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Lyr Add: Home lads Home/Homeward

15 Oct 00 - 05:28 PM (#319392)
Subject: Home lads Home
From: McGrath of Harlow

This is a correction, not an addition - the DT version ofWHERE THERE'S REST FOR HORSE AND MAN or HOME LADS HOME has the lines:

For Dick fell at Givenchy and Prince beside the gun
On that red road to glory a mile or two from Munn

But it should be:

For Dick fell at Givenchy and Prince beside the guns
On that red road to glory a mile or two from Mons

^^

The retreat from Mons being one of first major battles involving the British in 1914. So it is a very evocative place-name.

23 Sep 01 - 07:32 PM (#557318)
Subject: Lyr Add: Homeward^^
From: Jeri

Someone posted somewhere that the words were written by Cicely Fox Smith. I doubted this, but then the same assertion came up in uk.music.folk, so I e-mailed Danny McLeod, who may be the leading authority on C.F. Smith.

He told me the name of the poem was 'Homeward' and it had been written by C.F.S.
It appears in her book of poetry 'Fighting Men' published in 1916, and also was included in her book 'Songs and Chanties 1914-1916' published in 1919 by Elkin Mathews (London) which was a compilation of her works, 'Songs in Sail' (1914), 'Sailor Town' (1914), The Naval Crown'(1915), and 'Fighting Men' (1916).

Danny found and purchased the original manuscript (in her own handwriting) of many of her earlier poems written prior to 1920. This poem is among them.
Danny said he'd talked to Sarah Morgan and that she'd discovered it in the magazine 'This England' (1984) and it had been entitled 'Going Home Together'. The writer had been a soldier, who credited the poem to "anonymous." The first line had been changed, possibly by that soldieer, to be about India, and the horses names were changed, possibly to ones the soldier was familiar with. The second verse is typically used as a chorus in the more well known version of the song.

Per Danny McLeod, here is the poem as it was written. (And many, MANY thanks to Danny for sharing this wealth of information!)

HOMEWARD
Words: C. Fox Smith, Tune: Sarah Morgan

Behind a trench in Flanders, the sun was dropping low,
With tramp and creak and jingle I heard the gun teams go;
And some thing seemed to 'mind me, a-dreaming as I lay,
Of my old Hampshire village at the quiet end of day.

Home, lad, home, all among the corn and clover!
Home, lad, home when the time for work is over!
Oh, there's rest for horse and man when the longest day is done,
And they go home together at setting of the sun!

Brown thatch and gardens blooming with lily and with rose,
And the cool shining river so pleasant where he flows,
Wide fields of oats and barley, and elderflower like foam,
And the sky gold with sunset, and the horses going home!

Old Captain, Prince and Blossom, I see them all so plain,
With tasselled ear-caps nodding along the leafy lane,
There's a bird somewhere calling, and the swallows flying low,
And the lads sitting sideways, and singing as they go.

Well, gone is many a lad now, and many a horse gone too,
Of all the lads and horses in those old fields I new;
There's Dick that died at Cuinchy, and Prince beside the guns,
On the red road of glory, a mile or two from Mons!

Dead lads and shadowy horses --- I see them just the same,
I see them and I know them, and name them each by name,
Going down to shining waters when all the West's aglow,
And the lads sitting sideways and singing as they go.

Home, lad, home . . . with the sunlight on their faces !
Home, lad, home . . . to the quiet happy places!
There's rest for horse and man when the hardest fight is done,
And they go home together at setting of the sun!

^^

24 Sep 01 - 12:17 PM (#557764)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home
From: Keith A of Hertford

Thanks. I never liked the "India" line as it seemed out of place.
Singing as I go,
Keith.

24 Sep 01 - 12:48 PM (#557783)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home
From: Jeri

You know, I never noticed it, but it started out in India then all of a sudden was about France. BTW, how does one pronounce "Cuinchy?" Is it "Quenshy?"

24 Sep 01 - 12:55 PM (#557793)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home
From: Mrrzy

If it's French, the CU-before-i-or-e is pronounced K (the U is just there so the C isn't an S), so it'd be KINSHY where the IN is the nasal whiny IN that can't be spelled in English...

