured. My 401K went south. War is brewing in the middle east and a lot of innocent people are being killed over politics and religion. The price of crude oil just hit an all time high...and when I woke up this morning, Bill Clinton was still President (could this be what is meant by cause and effect)? Please give me something a little stronger this time -- Maker's on the rocks will do! Jim |
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13 Oct 00 - 08:28 AM (#317973) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: kendall Break out the Canadian Club Rick, I'm on my way... |
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13 Oct 00 - 09:11 AM (#317996) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: JedMarum lol@kendall - I gotta laugh. I know it's timeto put this thread to bed, and I knew I shouldn't habe eeven looked in, but I did, and wound up posting one final message. |
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13 Oct 00 - 09:53 AM (#318013) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Troll Lepus Rex... Inboth Iraq and Belgrade a de facto state of belligerence if not war exists or existed. In Iraq there is a clearly defined "no fly zone" of which the Iraqis are well aware. It is in place, at least partially, to prevent genocide by Saddam on the Kurds in the north and the Sunnis around Basra in the south. As far as Blegrade goes, what happened there was tragic but certainly not deliberate policy. And again, it was done for a clearly defined reason with warning beforehand. I do not say that I agree with the reasons in either case. I am simply ststing the facts as I see them. The attack on the USS Cole was made by an unknown enemy, with no warning, in a situation where no declared state of belligerence exists. There are, believe it or not, conventions which govern whether or not a state of war exists and, to date, none of those conventions have been met. The fact that the Cole is a warship is not germane. If it was indeed Osama bin Laden, let him issue a formal declaration of war and then it will be a military action. Until then, the attack on the USS Cole was, and will ever be, a terrorist act. troll
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13 Oct 00 - 10:07 AM (#318019) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Allan C. All I really want is for there to be a presidential election which does not amount to the choice of the lesser of evils. |
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13 Oct 00 - 10:53 AM (#318044) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Troll Why settle for the LESSER of two evils. VOTE CTHUHLU! troll |
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13 Oct 00 - 01:17 PM (#318153) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Frankham The state of Texas, under the leadership of Governor George W. Bush, is ranked: 50th in spending for teachers' salaries; 49th in spending on the environment; 48th in per capita funding for public health; 47th in delivery of social services; 42nd in child support collections; and 41st in per capita spending on public education. BUT ... Texas is: 5th in percentage of population living in poverty; 1st in air and water pollution; 1st in percentage of poor working parents without insurance; 1st in percentage of children without health insurance; and 1st in executions (avg. 1 every 2 weeks for Bush's 5 years). Just think of what he could do for/to the country if he were president!! Just thought you might like to know. Frank |
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13 Oct 00 - 03:09 PM (#318221) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: GUEST,Lena Oh God.A sweet cider for me.Isn't the boogie man from my childood days,mr Bush,dead or so?! |
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13 Oct 00 - 03:22 PM (#318239) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: GUEST,Parthenon It is a shame to say that if either presidential candidate put up for dog-catcher in a normal town, he would be unlikely to be elected. Can't the most powerful country on earth do better than this, it scares the daylights out of me |
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13 Oct 00 - 04:24 PM (#318284) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Jed at Work Frankham - I realize you don't mean to ridicule Texas or Texans with your post discrediting our Governor, but comments such as "Bubbaland" (not yours) and your the misrepresentation of selected facts in your quote - highly insult my intelligence, and my home. I took the time to research and respond to those purposely biased comments and have listed them below. First of all, it is important to state that most of these statistics are rankings in spending - as if spending was the only criteria for success in a given area. Bush and many other Repubicans take strong exception to that notion. Saying, for example that Bush is spending less on state funded social programs is very likely crediting him for achieving a Texas voter mandate - as opposed to an pointing to an example of some shortcoming in his success. Having said that, it is still worth going over the points of attack one at atime.
50th in spending for teachers' salaries
48th in per capita funding for public health
5th in percentage of population living in poverty
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13 Oct 00 - 04:55 PM (#318314) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: GUEST,guinnesschik(cookieless,again) Hear, hear, Jed. I find the quote "Bubbaland" a generalization and insensitive. I have NO "Bubba's" in my family (who have been Texans since the state's beginnings) and only even KNOW two. And thank you for the well researched response. I'll vote Republican, because it's as close to Libertarian (on the issues that matter to me) as one's going to find. Ask me why, and I MIGHT even tell you. ;-)g'chik |
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14 Oct 00 - 12:08 AM (#318556) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: JamesJim Way to go, Jed! I hate "spinning" and "spinners" from whereever it may come. It's obvious that the great State of Texas has made progressive strides under "W." For those who think trashing him and the State is a way to win, I suggest looking back at the first Clinton campaign. Arkansas? Where did they rank in education, etc., etc. during that time? Seems I remember the same stupid "Bubba" comments then. It didn't work then (and shouldn't have) and it won't work now. Jim
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14 Oct 00 - 05:52 PM (#318942) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: DougR Jed! will you for heaven's sake quit confusing folks like Frank with facts????!!! Jeeze! He believed so strongly in what he was spinning, I note that he posted it in another thread too. I think we got your message, Frank. Let's see now, a sweet Cider for Lena, Jim wants a Makers and Kendall is hitchhiking to Ricks for Canadain Club. We got Canadian Club, Kendall! Why you wanna run off to Caniday, Kendall? |
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14 Oct 00 - 06:22 PM (#318953) Subject: Ralph Nader From: GUEST,TedD Ralph Nader is far and away the best candidate for those of us who are not wealthy or multinational corporations. The obvious reason he is not in this series of "debates" is that he would totally shred those two clowns, and spoil the nice script. |
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14 Oct 00 - 06:24 PM (#318954) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: GUEST,TedD Ralph Nader is far and away the best candidate for those of us who are not wealthy or multinational corporations. The obvious reason he is not in this series of "debates" is that he would totally shred those two clowns, and spoil the nice script. |
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14 Oct 00 - 06:32 PM (#318958) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: Bill D Ralph Nader has some good positions and causes...**Ralph Nader** would be a terrible 'leader'...he has as much sad baggage and skeletons in his closet as the others....he has his place--stirring up issues...even Ross Perot had 'some' experience as a manager....Nader would be lost in the total experience of the presidency....if you want to vote for him as a protest, be my guest....but.... |
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14 Oct 00 - 06:37 PM (#318961) Subject: RE: BS: George Bush, next president From: RocketMan Uncle Phil gets my vote! Why isn't Bill Monroe's birthday a holiday??? http://www.bluegrasstelegraph.com/philibuster_campaign.htm RMan |