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Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale

08 Nov 00 - 06:48 PM (#336891)
Subject: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,ZannaW

I am desperate to find the sheet music to a lesser known Irish folk song called, The Brown and the Yellow Ale. Does anyone out there know where I can find it???? It's very obscu


08 Nov 00 - 07:21 PM (#336903)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,radriano

Hi, it's in Digitrad. Click on the title below.

The Brown and the Yellow Ale


08 Nov 00 - 08:19 PM (#336930)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: MartinRyan

... I KNOW there was a thread about this - but I'm damned if I can find it!

Regards


08 Nov 00 - 08:24 PM (#336934)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: MartinRyan

Here you go - but no sheet music. Click here

Regards


08 Nov 00 - 08:37 PM (#336938)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: MMario

This is on the "missing tunes" list. If anyone DOES find the sheet music and or a midi PLEASE let me know

MMario-whoisalwayswillingtonagaboutpostingtunetotheDT


08 Nov 00 - 09:29 PM (#336956)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Barbara

Well MMario, I know the tune, have it on Voice Squad, and can transcribe it if needed.
Blessings,
Barbara


08 Nov 00 - 09:29 PM (#336958)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Susan A-R

I was just listening to this one the other day, thinking about how downriht strane the plot line is. Any thoughts on it??


09 Nov 00 - 12:39 PM (#337169)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Malcolm Douglas

There is another version in the DT, apparantly translated from the Irish by James Joyce:  The Brown and Yellow Earl.  Debby McClatchy's explanation of the song as a droit de seigneur story is attached.  Of course, there is considerable doubt that that custom was ever observed in Ireland (or England and Scotland, for that matter) but it is a part of folklore at any rate.  Whether or not it has anything to do with the song is another matter!  Really, we need the Irish text to get any further.

Malcolm


09 Nov 00 - 02:50 PM (#337272)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan

Apart from the link I gave above, there was another thread where we tried to tease out what this one was about. If I can find it, it may make sense to pick up the story from there. I have at least one Gaelic text somewhere.

Regards


09 Nov 00 - 02:57 PM (#337278)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan

While Joyce certainly used the song, I don't think he translated it. Was it James Stephens?

Can't find that other thread....maybe I'm imagining it.

Regards


09 Nov 00 - 06:22 PM (#337432)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,ZannaW

I checked out the "James Joyce Songbook" and it includes a song called "The Yellow Ale" which is a similar version. No sheet music, just lyrics. Very interesting. Sounds like a mystery to me!

(Hi Debbie, fancy meeting you here!!) :)


09 Nov 00 - 06:33 PM (#337441)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Mary in Kentucky

I just posted this message in the Obscure Tunes thread!

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Hi Debbie,

A very quick search on Altavista turned up this < a href="http://www.partitura.be/DATA/groups/collections.htm">link [http://www.partitura.be/DATA/groups/collections.htm] It appears to be an online store in Belgium (maybe). Your song is listed about 5/6 of the way down the page under Songs of Dublin. It says it has the melody line and chords...and of course a price.

Good luck! Incidentally, that's one of the songs in the DT which doesn't have a midi with it. So if you get the sheet music would you please pass it on to someone here so we can make a midi to go with it?

Mary


09 Nov 00 - 06:37 PM (#337443)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Mary in Kentucky

oops...try this link!


09 Nov 00 - 08:16 PM (#337495)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Malcolm Douglas

Well, I've found a melody for the song (staff notation), here:  The Brown and Yellow Ale  (You'll need to scroll down a bit).

It appears to be from a play about Joyce by Maxwell Steer:  The Watcher In The Rain

He gives no source for the tune, however.

Malcolm


09 Nov 00 - 09:12 PM (#337533)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: MMario

thanks malcolm, I've sent a midi to alan and NWC file to dickg.


10 Nov 00 - 08:25 AM (#337793)
Subject: Tune req. "Fiddling ladies"
From: GUEST,Brigie

Have any of you ever heard of this one. It is brilliant and I would love to get hold of the notation. Any help?


10 Nov 00 - 09:03 AM (#337807)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Mary in Kentucky

Hi Brigie,

I'm at work now and don't have time to create a thread for you...what you need to do is create a new thread with that name in the title.

Good luck.