24 Sep 01 - 01:24 PM (#557807)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home
From: Steve in Idaho

Wow - and where would I find the tune? I can't read music but can approximate by looking at the little dots. Maybe a midi? Peace - Steve

24 Sep 01 - 02:16 PM (#557836)
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Home lads Home
From: Jeri

MIDI for Home Lads Home / Homeward Please note that although I learned the tune from the singing of Cockersdale, I may have done strange things to it.

(I also did send this to Alan for the Mudcat MIDI page once, but I seem to remember that some electronic monster ate it.)

MMario, if you want to grab it, please do. I'm getting lazy - it's easier to just stick tunes on my personal page.

24 Sep 01 - 02:19 PM (#557841)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home
From: Keith A of Hertford

Funny how Mons got written out. There was a persistent legend of an angel appearing to retreating British troops there in 1914. Mons was recaptured on the last day of the war. In truth the fighting was never more than "a mile or two from Mons" but there was a famous skirmish during the retreat during which hundreds of horses and men were killed which makes that line of the song most poignant.
A clearing of mist suddenly revealed to the attacking Germans some British cavalry and a battery of horse artillery (L Battery RHA) with the men in bivouacs and the horses picketed. The 12 German guns present poured fire in to the dream target causing unimaginable carnage. L Battery was rapidly reduced from 4 guns to one, but this gun kept on firing for an hour against the 12 until no one lived to serve it. Their efforts turned the tide against the attackers.^^
With a tramp and creak and jingle,
Keith.

24 Sep 01 - 02:27 PM (#557849)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home
From: Steve in Idaho

Thanks - powerful tune - Peace - Steve

24 Sep 01 - 04:28 PM (#557898)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home
From: Jeri

Mrrzy, I'm not sure. I think a c needs one of those little dingleberry things to be an s. (A cedille?) My French-English dictionary has a bunch of "cu" words in which the 'u' is pronounced. For example, cuire (to cook) is pronounced küir. Like "cuisine." Oh well, first time I pronounce it wrong around someone who knows better, I'll find out.

Keith, thanks for the history. I'd never heard any of that before, and it really adds to what is already a powerful song/poem.

25 Sep 01 - 06:59 AM (#558113)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home
From: Mrs.Duck

cu in French is pronounced like kw and ch like sh so Cuinchy would be pronounced kwinshy

30 Sep 01 - 04:35 PM (#562043)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home
From: Keith A of Hertford

Freddy who runs the bar at Whittlebury and who had an eventful career as a gunner, has informed me that they still have a battered 13 pounder gun from L Battery's last engagement on display at the Imperial War Museum , London. I saw it years ago and tried phoning them to find out, but they only have an expensive recorded info. service.

20 Aug 07 - 12:34 AM (#2129465)
Subject: Re: Home lads Home
From: GUEST,mb in canada

Does anyone have any chords or tabs for this song?
I haven't been able to find any.
Thanks.

02 May 14 - 08:23 PM (#3623687)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home/Homeward
From: GUEST

Heard it on Radio 3 In tune yesterday (2 May 2014 at 1805 BST) sung by Belshazzar's Feast. Had to stop the car and find a handkerchief - very moving.

20 Apr 15 - 11:12 AM (#3703160)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home/Homeward
From: GUEST,Organisers

Sarah Morgan sadly died in September 2013; she had expected to perform 'Home, Lads, Home' at the commemorative concert for the Celebrating Cicely event on 21 June 2014 (see cicelyfoxsmith.org.uk.). As a tribute to both CFS and Sarah, Moira Craig (Craig Morgan Robson) led it as the concert finale. Standing ovation and not a dry eye. Sarah's explanation of the 'folk process' on the CFS poem 'Homeward', ref Danny McLeod above, is also given in the Celebrating Cicely booklet. The double CD, recording all the CFS pieces performed in the concert is about to be released, see website soon.

12 Jan 16 - 05:18 PM (#3765042)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home/Homeward
From: Joe Offer

Here's the Cockersdale recording:

Mick Ryan:

Belshazzar's Feast:

Riggy Rackin:

Threelegsoman (with lyrics and chords):

09 Jul 19 - 02:26 PM (#4000036)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home/Homeward
From: r.padgett

v1 Overseas in Flanders (**or Behind a trench in Flanders)~~~

With tramp of feet and jingle, I heard the gun teams:

v2 Brown thatch and gardens blooming~~~~~
The Meon flowing past them, so quiet as it goes (** and the cool shining river so pleasant where he? or she? flows

v3 Oh Captain Boxer traveller I see them also plain
With tassled earflaps nodding all along the leafy lane (**ear~caps)

v4 All those lads and horses ~~(** Off all those lads and horse~~
For Dick fell at Givenchy and Prince beside the gun~~~(** There's Dick that died at Cuinchy and Prince beside the gun
On that long red road to glory a mile or two from Mons

v5 Dead Lads and shadowy horses , I see them all so plain, I see them and I know them and call them each by name, riding down through Swanmore when all the West's a glow, and the lads all sitting sideway's~~~

** Dead lads and shadowy horses ~I see them just the same, I see them and I know them and name them each by name, Going down to shining waters when all the West's aglow and the lads all sitting sideways ~~~

Final chorus
And it's home lads home with the sunset on their faces
Home lads home to those quiet happy places etc ~~~

** from the Complete poetry of Cicely Fox Smith
other amendments as sung by Kings Pond Shanty men

Ray

09 Jul 19 - 02:38 PM (#4000039)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home/Homeward
From: r.padgett

Swanmore ~ a rural village in the Meon Valley in Hampshire

River Meon flows through the Meon Valley

Battle of Givenchy ~ 18th ~ 22nd December 1914

10 Jul 19 - 03:05 AM (#4000113)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home/Homeward
From: r.padgett

Overseas in Flanders the sun was dropping low With tramp of feet and jingle, I heard the gun-teams go But something seemed to set me, a dreaming as I lay Of my old Hampshire village at the quiet end of day

Chorus 1 And it's home, lads home, all among the corn and clover Home lads home, when the working day is over There'll be rest for horse and man when the longest day is done And we'll all go home together at the setting of the sun

Brown thatch and gardens blooming, with lily and with rose The Meon flowing past them, so quiet as it goes White fields of oats and barley and the elderflower like foam And the sky all gold at sunset and the horses going home

Oh Captain, Boxer, Traveler, I see them all so plain With tasseled earflaps nodding all along the leafy lane Somewhere a bird is calling and the swallow flying low And the lads all sitting sideways and singing as they go

Well gone is many a lad now and many a horse gone too , All those lads and horses from those old fields I knew For Dick fell at Givenchy and Prince beside the gun On that long red road to glory a mile or two from Mons
Dead lads and shadowy horses, I see them all so plain I see them and I know them and I call them each by name Riding down through Swanmore when all the West’s a-glow And the lads all sitting sideways and singing as they go

Final Chorus And it's home, lads, home, with the sunset on their faces Home lads, home to those quiet happy places There’ll be rest for horse and man when the longest day is done And we'll all go home together at the setting of the sun

10 Jul 19 - 12:44 PM (#4000159)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home/Homeward
From: GUEST

Thanks for that - one of my favourite songs - I love hearing it sung.

20 Sep 22 - 05:38 AM (#4153106)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Home lads Home/Homeward
From: FreddyHeadey

Here are some more links

facsimile Fighting Me 1916
https://archive.org/details/fightingme00smituoft/page/48/mode/1up

text from Fighting Me 1916
https://archive.org/stream/fightingme00smituoft/fightingme00smituoft_djvu.txt > p 48

Belshazzar's Feast
https://youtu.be/_YpzsZpwcUA

Paul Sartin 2020
https://m.facebook.com/story/graphql_permalink/?graphql_id=UzpfSTE2NDc2OTYzMzU0ODA2ODo0MDQ1NzM2NDUyMTE4MDE0

pronunciation: Cuinchy ? kwee-an-she
https://forvo.com/word/cuinchy/