Mary


10 Nov 00 - 06:04 PM (#338278)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Anglo

Malcolm, I seem to recall that in the version you refer to above, the "earl" is the result of Debbie's misunderstanding of the pronunciation of "ale" - I think she learned the song aurally on a trip to Ireland. Her version was published in Come For To Sing magazine in Chicago, & I might well have done the transcription, as I did their music copying at the time.

It's published in Dominic Behan's book "Ireland Sings." And indeed the translation from the Gaelic is attributed to James Stephens.

I've also heard it sung by Frank Harte, who debunked the "feudal lord claiming his feudal right" theory, and attributed the story to the prevalence in Ireland particularly of older men marrying much younger women.


10 Nov 00 - 09:12 PM (#338396)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Malcolm Douglas

Thankyou, Anglo: that makes sense.  As a rule, these fanciful explanations by people who know little history but who have highly developed imaginations result in a whole bunch of innocents believing that they have "the truth" of a song; particularly if they want to believe that folksongs are usually pagan pre-christian survivals, etc.  It's an interesting song, of course, but probably rather less complicated than a lot of people might suppose...

Malcolm


10 Nov 00 - 10:52 PM (#338439)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Anglo

Yes, Malcolm, that's all true. Of course, it doesn't prove that a number of folk songs are _not_ pagan pre-christian survivals, any more than tracing the style of morris dancing to origins at Charles II's summer residence in Ascot-under-Wychwood proves that it's _not_ a fertility ritual.

(Sorry, couldn't resist...)


11 Nov 00 - 12:44 AM (#338465)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Malcolm Douglas

Absolutely!


11 Nov 00 - 08:15 AM (#338582)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST

This was on Prairie Home Companion
click for PHC link
If the link doesn't work go to phc.mpr.org and type song title into search box.


11 Nov 00 - 08:26 AM (#338587)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Walter Corey

Sorry, my cookie had disappeared and half of the message did too. the link to PHC should be click . If that doesn't work go to phc.mpr.org and type title into search box. I hope this works this time.


11 Nov 00 - 08:42 AM (#338591)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Mary in Kentucky

How 'bout this link to the Prairie Home Companion. click.


11 Nov 00 - 08:59 AM (#338595)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Walter Corey

Why do my links disappear when I hit the submit button? I thought the first time it had something to do with the cookie, but it disappeared from my second message to. I followed the same format for sending links that I have used successfully in the past. Lets see if this whole message goes through.


11 Nov 00 - 09:03 AM (#338599)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Mary in Kentucky

Walter, when I looked at the view/source, it appeared that you left off the last quotation mark. I know they are not necessary, but Joe now thinks we should put them in because it is standard HTML. In your case, I can only assume that it won't work if you put leading quotes but leave off the end quotes. I'm surprised mine worked because I usually make mistakes this early in the morning (and I'm at work and should be working...but the cat's away..haha).


11 Nov 00 - 09:17 AM (#338606)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Walter Corey

Just to make sure
blankety-blank,clickety-click
Thanks


11 Nov 00 - 12:21 PM (#338674)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,Malcolm Douglas

Ah yes...failing to close can have various unforeseen effects; in this case that message and all subsequent ones are now invisible in Netscape, which is why I'm posting through IE and will appear as a guest!  With luck, a kind elf will fix it for us.  Thankyou for the link, though; it confirms that the unattributed tune I found earlier is the right one.

Malcolm
Have fixed the links- A kind elf


13 Nov 00 - 07:14 PM (#340088)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,Zanna

Wow, you guys are amazing. Ask and you shall receive, as they say!

Thanks!!!


14 Oct 05 - 11:14 AM (#1583068)
Subject: Lyr Req: The Brown and Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,carmelfair

Can someone please supply me with the lyrics of The Brown and Yellow Ale? (The version sung by the Voice Squad?) I'd be much obliged. Thanks.


14 Oct 05 - 11:38 AM (#1583077)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Brown and Yellow Ale
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)

Have a look in the DT: The Brown And The Yellow Ale (which seems to be the Voice Squad's version), also the threads above.

Mick


06 Sep 06 - 09:09 PM (#1828835)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Artful Codger

The tune file links are broken in the DigiTrad versions, it isn't listed in the MIDI files (at least under Brown and Yellow Ale or the other names I tried) nor is it at Alan's site any longer (under a name I recognized.) Most other links in this and associated threads are stale - the joys of the Internet. Found samples by Karan Casey and the Voice Squad, but both were too fragmentary. Could someone please repost the MIDI, or provide a good link.

Also, in another thread Martin Ryan said: The origin seems to be a Donegal Gaelic song called variously "Cumha mo londubh buí", "Cuacha lón de buí" and similar. Is this the "Cuach Mo Lon Dubh Buí" which Altan performs on Blue Idol (also found on Best of Altan: The Songs)? The tune they use is different, and much more lively - possibly their own creation. If this is the song, the lyrics can be found at Celtic Lyrics Corner.


07 Sep 06 - 02:34 AM (#1828985)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: MartinRyan

That's it alright. Several of the Gaelic versions use lively tunes ("Thugamar féin an sahmradh linn" is another example.)

Regards


16 May 10 - 05:50 PM (#2908197)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Bert

Here's a start


14 Mar 11 - 04:59 PM (#3113729)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Noreen

Luke Kelly singing The Brown and the Yellow Ale on youtube.com


08 Apr 11 - 12:06 PM (#3131370)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: MAG

I've looked through all these threads, and can't find out what "she sent two men to timber" means.

If it's obvious and I don't see it, I apologize; if it's some idiom, please share.


08 Apr 11 - 12:16 PM (#3131376)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: MartinRyan

She sent two men for timber and she never even cried

She's sending them for wood to make a cheap coffin ( a board of alder and a board of holly...).

Regards


08 Apr 11 - 12:20 PM (#3131380)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: MAG

Thanks, Martin -- makes sense. She did not cry when he died; not didn't cry when whatever happened, happened.

The most helpful statement has been that about coming back to view one's own funeral.


08 Apr 11 - 02:43 PM (#3131461)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,Johnmc

Surprised no one has taken the opportunity to rave about how great the Voice Squad were.
I wish they would reunite if it were posssible. Listening to their harmonies literally created goosebumps.


08 Apr 11 - 05:54 PM (#3131562)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: MAG

They are truly wonderful -- not enough of that deep male harmony singing around


09 Apr 11 - 05:00 AM (#3131789)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: MartinRyan

While I love the Voice Squad version, I must say I really enjoyed the Luke Kelly set to which Noreen provided the link earlier in the thread - I'd never heard it before. To me, it's a nice example of how solo unaccompanied singing allows for better storytelling...

Regards


09 Apr 11 - 02:24 PM (#3132040)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,Doug Saum

W. B. Yeats did a loose translation called "Going the Road." I did a version of it on my THE ROSE @ THE CROSSWAY CD. lyric below:
GOING THE ROAD A67
                                                                words: William Butler Yeats
                                                                music: Doug Saum 4/14/97
1

I was going the road one day
(O the brown and the yellow beer),               
And I met with a man that was no right man
(O my dear, o my dear, o my dear).

2
'Give me your wife,' said he
(O the brown and the yellow beer),
'Till the sun goes down and an hour of the clock'
(O my dear, etc.)

3
'Good-bye, good-bye, my husband
(O the brown and the yellow beer),
For a year and a day by the clock of the sun'
(O my dear, etc).

4
'I know of a girl' said I
(O the brown and the yellow beer),
'Who can shorten the time by the clock and the sun'
(O my dear, etc.).

5
'And one's as good as another
(O the brown and the yellow beer),
So get you away with your no right man'
(O my dear, etc.).


12 Sep 17 - 05:47 AM (#3876675)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,Pat Higgins

I wonder if this is the source of Joyce's reference to the Bronze by Gold descriptions of the barmaids in the Ormond Hotel, in Ulysses ( Sirens epsiode )

Pat


12 Sep 17 - 11:58 AM (#3876728)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: Nigel Parsons

Rather late to this discussion, but from context I would query the earlier answer:
From: MartinRyan - PM
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 12:16 PM

She sent two men for timber and she never even cried

She's sending them for wood to make a cheap coffin ( a board of alder and a board of holly...).

Regards


I would have read it as "She's already buried two husbands/lovers and never even cried"

Cheers
Nigel


12 Sep 17 - 01:43 PM (#3876737)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Brown and the Yellow Ale
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan

Plausible, certainly- but you'd still have to account for the shroud!

Offhand, I don't recall how much of this is in the Irish language version. Must check sometime.

Regards